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  1. Queen M - 01/17/2017
  2. Hello, I messaged you in-game so please ignore that. Who is the man in your pic?
  3. Rozalia - 01/17/2017
  4. Saw the in game message first mate so I responded to that already. Its Damien Sandow.
  5. Queen M - 01/17/2017
  6. Thanks
  7. December 4, 2017
  8. Rozalia - Last Monday at 1:39 AM
  9. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/323336007808319489/387050178156429313/Screenshot_63.jpg
  10.  
  11. You were caught too apparently
  12. Why are you spying SIR exactly?(edited)
  13. Queen M - Last Monday at 1:40 AM
  14. I was caught
  15. I don't get a greeting. I thought you were a gentleman....
  16. Rozalia - Last Monday at 1:41 AM
  17. Well there is a time and place... anyway, I'd rather you not be spying them thank you.
  18. Queen M - Last Monday at 1:41 AM
  19. Manners gets you a lot further than demands
  20. Rozalia - Last Monday at 1:42 AM
  21. I'm willing to gentlely forgive. This is not something you should be doing so lets not try to take some highground here. Please stop as I said, thank you.
  22. Queen M - Last Monday at 1:43 AM
  23. I have yet to ask for forgiveness. But your...request has been noted
  24. Rozalia - Last Monday at 1:44 AM
  25. Right, well there is not much else to say than what has been. Have a good day/night
  26. Queen M - Last Monday at 1:45 AM
  27. you as well
  28. Rozalia - Last Monday at 1:45 AM
  29. Thank you
  30. Queen M - Last Monday at 1:45 AM
  31. you're welcome
  32. Also, for the future, I do very much take stock in manners. Beginning a message to me with "Hello" "How do you do?" or "Greetings" goes a long way.
  33. Rozalia - Last Monday at 1:49 AM
  34. I forgot my manners perhaps yes. Thank you for the good words.
  35. Queen M - Last Monday at 1:49 AM
  36. Take care
  37. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:00 AM
  38. On our page, on their one
  39. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:01 AM
  40. OHHHHH!
  41. I see
  42. There was a disconnect it seems
  43. I thought a Guarantee of Independence meant you...
  44. nevermind. A lady shouldn't say such things
  45. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:03 AM
  46. It is what it is on our end. Please send peace, we'll cover the damages to the guy.
  47. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:04 AM
  48. what is it on your end exactly?
  49. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:04 AM
  50. Ummm? I take these things seriously is all. There is a GoI so I help.
  51. As Paperless you get by on your word mate
  52. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:05 AM
  53. ah I see
  54. I understand
  55. however, just on principle, cannot send peace to Nazis
  56. my compass won't allow it
  57. I hadn't realized you "guaranteed the independence" of Nazis
  58. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:07 AM
  59. I GoI in game a group of players who had been getting harassed. I argue against them whenever any of them speak up on whatever loony matter they decide to speak on. It is a rare occurance these days compared to when Iron Guard was around (every day).
  60. Anyway, so what is the deal here then? You're not going to send peace so what are you going to give me?
  61. How about a NAP between you and them?
  62. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:09 AM
  63. the deal? give you?
  64. why on earth would I give you anything? you protect nazis
  65. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:10 AM
  66. RL stuff that, all quite irrelevant.
  67. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:10 AM
  68. is it when they brought it into the game?
  69. to my doorstep, no less?
  70. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:11 AM
  71. Iron Guard was Iron Guard. They are no longer Iron Guard and have paid for all that.
  72. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:11 AM
  73. we wouldn't even be having this conversation if they hadn't sought me out
  74. oh you seem to be mistaken
  75. or lied to
  76. or have been lied to, I meant
  77. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:11 AM
  78. I have been told many times of this thing you're gesturing to. I ask for evidence and get told evidence doesn't matter.
  79. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:12 AM
  80. gesturing?
  81. I do not gesture
  82. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:12 AM
  83. You have yet to state it specifically but I can deduce easily enough based on the words of other's previously
  84. As said, you need some actual evidence for a start
  85. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:13 AM
  86. I have evidence
  87. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:13 AM
  88. Which is?
  89. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:14 AM
  90. I have something damning enough it prompted Acadia to drop SIR in quick order. I don't feel particularly obliged to show you anything, as I am sure it doesn't even matter(edited)
  91. you're going to defend nazis
  92. nothing I can do about that it seems
  93. which is sad, actually
  94. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:15 AM
  95. If you have evidence, then provide it, stating it doesn't matter or is some sort of secret doesn't make for a strong case
  96. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:16 AM
  97. I'm not making a case for anything. I don't need a reason to make a nazi's life miserable if I'm able
  98. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:17 AM
  99. I actually care for such things, as most normal people do. You do not get to make a claim that they did X and then provide no evidence.
  100. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:18 AM
  101. are you under the impression no one saw them flame me in the Fark server?
  102. if so, that is incorrect
  103. furthermore
  104. they DMd me RIGHT AFTER
  105. lol
  106. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:18 AM
  107. Fark server is not what has been cited in the past, the stuff gestured at apparently went down in Acadia's server(edited)
  108. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:18 AM
  109. which was quite stupid
  110. You're mistaken. Had they not come to Fark's server, I never would've seen anything. I've never been in the Acadia server
  111. so
  112. the fact that they flamed me in my former home server and now my current ally server
  113. in addition to messaging me DIRECTLY after
  114. please
  115. I don't need to continue
  116. they started this, Rozalia. I don't know what to tell you.
  117. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:21 AM
  118. Right right. The Acadia server is all Kosmo talks about so it clearly is where the thrust of this is from. However he has no evidence from there so I have no reason to take his word. Second, you cite the Fark server... yeah, again provide evidence, and second it ain't exactly an unbiased source if they tell me it happened.
  119. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:21 AM
  120. so if you know it happened, why are you asking for me to prove it?
  121. that makes no sense whatsoever
  122. now you're just playing games AND wasting my time
  123. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:22 AM
  124. ?
  125. Nowhere did I say that I know it happened
  126. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:22 AM
  127. " an unbiased source if they tell me it happened." what does that mean?
  128. perhaps, the tone I'm reading that in is off?
  129. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:22 AM
  130. I've done this rodeo with Kosmo already. You guys want to hit for RL reasons and when told that is wrong cite these events which you refuse to provide evidence for.
  131. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:23 AM
  132. standby
  133. I'm going to count how many of these shots I have
  134. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:24 AM
  135. And Kosmo I see has made a thread mocking Acadia and naturally wanting my response, very well.
  136. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:25 AM
  137. 3 of 6
  138.  
  139. I don't see what that thread of his had to do with you
  140. you're making this about you again. that's why I keep getting confused
  141. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:27 AM
  142. What is bad in that screenshot?
  143. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:27 AM
  144. that's 3 of 6
  145. implying that's 6 total
  146. however...
  147. the acknowledgment of the servers being flamed is...come on
  148. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:28 AM
  149. Don't see where that proves guilt. I remember Kosmo making mention of it for one in our lobby about it, perhaps he heard it from there.
  150. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:29 AM
  151. Like I said, that's one of six. I showed you that a conversation took place.
  152. Again, we wouldn't be here had they not sought me out. They did.
  153. So here we are
  154. I'm unclear why you're putting it on me to end something they initiated
  155. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:31 AM
  156. This from the person who on someone's return to the came messaged them what you did?
  157. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:32 AM
  158. Pardon?
  159. oh, the welcome back to the game message?
  160. nothing wrong there
  161. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:33 AM
  162. So you get to harass them, and a message asking you to leave them alone is unacceptable?
  163. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:34 AM
  164. Rozalia, let me put it in the most absolute base way I can so that you understand. I feel like you're dancing and it's unnecessary
  165. If someone plays a nazi in game, someone gets to play the person that punches that nazis
  166. there is not one without the other
  167. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:35 AM
  168. Except they are not in game Nazis.
  169. You don't seem aware of the lines between RP/RL
  170. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:35 AM
  171. that is the risk they have taken and that's the risk you have taken in guaranteeing their independence
  172. No, I do(edited)
  173. I assure you. My best friend in this game is a Trump conservative and it makes me want to punch him in the throat, but I adore him
  174. so yes, I separate the 2 quite well
  175. but
  176. like I have said and as I know you know...
  177. they sought me out. so here I am
  178. cause
  179. effect
  180. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:37 AM
  181. Your evidence of this is that screenshot which shows nothing wrong... right
  182. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:38 AM
  183. I feel like you're being dense on purpose, which I don't understand
  184. you've never struck me as a dense person
  185. unless...
  186. you're playing dense in order to hoodwink me
  187. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:39 AM
  188. Right... or I'm asking for some actual evidence of your claims which you are not providing. There is nothing wrong in that screenshot. You say it is part of a series and yet do not provide the rest.
  189. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:40 AM
  190. No, and I will not provide the rest.
  191. I will decline to do so
  192. I'm not testing you. I want to reiterate that. you're making it about you which I have no control over
  193. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:42 AM
  194. You will not provide the rest? The implication that comes from that is you cannot.
  195. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:43 AM
  196. No, I will not provide the rest. Implying that I have them for my own records, not for you to see just because you're nosy or something
  197. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:44 AM
  198. Nosy? You have not provided any killshot, nor has Kosmo, so the implication is you don't have any.
  199.  
  200. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:44 AM
  201. why don't you ask Wall instead of all this rigamorle? he has our conversation. you can see for yourself
  202. so odd the way you're going about this
  203. If I were you, I would've asked Wall to show me the entire conversation as soon as Kosmo came knocking
  204. would've saved you SO much time
  205. then you'd have what I have and not have to waste my time, yours, or Kosmo's
  206. and then you can spin it however you want to make it look like nothing or like I'm a sjw snowflake cuck or whatever the insult of the month is
  207. geez
  208. smh
  209. all of which, still has nothing to do with you
  210. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:47 AM
  211. Right right. I'm making a post on it now don't you worry. You want to talk RL racism, that is cool, we can talk about the people you keep also
  212. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:47 AM
  213. the people I keep? I'm unsure what that's supposed to mean
  214. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:48 AM
  215. Very recently Starbuck has a number of cases, however I know it is very present among you guys. The anti-white racism
  216. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:48 AM
  217. however, if I make a Legend of Rozalia post, I'll consider myself very accomplished for such a young alliance leader(edited)
  218. anti-white racism?
  219. L
  220. O
  221. L
  222. how do you figure that?
  223. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:49 AM
  224. How? You're all quite forward when the matter comes up
  225. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:50 AM
  226. We are? No one has asked me about that....
  227. you're under the impression I am anti-white?
  228. genuiniely asking
  229. I'm curious how you got to that conclusion, honestly
  230. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:52 AM
  231. You lot generally are and whenever it comes up you show as such. Don't see me wanting to smash you to nothing for it even though I am someone who experienced all that from a young age.
  232. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:52 AM
  233. you're generalizing based off absolutely nothing
  234. "you lot generally..."
  235. what lot?
  236. who are are you speaking of?
  237. what have I ever said that reads anti-white?
  238. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:53 AM
  239. Starbuck very recently showed as such. Your lol itself shows how you see it all as a joke, something that doesn't matter.
  240. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:53 AM
  241. you would have absolutely nothing to smash me for. we're an irrelevant micro
  242. You're mistaken
  243. Perhaps you can access the pic of me and my husband that's been floating around
  244. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:54 AM
  245. As is SIR. As said, you want to talk RL racism we certainly can but you and the people you keep are not clean on this
  246. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:54 AM
  247. you may want to take back your rather wrong opinion of me and my alliance
  248. I don't want to talk RL racism
  249. I don't talk RL racism with internet strangers. it's too important of a conversation and I don't know you well enough to invest my time
  250. I assure, I am acting on a very clean moral compass
  251. I was sought out and personally attacked
  252. I have the right to self-defense of my own name, do I not?
  253. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:56 AM
  254. A shame your friends don't huh
  255. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:56 AM
  256. which friends?
  257. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:56 AM
  258. Starbuck already made it clear
  259. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:57 AM
  260. I honestly have no idea what you're referring to
  261. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 9:57 AM
  262. KT server, ironically. Seems to be where all the racism goes, fancy that. The anti-white racism too
  263. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 9:57 AM
  264. I have yet to say anything that incriminates him as an "anti-white racist"
  265. well shit attracts shit, doesn't it?
  266. I don't know what goes on there
  267. I don't have the stomach for what I've seen happens there
  268. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:00 AM
  269. Kill Whites he says. A joke is what he hides behind when it comes to it of course. I take it seriously and ask him, especially considering he is your group lets not forget, not to say such words. He wouldn't say it about black or Jewish folk. He'd mash the screenshot button if anybody said the same about other groups. He agrees. He mocks anti-white racism.
  270. I talk progressives a lot. The people on that left wing like to stand above everyone else while being racist themselves
  271. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:00 AM
  272. you think that what Starbuck says and does on his own time is what I say or do?
  273. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:01 AM
  274. I see you informed Starbuck so he has done his post, alright. We'll be doing that then
  275. It is the people you keep I know that much. Politically you guys are alike
  276. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:01 AM
  277. If you were so offended, why are you just now bringing this to my attention?
  278. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:01 AM
  279. You guys hate white people, white men in particular that much.
  280. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:02 AM
  281. L
  282. O
  283. L
  284. I'm surprised our pic hasn't made it your way yet...
  285. well
  286. enough people know that I am not an anti-white racist, principally my very white husband
  287. but
  288. this will tickle him to no end. mind if I share?
  289. he's been a bit down lately
  290. it'd be nice to see him laugh a bit
  291. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:03 AM
  292. Is it a white man? Well congrats on the relationship with the #NewJew, progressives do make out white men to be the top people in this world. However, you think that a white man means you aren't a racist? Excuse me? You should know that the politics on that end do not work that way.
  293. Not often it gets reversed like that I admit
  294. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:04 AM
  295. oh boy
  296. Rozalia, I fear we have come to an en passe. We are no longer talking about what is relevant at the moment which is you protecting nazis
  297. and you defending them
  298. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:05 AM
  299. We're talking RL
  300. You want to talk RL
  301. So we are
  302. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:05 AM
  303. no we're talking in-game, bud
  304. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:05 AM
  305. Your reasons are RL ones. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it
  306. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:06 AM
  307. No. You think it, I know that to be incorrect, everybody else (including Acadia) also knows that's incorrect
  308. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:08 AM
  309. Then it will be something you will have to deal with. RL wise I certainly am not a fan of all this white hatred, yet you don't see me pushing to destroy those that do it in game. You guys are harassing a group of guys who already paid the price for their previous actions and are citing RL. So you want to talk RL then we certainly can.
  310.  
  311. In addition might I add that clearly, Islamic folk get a pass right.
  312. Where is your Jihad on them?
  313. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:09 AM
  314. I don't want to talk RL with you. I've already said that. and I don't know who're referring to, regarding Islamic folks. All the Muslims I know in this game are absolutely lovely and polite and kind people
  315. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:09 AM
  316. Ibrahim, Abu, Moreao (however it is spelt). All ISIS supporters.
  317. Famous enough guys
  318. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:10 AM
  319. I'm unfamiliar with them. I've only been playing since August 2016. They may pre-date me?
  320. In any case, it's irrelevant to the conversation
  321. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:13 AM
  322. ISIS supporting people. Left alone. Yet you guys will hit these people. Also you have plenty of people on your end who know of them
  323. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:13 AM
  324. OK....what does that have to do with me and the nazis? I don't know who "my people" know. That logic doesn't make sense
  325. I've been playing for 400 days to their 900. how would I know what they know?
  326. in any case, I don't speak for them or their actions or lack of actions when it comes to other people
  327. I just speak for myself
  328. and my alliance
  329. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:25 AM
  330. Post has been made on the forum on the matter
  331. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:26 AM
  332. LOL
  333. I knew you'd use the screenshot. so predictable jfc
  334. so disappointing
  335. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:26 AM
  336. It is where it began so apt to use
  337. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:33 AM
  338. why are you getting so butthurt over a raid by noob nations? seems awfully dramatic
  339. in any case, I guess this conversation is over as we're at a crossroads. I don't think it was necessary to bring my husband into the forums. That is actually very upsetting
  340. you are really making this real life and there was absolutely no need
  341. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:35 AM
  342. You made it RL the moment you guys decided to carry out this campaign based on RL things
  343. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:35 AM
  344. I have no business with you, Rozalia. My issue is with SIR and I'm tired of repeating myself to you and "your lot"
  345. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:35 AM
  346. You want to make it RL, we can and have. Like I said, you wouldn't like it
  347. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:36 AM
  348. I didn't want to make it RL, I told you several times this was a matter in-game
  349. you just made this so much bigger than what it really was
  350. so dramatic
  351. jfc
  352. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:36 AM
  353. I'm a nice guy and only raising to the level you guys have made it.
  354. Kosmo has not made it dramatic?
  355. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:37 AM
  356. Roz, I'm tired of repeating myself and my point of view. Is there anything else? Do I need to tell my guys they need to militarize because you're in your feelings about nazis being raided in the low tier?(edited)
  357. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:39 AM
  358. Such logic you would not like if it were turned on yourself. Someone hits you, tells your protectors it is just raids on small folk, no big deal. You guys have been poking for quite a while, just words up till recently, then the spy attacks, then the attacks after the spy attacks, then the call out via Kosmo. I've had a very high patience here and still have it, I'm willing to let it go but I want this sorted.
  359. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:42 AM
  360. Nothing to sort as far as I'm concerned. they're playing nazis. I'm playing hitting nazis where and when I can. This is how this game goes. Can't speak for Fark but that's where I am. If you want to defend your baby nazis, fine. I'm sure Fark will not like that and haven't even talked to Guardian because I didn't think it was necessary
  361. so if you want to attack me for hitting nazis, have at it
  362. I'm not militarizing until you hit someone that's not raiding. otherwise, this is just you making your presence known which has been noted
  363. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:43 AM
  364. You keep trying to push this "you protect Nazis" thing. All the noted ISIS supporting Islamists passed through RW. Believe me, it's not a winning angle with me.
  365. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:44 AM
  366. what garbage you have pass through your alliance is your business. if you shelter jihadists and nazis alike, you're already lost
  367. don't know what it has to do with me and mine
  368. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:44 AM
  369. I don't let RL matters get in the way of the game.
  370. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:44 AM
  371. me neither
  372. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:45 AM
  373. Right right. Except what you are doing and have been campaigning on for quite a while now
  374. They aren't Nazis in game and you know it. You never provide evidence for your other claims in regards to in game stuff.
  375. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:46 AM
  376. so there's nothing else?
  377. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:47 AM
  378. I really don't understand why all this honestly. Your alliance apparently wants to make moves yeah? Yet is doing this small time stuff?
  379. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:47 AM
  380. are you privy to my alliances goals?
  381. small time stuff that got your attention?
  382. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:47 AM
  383. Starbuck told me before you guys formed
  384. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:48 AM
  385. told you what?
  386. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:49 AM
  387. Well, that you guys wanted to do things. Which is something I'm pretty sure is public enough, so not trying to bury him or whatever. I like that, told him then that if you guys are then give me a shout as I could perhaps help.
  388. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:49 AM
  389. ?
  390. are you and Starbuck friends?
  391. are you trying to tell me you have an inside man?
  392. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:49 AM
  393. ?
  394. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:50 AM
  395. I'm unclear why you and Starbuck would be speaking of my alliance before we formed
  396. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:50 AM
  397. I didn't even know the name mate. He just mentioned it one day and I inquired on it. He didn't let anything go don't worry.
  398. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:50 AM
  399. intriguing
  400. anyways, I can confirm that I am ambitious
  401. I have not made that a secret
  402. I am also honorable and act in the name of righteousness
  403. no better righteousness than punching nazis
  404. regardless of how you try to spin it
  405. so if I make a name for myself punching nazis and their friends, mission accomplished a shit ton faster than I anticipated
  406. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:53 AM
  407. Already been done, and better considering it previously had some level of basis. Little now
  408. Harassing a micro with the backing of Fark and friends, only stepping up once Acadia went is hardly big time
  409. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:53 AM
  410. I mean, Stratagem is a micro. you think I'm gonna raid TKR?
  411. or anyone in the top 50?
  412. and, again, my business is with SIR
  413. not Roz Wei or Acadia
  414. I have no contacts or relations in either alliance
  415. and no beef
  416. unless you're going to defend nazis
  417. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:55 AM
  418. Look at what Acadia dropping them resulted in.
  419. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:55 AM
  420. what happened? they don't have a protectorate anymore?
  421. that's nothing of consequence
  422. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:55 AM
  423. They were called out as weak, bad people, and ultimately untrustworthy considering how they buckled. Same happened with KT
  424. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:56 AM
  425. they were?
  426. well
  427. not my alliance or FA team
  428. it seems the bulk of your issue is with Fark and not me
  429. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:56 AM
  430. Blame Kosmo then, he is very much seen as above you on this matter.
  431. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 10:58 AM
  432. you want me to blame Kosmo for people I don't know or have relations with calling another alliance I have no business or concern with weak, bad, and untrustworthy?
  433. that's none of my business
  434. he's a grown man. I don't know what he does
  435. and I'm not responsibe for Acadia's PR(edited)
  436. again, an issue with others you're taking out on me
  437. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 10:59 AM
  438. I personally don't like to be seen as weak and untrustworthy. Both things I look if I buckle here. It has in addition been shown that such things will be transmitted to the world if it does happen. Both KT and Acadia have suffered it.
  439. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 11:02 AM
  440. I understand that. I'd hate to be thought of as weak and untrustworthy. However, I'd also hate to be known as someone nazis can come after at will and have that not be answered. I do not care for racial harassment, in-game or irl. For me, this is a clear and classic case of good vs. evil. I feel good about how history will view me on this matter. If you want to be the Gestapo to my American forces and spunky, can do spirit....that will be your place in history
  441. and that's none of my business
  442. anyways, it's 1am for me. I need to take my dog out and get ready for class tomorrow. As of now, I am viewing this as my noobs raiding what was thought to be a recently paperless alliance. If you decide you want to counter a noob raid, so be it
  443. but we have no intention of fighting RW unless you decide to hit us
  444. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 11:07 AM
  445. I didn't protect Iron Guard. Them stopping what they were doing after becoming SIR and then getting harrassed mad eme give them a chance. Thus far, they have kept their heads down while you guys have been harassing them still throughout.
  446.  
  447. All in all, this isn't a "noob raid". This is a raid with the taunt to do something because you have Fark, their friends, and Guardian. I'm willing to let this raid be, but if so it has to come with the understanding that it won't happen again. Signing a NAP afterwards would be cool too. Then come to me if anything comes up, for the both of you. I'd be fine with that, however it sounds like you won't be.
  448. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 11:09 AM
  449. I will absolutely not sign any kind of paper with Nazis. I can tell you that immediately. Nor would I share a bed partner with them. You don't want them raided? Get them to delete their nations or to merge in RW
  450. Good night, Rozalia. Or perhaps, Good day is more appropos? I hope you have a good one.
  451. Take care
  452. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 11:11 AM
  453. Thank you, have a good night yourself.
  454. A NAP doesn't have to happen by any means, but I'd like this to very much be the end of it. Otherwise it keeps happening
  455. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 11:25 AM
  456. I haven't seen the war activity page but if none of SIR has countered my guys, I will have a word with them after my class day is over tomorrow
  457. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 11:25 AM
  458. Oh? Sounds encouraging
  459. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 11:27 AM
  460. I am promising you nothing nor am I making any deals or shaking hands. I'll look at the war activity tomorrow and go from there. Good night.(edited)
  461. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 11:28 AM
  462. Right, okay. Good night.
  463. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 5:55 PM
  464. Hello. I've messaged the leader of the SGM strike team raiding Mussolini and told them to keep it at one round.
  465. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 5:57 PM
  466. And this will be the end of it?
  467. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 5:57 PM
  468. Forever and ever? I cannot commit to that
  469. But, tbh, they're all out of range and boring. So it's the end for now
  470. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:00 PM
  471. The implication there better not be the moment he rebuilds you'll hit again, as if so then there is nothing good there. I'm being very patient and understanding here so please don't keep poking. Anyway, if they do actually do something then inform me on it.
  472. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:04 PM
  473. Allow me to clarify: when/if Federico or Wall/Bastion grow into my range, I will be hitting them myself. Last I checked, they've got a bit of time. If your relationship with them lasts THAT long, we can speak again. But, if I can't hit them now, I will wait until I can
  474. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:04 PM
  475. Then there really is no reason for me to be generous and give you something if you're not giving anything in return
  476. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:05 PM
  477. I didn't know you were offering to give me something. I missed that bit. Can you elaborate?
  478. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:06 PM
  479. I have been very generous and giving plenty to you guys throughout this whole affair. This to was me trying to be generous to allow the matter to be settled and end. You however state that nothing would be settled in letting this raid end in the manner you wish it.
  480. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:08 PM
  481. Please stop saying "you guys." Its throwing me off. Please address me and SGM alone. We make our own decisions and are only concerned with what WE think.
  482. I'm not taking anything from you in exchange for not hitting them in the months it'll take them to grow into my range. My soul and moral compass are not for sale(edited)
  483. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:10 PM
  484. You are hitting someone we have a GoI on and saying you'll be generous by only hitting this guy for one round because you literally won't be able to do more. You'll hit later down the line though when able. How pray am I supposed to take that exactly?
  485. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:12 PM
  486. Oh, we can do more. These guys will perma-raid so that they don't get above 1000
  487. You requested I tell my guys to cool it after this and I have.
  488. Don't know what else you need.
  489. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:13 PM
  490. That is dishonest. You "give" because in your own words you can't do more. You'll restart when they get back above that threshold, there by leading us right back to this situation. I have no reason to accept this
  491. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:17 PM
  492. I am not going to tell you that I'm not going to kill them some day, Rozalia. I am giving you the courtesy of being dead ass honest with you instead of telling you what you want to hear and then betraying what I said, making me a liar. I do not lie. I was personally attacked and targeted by them and I will not stand for that to slide. I do not tolerate being disrespected. By anyone.(edited)
  493. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:18 PM
  494. I've asked for evidence of this many times, never given.
  495. Ultimately there is no point even having a GoI if I'm going to be allowing them to be hit as you see fit.
  496. I also see no reason in dropping it either. KT and Acadia who both did were labeled Nazi sympathisers and untrustworthy weaklings who were scared.
  497. Simple fact is I've been very generous here and you have kept poking. So it is an effort to push me around and get what you want. I say no to that.
  498. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:23 PM
  499. I'm not pushing you around. Have said that from the beginning. You weren't ever on my radar. If you want to protect pieces of shit, that's your business. But you're not going to dictate what I do in this game. Not now, not ever. I'm telling you Federico and Wall have time. A LOT of time. If you don't want to except that, then don't. But it's all you're getting from me for now
  500. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:27 PM
  501. I find it hard to believe you wouldn't be aware that we had protection on them, Kosmo certainly knew. Anyway, as I said, please end this matter and move on. They want to keep their heads down and be well away from you and the others. Harassing them does not endear you to people, even if they are not very nice people in RL.
  502. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:27 PM
  503. I told you, my guys are done after this raid is over.
  504. That's it.
  505. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:28 PM
  506. Except they aren't. You're going to hit them again once they're back in range.
  507. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:28 PM
  508. I am in 2845. They are 700?
  509. Give me a break
  510. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:29 PM
  511. You have other people in your alliance, but even if so I again do not have to accept such a ridiculous notion either. You don't get to pick and choose who you get to hit free of consequences.
  512. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:30 PM
  513. I am aware. I told you I'd tell the rest of my guys to prepare for counters....
  514. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:31 PM
  515. It is quite insulting I'd say. You didn't dare do a thing when Acadia was in the picture but now do, right.
  516. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:32 PM
  517. I wanted to. Trust me.
  518. I don't give a shit about Acadia or you, to be quite frank. My eye is on them.
  519. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:33 PM
  520. You and your friends are very free to hit Acadia, sounds like Kosmo has a lot against them.
  521. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:34 PM
  522. No idea. I know very little about them and have never had an issue with them. You'd have to talk to Kosmo about that
  523. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:34 PM
  524. Well they are as he says "Nazi sympathisers"
  525. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:34 PM
  526. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  527. They've been instructed to keep it at one round, per your original request. Our business should be done?
  528. You're not getting anything out of me other than that
  529. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:37 PM
  530. It isn't no. I am not satisfied with such things as you intend to hit again at a later date. I'm willing to let this 1 round business go, but only if I get your word that it is finished. If in future you get some actual reason for hitting outside this RL nonsense then I'll understand, until then these RL backed wars is nonsense.
  531. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:38 PM
  532. You're not getting anything out of me other than what I've already said
  533. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:39 PM
  534. So apparently I have to give and give and like it. This is not how these things go.
  535. Ask any alliance out there if they would be content with such a thing. Find me one that will agree with you as it being reasonable
  536. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:39 PM
  537. What are you giving me other than a good pluck on my Christian resolve?
  538. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:40 PM
  539. You doing one round is not you giving me anything, it is me giving you something so it'll be an end.
  540. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:40 PM
  541. Welcome to Queen M as an alliance leader. I don't care how anyone else has done things in the past. I'm here now forging my own path and SGM's path alone.
  542. You have the privilege of being one of the first. Tell everyone, far and wide, how much Queen M doesn't care about how they do things
  543. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:41 PM
  544. And yet I doubt you'll take this path with anyone else.
  545. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:42 PM
  546. If they give a reason, I certainly will
  547. And they're not the only ones on my list
  548. So you'll have to wait and see just like everyone else
  549. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:43 PM
  550. Will you and your boys say they did something on some discord server and then never provide evidence too?
  551. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:44 PM
  552. So you can twist the evidence and log dump it on the forums like you did last night?
  553. That really made me angry tbh
  554. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:45 PM
  555. I was referring to whatever future alliance you deal with
  556. I didn't log dump by the way
  557. I only linked the screen you provided which as I told, had nothing on it. The other was a PM.
  558. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:46 PM
  559. Rozalia, do you what you feel you need to do. I told you that's all you're getting and that's really it. Meaning final. You're getting nothing else at this time. Do with it what you will(edited)
  560. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:48 PM
  561. You imply you're giving something. Again, you give less than nothing.
  562. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:49 PM
  563. I am giving them grace
  564. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:49 PM
  565. To not be hit as long as they are not in range, will be when they get in range.
  566. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:50 PM
  567. Whenever that may be
  568. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:50 PM
  569. It doesn't matter if it is a week or year from now. Such a thing is not correct, reasonable, or just.(edited)
  570. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:51 PM
  571. I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. I'm already bending by not putting them in perma-raid status. If that's not enough, then it is what it is(edited)
  572. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:53 PM
  573. That is not bending. You won't hit them perma-war them because you cannot, this is why Kosmo does his little appeals to get people to hit them.
  574. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:55 PM
  575. Again, I don't speak for Kosmo and for what he does. Separate issue. I can address SGM matters only
  576. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:55 PM
  577. He is your ally and benefactor who has very much involved himself at the end of the day.
  578. As said. You only "give" this because you literally cannot do it
  579. As such it has not been given
  580. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:56 PM
  581. He's only involved because they came to his server.
  582. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 6:56 PM
  583. And yet, I'm sure I ask for evidence of that too he won't provide it. After all he doesn't in his own words have to provide evidence of anything
  584. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 6:58 PM
  585. Well, if he said that, I definitely don't have to.
  586. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 7:00 PM
  587. Right. Such things are not healthy by any means. Anybody can claim anything.
  588. As I said, who next will be targeted by this? Who will be the next victim of the good fight from RL when these guys are finished?
  589. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 7:04 PM
  590. Rozalia, take what I'm conceding to or don't. Makes little difference to me. I just need to confirm with my guys if they're stopping at this or go perma-war. I have to walk my dog which means you have 20ish minutes to accept how I roll or be mad about it. Up to you.
  591. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 7:08 PM
  592. Either choice you give is perma-war. There is no difference.
  593. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 7:27 PM
  594. I want Federico and Wall gone. If they're in an alliance you protect now or 6 months from now...
  595. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 7:28 PM
  596. They already paid the price with their deletions and have been keeping their heads down ever since.
  597. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 7:28 PM
  598. They have not
  599. That is a lie
  600. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 7:30 PM
  601. Oct used to talk everyday over at KT's server for one. Every day I'd have to shoot down some silly conspiracy or comment. These days he basically doesn't post there.
  602. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 7:32 PM
  603. My day is beginning now, Roz. I'm off. I've told my guys to stand down after this and that is all. Have a great evening.
  604. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 7:33 PM
  605. You too
  606. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 8:14 PM
  607. My guys said they're still being spied on.
  608. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 8:15 PM
  609. Well no surprise there. You just condemned them to perma-war after all.
  610. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 8:15 PM
  611. I told you it was over. They're going to finish the war and they will disappear from their lives
  612. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 8:16 PM
  613. Except when they get back up in score, then they will get hit again for this same nonsense
  614. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 8:17 PM
  615. I'm done doing this circle with you. SGM is going to follow through with the raid on Mussolini and move on to something else
  616. Please tell SIR to cease spy ops
  617. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 8:17 PM
  618. There is no "moving on" as you declared it as a constant
  619. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 8:18 PM
  620. I did not
  621. It's over on my end. If they get hit or spied again, I will pull back my grace.
  622. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 8:20 PM
  623. This is simply silly. You give me less than nothing, act unreasonable, and want the right to hit them whenever they get into your range. Yeah no, that is a perma-war you're declaring there
  624. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 8:21 PM
  625. You're reaching. But if your comprehension is that base, I can't break it down more
  626. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 8:22 PM
  627. I've conceded so much already to you and you seem to think you're doing me a favour. How about you just send peace to the guy and end it there. I've tried to give you what you want and leave it all very nice for you but clearly that gets me no respect so that is fine, I can just retract that.
  628. Queen M - Last Tuesday at 8:24 PM
  629. Peace? Let me get back to on that
  630. Rozalia - Last Tuesday at 8:25 PM
  631. I've been more than nice and you keep spitting in my face here. So just send peace yes.
  632. December 6, 2017
  633. Queen M - Last Wednesday at 12:16 AM
  634. I could’ve sworn I told you I was tied up in classes today and that this was going to end in 1 round. I also said we weren’t coming for you. So you declare?
  635. You have no honor or class. And you have made a formal enemy.
  636. Rozalia - Last Wednesday at 12:19 AM
  637. You kept pushing and pushing, simple as that. You disrespect me and my alliance, expect to be given everything, and I'm also the bad guy throughout? Nah.
  638. Queen M - Last Wednesday at 12:22 AM
  639. Ok. You stew in that false narrative. We’ll see how that shakes out. But you and I, sir?
  640. Tsk tsk
  641. Bad form. Very poor form and sportsmanship
  642. December 7, 2017
  643. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:47 AM
  644. I tried my hand at this resolution but it seems both sides can't sort this out and thus will fight each other forever or whatever. We can't be in the middle of that, as both you and SIR know. I've put peace in front of you and Kosmo on this and will be telling my guys to peace. The SIR guy you can beige if you want. I will not be accepting this talk of me condemning SIR and telling people that Kosmo is cool or whatever he wants. If he looks bad because of what he posted in our public channel then that is on him and nothing to do with me.
  645. Oh and naturally this means we're going to be dropping them. Otherwise it means I have to get involved next time as I don't like being made to look weak and all that.
  646. Rozalia - Yesterday at 4:34 PM
  647. By the way, this doesn't apply to the rogue KillzBob currently trolling me.
  648. Queen M - Yesterday at 5:00 PM
  649. I literally just woke up. I also don't know what KillzBob has to do with anything. I've told my guys to sit on peace from your guys until I speak with Fark and Guardian. Seeing as how I just woke up to all this, I need some time to get sorted.
  650. Rozalia - Yesterday at 5:01 PM
  651. Sure. He just joined your alliance to rogue us so I've countered him and will be beating him down, hey, gets me good points with Avalanche while at it hehehe.
  652.  
  653. Anyway, as is laid out. We're ready to move forward with peace, we've dropped SIR already, and you'll be able to do what you want going forward. As you're interesting in making moves, if you get any ideas in future, send 'em my way if you wish.
  654. Queen M - Yesterday at 5:03 PM
  655. Ok. I'll get back with you as soon as I can. I need to shower, eat, blah blah blah
  656. Rozalia - Yesterday at 5:03 PM
  657. Of course.
  658. Queen M - Yesterday at 6:46 PM
  659. Are you around? There seems to be some confusion I'd like to clear up
  660. Rozalia - Yesterday at 8:23 PM
  661. Heya
  662. Queen M - Yesterday at 8:34 PM
  663. heya
  664. I'm in class so I may be slow to respond but I'm here. I have to be a bit stealth
  665. Rozalia - Yesterday at 8:35 PM
  666. Right, okay
  667. Queen M - Yesterday at 8:36 PM
  668. so we need to get something straight before we proceed, Roz
  669. are you under the impression that Fark and I have the same demands to peace? because he may want something I don't and vice versa
  670. so can we get that sorted before we proceed with anything?
  671. Rozalia - Yesterday at 8:37 PM
  672. He said something to the effect that they only come in if you say so type of thing.
  673. Queen M - Yesterday at 8:37 PM
  674. Fark or Guardian said that?
  675. Rozalia - Yesterday at 8:38 PM
  676. Kosmo of Fark. Guardian doesn't want too many cooks in the kitchen and all that
  677. Queen M - Yesterday at 8:40 PM
  678. ok
  679. so let me find what I told Fark I wanted. one sec to find it
  680. Rozalia - Yesterday at 8:40 PM
  681. Okay
  682. Queen M - Yesterday at 8:43 PM
  683. Queen M - Yesterday at 3:17 PM
  684. This is what I want and after this I am done because I have a headache and my husband is annoying me and I don't wanna take it out on you:
  685. 1. Public acknowledgment, apology, and assurance that I was flamed in your server and that it won't happen again.
  686. 2. I want Roz to quit fucking gaslighting me
  687. 3. He needs to acknowledge he's protecting Nazis and because of that, I want reparations of an undetermined value at this time
  688. Reps from RW, not SIR
  689. 4. SIR needs to rebrand to something totally benign
  690. Rozalia - Yesterday at 8:51 PM
  691. 1: On... my server? I don't recall any such thing quite honestly. If you mean on your server or some other server with the often mentioned stuff... not really anything to do with me and no evidence is ever produced to me.
  692. 2: Gaslighting is where someone tries to make the other sound crazy. Lets just say Kosmo has largely got you looking bad there and that is nothing to do with me.
  693. 3: You spied our protectorate. Once sorted you decided to then launch attacks. Then tried to claim that you could just attack who we protected whenever and you didn't care, perhaps due to treaties. I was willing even let the attacks go, however the disrespect meant a response had to come. Reps are normally not paid when an alliance counters like that. In addition to do this Nazi acknowledgement implies that I'm some sort of Nazi sympathiser, something that has been thrown at KT and now Acadia and that ain't true. If SIR members are Nazis in RL is quite irrelevant to me as you know.
  694. 4: SIR has before all this spoken to me of rebranding. Some I've talked to think you'll take anything they rebrand to as Nazi in some way, but we'll see.
  695. Queen M - Yesterday at 9:06 PM
  696. this was to Kosmo
  697. this is what I told him
  698. slow response, sorry. In a lecture
  699. Rozalia - Yesterday at 9:07 PM
  700. No worries. He did tell me that "you ask for more than you want" so I'm guessing he doesn't really care to actually get all that.
  701. We ultimately aren't the aggressors here mate, sorry. Paying reps over that would be silly.
  702.  
  703. I have talked to Kosmo directly but much of what I hear is second hand. He seems to think I planned all this way back when I first gave SIR a GoI. If so then why? Why would I conspire to have some war with Fark and thus likely Nuke Bloc by extention all those months back, and then pull the trigger when Acadia drops their protection? It doesn't make any sense. He also thinks I've been going around to everybody showing them logs when I haven't. Logs that were posted in our public lobby and have been linked on the forum by someone else.
  704. Queen M - Yesterday at 9:22 PM
  705. No shade, and I said this to Kosmo, I don't care about your history with each other. I feel like that's trickling down to me and I don't know the story there
  706. so keep this with me and SGM please
  707. Rozalia - Yesterday at 9:24 PM
  708. Well if those aren't your terms then we can come to peace free from them.
  709. Queen M - Yesterday at 9:24 PM
  710. perhaps but we need to discuss what I want and what you're offering
  711. you keep saying you can help me down the line. what are you meaning with that and how could I possibly trust you?
  712. and we need to talk about you protecting SIR in the first place
  713. that is something we really need to get on the same page about
  714. Rozalia - Yesterday at 9:28 PM
  715. As you can imagine from our hits recently. We're interested in doing things, something that is in short supply with people these days. tTO hit was something that came up, easy hit, so a bunch of people were suddenly asking me about it and going in. Cool, fine. Avalanche? Nah, too risky so people back down if not decide to start ignoring me in the case of CKD. We went in alone anyway because oh well, screw it.
  716.  
  717. SIR has already been dropped to speed this along. I tried to get you guys to sort this out but SIR was not willing to say what needed to be said to get this book closed. As such I know this is just going to go on forever and I have no interest being in the middle of that.
  718. Queen M - Yesterday at 9:41 PM
  719. you protecting them implies that you co-signed their fuckery
  720. so you are indeed complicit(edited)
  721. like a fart in a car
  722. can't pretend it wasn't done
  723. and YOU were indeed gaslighting me. that's what number 2 is about for me
  724. I KNOW you're a smart guy
  725. and I KNOW you know better
  726. Rozalia - Yesterday at 9:45 PM
  727. Acadia was in the process of signing it. They wanted my help as our GoI would likely go a ways to helping them. I asked Acadia how serious they were on this and they certainly sounded serious. So I helped out, not a fan of harassment especially not for out of game stuff or things that have been settled. Acadia dropping them meant we were put in a difficult position especially when it was obvious that dropping them would be the worst thing to do as it certainly didn't stop the attacks on KT and Acadia's rep. I was very patient and trying to get this sorted without having to go to war. If you had offered SIR a month of peace for us to drop the treaty, I may have just gone for that. As is I had an alliance poking a lot and if I don't step up for SIR then I look weak.
  728. As for gaslighting. You say it isn't RL stuff while I say it was. At this point with SIR getting dropped and you guys going into a state of conflict forever or whatever, I don't think it matters much. A big problem for you guys on this was Kosmo's thread and then his later stuff. People out there don't like SIR's private views but they really don't like that sort of behaviour either.
  729. Oh, and as for trusting us. I keep things close to my chest, so even if we don't go something I won't reveal it.
  730. I am aware that you said that you and Fark are seperate, and I ain't attempting to muddy things here. However a lot of your issues when it comes to... optics shall we say come directly from Kosmo from what I can see.
  731. Queen M - Yesterday at 9:57 PM
  732. I"m here, just moving some place I can give you 100% of my attention
  733. Rozalia - Yesterday at 9:57 PM
  734. Okay
  735. Queen M - Yesterday at 9:57 PM
  736. ok here's where you have me stuck
  737. you have me stuck in a few places actually
  738. a) I think it's EXTRA that you declared war on my entire alliance for ONE nation being hit. I told you I didn't sanction it (as raids are not a SGM thing) and told them it was at their own risk, under the assumption that they'd be countered by other SIR nations
  739. why you decided to intervene is beyond me
  740. additionally
  741. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:00 PM
  742. I told you that I wasn't going to peace out the raids because it was just a dumb raid and it was on an alliance that has harassed me. so I did not feel bad and still don't
  743. had you just left it at the one raid, totally would've been fine as I also told you we were not militarized nor in a position to fight a war
  744. why you attacked ALL of us instead of just the nations that were raiding is suspect
  745. and that's why I think you're not working in good faith or honesty
  746. because I do think you wanted a reason to get Fark's attention over a pissing contest between the two of you
  747. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:05 PM
  748. a) Spy attacks began when Acadia was dropped, implying disrespect to begin with for our protection. Once spy attacks were sorted, 3 wars were launched straight away. Again, not high on the respect there. Then while talking about them it went nowhere as you felt our protection was quite irrelevant it seemed. I would rather not have gotten involved but ultimately if we back down to this constant disrespect on the matters of protection then it'll just mean people will think they can get away with it in future on others.
  749.  
  750. As for hitting all instead of just the raiders. Our power to hit the raiders is extremely limited, we're very thin at that range.
  751.  
  752. I have no reason to get into a fight with Fark and their Nuke Bloc. Acadia's protection, the fact that the member's were theirs, how they spoke of not backing down, made me think it was fine. Then they dropped them over from what I could see, nothing (their listed reason is real weak) and basically worded it in a way that basically shoved the problem towards us, alone.
  753. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:09 PM
  754. Spy attacks stopped when requested and then you all turned around and did them and kept them up after I stopped them
  755. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:10 PM
  756. You hit with raids right after the spy attacks stopped. In fact my response to your message was thanking you. I then checked in game and saw the raids. All come off very badly.
  757. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:12 PM
  758. You asked me to stop spy attacks. I did.
  759. then raids were done (not sanctioned) and I didn't tell them to stop because it was on one nation
  760. not major
  761. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:13 PM
  762. Let me put it this way. I tell you stop slapping someone. You agree to stop. You then start punching them. It doesn't come off great
  763. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:13 PM
  764. if it was anyone but people who harassed me, I'd totally agree. But they did. I owe them no grace whatsoever
  765. had they not sought me out, we wouldn't be here, Roz. that's really it
  766. they initiated this
  767. and they made it RL
  768. not me
  769. and you know it
  770. and that's what I mean that you're gaslighting me but arguing this
  771. because it's so damn obvious that I'm annoyed you think I'm dumb to think otherwise
  772. and that's where you have me fucked up, as the kids say these days
  773. I don't like being treated like I'm stupid. KT, SIR, and now RW has made that mistake
  774. so
  775. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:19 PM
  776. I didn't treat you like you were stupid. What I saw was something begining something because Acadia dropped their protection, the implication of disrespect is there. After stopping the spy attacks, wars get declared, again, you have to know that such things are not a good look. Ask anybody and it comes off as a taunt to do something. I then tried to solve the manner in some way even putting out there that you could raid that one guy and end it there. You told me you'll basically just hit them forever regardless of our protection. Surely you have to see that from where I'm standing this is someone poking me and daring me to do something.
  777. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:22 PM
  778. you think I was daring all of RW to hit my 9 SGM nations over a raid?
  779. when I told you, the raiders were expecting counters to which it was a raid at their own risk?
  780. I communicated that to you
  781. so all that needed to be done was for SIR or RW to hit the raiders
  782. not my entire alliance which triggered Fark
  783. which, is on you
  784. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:24 PM
  785. Perhaps you did, don't recall that exact language. However as said it certainly came off like daring us to do something. True that you're a small group, however you signed up Fark (their friends too by extention if it came to it) and Guardian. There have been many protectorated that have suddenly gotten very tough talking when they have someone backing them in that manner. Once you show weakness on that then the disrespect rolls in and such.
  786. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:25 PM
  787. It was not a dare. That is asinine that you'd think a month old alliance was baiting you into a war. I told you we didn't have the resources to militarize REPEATEDLY(edited)
  788. so now I think you're either not paying attention to what I'm typing or...you think I'm stupid
  789. either way is problematic
  790. attack the raiders, not the alliance. they're noob nations
  791. would've been so easy to be one and done with a 3v3
  792. but no
  793. you declared war. you see how that's super dramatic?
  794. and extra?
  795. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:28 PM
  796. If you assume nothing will happen then it doesn't matter. Look Queen M, I'm not trying to decieve you, gaslight you, or whatever. If this event occured and you got hurt by it, then I don't like that such a thing happened, such attacks shouldn't happen. I'm against such things and have clashed with Oct many times back when he was Iron Guard/Lord and was far more open.
  797.  
  798. Starbuck at the very least is an experienced player, hardly someone I would call a noob.
  799. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:30 PM
  800. lower tier = noob. sorry for the confusion with my language
  801. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:30 PM
  802. No worries.
  803. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:30 PM
  804. in either case, a raid warrants a counterraid. not a full blown war declaration
  805. and I told you that's what was expected and if they or RW countered it was on the raiding nations
  806. as we don't sanction raids
  807. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:31 PM
  808. Depends. When it is deemed that this level of poking/disrespect has occured then it can expand greatly beyond simply hitting the raiders. It certainly was not something I wanted to do.
  809. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:32 PM
  810. you seem to have carried old business into a situation with someone that is trying to do something new. I think you overreacted and I think you did so because you think Kosmo was using me/us to fuck with you
  811. that is not true
  812. nor was that ever said or implied to anyone
  813. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:34 PM
  814. Kosmo certainly involved himself greatly into the matter and made it worse. However, what I've talked about hasn't really involved him. What I saw was people being very careful with Acadia, as Kosmo said trying for months to get them to drop the protection. However then with us came the spy attacks, then the wars/raids right after, the refusal to peace out and talk of it being a thing that will keep happening.
  815.  
  816. Respect is important and it did certainly seem like none was being given.
  817. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:37 PM
  818. I always walk into a situation giving respect and you have to do something to lose it with me. That's how I roll. So to reiterate, this was not about you or RW
  819. which I also said before
  820. I am saying nothing new here
  821. I don't understand why SIR didn't counter themselves. that's the go-to reaction. so even pinging you about something that should be manageable seems like YOUR side was poking
  822. because you have history with Fark or Kosmo that has nothing to do with me
  823. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:42 PM
  824. It is actually somewhat limited that. Fark helped us very early on and as a result I wanted to help them, be friends, so forth. However they really hated Mensa or something and got under Rose's wing which made them cut all ties when we got involved in a fight with Rose. Later we hit Fark as we were rolling with TEst and Arrgh and we had to get involved, though I was the one who worked on getting a quick peace. Kosmo has thrown out some words, but it has never been taken... seriously? Personally? Not sure on the word.
  825.  
  826. What I'm getting at is there is no Fark grudge or anything.
  827. As for SIR, they deemed their power to respond as not being existant.
  828. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:44 PM
  829. how so? when I looked they had 3 nations in range which is why expected them to be countered and on their own
  830. and I know RW certainly did
  831. so either way, counters were certainly possible
  832. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:46 PM
  833. They seem to think you have mercs and such ready in case they hit back, or something like that. Their members weren't fully built up either and have a city disadvantage
  834. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:47 PM
  835. I don't know why they thought that. we don't have money to hire mercs
  836. the only mercs I know are Arrgh and I can't afford that
  837. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:47 PM
  838. Kosmo I'm guessing.
  839. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:47 PM
  840. hence why I wasn't pressed over a raid
  841. ok, that's Kosmo then. I don't know anything about hiring of mercs
  842. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:48 PM
  843. Not saying that Kosmo is actually hiring mercs. Just that they think if it does happen and money changes hands then it'll come via him/Fark.
  844. They have not said as such, but you could say they perhaps see your alliance as a bit of a front for Kosmo.(edited)
  845. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:49 PM
  846. again, that's something to take up with him
  847. not me(edited)
  848. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:49 PM
  849. Well... SIR really can't take anything up with him shall we say
  850. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:50 PM
  851. that's their issue, nothing to do with me. if they're scared about mercs, they can fish around. there's only so many merc alliances
  852. not difficult in the least
  853. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:52 PM
  854. Well, I'm sure they'll be doing that especially now. As said, we've dropped them now as this repeating is not something we can be in the middle of. It'd just be us doing all the fighting each time and while I'm sticking by my word on this matter, it is simply not explainable to my members to keep it up for the future.
  855. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:53 PM
  856. sounds like both of you jumped to conclusions and you didn't believe me when I told you the raid what it was. if there's one thing I will not compromise, even with people I don't like, is honesty(edited)
  857. I am also getting the vibe you misrepresented our initial talks with Guardian, which I do not appreciate
  858. Rozalia - Yesterday at 10:56 PM
  859. I gave them the logs of our initial talks. I may have made a comment but it was up to them to decide.
  860.  
  861. I'm a very honest person myself Queen M. I have not lied to you at any point.
  862. Queen M - Yesterday at 10:57 PM
  863. interesting...
  864. in any case
  865. I feel RW was super dramatic and extra in declaring a war on an irrelevant micro. If you were in a reasonable state, at most, you'd send your best RW nations in range to hit the SGM raiders that hit your protectorate. However, you made it something it wasn't and was never intended to be. Which I know I stated several times
  866. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:00 PM
  867. and that, in my pov, is the primary crux of this issue between RW and SGM only
  868. there's a clause in my protection treaties that states if we initiate trouble, my protectors can decline to enter
  869. I believe they're entering because you're the one that escalated this from a raid on one nation to a war declaration on their protectorate
  870. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:02 PM
  871. I woudn't be so sure on the specifics there, but ultimately from what I've heard it is in your hands. I have outlined how I saw it and why we felt we had to go in to show that we're not weak/get pushed around/disrespected like we felt we were. Extending on to you guys was something I'd have rather not done, truely.
  872. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:03 PM
  873. right, and as I told you from the jump, this was a random and isolated raid that you made a thing
  874. I wasn't lying to you before or now
  875. I said it's a raid, if you counter the raid, it's countered. I wasn't stepping in
  876. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:05 PM
  877. Were the raid on it's own. It wouldn't have gone down like this. The spy attacks before, your response to my inquiring on the raids, Kosmo labeling Acadia (and us by extention really) Nazi sympathisers who are too scared to "protect Nazis". All that together doesn't go good.
  878. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:07 PM
  879. what was my response to you inquiring on the raids? pretty sure I said it was just a raid....
  880. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:07 PM
  881. The "we'll attack them when they get into range". It is in essence disrespecting our protection and saying it doesn't matter. Though now that SIR is dropped, you are free to do that
  882. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:08 PM
  883. ah ok. I see where there was a disconnect
  884. what I said was, I would attack them when/if they came into range. and I said very specifically Federico and Wall
  885. to which, ofc, I'd expect a counter
  886. and I also said that was a looooong way off as our ranges are so different on account of them rerolling or whatever they did when IG went down
  887. so you either misread, misinterpreted, or took it as a threat to you as a leader
  888. which was obviously not the case
  889. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:14 PM
  890. When you have protection as you do, especially someone as... forward as Kosmo, any counter at that point on you I'd expect them to hit us over it.
  891.  
  892. There was perhaps a misunderstand, I don't profess to be perfect and if you have seen anything to that effect you should know that it is not a serious statement. We would like to peace this out and not have any grudge built up or whatever. SIR is no longer under our protection and you can do as you like.
  893. Update is nearly here so time may well be short on this. You cool on peace? Our power may be more... limited shortly, but the offer of possible help with any plans is there still.
  894. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:27 PM
  895. well, I've been wronged
  896. I don't feel comfortable agreeing to peace with RW when we didn't do anything to warrant this show of force
  897. I have told my guys to neither accept or decline peace
  898. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:28 PM
  899. Ummm?
  900. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:29 PM
  901. I've stated my case in perfect in honesty from the start
  902. you failed to recognize that for whatever reason though I was crystal clear on where SGM stood
  903. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:31 PM
  904. It has all been outlined nicely. You may not like it, but this not simply a show where I am fully in the wrong and you're up in the clouds. If there was a misunderstanding and it could have gone better, sorry about that, however lets not try to pin this all on me please.
  905.  
  906. Damage was light, quick, you ultimately have achieved something.
  907.  
  908. Though perhaps I'm misunderstanding again I don't know. You seeing it is in your player's hands? I don't think the whole thing would push them to accepting, especially due to what is coming soon.
  909. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:32 PM
  910. what was achieved on my end other than getting suckerpunched by you after tell you were weren't militarized and if you wanted to counter raiders, then do it? I'm confused
  911. no this is in my hands
  912. not my players
  913. I am the leader of this alliance
  914. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:33 PM
  915. We have dropped SIR. Your point on going after them has been made, doubt any big alliance will sign them on
  916. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:34 PM
  917. and RW suckerpunching us behind defending a raid on an unsavory alliance that absolutely no one will miss?
  918. I"m not trying to be difficult here
  919. I'm trying to negoiate with you in fairness
  920. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:35 PM
  921. We had protection on them. While easy to say "well they're bad people so we'll just drop them now that something has happened", may go fine with yourselve. To most people it doesn't. KT got heat for it, as did Acadia, ironically some of it coming from Kosmo who wanted them dropped himself.
  922. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:35 PM
  923. which is fine. that's not being debated. that's great you dropped SIR but this is about SGM and RW
  924. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:37 PM
  925. Like I said. We're open to helping you out down the line, goodwill here would go nicely.
  926. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:39 PM
  927. Rozalia, I don't want or need your help down the line. Your IC persona is not one I would wish to be associated with and I would not accept anything from you as a favor because I'd never put myself in a position where I would need to thank you or owe you a favor
  928. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:40 PM
  929. Nothing to do with favours. We like doing stuff and are open to it. That is all.
  930. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:41 PM
  931. ok, thanks. that's acknowledged but I imagine SGM will be running in different circles so no need
  932. I will state my case again so that there's no confusion and so that you don't turn around to my protectors and present me in an unwarranted bad light
  933. Roz Wei declared a fullblown war against an irrelevant micro alliance behind what you were told and assured was an isolated and single raid. You had the option to arrange counters on the raiders with no consequence and did not
  934. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:44 PM
  935. I only gave our logs as Guardian was a bit outside all this. They were free to make up their mind on how they looked. Still, I apologise on that.
  936. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:44 PM
  937. That needs to be rectified with me
  938. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:44 PM
  939. You want me to apologise for it?
  940. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:45 PM
  941. An apology for being dramatic and taking out your issues with Fark on me would be nice, sure. But you suckerpunched us when you knew we weren't going to do anything
  942. so I would also like reparations
  943. as this force was on you
  944. and unnecessary
  945. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:46 PM
  946. That would seem unreasonable, the reps, we're not going to be in a state to pay them regardless. In addition... we didn't hit you because it would be easy considering it'd likely bring in, bigger fish as they say
  947. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:47 PM
  948. I don't think it's unreasonable in the least bit. you could've hit us with counters. you didn't. which has prompted bigger fish
  949. that's the issue, Roz. I can't get it more base than that
  950. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:48 PM
  951. Fark is hitting I see
  952. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:48 PM
  953. they're hitting you right now?
  954. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:48 PM
  955. Yup
  956. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:48 PM
  957. I guess he was waiting for me to say we had agreed to a peace arrangement
  958. and we didn't
  959. I haven't even spoken to Kosmo today
  960. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:49 PM
  961. Just one thus far so you can perhaps stop it
  962. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:50 PM
  963. I will stop it when/if we can come to a fair and satisfactory settlement
  964. if it's in my hands
  965. I told you peace being offered is neither being accepted or declined. So SGM is solid there while we're negotiating
  966. don't know what Fark and Guardian are doing but we haven't reached peace and I haven't told them we have
  967. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:51 PM
  968. I'd directly tell them on this
  969. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:52 PM
  970. you said that they told you peace was in my hands and had to be done through me, correct?
  971. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:52 PM
  972. Yeah
  973. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:52 PM
  974. I will tell them we've come to an agreement when we have
  975. and we have not
  976. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:52 PM
  977. Alright
  978. This reps thing really a big deal? If so... how much we talking?
  979. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:53 PM
  980. I have yet to calculate the damage at this point because we're still at war and didn't see a point in doing final numbers until it was resolved
  981. Rozalia - Yesterday at 11:54 PM
  982. We can give a symbolic amount, 50 million or something. Full damages is not possible
  983. Queen M - Yesterday at 11:55 PM
  984. why not? that's the risk you take, isn't it? you declare a war and can't rectify it when it doesn't go your way? that doesn't seem very just
  985. You did this to me
  986. that's like slapping me in the face in front of the world and rubbing my face gently to say sorry
  987. and thinking that's ok
  988. ?
  989. Rozalia - Today at 12:00 AM
  990. Well, seems like Guardian and company too
  991. Queen M - Today at 12:00 AM
  992. I haven't spoken to them since last night
  993. they just want to know when/if we have come to an agreement. I will not reach out to the until we do
  994. Rozalia - Today at 12:01 AM
  995. We're going to get hit by SK so... yeah, this screws us big time
  996. Queen M - Today at 12:01 AM
  997. SK?
  998. Well you hit their protectorate so....
  999. you see how this comes back to you being dramatic?
  1000. you didn't need to hit them either
  1001. Rozalia - Today at 12:02 AM
  1002. Which is fine. It is the fact Guardian hit muddies things
  1003. Makes it harder to fight back
  1004. Queen M - Today at 12:02 AM
  1005. and it made it hard for SGM to fight back when you hit us while not militarized
  1006. Rozalia - Today at 12:04 AM
  1007. Well you are certainly freer to demand these terms. Go on
  1008. Queen M - Today at 12:06 AM
  1009. 1. you need to tell Guardian I wasn't trying to pull something shady with you. That's first.
  1010. Rozalia - Today at 12:06 AM
  1011. Okay
  1012. Queen M - Today at 12:08 AM
  1013. 2. you will need to compensate SGM for the infra hits and the resources we've had to use to defend against Roz Wei. As I've said, we were in no position to war you and this has set our economic plans behind SIGNIFICANTLY
  1014. Rozalia - Today at 12:09 AM
  1015. With SK going to bash us, you are aware we will unlikely be able to fufill this. If it is billion, 500 mil, or whatevet you can forget it too as we can't pay such things
  1016. Queen M - Today at 12:10 AM
  1017. 3. I would like an apology on the forums. your Legend of Roz post ending raids on tTO but coming after SGM for incorrect reasons needs to be stated
  1018. Rozalia - Today at 12:10 AM
  1019. You want... RP changed?
  1020. Queen M - Today at 12:10 AM
  1021. RP?
  1022. Rozalia - Today at 12:10 AM
  1023. Role Play
  1024. Queen M - Today at 12:11 AM
  1025. no no no
  1026. the post you made saying you were coming after us, that's the post I'm referring to
  1027. is that not a Legend of Roz thing?
  1028. Rozalia - Today at 12:11 AM
  1029. Oh, the bit that is in-game stuff.
  1030. Queen M - Today at 12:12 AM
  1031. yes
  1032. let me find it actually
  1033. I talk to Queen M and offer for them to hit the guy they have for a round and then just move on, not push this RL nonsense again. This is turned down. They think that it is acceptable, after all the attempts at showing them goodwill, that it is acceptable to state that they will simply hit the members of SIR whenever they get into range over this RL nonsense. I have been more than reasonable on this matter but it seems that either at their base, or due to their paper, they have no respect for me and Roz Wei.
  1034.  
  1035. As such what is happening has happened. I'm still open to talk, however it should be on better terms now. More respect shown. And hopefully this issue can be resolved. SIR want to move away from even the Roman theme that can be taken as fascistic I know. They want to be left alone by you guys and keep their head down. People have a right to play a game without being harassed. By acting as you have, you are the ones who come off badly here.
  1036. ^^^^^
  1037. this needs to be addressed and rectified
  1038. Rozalia - Today at 12:13 AM
  1039. I can delete that I suppose sure
  1040. The cash stuff though I'd prefer a number now though
  1041. Queen M - Today at 12:14 AM
  1042. no, don't delete it. you need to acknowledge what really happened. I want the truth out there
  1043. 500M
  1044. Rozalia - Today at 12:16 AM
  1045. I just mentioned it to my members. They agree that there is little point in that. May as well just take the hit. We didn't stand up strong to then be made to look weak.
  1046. Queen M - Today at 12:16 AM
  1047. That's unfortunate. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not making unreasonable demands.
  1048. and that's on the cuff since you're insisting on a number now
  1049. Rozalia - Today at 12:18 AM
  1050. You are actually and this goes back to what caused you to be hit to begin with. I really do not care if you have Fark, Guardian, or anyone else. We will not bow down to you when you come in here like that. You do not seem to realise how you come off perhaps.
  1051. Queen M - Today at 12:18 AM
  1052. how am I being unreasonable? you sucker punched us when I told you we weren't coming for you
  1053. Rozalia - Today at 12:19 AM
  1054. You have held this attidude throughout, saying you had some right to hit who we protected when you felt like it. It was a dare, do something and Fark and Guardian will smash you. Well they have now and so you think you can push these unreasonable demands. They won't be met.
  1055. Queen M - Today at 12:21 AM
  1056. I disagree, wholeheartedly and I've told you, ad nauseaum, on how that's incorrect across the board
  1057. all that was needed (and was expected) was a counter. it's really not that deep nor difficult to understand.
  1058. there were no other motives on my end
  1059. but message received and noted
  1060. Rozalia - Today at 12:22 AM
  1061. It will indeed be noted, believe me
  1062. Queen M - Today at 12:25 AM
  1063. If discussions are over, have a good evening. Take care.
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