Mercury's Type Me

Spacey - 10/11/2017
This is the typing channel for the anonymous Mercury. Any and all input welcome and appreciated.
Q is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HUXC_JuzFC6J_4HejCwDRRCSsmGb7fAePER9_7ru4sA/edit?usp=sharing
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Your Enneagram Plus Questionnaire Results 10/03/2017 The following are the results from your Enneagram questionnaire. We will use the answers collected to create a type me channel for you on Discord. Our process is entirely anonymous at first to remove any biases people who know you ma...

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Brainy Bear - 10/11/2017
Ill do a full typing later when I have more time and focus(edited)
So far I see 8w7ish traits
pho - 10/11/2017
I'm going to agree with 8w7 here.
in terms of trifix and  IVs, I'm seeing evidence for a 6 headfix
unsure of heart, 4 or 2. Leaning 2
and So blind
864 makes more sense, triple reactive
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah, this is super reactive
I want to make the problems they cause for other people personal. phew
pho - 10/11/2017
I do that but its only for those that hurts loved one, that ^ was said as a blanket statement
Spacey - 10/11/2017
I just keep learning the basic ideas of something, getting hungry for more, and immediately moving on to the next big idea. This leaves me feeling empty and chasing knowledge once again, perpetuating the cycle. I hate feeling ignorant. The hole's not just a hole, but also a sign that I'm unaware of something that could be important
Something I actually relate to a lot, haha. Seems 8w7, could maaaaaybe see some 5, but like, wanting that knowledge because you don't want to be caught off guard or whatever could go either way.
obviously not very far yet, haha
Worse still, I could be getting led along like a sheep. It sickens me to think about this.
Yeh. Dat need to handle yourself.
pho - 10/11/2017
it falls under 8w7 expansion, lust and gluttony, that's the section that leans me towards a 6fix
Spacey - 10/11/2017
I can get stuck in listless periods of wandering, knowing there's more out there but not knowing how to escape my situation and chase after it. I hate feeling like this. It can also happen emotionally, where I'll get stuck in a feeling for a while and become effectively useless as it overcomes me.
Seems pretty 7 + 4.
pho - 10/11/2017
8x4
Spacey - 10/11/2017
multiplying now?
damn
pho - 10/11/2017
listen
8w7 XwX 4wX
Spacey - 10/11/2017
Sometimes I put on masks and become somebody else temporarily as an act of self-exploration. It doesn't feel fraudulent to do this though, since I'm only expressing a different aspect of myself than what is usually seen by others.
3 or 4?
pho - 10/11/2017
authenticity is still the core
I think
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah, that's how it reads to me
first sentence, no, but the elaboration, yeah
although
yeah
still
with the emphasis on self-exploration
pho - 10/11/2017
if anything 4w3
for a fix
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeh
so far sounds right
I hate being naive, weak, cowardly, ignorant, submissive, and numb. My external image and internal pursuit is the opposite of all this. I also hate just agreeing with people on stuff, my impulse is to disagree and be an outlier. One of the things that bothers me the most is the idea that I'm eating up propaganda and ideology and being controlled by it without knowing.
The 8 memememe
pho - 10/11/2017
leather jacket and sunglasses nothing personnel kid
the paranoia there
Spacey - 10/11/2017
It's not like I'm playing to their expectations just because, but it's difficult to change how they see me even if I begin acting differently. I don't want to deal with all the "this is so unlike you, what's changed???" that would come with it. Better to wait until I get to a different place with all new people.
:Lthonk:
pho - 10/11/2017
I could be controlled and not know it
is whats pushing me towards 6
for headfix
Spacey - 10/11/2017
I need to stop insistently looking for Jac's nonstop questioning of people to justify 6 in people, lmao
she's tainted me
pho - 10/11/2017
so, their resoning for not adapting is to avoid others commenting on proverbial changes of vharacter
I think this supports triple reactive
remove the stimulus
Spacey - 10/11/2017
side note, this is a good q(edited)
might want to use it as an example
pho - 10/11/2017
yeah
Spacey - 10/11/2017
and yeah, that's a valid point
I'm only on question 6, but this is obviously an 8w7 core
just prodding more for fixes now, but I can see triple reactive
I chose C first because I want to positively change society and protect other people from harm.
Mebe some so.
Anxiety quickly turns into energy for me. I lose myself in activities and people to keep my mind off it. As soon as I feel it creep in, I reassert my own strength and move on to the next topic.
Dem relatable feels.
pho - 10/11/2017
sx/so?
Spacey - 10/11/2017
My strategy is to keep moving in one way or another. I'll either take some kind of action, or focus on something else. It can build up and spill over onto other people though.
Some 8 + 7, but mebe just wing.
Maybe
pho - 10/11/2017
alright I found something pretty noteworthy
Spacey - 10/11/2017
quote away
pho - 10/11/2017
I've struggled with trusting myself because I can easily see how much potential I have to be
an awful person. I know my hatred and impulses well, and have a hard time believing I'm truly a good
person. I also know that not as strong as I need to be to handle life. Growing up, I had somebody try to
make me feel weak and afraid. I hate it. I refuse to let it define me.
without a doubt 8. so this highlights the core 8 dillema
the need for control extends to control itself
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah, I stopped quoting 8 shit because it's very obvious
Feeling trapped kills me because I'm so aware of my own mortality. Any time I'm not using fully is gone forever, and every second takes me one step closer to death. If I'm not making the most of it then I'm wasting the only life I know I have. Dwelling on this knowledge makes me extremely angry.
P 7
Spacey - 10/11/2017
but like the awareness of it reads kinda 4
pho - 10/11/2017
'I refuse to let it define me' yet paradoxically it has defined them
Spacey - 10/11/2017
like the way they talk about it
yeah, exactly
I'll find a way to get what I want if I can do it in an ethical way.
Hm.

pho - 10/11/2017
they know unethical methods turn people like themselves
I take similar approach
Spacey - 10/11/2017
"turn people like themselves"?
pho - 10/11/2017
i.e. this person knows their violence, to use unethical means breeds resentment, you harm others. hurt people hurt other people. they want to remove themselves and others from this vicious cycle(edited)
Spacey - 10/11/2017
ah, I see
this person also seems like an Se ego, haha
pho - 10/11/2017
its why I suggested 2 fix earlier
Spacey - 10/11/2017
Se ego + 8 ultimate meme
faurawa_vialon - 10/11/2017
SLE?
Spacey - 10/11/2017
not sure
not really looking for it
pho - 10/11/2017
its indecisive
Spacey - 10/11/2017
When I see a red flag pop up on somebody, I'll start pressuring them to open up about their stance completely. There's a lot of bigots around and I know how to recognize them.
This seems almost so 6
pho - 10/11/2017
yeah
faurawa_vialon - 10/11/2017
6w7?
Spacey - 10/11/2017
I'm thinking 8w7 6w7 and idk about heart, but probably 4
some so somewhere, idk about sp or sx tbh
Evo - 10/11/2017
Anger: it was a tossup between this and violence as my top choice, but ultimately my violent urges stem from my anger. People set me off easily, even if it doesn't show on the outside, and when they do it's hard for me to hold back. I get in arguments all the time because it, even if I don't want to be sucked in. Then I have to carry around all this hatred that eats me from the inside. I often globalize my anger as well, where I'll be set off by one incident of oppression or abuse and then turn that into anger at the whole world for being cruel and unjust.

Do 8s try to hold back?
I'd say this is so dom stuff
pho - 10/11/2017
I'm seeing 6 fix. I'd argue 874 but 864 makes more sense, reactive truth teller, pushing people violently over their ideological foundations
faurawa_vialon - 10/11/2017
Wew triple reactive
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah, this is very reactive
pho - 10/11/2017
8s know how dangerous anger is, we see it destroy ourselves and others
Spacey - 10/11/2017
but I am wondering about the heart fix since they do seem to hold back quite a bit
but I guess it's like what you and Brad were talking about yesterday
just kinda learning to work with the anger
Evo - 10/11/2017
i think all gut types think their anger is dangerous
Spacey - 10/11/2017
were you seeing sx somewhere specifically, fa?
or just general vibe kinda thing
Evo - 10/11/2017
9s don't explode but when they do it's like 10 years later and it can destroy relationships and stuff
same with 1s

pho - 10/11/2017
yeah, unrestrained 8 anger. if they didnt restrain themselves at times, they wouldn't be typing this questiinaire
Evo - 10/11/2017
when I get angry at people it quickly turns physical. I feel it in my whole body and want to strike back, to punish them, to make them pay. I want to make the problems they cause for other people personal.

do 8s try to punish people?
pho - 10/11/2017
yes
sadidtic tendencies
Evo - 10/11/2017
hm alrighty :thinking:
pho - 10/11/2017
sadistic
Evo - 10/11/2017
curious how that differs from 1ness
pho - 10/11/2017
naranjo says 8s correspond with sadomasochism(edited)
Evo - 10/11/2017
specifically sx1
or so1
Spacey - 10/11/2017
21) If you had to give up one thing for the promise of happiness it would be:
-My awareness of who I am and what I desire.
-My current object of intrigue.
-My sensitivities and the attempts by others to help me.

Answer: My current object of intrigue.

Please tell us why you chose this answer:
Explanation: The second option is the least bad. I'd never choose the first. I need my sense of self and refuse to compromise it.

Seems pretty 4 here, yeah.
Evo - 10/11/2017
sadism vs ?
pho - 10/11/2017
there is no versus, 8s embody sadism
Evo - 10/11/2017
i can agree sadism is 8ness, but isn't it usually from a different place than punishment?
Spacey - 10/11/2017
but dunno if it really translates to sx since they just picked it by process of elimination lmao
Evo - 10/11/2017
i meant like sadism vs correction
or something like that~
Spacey - 10/11/2017
well, for this person it's like more standing up for themselves
not really "I hate what you're doing even though it doesn't impact me and lemme punish you"
pho - 10/11/2017
@Spacey I think quote is just general 8
8s control reign over themselves, desires and thoughts etc(edited)
Spacey - 10/11/2017
I don't plan to write an ethical thesis here. I know when people are being oppressive, abusive, and bigoted. I know when they're abusing power and stripping people of their dignity and autonomy. I know I can stand against it.
Some more so poking through.
I'm actually thinking so/sp, unless someone can show me some gud sx.
Evo - 10/11/2017
ok, see that makes sense, re: the reaction/standing up for themself
Spacey - 10/11/2017
And I just missed it.
pho - 10/11/2017
I dont see much sp
Spacey - 10/11/2017
I finished. Current diagnosis 8w7 6w7 4w....5, I wanna say y/so so/y idk hard to tell
pho - 10/11/2017
4w5?
hmm
Spacey - 10/11/2017
mebe, I guess the one thing I quoted earlier has some 3 flavor
but there's some random 5yness that pokes through
I'm gonna read up on 4w5 again though
pho - 10/11/2017
I'd say 8w7 6w5 4w3
Spacey - 10/11/2017
hm, could see
pho - 10/11/2017
troubleshooting, paranoia, prodding
Evo - 10/11/2017
6fix for sure
lol the gluttony wasn't even about regular gluttonous things lmao
it was about knowledge LOL
Spacey - 10/11/2017
there's just a lot of 7 in this for me, but yeah
yeah, hahaha
it was great
I loved this q
pho - 10/11/2017
tfw I thought I was 8w7
I'm having trouble with instincts
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah, hard to discern from this
but it has been with all these
pho - 10/11/2017
for this person
Spacey - 10/11/2017
maybe need to work in some more questions for that, idk
or maybe I just suck at picking it up lol
pho - 10/11/2017
I'll give another read

Spacey - 10/11/2017
Many 4w5s have an unflinching "this is me so deal with it" persona that's harder and crustier in comparison to 4w3s.
But that could just be 8 flavor, rip.
Their persona serves more to redirect their shame away from their vulnerable self behind it in contrast to the 4w3 whose more shapeshifting persona facilitates relating to people.
I mean they did talk about doing the latter, so I guess 4w3 does work.
They accept being isolated from others and are personally invested in their self-image enough to stick with it through thick and thin.
Although :hyperkittythink:
pho - 10/11/2017
4w5 has an innate awareness of formlessness
but that's as core fix
it would be much more subdued as 3rd fix
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah
Evo - 10/11/2017
hmmm :thinking:
number 5,6, and 7 answers are very superego
7 especially
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah some so 6 coming through
pho - 10/11/2017
alright I found my sx support
​You​ ​could​ ​say​ ​I​ ​have​ ​a​ ​lust
for​ ​violence​ ​and​ ​domination,​ ​which​ ​for​ ​me​ ​are​ ​cousins​ ​with​ ​intense​ ​sexuality.​ ​It​ ​feels​ ​good​ ​to
impose​ ​my​ ​will​ ​on​ ​people​ ​and​ ​make​ ​them​ ​powerless,​ ​especially​ ​if​ ​they're​ ​kicking​ ​around​ ​weaker
and​ ​more​ ​vulnerable​ ​people

I've always had a mindset of "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger," and that persists to
this day. Any pain I survive will make me more resilient and capable, so I continue to push myself and
endure. My confidence comes largely from my physical strength and trust in my inner strength, both of
which are fortified through intense physical activity.
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah, was thinking actually stuff like I just keep learning the basic ideas of something, getting hungry for more, and immediately moving on to the next big idea. can be sx too
immersing yourself in shit
pho - 10/11/2017
yes
Evo - 10/11/2017
it's a toss up between 8w7 and 6w7 for me
pho - 10/11/2017
mercury demonstrates immersion as a coping mechanism
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah
pho - 10/11/2017
very clear 8w7 imo
as core
Spacey - 10/11/2017
7w8 does that too (;
pho - 10/11/2017
the mental capacity is merely in support of the 8 core tendencies
Spacey - 10/11/2017
so yeah, not really seeing much sp evidence either
pho - 10/11/2017
the paranoia, unwillingness of submission, etc. are manifestations of 7 wing. there's a decisively nervous energy about, neurotic conquest
think napolean on ritalin

Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah, I'm not doubting this person is 8w7
was just making an offhand comment
about immersion as a coping mechanism
pho - 10/11/2017
in response to evo
Spacey - 10/11/2017
oh ok
lol
but yeah on general vibes, I think I would say more so/sx
pho - 10/11/2017
I'm in accordance with so/sx
Spacey - 10/11/2017
because the sx shit doesn't really seem to be the primary focus, especially when it's like wanting to have that knowledge to use it in some way
pho - 10/11/2017
So 8s demonstrate that intellectual bebt
bent
political theory, gender studies, economics, history
etc
Spacey - 10/11/2017
they could clarify when it's no longer anon, but I get the impression they'd use it to further so goals
Evo - 10/11/2017
i could actually see so/sx 1 too
there's just so much talk about ethics lol
pho - 10/11/2017
eco
evo
there's
not a shred of 1 here
i don't think
Evo - 10/11/2017
:Thinkfusing:
Spacey - 10/11/2017
I wonder if it's more Fi, lol
that you're seeing
Evo - 10/11/2017
i just see a lot of this a "corrective so1"
but
16) How do you usually respond when your needs aren’t being met?:
-I insist (until I get what I want).
-I compromise (because something is better than nothing).
-I disengage (and leave for good since there's nothing for me here).

Answer: I disengage (and leave for good since there's nothing for me here).

Please tell us why you chose this answer:
Explanation: There have been countless times where I've just gone off on my own when other people are holding me back from what I want.
this is rejection triad
which is funny because they put the answer for withdrawn
but the explanation is rejection triad
lol
Spacey - 10/11/2017
hehe, but it's good when they do stuff like that
I like it
Evo - 10/11/2017
it would be this kind of answer that would sway me more 8
pho - 10/11/2017
So 8 uses these systems to identify global means of subjugation- identifying themselves in the hollistic sense of societal webs
Evo - 10/11/2017
:hypethonk~1:
so8
hecky
Spacey - 10/11/2017
so 8 seems fun
do we know any so 8s?

pho - 10/11/2017
yes they chose the withdrawn answer but that's ignoring the context
Evo - 10/11/2017
defo 6 fix
pho - 10/11/2017
"you're not meeting my needs so I don't need you"
Spacey - 10/11/2017
girl bye
Evo - 10/11/2017
you wont be able to argue out of that lol
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah 6 became more apparent later on for sure
Evo - 10/11/2017
i'm still undecided which gut fix
but i could see reactive i suppose
pho - 10/11/2017
I told you 6 fix from the start hecc
Spacey - 10/11/2017
idk how this person could be less of an 8 meme
Evo - 10/11/2017
heart fix last?
pho - 10/11/2017
yes
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah
pho - 10/11/2017
my bet is triple reactive
Evo - 10/11/2017
i don't have a vibe on heart fix
pho - 10/11/2017
864 so/sx
Evo - 10/11/2017
lemme look at the shame q
Spacey - 10/11/2017
I quoted some things that were 4
if you want me to go find them
but it's definitely last
Evo - 10/11/2017
lol rip shame q
Spacey - 10/11/2017
not a whole lot of it
Evo - 10/11/2017
like one sentence
pho - 10/11/2017
yeah lmao
Evo - 10/11/2017
guess i'll go with 4
sounds withdrawnish
pho - 10/11/2017
reclusive
going your own way
Evo - 10/11/2017
yeah hmm
pho - 10/11/2017
this is textbook biker gang ringleader archetype
Evo - 10/11/2017
wtf LLOL
xD
Spacey - 10/11/2017
: I can get stuck in listless periods of wandering, knowing there's more out there but not knowing how to escape my situation and chase after it. I hate feeling like this. It can also happen emotionally, where I'll get stuck in a feeling for a while and become effectively useless as it overcomes me.
Some 4 in there.

Sometimes I put on masks and become somebody else temporarily as an act of self-exploration. It doesn't feel fraudulent to do this though, since I'm only expressing a different aspect of myself than what is usually seen by others.
4w3

21) If you had to give up one thing for the promise of happiness it would be:
-My awareness of who I am and what I desire.
-My current object of intrigue.
-My sensitivities and the attempts by others to help me.

Answer: My current object of intrigue.

Please tell us why you chose this answer:
Explanation: The second option is the least bad. I'd never choose the first. I need my sense of self and refuse to compromise it.
pho - 10/11/2017
8w7 meme
Evo - 10/11/2017
lemme back read your guys' argument for 8 lol
Spacey - 10/11/2017
mkay
pho - 10/11/2017
:hyperkittythink:

Evo - 10/11/2017
i am too caught up on the corrective stuff lol
pho - 10/11/2017
a diagnostic approach doesnt work here
at least not for this q
Evo - 10/11/2017
just cause like lol the 8s i know, think of themselves as the "bad boys" archetype
not the  "ethical corrector"
hah
the so-dom'ness would have more pull on the ethics tho
for sure
pho - 10/11/2017
if you've spent any significant amount of time with me, I've told someone to fuck off
Evo - 10/11/2017
lol
:tru~1:
ok so like what do you mean by diagnostic? haha
pho - 10/11/2017
like, standard ennea approach, examining shame/fear/anger influence from specifics
you can find bits of support for not 8, but the veritable mountain of evidence in support of 8 is monstrous
Evo - 10/11/2017
I hate being naive, weak, cowardly, ignorant, submissive, and numb. My external image and internal pursuit is the opposite of all this. I also hate just agreeing with people on stuff, my impulse is to disagree and be an outlier. One of the things that bothers me the most is the idea that I'm eating up propaganda and ideology and being controlled by it without knowing.

ok yeah lol
Spacey - 10/11/2017
yeah, I think the ethics stuff is so + 6 fix
pho - 10/11/2017
same
I'm an 854 for comparison
Spacey - 10/11/2017
6w5 or 6w7?
pho - 10/11/2017
the mention of topics they find intriguing
I'm undecided on w
I tend to ignore trifix wings
Evo - 10/11/2017
could see 6w7 fix
pho - 10/11/2017
​I​ ​hate​ ​feeling
ignorant.​ ​The​ ​hole's​ ​not​ ​just​ ​a​ ​hole,​ ​but​ ​also​ ​a​ ​sign​ ​that​ ​I'm​ ​unaware​ ​of​ ​something​ ​that​ ​could​ ​be
important.​ ​The​ ​subjects​ ​I​ ​care​ ​the​ ​most​ ​about​ ​are​ ​economics,​ ​political​ ​theory,​ ​sociology,​ ​history,
gender​ ​studies,​ ​and​ ​racial​ ​history.​ ​All​ ​of​ ​these​ ​fields​ ​expose​ ​the​ ​oppression​ ​in​ ​our​ ​society​ ​and
without​ ​proper​ ​knowledge​ ​of​ ​them,​ ​I​ ​may​ ​be​ ​unaware​ ​of​ ​my​ ​own​ ​subjugation.​
this is what sells 8 So for me
awareness of oneself in powerdynamics
Spacey - 10/11/2017
"unaware that something could be important" thing makes me want to get more info on if it's to further so goals
Evo - 10/11/2017
see that made me think so6 paranoia lol
Spacey - 10/11/2017
definitely seems so, but I want elaboration, haha
pho - 10/11/2017
yes but the paranoia is in service of power awareness
Evo - 10/11/2017
:thinking:
Spacey - 10/11/2017
Se :stuck_out_tongue:
pho - 10/11/2017
means of oppression
if you know when you're being controlled you can resist it
the motivation doesnt stem from fear
I'm gonna go, final decision 8w7 6wX 4wX So/Sx
Spacey - 10/11/2017
8w7 6w7 4w3 so/sx for me
until further discussion, ofc
Evo - 10/11/2017
hmm
lol
i'm still not sold
hahahaha
Spacey - 10/11/2017
that's fine, lol
pho - 10/11/2017
:blobthonking:
Spacey - 10/11/2017
I am based on the q
pho - 10/11/2017
same

Spacey - 10/11/2017
can be swayed with quotes or them weighing in
Evo - 10/11/2017
i want to do the thing that Jak did in the last q, i really liked that.
pho - 10/11/2017
well, lets get an actual 6w7 So in here
Evo - 10/11/2017
Where he numbered it, and gave his thoughts for each number.
pho - 10/11/2017
@Jacqueline 🚤 get in here thot
Spacey - 10/11/2017
ah yeah, that's good, Evo
Evo - 10/11/2017
i think i can get a better understanding of the big picture that way
i liked how he did that
will do when i'm done studying
pho - 10/11/2017
@Evo were you here for the enneagramatical discussion on So last night
Evo - 10/11/2017
D:
no?
wot happened
wait
pho - 10/11/2017
it was on cb's server
Evo - 10/11/2017
was that where you said "this is the best ennea discuusion" ?
because i still haven't backread from that lmao
but i will
because i always want to know xezene's thoughts on ennea haha
and growth
pho - 10/11/2017
go do it, the awareness mercury tries to demonstrate through knowledge and ethics seeking corresponds to those core ideas
Evo - 10/11/2017
:thinking:
oks
i'll look when i get a chance
have to go study for quiz now
D:
pho - 10/11/2017
it changed my conception of So entirely
hyperultramegathonk2
Spacey - 10/11/2017
what channel?
I wanna see
Evo - 10/11/2017
i think it was enneagram
it was all the way up tho
lotta scrolling
Spacey - 10/11/2017
rip
ok
@pho make a pastebin of the convo
haha

pho - 10/11/2017
no
Spacey - 10/11/2017
rude
banned
pho - 10/11/2017
you lazy noid
Spacey - 10/11/2017
9 confirmed
pho - 10/11/2017
:blobcookie:
Spacey - 10/11/2017
9w8 since I'll ban you for not appeasing me
and my laziness
pho - 10/11/2017
:hyperkittythink:
Jacqueline 🚤 - 10/11/2017
whom'st'd've
pho - 10/11/2017
>pho the 9
Jacqueline 🚤 - 10/11/2017
@pho thot
pho - 10/11/2017
>type_mercury
Spacey - 10/11/2017
Fa laying down the law
October 13, 2017
Spacey - 10/13/2017
Gonna say it's probably safe for this anon to reveal themselves if they want to.
:blobpeek:
October 14, 2017
Spacey - 10/14/2017
So I say we maybe give this until like the end of the weekend and if there's no more input and anon doesn't want to reveal themselves we can go ahead and close? Sunday would make 5 days.
pho - 10/14/2017
:hyperkittythink:
tru
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
twas me
8w7 4w3 6w7 SO/SX?
was that the final verdict?
Spacey - 10/14/2017
Hai :kirbywave:
That's what @pho and I think based on the q, but @evo wasn't really sold heh.
Uh
Idk why my phone didn't tag lmao
@pho @Evo
pho - 10/14/2017
yeah
I'm in accord here
I think I made a very strong case for 846
Evo - 10/14/2017
I could see it i guess, the 8
pho - 10/14/2017
you guess
what's there to guess about
Evo - 10/14/2017
Lol idk i just felt like mixed signals
pho - 10/14/2017
1s are mixed signals(edited)
:hypethonk:
Evo - 10/14/2017
It's probably the so-instinct that tripping me up lol
Spacey - 10/14/2017
:hyperkittythink:
Evo - 10/14/2017
Or the 6 or something
pho - 10/14/2017
trust me,  no other 8 besides SO, talks about and actually studies the topics zyzz does

Spacey - 10/14/2017
Well, we can also see what zyzz has to say, haha.
Evo - 10/14/2017
Yeah it's probably just my lack of experience with so8s
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
hm
pho - 10/14/2017
all of the topics mentioned have to deal with power dynamics and opressiin, facets of control and subversion on transnational scale
SO 8 will want to develop keen awareness on these subjects to recognize subversive elements of their enviroment on global scale
it's multiplicative in importance
understand world, understand place in world, understand what's needed to reconcile these issues
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
that is where a lot of my focus goes. I have a nagging feeling that somebody's trying to control or manipulate me at all times and I have to find out who and how
pho - 10/14/2017
find out the puppet master
who controls the invisible string
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
I understand this doesn't work on only an individual level. It's not just any singular person, and individuals aren't the greatest threats. It's institutions and social conventions that have the greatest potential to strip us of our freedom
pho - 10/14/2017
as an sx 8, to contrast,  these topics are interesting to me but I don't devote any attention to them
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
the issue is that their methods of control can be incredibly implicit and invisible, to the level that our rebellion is predetermined
it just seems ignorant to not look deeper like this
afraid I will have to return later
in a couple hours or so
pho - 10/14/2017
as I feel that my only threat to security is betrayal by intimates
yeah, you have the knowledge, but what do you do with it
thats my main deterrent
from delving deeper
Evo - 10/14/2017
:thinking:
pho - 10/14/2017
the issue is that their methods of control can be incredibly implicit and invisible, to the level that our rebellion is predetermined
this is an incredibly nuanced statement
your typical 8 sx or 8sp wouldn't even have this cross their mind(edited)
but that SO hierarchal awareness is present
Evo - 10/14/2017
:fonking:
I agree with so dom lol
Nate. - 10/14/2017
me too
jk idk
😋1
pho - 10/14/2017
everything about this q screams 8w7 SO
Evo - 10/14/2017
I don't know about gut fix still lol
pho - 10/14/2017
you think 1?
Evo - 10/14/2017
But i don't really have an argument against it either
No, not really sure. Just torn.
pho - 10/14/2017
... torn between what :ThonkBAKA:
Evo - 10/14/2017
I just didn't see much rejection triad, that's all lol.(edited)
Like there was only one question that gave any hint of rejection triad
pho - 10/14/2017
the dude is literally rejecting the power structure of modernity
by refusing to be implicit
Evo - 10/14/2017
Lol rejection triad, in that they hold their ground, and don't really let their guard down and thats because theyre sensitive to rejection.
I don't have to agree though :P
pho - 10/14/2017
you're too by the books
baka
Evo - 10/14/2017
:shruggie:
It's more experience for me
Some of the responses cone off very theoretical and head'ish to me idk
I need to nap tho lol
So i don't mind conceding
pho - 10/14/2017
8w7 incorporates two triads
so you have the head energy of 7 as well
Evo - 10/14/2017
Yea...whatever da fuz Z is, defo a w7
@_@
Could be that im just used to 8w9s

pho - 10/14/2017
I don't see too many 8w7s
much less 8w7 SO
Evo - 10/14/2017
Lol neither do i
Haha rip them
pho - 10/14/2017
but I think @Zyzz ☿ is textbook 8w7 so
I'm unsure of sx
Evo - 10/14/2017
Yeah :Thonk:
pho - 10/14/2017
perhaps 8w7 so/sp
I'm thinking 8w7 so/sp
Evo - 10/14/2017
Hm alrighty
I honestly don't know right now
pho - 10/14/2017
it's okay :rainbowblob:
rainbowblob2
Evo - 10/14/2017
I could come back to it after napping lol
Im glad we have more 8's tho if so! Hah
pho - 10/14/2017
same
@Zyzz ☿  I'm undecided on so/sx. I'm leaning so/sp
So lead
deff
Spacey - 10/14/2017
You know I said so/sp and you're the one who found sx support? Lmao.
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
@pho where do you see the SP in my answers?
pho - 10/14/2017
@Spacey lmao
@Zyzz ☿ the general vibe of your answers. sx morseso deals with attraction/repulsion, desire, etc. your answers demonstrate a consistent reference to navigating the social sphere for your well being
it doesnt demonstrate sp blind tendencies imo
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
hm, what do those typically look like?
pho - 10/14/2017
I need to drive for a bit I'll get back
in addition
its very rare to find genuine sp blind 8s
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
alright
is that so?
Hive - 10/14/2017
i knew one, great gal
pho - 10/14/2017
as sp blind 8 is uhh, well sp blind
Hive - 10/14/2017
sle 8w7 sx/so
could punch a bus
also very sweet
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
I have punched inanimate objects before myself. More so to feel my own pain than inflict damage
pho - 10/14/2017
8s focus is on control, etc, tendency towards sp being a reinforcement factor for 8 emotional drives
if you'd like, @Entropic is an sx/so 8w9
Hive - 10/14/2017
it was more of a metaphor, she'd rather punch my shoulder
pho - 10/14/2017
sp blind is rare for 8s because the stackings work against the 8s inclinations
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
@pho I could maybe see that, with SP being concerned with material stuff and 8s being concerned with "having"
Spacey - 10/14/2017
well, also just because it's rare isn't really a good point for the typing, haha
pho - 10/14/2017
it's a stacking that orient an 8 towards generally unhealthy tendencies
@Spacey  I'm saying why it's rare, like an sx/so 2 would be more in sync etc
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
what's also interesting here is the 6 fix
Spacey - 10/14/2017
yeah, how do you feel about the rest of our comments?
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
I didn't expect that

pho - 10/14/2017
its moreso the triple reactivity, general air of doubt and uncertainty
I got from reading your qs
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
hm
pho - 10/14/2017
I'm an 854 for comparison
Spacey - 10/14/2017
When I see a red flag pop up on somebody, I'll start pressuring them to open up about their stance completely. There's a lot of bigots around and I know how to recognize them.
It was just stuff like this, but you do have a lot of 7 in there too.
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
I see
where in my questionnaire does doubt show up?
Spacey - 10/14/2017
I'll have to look again. The only thing @Evo seemed sure about was 6, so maybe she's got something up her sleeve.
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
alright
I saw some comments about me maybe being 1 as well
wasn't expecting those either
Spacey - 10/14/2017
well, I think Evo did say it was all the so shit more than anything in the end
Evo - 10/14/2017
I'll go through in a few hours
Sorry  :/
Spacey - 10/14/2017
study, bby
pho - 10/14/2017
@Spacey why is it 7, what's the grounding there
​How​ ​do​ ​you​ ​create​ ​balance​ ​in​ ​your​ ​life?:
Explanation:​ ​I don't really, except for balancing physical stuff like my diet and exercise
Spacey - 10/14/2017
why is what 7?
I gotta take a shower, but I'll be back
pho - 10/14/2017
you said "there's a lot of 7 in there " but never said why
Spacey - 10/14/2017
I quoted a few things earlier on
I can pull out some more if I go through it again
pho - 10/14/2017
I mean, what about those quotes indicates 7 in particular
Spacey - 10/14/2017
okay, I will answer that after shower
pho - 10/14/2017
:cuwtie:
thank
alright so for instincts
I'm recognizing a lot of contra flow here
gives more weight to so/sp
grabbing quotes now
I'm gonna scrap the quotes for now,  in general, there's this demonstration of getting what you want (sp) through others (so).  When others fail to meet these needs you disengage as mentioned a few times. An sx stack wouldn't relate individuals or groups to their needs, or rather sx would see the potential in deepening relationships with these groups  @Zyzz ☿
wait
yeah I'm right
Contra-flow: sp → sx → so → sp
Stackings involved: sp/sx → sx/so → so/sp → sp/sx
Direction: Compelled against people. Seething belligerent outsiders; 'antisocial', provoking, reverse-flow change catalysts. In some profound sense, rejecting the human condition, their own and/or that of others.
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
that sounds rather dramatic
"rejecting the human condition"
pho - 10/14/2017
your q is rather dramatic to be fair
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
true. I am rather dramatic
pho - 10/14/2017
heres the contrast
Syn-flow: sp → so → sx → sp
Stackings involved: sp/so → so/sx → sx/sp → sp/so
Direction: Compelled toward people. Acting upon and with others as a born insider i.e.- deeply human.
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
I would say in some sense I identify as deeply human, and I do care a lot for people. I am provocative and combative though, this I can't deny.
I naturally look for how I differ from others
pho - 10/14/2017
that differentiation process is what  is leading me towards contra flow so/sp
I don't see much, save a strong sense of individualism, that would incline me towards an sx stack
you dont talk much about friends, intimates, love, or desire in the general sense, merely as it pertains to your ends
thats just an umbrella list of sx inclined topics, sx itself deals primarily with attraction and repulsion
Spacey - 10/14/2017
I can get stuck in listless periods of wandering, knowing there's more out there but not knowing how to escape my situation and chase after it. I hate feeling like this.
This one is basically the core 7 fear, heh. FOMO is what drives 7. No contentment ever, just always searching for something better.

Anxiety quickly turns into energy for me. I lose myself in activities and people to keep my mind off it. As soon as I feel it creep in, I reassert my own strength and move on to the next topic.
Pretty classic redirecting here. Redirect the negative feels into something positive or productive, and see the anxiety as something kinda positive in the end (hey it fueled this activity you wanted to do) which is bordering on reframing.

My strategy is to keep moving in one way or another. I'll either take some kind of action, or focus on something else.
Again, redirecting. Can't do anything about the situation, well fuck it, and move on to something you can actually influence.

Feeling trapped kills me because I'm so aware of my own mortality. Any time I'm not using fully is gone forever, and every second takes me one step closer to death. If I'm not making the most of it then I'm wasting the only life I know I have. Dwelling on this knowledge makes me extremely angry.
This is basically a 7 meme, heh. The whole core fear kinda centers around not being able to deal with the unknown, so you cram as much shit into your life as you can to kinda pretend it doesn't exist.
@pho
I can elaborate more if you want
but even if Zyzz just has two w7s then this still all makes sense
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
@pho that makes sense. Admittedly I do neglect that in conversation, and in this questionnaire
I can see the argument for SO/SP
pho - 10/14/2017
yeah, it's what I picked up more on
on this run through
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
@Spacey I've already been typing as w7 and 7 fixed for a reason. It's quite visceral
Spacey - 10/14/2017
It's pretty easy if you look at it in contrast to 5, I think. Whereas 5 thinks they can combat the void with knowledge, 7 is just like "fuck, there's nothing I can do about it so I'm gonna do whatever I can so I don't have to focus on it".
Like, you know it's there, it always creeps up.
You know that in the end it's out of your control, but it's kinda hard to accept, I guess.
pho - 10/14/2017
I see more focus on 6 fix, the entire basis of your self improvement process is a sort of existential security
Spacey - 10/14/2017
I'd need to read it over one more time, or like just general input from Zyzz.
I can see it going either way.
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
I am definitely open to considering a 6 fix
pho - 10/14/2017
and the 7ness I think is explained by the core 8w7 for the most part
Spacey - 10/14/2017
yeah, I said it could very well be
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
it's possible I am in denial to some of my own insecurity, being an 8 and all.
pho - 10/14/2017
let me grab 2 trifix profiles
Spacey - 10/14/2017
and reframe the fuck out of it, Zyzz
lmao
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
true
pho - 10/14/2017
@Zyzz ☿ take a look at the 468 and 478 https://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=24211
Enneagram Type 8 Tri-Types
INTP Forum
its likely you've seen this link before
Spacey - 10/14/2017
why do they only care about 8s?
rude
oh these are just the fauvre descriptions
Your life mission is to be an instrument of change, transforming difficult situations into moments of inspiration. No so, nerds.
rip
pho - 10/14/2017
because its an 8 thread you nerd
Spacey - 10/14/2017
as if INTPs are ever 8s
pho - 10/14/2017
implying mbti exists
Spacey - 10/14/2017
implying enneagram exists
pho - 10/14/2017
implying the support for cognitive drives is as compelling as emotional drives(edited)
Spacey - 10/14/2017
:tru:
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
all these descriptions are rather absurd
it's hard for me to make a call between 468 and 478 just based on this
Spacey - 10/14/2017
it's okay, I don't relate to the 782 archetype description like at all
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
468 supposedly has a fetish for "the Truth"
Spacey - 10/14/2017
it is so so focused, I swear
Zyzz ☿ - 10/14/2017
yeah
they say almost the same things also
pho - 10/14/2017
hyperbole is useful for exaggerating subtle mechanisms
so take em with grain of salt
October 15, 2017
Spacey - 10/15/2017
@Evo did you still wanna weigh in on this the next day or two? Then we can leave it up a bit more.
Evo - 10/15/2017
Eh how long has it been up? @Spacey
I think we can take it down.
Unless Z isn't satisfied. I still think a mix of 164,614, 864, or 684
Spacey - 10/15/2017
It's day 5, I think.
@Zyzz ☿, thoughts?
So no definitive from you  @Evo?
I think Z was mostly looking for 6 support.
Evo - 10/15/2017
Oh it's only day five?
I'll do it rn then

Spacey - 10/15/2017
Yeah. Hasn't been 7.
Evo - 10/15/2017
I didn't even get to annex's
:sadness:
Rip 6 tests in a row
cries(edited)
Spacey - 10/15/2017
Annex was satisfied with the analysis though!
So not a huge deal.
Evo - 10/15/2017
Oks
Good.
Zyzz ☿ - 10/15/2017
I suppose I'm fine if the channel closes
Spacey - 10/15/2017
I think Evo is still working on it and we can wait a bit more. Was there anything specific you wanted to still talk about?
Zyzz ☿ - 10/15/2017
at this point, only the 6 fix
Evo - 10/15/2017
hmmm actually rereading, my responses and this q...
I pointed out the ones that were very 6
i could see 8 though rereading because the anger and reasons behind it are first on the list
although...the thing that is tripping me up lol
is use of words like "propaganda"
"ideology"
just seems like paranoid head fix talk
not gut
which goes along with the ethical thing
anywho
I will remain unsure between the types that i said
Spacey - 10/15/2017
I personally don't have a lot of stake in 6, can see 7.
Evo - 10/15/2017
oh i see a hella lot of 6.
the propeganda/ideology talk from #3
The  not trusting themselves in #5,
The seeking sources in #6
and
The superego decision first in #7,
the rest i could see 8
and tiny bit of 4
the more i think about it the more i think all the ethical talk is the 6fix(edited)
yea
makes more sense
almost all the answers except for like 3 of them were reactive triad though
so i could see 864 or 684
looking at it now, with sleep lol
and yes, wing 7 for sure. That shit is heavy
i don't know if 8 or 6 core though
There's a lot of talk about protection, oppression, justice, strength, and knowing where people stand
these things are all both 8 AND 6 things.
The difference usually i guess....
is whether or not they want to be protected, or to protect others
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/misidentifying-6-and-8/
As different as these two types are, they are nevertheless similar at Level 6–but only at this Level. At this stage both Sixes (The Authoritarian Rebel) and in Eights (The Confrontational Adversary) show similar aggressive traits–belligerence, defiance, a willingness to intimidate others, a quick and threatening temper, the threat of violence, hatred of others, and so forth. However, Eights arrive at this stage as a result of constantly escalating their pressure on others to get what they want until they have become highly confrontational and combative. Sixes arrive at their state from a very different route–in reaction to their vacillation and dependency. Sixes become aggressive because they do not want to be pushed around anymore; Eights become aggressive to push others even more.
so it's a matter of this ^
The essential difference is that Sixes eventually will yield and their defenses will crumble if enough pressure is applied to them, whereas opposition to Eights only encourages them to remain defiant and to meet their adversary with renewed aggression.
and this ^
tbh, this is a very good way of seeing how the questionnaire is somewhat flawed because we're not getting at the why still. Only Z can answer that though.
so basically it's a difference of reaction vs provocation (i don't know what other word to use here, not the best word though)
Z talks about getting sucked in
I wonder if that's different than the experience of 8?
i have no idea here
Silver - 10/15/2017
Maybe would depend on the context and the reason ?
Evo - 10/15/2017
yeah, probably. I think that asking Z questions would help but lmao
i have no idea what questions to ask
which is why i'm pointing out how the q is still flawed in that sense
but I'm glad something came up on this tbh
October 16, 2017
Spacey - 10/16/2017
@Zyzz ☿  lemme know how you feel and if you wanna keep this going since Evo has weighed in, we could also try and set up a voice thing to discuss further if you would prefer that (:
pho - 10/16/2017
@Evo


Spacey - 10/16/2017
Light theme :nauseated_face:
pho - 10/16/2017
dealwithit.jpg
Libra - 10/16/2017
lol... i used dark
pho - 10/16/2017
white is easier on my eyes
Spacey - 10/16/2017
I will not deal with anything
flails around

Evo - 10/16/2017
Lol
pho - 10/16/2017
@Spacey typical 7 :rolling_eyes:
Spacey - 10/16/2017
:tru: