BacacayToday at 7:13 PM
it's like a 2d elite or privateer basically, if you've ever played those
fun to fuck around in
unless you guys will enjoy letting outlands go full UOR
I would suggest ya'll start trying to get into the process
personally I wouldn't play anymore, I barely play now as it is
blitzkrieg_team_usaToday at 7:26 PM
damn I wonder what that means
you playing herod bacacay?
BacacayToday at 7:27 PM
I'm horde on skeram
DovestranglerToday at 7:29 PM
I played a fair bit of UO:R until about mid-2002 and I enjoyed it, but the good parts about UO:R was having more viable PvP templates. Sticky explo pots is terrible and hamstring is better version of stun because it's not a total death sentence.
blitzkrieg_team_usaToday at 7:30 PM
is it NA?
If I can off screen with my bow and a precasted ebolt thats all that matters
DovestranglerToday at 7:30 PM
Arguably the server already has some UO:R features with the lp dexxers and roach mages. Going full UO:R would just be bad, insta-hit and heal through poison are good mechanics
BacacayToday at 7:32 PM
that's something ya'll gotta tell owen and his buttbuddy clx. apparently "everyone" wants full UOR.
I don't have the energy to argue with the private-pvp council of UORers anymore
DovestranglerToday at 7:33 PM
They probably want to market it as both T2A and UO:R, I guess historically UO:R servers had more population.
but really Outlands is its own thing now in terms of PvP as well
the spell interrupt stuff and 100% cast chance on FS etc
but having seasonal PvP chars is just too much work
Sounds terrible grinding a new char/echo because welp it's fall now so the rules change
Are you in that PvP-feedback group Baca?
BacacayToday at 7:37 PM
yeah, been wrestling with the mechanics on this shard since the beta
I dunno how much longer I can last in there with the echo
LinkToday at 7:37 PM
As much as I love Hybrid - Outlands is it’s own beast and the ruleset I think is awesome. It would be a mistake if they did.
ChupaToday at 7:37 PM
UOR... :/
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:37 PM
I personally prefer uor
but
LinkToday at 7:37 PM
Right
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:37 PM
link is correct
outlands is in another league as all other past servers
LinkToday at 7:37 PM
I would stop playing for sure.
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:38 PM
it's hard to really say what a positive change would be to a population already used to one style of play
LinkToday at 7:38 PM
They are listening to the wrong group.
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:38 PM
they always have though
the fact that they have a private discord channel for player input
in itself is the wrong approach
BacacayToday at 7:39 PM
if you want in to the private-pvp, PM owen and say I sent you. Should get some of you in, if you want in on the discussion.
need some new blood in there
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:39 PM
I was in it when I was in boyz
I left like a lot of people
because there is no point in it
LinkToday at 7:39 PM
We should consult with Grey about getting us in and we can all weigh in on it.
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:40 PM
it's absent-minded theorycrafting of the same back-ended personal-gain style recommendations
you guys can have at it
I have no desire for it
BacacayToday at 7:40 PM
better to have it be less of an echochamber
so they don't actually push shit changes
cuz they will, eventually
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:40 PM
which is the current reason for outlands being how it is now
BacacayToday at 7:40 PM
it'll take 6 months
but there will be a shit patch
LinkToday at 7:40 PM
UOR pvp is retarded easy and I’d go back to winning alchy duels. I changed a good portion of my hotkeys specifically for the Outlands ruleset.
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:41 PM
I agree, while I dislike t2a, outlands is not really t2a anymore imo
aside from instahit, with the changes to poisoning it's not like heal through poison is even as effective to be compared to t2a
and hamstring in situational field pvp is the same as stun just shorter duration
also, I like the fact that technically as a dexxer you have a shot here... many servers leave dexxers out of the equation and purely focus on mage v mage pvp
LinkToday at 7:43 PM
For sure
DovestranglerToday at 7:43 PM
Yeah, I mean in T2A tank mages were king
LP dexxers are arguably stronger here (in a 1v1 settting)
The good thing about UOR was template variety beyond tank mages, but we got that already - but instahit and heal through poison are good. Sticky Explo pots are bad.
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:44 PM
but also put take into account, this is all one persons view on their past experience and their personal likes in contrast to a hundreds of others. To have a small council of pvpers to weigh in on changes that would impact massive amounts of your players in my opinion is the wrong approach
GreyToday at 7:44 PM
Why would anyone want poison to block heal?  It isn’t hard to kill people as it is
DovestranglerToday at 7:44 PM
They should just abandon having T2A or UOR rulesets and just go further down a unique road
GreyToday at 7:44 PM
The last thing I want is a poison on top of the rail :joy:
And everyone uses auto cure anyway
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:45 PM
but that also makes uor more complicated
but also makes nox almost essential OR perfect syncing
GreyToday at 7:45 PM
I’ve always found UOR to be super simplistic
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:45 PM
so there's the scale of balance always
GreyToday at 7:46 PM
But I’m also sort of indifferent.  I think group pvp won’t change much
And I’ll get to kill flube at UOR dueling
Then he can’t just complain about pvp dynamics
I just want more players.  A lot of the t2a players did quit
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:49 PM
yeah but making a small change doesn't mean they're all going to come back to play
GreyToday at 7:49 PM
No one is coming back to play :joy:
Not because of that anyway
Whatever gives them enough hope to keep the server up
blitzkrieg_team_usaToday at 7:49 PM
I don't think theres enough influence for t2a players to thrive in. They already fucked it up with the big custom map. No one knew what they were doing
GreyToday at 7:50 PM
I prefer the old map tbh
DovestranglerToday at 7:50 PM
I like the new map, mostly just because it's different.
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:51 PM
I'm used to the new map so I can go either way, the only issue with the new map imo is LOS issues
DovestranglerToday at 7:51 PM
also Britannia is way too big for a shard with this player count
LinkToday at 7:51 PM
Grey we would kill it in UOR
You have no idea lol
blitzkrieg_team_usaToday at 7:51 PM
Yea its like small custom maps are fun but when you die in a dungeon and have to run the entire distance of britannia to res, it gets a little boring and dull when you turn the wrong corner and get lost
LinkToday at 7:51 PM
These kids wouldn’t be able to cure if their life depended on it
[c2w]PsikickToday at 7:52 PM
I would never 1v1 in uor though
1v1 in uor is even worse as mages if a mages pots
ChupaToday at 7:52 PM
^^^^^
[c2w]PsikickToday at 7:52 PM
t2a I can kill a potter
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:54 PM
who all gonna be on for 9p ccc?
blitzkrieg_team_usaToday at 7:54 PM
is it 8p?
[c2w]PsikickToday at 7:54 PM
9pm est
[c2w]SуяυρzToday at 7:54 PM
yea est
8est atm
9p est is ccc
[c2w]PsikickToday at 7:57 PM
lol this server UOR with mana regen like it is now?
they said they don't want to up it b/c it will break pvm
...
I thought there was a pretty good custom mechanics between both eras
the only real thing missing is full heal through posion which is strong enough as is imo with insta hit being I was ghealing for sub 20 on syrupz earlier when he was lethal'd
and stun
and I think stun is cheesy af
I will argue against any mechanic that has no counterplay
I would be fine with heat seaking explodes as long as a group can't spam someone down with them
blitzkrieg_team_usaToday at 8:02 PM
there were some drastic changes within the runuo free shard community that made pre uor seem like a cake walk when it was introduced in free shards - it was real fun. almost all shards had completely removed the long spell casting recovery and there was no recovery if you interrupted yourself. it was almost as apparent as equiping a halberd to do instant damage just as you could fake a harm and fast cast an ebolt. there was lots of wrestle disrupters back in the day too. i think pre uor is having a hard time keeping up with the times that now current uor shards introduce like the ability to still be a med mage/warrior, tamer mage, alchy mage, where the pvp is almost the same to the tea with its sync drops and ganking until the next round of players shows up
variation seems more viable. i still think they need to include plate mages though