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den 25 december 2016
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MeteorD: Meri Kurisumasu
Standard.degenerate: Im considering getting into fighting games, do you have any reccomendations or tips? Like what game to start off on, what mentality to have, etc
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MeteorD: Didn't notice the message until now
MeteorD: basically
MeteorD: DON't start with a fighting game that people tell you to start with
MeteorD: like jsut find one that you think looks appealing
MeteorD: it can be the flashiness, the character designs, just anything
MeteorD: because fighting games take a dumbass amount of dedication and you're just going to get bored if you start with ST because of muh fundamental
MeteorD: practice a standard BnB, it will take you a long way. People will tell you execution doesn't matter, but it does in many fighting games, and practicing combos gives you a routine and makes it much easier to stick around
MeteorD: like even if you want to play some dead shit like Hokuto no Ken which nobody plays, you can still start with that and get into the rest of the genre just fine
MeteorD: get into training mode, fuck around in it, learn how to do special moves any time you want to do them, learn a bnb, and then check out some other titles that draw your interest
MeteorD: If I hadn't stopped trying with ST and instead got +R, I would probably never have gotten into fighting games
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Standard.degenerate: I see, thank you!
Standard.degenerate: Ill torrent gg and bb, and dick around in fightcade a bit more to see if i like certain ones more
MeteorD: mega:///#F!hp0nTDxZ!l3InDiTZh72OXBlm4f6cZg
MeteorD: here's the console version of BBCF
MeteorD: well
MeteorD: I mean
MeteorD: it's BBCF
MeteorD: but for PC
MeteorD: it doesn't have all of the new characters though
MeteorD: also it's too big to download in one go so you'll have to let the tab stay open for pretty long to continue the download
MeteorD: it has no multiplayer or anything though obviously lol
Standard.degenerate: Of course
MeteorD: but it has all the balance stuff that's up-to-date
Standard.degenerate: Is continuum shift extend the newest one?
MeteorD: Nah
MeteorD: Calamity Trigger > Continuum Shift Extend > Chrono Phantasma Extend > Central Fiction
MeteorD: CPE is the latest one on PC, CF is the actual latest version
MeteorD: but CF is only available on console right now
MeteorD: but what I linked you is an arcade rip
Standard.degenerate: ooooo
MeteorD: which lets you play on PC since the cabinets are basically PCs anyway
MeteorD: GG is up-to-date on PC though
Standard.degenerate: Yeah im downloading revelator rn
MeteorD: Revelator and Skullgirls are probably the games with the best tutorials
MeteorD: you don't need online for that so the Revelator torrent should let you access the tutorials and stuff
MeteorD: Also alot of the challenge mode combos in Revelator are actually good
MeteorD: since they're based off the combos used in SIGN mostly
MeteorD: and there were very few changes between SIGN and Revelator
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Standard.degenerate: What would you say either games defining trait would be?
MeteorD: Revelator and CF?
Standard.degenerate: Yeah
MeteorD: Revelator is VERY heavy on oki. As in, when you get a knockdown, you gain a huge advantage. There is a mechanic called YRC which lets you cancel the startup of your move for 25% meter, so you can punish opponents for anticipating your moves and such. Also throws are frame 1 iirc, so basically you get put into a vortex of ambiguous setups. The combo damage not that high however, so you do have multiple instances of trying to get out of it, since you won't die in even like 3 combos unless you get counterhit with some really specific move
MeteorD: CF is very pressure-heavy. This means, if you block an attack in neutral, then you're going to have to take loads more attack against your block, with many mixups thrown in there. Combo damage is also alot higher, and combos are longer in general. The game is VERY matchup heavy, since despite the balance overall being pretty good, there are specific matchups for many characters which can honestly be 8-2s
MeteorD: GG has both chains and links, but it's much more link-heavy than BB. It also has a smaller buffer for inputs
MeteorD: BB has alot of chains and very few links, but instead there are several characters who rely in very specific delays to get their combos continuing, and since combos in BB are so long, there are a multitude of places you can fuck up
MeteorD: The difficulty for each game depends entirely on what you find most difficult
MeteorD: In GG, the difficult things are links, oki, and defending yourself from oki
MeteorD: in BB, the difficult things are long combos, defending yourself from pressure, and matchup knowledge
MeteorD: Most of the characters in GG pretty much "obey" the system mechanics, whereas in BB they can get whacky as fuck
MeteorD: like if Arakune hits you with a jab and gets the confirm properly, then he can get a thing called "full curse", which puts him into a mode where he can pretty much 0-death you instantly with a bunch of unblockable mixups
MeteorD: That doesn't mean GG doesn't get oppressive
MeteorD: Ramlethal in the corner is one of the scariest things you can have to block, since her setplay so immensely heavy that you generally have to know them in beforehand to know what the fuck you're dealing with
Standard.degenerate: Thank you, ill read over this a bunch
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Standard.degenerate: Is there any character i should avoid playing? Like hugo tier or something
Standard.degenerate: On gg
Standard.degenerate: Or is it like pm where everyone is viable
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MeteorD: In GG you can play anyone, but I don't recommend Slayer and Potemkin because you will suffer alot
MeteorD: people like to call the game perfectly balanced but some characters are outclassed pretty hard
MeteorD: Slayer and Potemkin are the worst cases, but May is also pretty lackluster
MeteorD: rest of the cast is pretty good though
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Standard.degenerate: Potemkin seemed weird to me
Standard.degenerate: Is bedman a meme?
MeteorD: Bedman is solid, he's just unconventional
MeteorD: since his movement and everything is different from everyone else
MeteorD: you can win alot of matches around low level with him just because nobody knows how he works
Standard.degenerate: I think i liked chipp, raven, and jack-o from the practice but its hard to tell without playing a real person
MeteorD: Jack-O and Raven are easy to learn, Chipp less so since he's pretty much a glass cannon, but in GG you're going to have to put alot of work into your character regardless
MeteorD: so it really doesn't matter too much which characters are "hard"
MeteorD: except Zato
MeteorD: don't use Zato on keyboard
Standard.degenerate: No one should use keyboard on fightans anyways
Standard.degenerate: Chipp is fast and i like that
MeteorD: Try learning some combos and stuff with Chipp then, GG has probably some of the most informative videos out there
MeteorD: with the whole Guilty Gear Crash Course series on Youtube
MeteorD: and the in-game tutorial
Standard.degenerate: Noice
Standard.degenerate: The in game tutorial was pretty useful
MeteorD: yeah, it's more like a minigame
MeteorD: the Challenge Mode is the most praiseworthy thing
MeteorD: since it's actually genuinely useful for scenarios that happen in actual matches
MeteorD: you can elevate from like, mid-level play to higher with it
Standard.degenerate: damn
Standard.degenerate: Is there a definitive unga bunga character?
MeteorD: Leo
MeteorD: then Sol
MeteorD: Leo is the character who unga originated from
Standard.degenerate: Sol seems more basic ryu type deal rather than gorilla mashing urien tier
MeteorD: maybe at face value
MeteorD: he has so much shit that's plus on block and can basically press buttons
Standard.degenerate: Is there a definitive tier list somewhere?
Standard.degenerate: I know eventhubs is shit and its the only result from looking it up
MeteorD: uhh there is but I don't remember where I can find it
MeteorD: but I know the gist of it
MeteorD: Strongest: Millia, Ky, Johhny
MeteorD: Weak: Dizzy, May
MeteorD: Bad: Slayer, Potemkin, Ramlethal
MeteorD: everyone else is strong
MeteorD: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/9544-xrd-tier-discussion/
MeteorD: here
MeteorD: Scroll down to the Ver. 1.02
MeteorD: o shit this isn't updated
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Standard.degenerate: I see
Standard.degenerate: Let me ask fgg
Standard.degenerate: https://mobile.twitter.com/satsuasdf/status/795249866687610880/photo/1
Standard.degenerate: Oh shit its a matchup chart too
MeteorD: lol Jack-O players wish the matchup was 4.5-5.5
Standard.degenerate: Against who
MeteorD: Axl
MeteorD: A Jack-O running into an Axl in bracket is pretty much accepted as an instant loss
MeteorD: she has no answers to him at all
MeteorD: and he can just shut down her towers and shit along with not letting her get in
MeteorD: she's lucky nobody plays Axl because he's weird
MeteorD: Axl has historically had odd matchups anyway
MeteorD: like back when Justice was dominating, he was the only real "counter"
MeteorD: so if you wanted to not lose you either played Justice or you played Axl hoping everyone else played Justice
Standard.degenerate: Who do you main/play?
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MeteorD: I main Slayer
MeteorD: but I haven't played in a long time
MeteorD: since I mainly play BB and then UNIEL on the side
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Standard.degenerate: Could you make a pastebin of what you said whenever? I accidentally exited out of chat and it doesnt go as far back
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