I-Ching

<|343373|> @EmberCrest, Actually... 'Dao' is not a religion and I-Ching originates from something that does matter/play some role in LP/3301..
<EmberCrest> holy shit dude you're literally making stuff up now..
<EmberCrest> you clearly have no understanding of the conversation we've been having, I'm sorry lol.
<|343373|> "I-Ching" it self is bullshit though
<EmberCrest> dude..I was giving an example of some connection that you can make without actually making significant progress on the LP..
<EmberCrest> Daoism is very much a religious tradition.
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<|343373|> The Dao isnt a religion, just ebcause some take it as one doesnt mean it is one. also "I-Ching" = 64 hexagrams.
<EmberCrest> Dude. Daoism. Not the Dao.
<iIIustrious> lmao
<EmberCrest> @iIIustrious: ye right?
<|343373|> I agree, daoism is sort of a religion. The logic of "dao" does happen alot in 3301 and LP though
<iIIustrious> good to see solvers hasn't changed at all
<EmberCrest> I never change
<EmberCrest> |343373|: you should go up and read the convo m8
<|343373|> They way ppl understand the 64 hexagrams is wrong though... those are the 1-8 trigrams * 1-8 trigrams. which is VERY useful in LP
<EmberCrest> Hey I got a test for you what's 7/7
<dude12312414> 77
<CrAzYPiLoT> It's-a Mario!
<|343373|> also not the 64 though, but the lacking part that are not the 64. (which is the 3rd number base in gematria primus, mathematically)
<iIIustrious> how are you not bored of your own bullshit yet
<CrAzYPiLoT> Lol
<iIIustrious> I've been gone like 3 weeks
<|343373|> Because its not bullshit O.o
<dude12312414> Douglas Adams made a mistake
<iIIustrious> if that was the case you would have proved it 2 months ago
<CrAzYPiLoT> I wouldn't bet on that
<dude12312414> the answer to life, universe and everything is actually 77, not 42
<dude12312414> !wa 77 - 42
<TaiiwoBot> 77-42
<TaiiwoBot> 35
<TaiiwoBot> thirty-five
<TaiiwoBot>  | - |  |  =  |
<TaiiwoBot> 77 |  | 42 |  | 35
<CrAzYPiLoT> What is this function
<EmberCrest> <|343373|> Because its not bullshit O.o
<EmberCrest> >O.o
<EmberCrest> all credibility remaining has been annihilated.
<CrAzYPiLoT> >>O.o
<dude12312414> >>>0.o
<|343373|> You think I have the patience to try give you bullshit? I have barely enough to try give hints, which im very sick of already because I already gave all you guys need to solve but you kept looking at it with the wrong approach. :/
<EmberCrest> you're the one looking at the situation wrong.
<EmberCrest> you've got zero proof.
<EmberCrest> your explanations don't make sense
<CrAzYPiLoT> Why don't you just solve it yourself, if you know the answer, mate?
<brotherBox> |343373|: the thing is, whatever you are trying to explain, there is probably a much easier wy
<EmberCrest> and they're so obscure that they seem improbable.
<CrAzYPiLoT> We won't have hard feelings
<dude12312414> try a zero-knowledge proof.
<|343373|> The thing I showed at page 56 should be enough to understand how to use the magic square for the 1-14.jpg
<dude12312414> write down your full solution, publish the hash
<|343373|> 0-14*
<dude12312414> then if one day someone else solves it, they can check you were right
<EmberCrest> 56.jpg?
<CrAzYPiLoT> If it's enough for you, use the magic square
<EmberCrest> that didn't make any sense.
<CrAzYPiLoT> Don't try to explain it to us
<CrAzYPiLoT> But I highly doubt even you, yourself, know what you are talking about
<iIIustrious> every single cicada solution is incredibly simplistically explained and elegant when you complete it
<iIIustrious> 2 months of useless bullshit you yourself don't understand is nothing like that
<brotherBox> the elegance part is really important
<iIIustrious> so of course it's not worth trying, we'll get 15 more of you this year
<brotherBox> it almost immediately clicks
<iIIustrious> you're not unique or interesting
<dude12312414> i'd say the Openpuff one is not very elegant
<iIIustrious> you're just more stubborn about no one caring than most
<brotherBox> dude12312414: the squares could be derived differently though
<iIIustrious> how dude12312414?
<EmberCrest> yeah it's like Brainbox
<iIIustrious> it's their name in a single piece of software
<iIIustrious> you could explain the answer to a five year old
<EmberCrest> illustrious has strong opinions about OpenPuff
<brotherBox> he is also a faggot
<EmberCrest> |343373|: you literally decided JUST TODAY to mention the I-Ching by the way.
<dude12312414> I just don't think it was a very "interesting" part
<EmberCrest> Coincidentally, the moment one of us started talking about it.
<|343373|> Page 56 at base30, incredibly simplistically, and elegantly follows the pattern of /7, 167, and 761
<EmberCrest> the pattern of /7?! what the hell does that mean lol??
<dude12312414> because it doesn't require as much cleverness as just luck of trying the right thing
<iIIustrious> I have strong opinions about a year of wasted effort
<iIIustrious> all because people were too proud to try a piece of software on a different os
<EmberCrest> what software's that?
<EmberCrest> OpenPuff?
<iIIustrious> openpuff, the reason most people rejected it is because it was seen as windows software
<dude12312414> i don't really care about the windows bit
<dude12312414> it just apparently came out of nowhere
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<blck_crvpt> by the wya
<EmberCrest> oh jesus here comes another one
<|343373|> "EmberCrest: you literally decided JUST TODAY to mention the I-Ching by the way.", Im not talking about the Iching what about the origin of iching btw. and I hinted to it few times already btw
<iIIustrious> that's more stupid bullshit |343373|. Don't pretend to be so retarded that you can't tell that every other one can have the solution explained in one line, while your one line is just useless wankery
<EmberCrest> show me.
<|343373|> Iching but* about the origin of iching
<EmberCrest> dude Laotzi wasn't a real dude he's just some figure  to save the history of the work from being "it was composed over lots of time."
<brotherBox> |343373|: you have to acknowledge one thing though, there are solutions to entire stretches of the puzzles in a single wiki article, yet there are pastebins with more words dedicated to your explanation
<brotherBox> there is something severely wrong, simply by looking at the statistics here
<|343373|> EmberCrest Im not talking about Laotzi =.=
<EmberCrest> Laotzi was the writer of the I-Ching and DDJ you invoke his person when you talk about any of those texts.
<EmberCrest> The mythical writer, that is.
<|343373|> The origin of iching is the 8 trigrams
<dude12312414> well to be fair, Wiles's proof of Fermat's Last Theorem was apparently a huge thing
<EmberCrest> yeah but that's a PROOF.
<dude12312414> like, bigger than my penis
<brotherBox> dude12312414: fermats last theorem is really hard though
<EmberCrest> Versus incoherent ramblings about the I-Ching, dividing by 7, etc.
<EmberCrest> The 8 trigrams are symbols for In and Ang.
<EmberCrest> Nothing originates from them. They're symbols.
<|343373|> They are the way numbers behave in a numeral system
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<|343373|> 8 trigrams = base10
<cluosh> speaking of proofs, when do you guys think will P/NP be resolved?
<brotherBox> shortly before the LP
<EmberCrest> no it's not, Christ..
<gs3449> whats p/np
<EmberCrest> brotherBox: good one.
<gs3449> no im serious
<gs3449> I dont know
<EmberCrest> I d idn't address you.
<EmberCrest> 343373|
<EmberCrest> oops.
<gs3449> oh srry
<EmberCrest> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem
<TaiiwoBot> ^ P versus NP problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ^
<dude12312414> cluosh: this is like, the most lucrative proof you could find the answer to lol
<dude12312414> (assuming it is P=NP)
<brotherBox> gs3449: the assertion that the category of problems that are hard to solve are exactly the problems for which solutions can be easily checked
<dude12312414> well not exactly
<gs3449> ok
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<brotherBox> gs3449: its notoriously difficult to prove that and whatever the result is, it has huge ramifications
<brotherBox> also i guess riemann or navier-stokes are more lucrative
<dude12312414> well the thing is, these will get you a million dollars, and fame, and that's it
<dude12312414> P=NP would possibly allow you to break any existing crypto
<gs3449> true Im aware of the millenial problems
<brotherBox> dude12312414: and probably any job in the private sector you want
<dude12312414> yeah :P
<gs3449> Lol u guys know about perelman?
<brotherBox> i am perelman
<brotherBox> nah j/k
<gs3449> ok lol
<brotherBox> yeah he didnt want the money and the fame and the cars and the bitches
<gs3449> yee
<dude12312414> a true hero
<gs3449> And lives in his mothers apartment
<gs3449> but still cool
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<|343373|> 1 | 2 |3  |4 |5 | 6 |7 |8
<|343373|> ☰ | ☱ |☲ |☳ |☴ |☵ |☶ |☷
<|343373|> 1, 8 being flipped
<|343373|> 2, 5 being flipped
<|343373|> 3, 6 being flipped
<|343373|> 4, 7 being flipped
<|343373|> AND
<|343373|> 1, 8 being opposites
<|343373|> 2, 7 being opposites
<|343373|> 3, 6 being opposites
<|343373|> 4, 5 being opposites
<dude12312414> wat
<|343373|> Thats excatly how Base10 works.
<iIIustrious> >8 numbers
<iIIustrious> >base 10
<EmberCrest> congratulation, you fucking discovered how a number system works.
<iIIustrious> that's why no one takes you seriously
<|343373|> 9<>0
<|343373|> 9 is in the center
<|343373|> its the mod
<atheron> yeah, that's not base 10
<|343373|> that is base 10
<EmberCrest> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bix44C1EzY
<TaiiwoBot> ^ Congratulations!!!! - YouTube ^
<|343373|> 0, 1-8 and 9
<atheron> it's just 0-9
<Lurker69> He was talking to me about hexagrams and yin yang two weeks ago, similar stuff thna today. http://pastebin.com/Zc2L9CzL
<atheron> that's it
<TaiiwoBot> ^ Bagua / Dao - Pastebin.com ^
<harvester> ^ Archived file(s): Zc2L9CzL ^
<|343373|> 0=9 in how base10 behaves
<atheron> no
<EmberCrest> base-10 is zero-based.
<atheron> what you are descripbing is base9
<dude12312414> it's 10 based (not sure what you meant)
<EmberCrest> zero-based as in, we start with zero :P
<EmberCrest> it's the first digit in each erm
<EmberCrest> "column"
<EmberCrest> if you will.
<EmberCrest> this hexagram system has no zero.
<dude12312414> oh
<EmberCrest> idk i'm trying to settle this retarded debate.
<dude12312414> though I guess you can pick any symbol you like
<dude12312414> and call it zero
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<EmberCrest> Lurker69: I'll give him that much, then.
<EmberCrest> Consistency.
<EmberCrest> But that's it. All this talk of Chinese mysticism is counter-productive.
<EmberCrest> Although we have little  else to focus on.
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<brotherBox> i guarantee you, should this ever check out, i will put shoe on head on camera and there is a much simpler explanation
<|343373|> we describe "nothing" as 0, thats why they used no symbol there because "nothing"(and because origin of 1-8 when complete(9))
<brotherBox> both of which i stand by
<EmberCrest> dude that's just
<EmberCrest> sigh that's just wrong.
<EmberCrest> ok ill be back.
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<dude12312414> > ( --O --O)
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<dude12312414> oilll bee beeeck
<|343373|> I not talking about mysticism.
<|343373|> Im*
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<Lurker69> also those "2, 5 being flipped" and "2, 7 being opposites" makes sense in patterns in base10 http://pastebin.com/uUFU5nsq (just disregard 9 that is sometomes at beginnig sometimes at the end)
<TaiiwoBot> ^ patterns in base 10 - Pastebin.com ^
<harvester> ^ Archived file(s): uUFU5nsq ^
<Lurker69> pattern of /2 = pattern of *5     and    pattern of /2 backwards is pattern of /7
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<dude12312414> Dr. Perfa
<dude12312414> only nighttime
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<sysgen> Hello everyone
<gs3449> hello
<dude12312414> hello
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<Lurker69> But trigrams 1, 8 (☰, ☷) and 3, 6 (☲, ☵) arent exactly flipped, they are opposite though. Which it true also for pattrerns /1 isnt same as *8 but opposite (*1 is same as /1 and *8 same as /8)
<|343373|> ^ correct, in a way... yes. :)
<sysgen> What is going on?