<jayne> How can I help you?
<gribo4ki> i would like my cloak to be changed
<gribo4ki> people see it and think i am a troll :p
<jayne> no
<gribo4ki> i even got banned once just for this cloak
<gribo4ki> ...
<gribo4ki> people have no idea that i just like playing wow and have 90lvl troll shaman there
<gribo4ki> so i would really like to change it to avoid more bans for the cloak
<jayne> you've gone through quite a few different nicks; I think for the sanity of everyone you should stick with this one for a while.
<jayne> If you want to change it in a few months, we can reconsider then.
<gribo4ki> i got banned for this cloak 2 days ago
<gribo4ki> i will be banned on all channels during this "few months"...
<gribo4ki> what is a problem to change my cloak?
<gribo4ki> i'm sorry i just haven't realised it would cause bans
<gribo4ki> i thought it was a good cloak
<jayne> we don't like to change cloaks frequently, and even less so when there are bans based on this cloak. Changing your cloak would make those bans ineffective.
<gribo4ki> i won't join the channel i was banned from
<gribo4ki> i just don't want to get more bans on other channels for nothing
<jayne> Try asking again in a few months, then
<gribo4ki> ok, how can i chat during this few months?
<gribo4ki> people see my cloak and think i am a troll
<jayne> what would stop you from chatting?
<gribo4ki> ignoring/banning
<gribo4ki> due to cloak
<jayne> I don't think most channels would think that way
<gribo4ki> i'm afraid to join channels after last ban
<gribo4ki> well, i thought so too
<gribo4ki> now i'm non-grata on one good channel
<gribo4ki> for having such cloak
<jayne> what channel?
<gribo4ki> #archlinux-ru
<gribo4ki> i haven't said anything at all
<gribo4ki> amigo just banned me
<jayne> Did you try talking to the channel founder?
<gribo4ki> i'm sure the cloak is the cause
<gribo4ki> yes, he said he doesn't care
<gribo4ki> seems like there are much trolls complaining about #archlinux-ru to him
<gribo4ki> and he is tired of that
<jayne> It seems you're out of luck, then.
<gribo4ki> why can't you just change my cloak and solve all my problems?
<gribo4ki> what will be the problem?
<jayne> changing your cloak wouldn't solve your problem, as even if I changed it, you promised you wouldn't join that channel.
<gribo4ki> this is not the only channel i use
<jayne> And it would create the new problems of allowing you to evade bans that were intended to target you.
<gribo4ki> i just don't want any more bans
<gribo4ki> ok, so you think this is fair?
<gribo4ki> that i was banned for cloak and now must not join any other channel?
<gribo4ki> to avoid more bans?
<jayne> You can join any channel where you're not banned.
<gribo4ki> yes, but there is a possibility to have ban there
<jayne> And in nearly all of them, I expect you would not be banned based on cloak alone
<gribo4ki> i'm not sure about it
<gribo4ki> so, can i say goodbye to freenode?
<jayne> we can't force you to be here, but I think it's foolish to change your actions on the basis of something that happened just in #archlinux-ru
<jayne> That channel seems to attract more than the usual share of drama, so it's not a good baseline for anything.
<gribo4ki> i can't join any channel if there is a risk just to be banned
<gribo4ki> because i won't ban evade
<gribo4ki> so, there is a possibility that i won't be able to chat on channel ever
<gribo4ki> i can't go for such risk
<jayne> there's a risk to be banned at any time, regardless of whether you're cloaked or not, and regardless of whether you even join a channel or not.
<gribo4ki> word "troll" in cloak increases this risk greatly
<jayne> I disagree, with the possible exception of #archlinux-ru
<gribo4ki> ok, what if i will be banned from somewhere else?
<gribo4ki> will you then change my cloak?
<gribo4ki> or will it be fair too?
<jayne> No. I said, we'll reconsider changing your cloak in a few months, if you don't seem to have been a problem in the interim.
<gribo4ki> what about the bans i may receive during this few months?
<gribo4ki> will i have to forget about these channels?
<jayne> If you get banned because of your cloak alone, then message the op or channel founder and talk to them about why you were banned.
<gribo4ki>  i tried to talk to amigo
<gribo4ki> he ignores me
<gribo4ki> and ioni doesn't care
<gribo4ki> so, #archlinux-ru is no more for me
<jayne> If you were banned purely because of your cloak, then explain why you chose that cloak, and how the ban is an unfair ban based on appearance.
<jayne> I don't see how I can make this any more clear: #archlinux-ru is an exception
<gribo4ki> amigo isn't answering me and ioni doesn't care about #archlinux-ru bans
<gribo4ki> what exception?
<jayne> an exception from the rational process that predominates elsewhere
<gribo4ki> what do you mean?
<jayne> I mean you shouldn't judge everything else on freenode based on your experience in #archlinux-ru
<gribo4ki> what is special about #archlinux-ru that other channels do not have?
<gribo4ki> it's an ordinary channel
<jayne> what's "special" about it are the people running it
<jayne> it's not representative of how most other channels operate
<gribo4ki> never noticed anything unusual there
<gribo4ki> except for cloak-based banning, but it isn't very unusual
<jayne> you are trying to exptrapolate from what happened on that channel to what might possibly happen on other channels, and that is simply an incorrect extrapolation.
<jayne> if you get married tomorrow, it would be foolish of me to extrapolate that you had zero spouses today, and one spouse tomorrow, and will therefore have 60 spouses two months from now.
<jayne> Just because something happened to you in #archlinux-ru, does not mean that same thing will happen in other channels.
<gribo4ki> it is quite possible that some other operators will be alarmed by word "troll" in my cloak
<gribo4ki> it won't be unusual
<jayne> see, now you're saying two months from now I'll have 60 spouses