Mabus tries philosophy/communication

Mabus: Do you enjoy philosophy.
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@Mabus
ulianov.... too much talking at us
fiete i hate philosophy :)
i mean it has its place... but i prefer direct experimentation to wordsmithing
its like math
you can create a mathematical formula to prove spherical cows exist in a vacuum
but they dont
that is that they can exist in a vacuum
but they dont
+Fiete
Mabus: How do you resolve if 'Action X' is correct, then?
@Infradead
Prefering direct experimentation to so-called wordsmithing is a philosophy, Mabus.
@Mabus
fiete.... it depends on the context.... correct in what context?
infra... it is... science is a philosophy absolutely
@Infradead
There is no philosophy-free science; there is only science ignorant of its philosophical presumptions.
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Mabus: For example, I claim the concept of 'ban evading' is mostly incoherent.
How would you respond using direct experimentation.
@Mabus
well that depends on intent doesn't it
a ban can be improperly set and let banned users in without them even knowing they are banned
thats not evasion
or they can deliberately evade the ban
context is everything
ulianov.. last warning... you are talking to yourself... we dont allow extended speeches
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Mabus: I agree that if the initial bad is valid and still active, we can imagine a scenario in which the ban is improperly applied.
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@Mabus
no.. you've been droning on for an hour about a subject no one is talking about.... stop it
+Fiete
In that case, a person could be in here and the filter should be adjusted.
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@Mabus
i am not interested in your diagram
change the topic
i am in the mood to have bbq chicken tonight :)
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Fiete: Do you agree that in Western criminal justice, most crimes have a finite punishment period.
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@Mabus
just dead :P
fiete.... no actually... most punishments are subjective
+Fiete
Also, do you agree that principle should guide ban decisions in here, even though those systems are legally binding.
@Mabus
not really no
+Fiete
Mabus: Whether punishments are subjective appears to be orthogonal to my question.
@Mabus
we're a dynamic irc channel... not a judicial system
i'm an orthogonal kind of guy
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Mabus: You earlier said you prefer direct experimentation to wordsmithing.
@Mabus
in the context of philosophy yes
truth claims need experimentation
+Fiete
The legal systems represent centuries and millennia of experimentation with humans responding to each other
It makes sense for them to be our guides, that we can deviate from in at least some cases
@Mabus
so?
+Fiete
So?
@Mabus
fiete.. by that logic.... we should use rigid political systems for everything we do... like picking a movie :P
+Fiete
Interesting.
(You are not reading my posts with precision)
@Mabus
i'm not trying to :)
+Fiete
I think you don't have the ability.
@Mabus
maybe not :)
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"It makes sense for them to be our guides, that we can deviate from in at least some cases "
@Mabus
then you should give up on me :)
+Fiete
Mabus: I think I should give up on you for nuanced philosophy, agreed.
* Mabus nods
+Fiete
So, in that sentence, I explicitly recommend we deviate from these systems "in at least some cases"
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@Mabus
science is the only philosophy i care for
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Your response: "fiete.. by that logic.... we should use rigid political systems for everything we do... like picking a movie :P "
You include the modifier "rigid"
@Mabus
fiete... irc is one of those cases :)
+Fiete
You include the clause "for everything we do"
Which directly contradicts "deviate from in at least some cases"
Ignoring Mabus!*@*
+Fiete
I'm going to take a break from our conversation at this time, Mabus