GDT 15
Finals
Mik vs Guy

I copied a lot of keypoints down that I considered important to the overall argument. Scroll down as this is all more for me than it is for you.

Round 1
Mik
* My team is instantly lethal in range and nigh-incontestable in melee. These facts are based on very basic factors ever-present throughout the fight.
* This is the only other ranged attack in the round and it is useless. Remember, Nemesis can either die to a shot/Choke/shock before ever firing or else lose the weapon to RoboCop hitting it at any point he wants. But even if it fires it does nothing.
* Roberta's starting actions are severely limited when she has no capacity to evade people as accurate as Robo/Palp. If she starts by shooting she can't defend herself, if she starts by defending herself she cannot do so effectively enough to matter, and even if she obtained cover she would not leverage that advantage.
* Fatman's been argued in all past rounds to just raise his gun and start shooting upon spawn. This isn't really consistent.
* My opponent's go-to every round has been to argue Scorpion teleblitzes. As mentioned above, it's unlikely he'd do this fast enough to avoid Robo/Palp killing him since he never initiates a fight that way.
* My team's melee offenses are instantly lethal on any contact with the opposition. Most of these are attacks against which they have no defense.
* In particular, Nemesis deserves some attention here because, as evidenced above, his only ranged attack barely accomplishes anything even against human opponents, and it's so easily destroyed by RoboCop that a melee fight is almost a necessity for him to produce a win con.
* Bottom line, this match ends as soon as RoboCop fires or Palpatine twitches his hand.
* To contest that, I'm fully expecting my opponent to instead propose my characters ignore straightforward simple options even an idiot on a keyboard can tell are advisable. His mischaracterizations will likely ignore my stipulations, or misconstrue plot-based elements he takes out of context, or else just fly contrary to common sense because it seems funny.

Guy
* Quickdraw vs Slowdraw
* **He literally, LITERALLY, does not have a feat for force choking somebody he is actively engaged in combat with. There is negative reason to assume it is even something he would try to do in combat.**
* At the start of the fight Palpatine and Doc Ock will die instantly, and Wolverine will be severely injured or removed from the fight outright.
* Nemesis is durable due to his ability to regenerate. He also has a rocket launcher and is very strong. This combination essentially makes him unbeatable for the enemy team.
* The opposing team is insanely bad at killing and not getting killed by Scorpion
* Roberta and Fatman  are accurate and use it as opening moves
* Robocop is profoundly bad at establishing ranged dominance with any degree of urgency. Which is especially bad if he is the only viable ranged option on the team.
* The Emperor's weakness is overconfidence
* **The thing that will be frustrating about this argument is that it is like, kind of true in some circumstances, and my opponent is going to use that as a wedge to say it's true in all circumstances. I'll give examples of what I mean.**
* There is no scene where Palpatine is in a meaningful fight with somebody and he opens with lightning or choke and kills them. There are a plethora of scenes where he draws swords and does melee. There is 0 reason to assume he acts in a way he literally never has in canon across a multitude of canon fights.
* Nemesis is not bulletproof, he is durable because he can heal. Robocop is not a threat to him.
* From the start, my team can act significantly sooner than the enemy team can. 3/4ths of the enemy team cannot handle the damage my team puts out from range.

Mik
* every feat he ever gets in these 8 gifs. None of them show he acts as proposed or fires upon spawn.
* Roberta also never initiates a fight by spraying gunfire, her accuracy is ass, and her survival depends on her opponents' behavior and accuracy being even more ass.
* RoboCop Is Unpiercable
* Not only does this make his teleblitz horrible for initiative, it magnifies Palpatine's ability to psychically predict it.
* On multiple occasions, my opponent ignores my stipulations to cite feats that do not exist for tourney Palpatine. This is exactly what I meant in R1.
* Under that assumption, Palpatine will do anything that he can, so our sole concern becomes demonstrating what he can or can't do.
* Wolverine Is Unkillable
* Since there's no way for TNA to defend against Wolverine's claws, my opponent instead argues he exclusively opts for "shallow slashing and stabbing."
* My win cons remain largely uncontested, because the vast majority of my opponent's attention went to wouldn'ts rather than couldn'ts.
* If you buy the logic that IC behavior hurts my team's quickdraw, then you must buy that the same logic hurts TNA worse. If you believe both teams act simultaneously, then Robo/Palp's killshots are faster, more accurate, more lethal. Robo/Wolv survive any shootout, and the addition of Palp or Ock just makes an already certain victory more certain.

Guy
* **He has done this throughout this argument because his team has no solid counter to Roberta and Fatman whatsoever. He is the one who needs to argue my team "wouldn't" do an obviously effective strategy**
* Instead, what I am asking is how fast can Robocop actually acquire targets and start shooting. He is completely reliant on his targeting system and scanners to shoot, and that clearly adds time that my team just does not have to contend with.
* Weird how he only became overconfident at the start of ROTJ and was never overconfident at any point beforehand.
* Isn't it convenient for my opponent that literally every instance of Palpatine using his force choke or force lightning involves some kind of machination. Like again, he has exactly one feat of force choking in active combat and it is in an illusion.
* He also says that force choking stops you from counterattacking, this is like clearly not true right. You can, very famously, move your hands when getting force choked
* **At best this proves Palpatine can shoot gigantic objects from range. It has little to no solvency on human sized targets.**
* Roberta and Fatman will fire at the start of the fight. Doc Ock and Palpatine will go down instantly, and Wolverine is exceedingly likely to also go down. Robocop cannot win a 1v4
* Palpatine's lightsaber will only do superficial damage to Nemesis, and Nemesis can bonk him in one hit. If Palpatine attempts to restrain him, he can use a tentacle. Free cheese
* Wolverine will not super reliably damage Nemesis with his claws because Nemesis can regen. Even if he is attacking as efficiently as possible.
* I go "ok he is out of a fight and teleports into it and attacks" and Mik goes "oho, not so fast, this is a fight that has already started, so it does not fulfill my genie-like condition." The flashback Mik talks about is because this is the first time he is using his fire powers since being revived. It does not happen in any other instance.
* Mik's Tricks have no real response to teleportation
* There has not been 1 scan of 1 single time that either of these characters started a fight by immediately pulling the trigger. We've only ever seen evidence to the contrary
* None of the feats of RoboCop provably firing a quickdraw and doing so accurately have been engaged with. Instead, Guy has been talking around them to propose a limitation that does not exist. Let's reiterate the ones he ignored entirely:
* Have you been paying attention to the offenses proposed against RoboCop? They're subtle and barely there, but let's look at everything with evidence attached to it.
* The efficacy of the Force Choke and Force Lightning are largely uncontested. These are instant, unavoidable, simultaneous, multi-target incaps. Guy's been arguing so insistently that Palp won't do this because the result of Palp opening the fight with range, or utilizing it in any scenario, is devastating to TNA's chance
* Wolverine literally cannot die in this fight, keeps healing through all damage done to him, and is instantly lethal to anyone with whom he makes contact.
* TNA literally cannot damage RoboCop, physically cannot keep Wolverine down, any delay in killing Palpatine has him instantly 4/4 them, and upon spawn Ock provides cover and counterattacks that bolsters his allies' defenses. Even TNA's ideal scenario of firing immediately provides a thin chance of any incaps, and anything that occurs besides or after that is devastating to their team.


**Verdict**:
I am gonna be real guys, this was maybe one of my least favorite finals to read in a long time. There seemed to be a lot of talking past each other, doubling-down on points over evolving them, a ton of "GOTCHA" attitude, and some interpretations that seemed stonewalling to the point it ceases to really make sense. My general opinions of the characters are as follows:

* Palpatine *might* initiate a force choke. This is something I think is logical and reasonable to do. But his characterization is also that he's cocky, egotistical and a sadist who might gimp himself to just play with his food more.

* Robocop is a straight shooter but he may not default to headshots like Mik suggests.

* There's no way in hell Ock actually provides the degree of protection Mik is suggesting, especially from Guy's team which involves people with machineguns and miniguns

* Wolverine is pretty good, I don't really buy Guy's arguments of "shallow cuts".

* Scorpion does teleport as argued, and Mik's argument about "but technically the fight already started!" feels like a stonewall rather than a legitimate interpretation.

* The one accuracy feat of Nemesis seems brought up and then not contested. I think however he's a good damage sponge and soak.

* Fatman seems good.

* Roberta seems good.

Overall I think Guy's team retains more solid basis of success than Mik's team. In terms of who defended their team, and subsequently a lot of their behavior and efficacy more I think is Guy while Mik had more mixed results. Guy is the overall winner.