Puna/Chair convo

Sunday, March 22, 2015
9:14 PM - chairmankao: I had to go to work!
9:15 PM - chairmankao: Either way, I don't see how I can be penalized for not entering a giveaway for a game I own. I'd be suspended for it.
9:16 PM - PunasaurusRex: still its unlike you to comment public, i would expect from you a contact to spydre, myself or anyone else first
9:16 PM - chairmankao: I should have notified you guys ahead of time, though, so you could update the spreadsheet accordingly. My bad on that.
9:16 PM - PunasaurusRex: 2 - at the day i made the giveaway
9:16 PM - PunasaurusRex: list - video provided
9:16 PM - PunasaurusRex: you did not own the item
9:16 PM - PunasaurusRex: and never contacted any mod/admin
9:16 PM - chairmankao: Yes, but I ended up buying a copy before the end of the giveaway. You still wanted me to enter?
9:16 PM - PunasaurusRex: i have spoked to spydre, bigz, crazee, missk, mid
9:17 PM - chairmankao: I get that part.
9:17 PM - PunasaurusRex: yes i do part of the arrangement of the wishlist giveaway
9:17 PM - PunasaurusRex: if you dont want to participate thats fine, i can remove your name from pools
9:17 PM - PunasaurusRex: for any future upon request
9:17 PM - chairmankao: That's not the point.
9:17 PM - chairmankao: The point here is that I bought the game.
9:18 PM - PunasaurusRex: ok so?
9:18 PM - chairmankao: So I couldn't enter even if I wanted to.
9:18 PM - PunasaurusRex: i buy games too, and if its wishlisted i have entered despite owning
9:18 PM - chairmankao: To enter would have put me at odds with Steamgifts rules.
9:18 PM - PunasaurusRex: but at the time the giveaway was made
9:18 PM - PunasaurusRex: you did not own the game
9:18 PM - PunasaurusRex: so u shouldnt have redeemed it then
9:19 PM - chairmankao: No ... I'm sorry, but ELEG does not get to dictate what I redeem and when. That's not appropriate at all.
9:20 PM - chairmankao: Once I realized the game was on discount, I planned to buy it.
9:20 PM - PunasaurusRex: thats fine, but im not going to break the rule of the wishlist
9:20 PM - PunasaurusRex: http://puu.sh/gJC6U/5d8670692d.png
9:20 PM - chairmankao: But I was traveling ALL LAST WEEK.
9:20 PM - PunasaurusRex: eyeburner properly informed you as requested
9:20 PM - chairmankao: And I notified him I was planning to pick up the game.
9:20 PM - PunasaurusRex: he already made the giveaway on your wishlist behalf,
9:21 PM - chairmankao: He had an extra game from a bundle purchase. I hardly see how he's been negatively impacted.
9:21 PM - chairmankao: It's not like anyone else entered either.
9:21 PM - PunasaurusRex: where was it bundled
9:21 PM - chairmankao: Bundle Stars.
9:21 PM - PunasaurusRex: that wasnt a bundle
9:22 PM - PunasaurusRex: essentially was the same price as if it was a steam sale
9:22 PM - PunasaurusRex: not like he bought it
9:22 PM - PunasaurusRex: 1$
9:22 PM - PunasaurusRex: got 10 games
9:22 PM - chairmankao: Difference in terminology. Not intended as indie bundle type of bundle.
9:22 PM - chairmankao: Just meant multi-pack.
9:22 PM - PunasaurusRex: you can buy it on steam as a multipack too?
9:22 PM - chairmankao: It's not like he went out of his way to buy a game for me and was stuck with it.
9:23 PM - chairmankao: Sure ... what's your point?
9:24 PM - chairmankao: Anyway, I think it's unfair that you're penalizing me for wanting to take advantage of a good deal.
9:24 PM - PunasaurusRex: point is from the end of wishlist weekly rule set up - if you dont enter you a lose a point, if you owned the game prior to the picks and some reason the game was not removed then i see where you are coming from, but the giveaway was made
9:25 PM - PunasaurusRex: when you didnt own the item
9:25 PM - chairmankao: It was, likem, No.4 on my wishlist. If the deal is good, pretty reasonable to assume I'd buy it.
9:25 PM - chairmankao: I'm supposed to NOT buy it just because another member has more time and effectively ninjas my right to buy a game?
9:25 PM - chairmankao: I'm sorry, that's ridiculous.
9:26 PM - PunasaurusRex: if u buy or dont buy thats fine with me i dont care, but im not going to break the set rules for it, cause you may end up buying and request i enforce upon another person
9:26 PM - PunasaurusRex: if u put up a wishlist item from someone of the future
9:26 PM - chairmankao: EyE tried to capitalize on a cheap deal to get double points.
9:26 PM - chairmankao: Fair enough for him.
9:27 PM - chairmankao: But I might want to get in on that deal, too. I shouldn't be prevented by ELEG from exercising that right.
9:27 PM - PunasaurusRex: so have other people, but have not had complaints probably
9:27 PM - PunasaurusRex: crazee had a 4$ game last time
9:27 PM - PunasaurusRex: he wanted it, he entered, as part of the wishlist set up
9:28 PM - chairmankao: I think it stands to reason that if someone has a game high up on their wishlist and it goes on significant discount, then that person may want to buy the game.
9:28 PM - PunasaurusRex: you can buy or not buy what you want
9:28 PM - PunasaurusRex: but there was a giveaway made on your behalf
9:29 PM - chairmankao: He had an extra copy.
9:29 PM - PunasaurusRex: so?
9:29 PM - chairmankao: Please don't make it sound like he sacrificed to make the giveaway and I left him stuck with something he can't otherwise get rid of.
9:29 PM - PunasaurusRex: if he can or cant get rid of it thats not my point
9:29 PM - PunasaurusRex: my point is we have done wishlist for now
9:30 PM - PunasaurusRex: since March of 2014
9:30 PM - PunasaurusRex: te rules have not changed
9:30 PM - chairmankao: And if someone else said, hey, I'm not entering since I'm going to pick up a copy for myself, I think that should be acceptable.
9:30 PM - chairmankao: If I didn't buy it, then that's something else.
9:30 PM - PunasaurusRex: This is a wishlist double giveaway - Approved by Spydrebyte
It is #7 from Arukardo's wishlist.
The giver gains 2 pts. Winner Loses 2 points. (CV stays the same)
If Arukardo does not enter, he will lose 1 point.
Recommend only Good status members enter. Probation risk a kick.
9:30 PM - PunasaurusRex: the rules have not changed in over a year, and its not like you are one of the new guys who have just joined
9:31 PM - chairmankao: And if I won a Gauntlet giveaway before EyE's closed?
9:31 PM - chairmankao: Was I not supposed to enter other giveaways as well?
9:31 PM - PunasaurusRex: different story then
9:31 PM - PunasaurusRex: i cant control u randomly getting picked
9:31 PM - chairmankao: No, I acquired the game via means other than EyE's giveaway.
9:32 PM - chairmankao: Same difference.
9:32 PM - PunasaurusRex: buying and controlling to redeem
9:32 PM - PunasaurusRex: winning by random chance, and having to redeem
9:32 PM - PunasaurusRex: not really the same on my end
9:33 PM - chairmankao: I'm disturbed that group rules should dictate what I can and cannot redeem.
9:34 PM - chairmankao: Again, it was a great deal. Another member shouldn't be allowed to ninja my right to buy my own games.
9:34 PM - PunasaurusRex: whatever you want to think chair, im sorry it makes you unhappy - but you have entered wishlist items before, even won some knowing there were set of rules and comments
9:35 PM - PunasaurusRex: its not like we magically threw in a new rule in the past 5mins
9:35 PM - PunasaurusRex: http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/NmGyb/ikaruga
9:35 PM - PunasaurusRex: 7 months ago, a wishlist u won
9:35 PM - chairmankao: And none of those games were on lowest-ever discount.
9:35 PM - PunasaurusRex: rule is there
9:36 PM - chairmankao: And made for me.
9:36 PM - PunasaurusRex: so i should make an exemption any time its the "lowest ever discount"?
9:37 PM - chairmankao: If someone buys it themselves, then they should be exempt from entry, yes.
9:37 PM - chairmankao: I'm just saying that if the game is super cheap and very high on one's wishlist, pretty reasonable if they buy that game for themselves.
9:37 PM - PunasaurusRex: yea, im not going to do that
9:38 PM - PunasaurusRex: essentially you saying - for any giveaway some one preemptively makes for another for wishlist
9:38 PM - PunasaurusRex: i should allow the wishlistee to say "eff off mate, you bought it but im just going to buy it too"
9:39 PM - chairmankao: I might think differently if someone spent a lot or picked up a game just for me.
9:39 PM - chairmankao: But he didn't, so I'm not going to go out on a limb to hold off on activating it.
9:39 PM - PunasaurusRex: so you want people to only spend max money and buy the items of most value for you?
9:39 PM - chairmankao: So I don't think it's an "eff you" type of situation.
9:40 PM - chairmankao: No, but if someone did that, I would feel personally obligated to enter.
9:40 PM - PunasaurusRex: but essentially you just said
9:41 PM - PunasaurusRex: you were too good for anything not maxed value/high value
9:41 PM - chairmankao: No, I'm saying that I would never leave someone holding an item they spent a lot to acquire just for me. That would be shitty.
9:42 PM - chairmankao: I've never backed out of a deal like that.
9:42 PM - PunasaurusRex: but your ok if all of a sudden its "lowest price ever"
9:43 PM - PunasaurusRex: so fable anniversary goes on sale again at the cheapest price ever like it did 2-3 wks ago
9:43 PM - PunasaurusRex: ur not going to enter right, cause ur just going to buy
9:43 PM - chairmankao: If EyE bought it especially for me, different situation. He bought a multi-pack at a great discount, and it stands to reason that I'd want to pick it up myself. Tough.
9:43 PM - PunasaurusRex: but i could say that about any game on sale on ur wishlist
9:43 PM - PunasaurusRex: tough
9:44 PM - chairmankao: Also, in my interpretation, I mean when someone goes pretty much as low as it will ever go in price.
9:44 PM - chairmankao: Fable will still drop.
9:44 PM - chairmankao: Just clarifying.
9:44 PM - chairmankao: *something
9:44 PM - PunasaurusRex: so essentially someone posts world of dying
9:44 PM - PunasaurusRex: owe it will be 5$ one day
9:44 PM - PunasaurusRex: so im not going to enter
9:45 PM - PunasaurusRex: *diving
9:45 PM - PunasaurusRex: thats essentially what ur saying now when ur saying lowest drop
9:45 PM - PunasaurusRex: anyway
9:45 PM - PunasaurusRex: ur not even on probation
9:45 PM - PunasaurusRex: i havent had a full weekend off in 12 wks
9:45 PM - PunasaurusRex: so i havent even went through and finished my promise
9:45 PM - chairmankao: I may buy, I may not. I don't know. But if I choose to buy it, I think it's reasonable not to be penalized.
9:45 PM - PunasaurusRex: of giving a few p points
9:46 PM - chairmankao: No worries on that. We're all busy to varying degrees. That's a separate matter.
9:46 PM - PunasaurusRex: and i dont think so, and its not what has been done for a over a year
9:46 PM - chairmankao: I'm just not pleased that according to ELEG WL rules, I am prevented from making my own purchase / activation decisions.
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: you can buy what you want
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: you can activate what you want
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: but im not going to be like
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: hey john
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: you bought paul a game
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: but screw that
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: he doesnt want it now
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: to me doesnt matter what the game is
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: can be from a pack
9:47 PM - PunasaurusRex: can be from russia
9:48 PM - PunasaurusRex: can be from a sale bin at the local target
9:48 PM - PunasaurusRex: it was purchased
9:48 PM - PunasaurusRex: with the attempt to give it away to someone who had reqeusted it
9:48 PM - chairmankao: Then he could have asked.
9:49 PM - PunasaurusRex: why? hes going off your wishlist
9:49 PM - PunasaurusRex: one would assume, you want an item from ur wishlist
9:49 PM - chairmankao: That wishlist if PRIMARILY my own tracking tool.
9:49 PM - chairmankao: Not for ELEG.
9:49 PM - chairmankao: I understand there's an overlap, but it's mainly for my own uses.
9:50 PM - PunasaurusRex: well then what i can do is create a separate excel sheet, for people to post what they want in their top 20
9:50 PM - PunasaurusRex: and thats is what i can offer
9:51 PM - PunasaurusRex: but there in lines more problems
9:51 PM - chairmankao: I may buy things on my own wishlist.
9:51 PM - chairmankao: Again, I seriously doubt EyE bought that for me.
9:52 PM - chairmankao: He bought it and saw that it was on my wishlist.
9:52 PM - chairmankao: Different scenario as the "woe is me" tale you're describing.
9:52 PM - chairmankao: *from
9:52 PM - chairmankao: (Not "as".)
9:52 PM - PunasaurusRex: to me a game is a game - if its 2.99$ or 59.99
9:53 PM - chairmankao: Again, if someone made a separate purchase just for me, that's a completely different situation.
9:53 PM - chairmankao: I don't disagree. I just mean that if the price is low and the game is in my top five, it's not unreasonable to expect that I might buy it for myself.
9:54 PM - chairmankao: Please stop twisting my words to mean that I only expect people to pay shit-tons of money for me.
9:54 PM - chairmankao: That's just rude.
9:56 PM - PunasaurusRex: well, im not going to break a rule that we have had and have enforced on a few others since the beginning of wishlist, , if it makes you unhappy that is fine, we dont require anyone to participate in wishlist - people are welcome to participate in surveys and request not to be chosen - spydre has done it, missk has done it once, and i have reiterated in my newesst post
9:57 PM - PunasaurusRex: if you like the other admins/mods to weigh in their opinions, that is fine with me, i can let them vote/decide as well