Catche and Lecomte's Resource Discussion

lecomte
nice, but pretty much identical to the gsg one it seems
content wise
gsg one goes deeper I think

catche
but if he's a dreamworks lighting artist, he might have some more insight in to things
like how to technically do artistic things etc
if that makes sense
I imagine it might be artistic at times, and not just technical
I remember jeremy birn's lighting tutorials on gnomon from around 2009-2012 -ish
pixar lighter
they were great, cause he had the knowledge and went into when and why use what for different purposes
there's a lack of those types of tutorials I feel

lecomte
yyyeah i've never seen a proper lighting course
its always about the basics
also, this is more about redshift if you look at the topics
also, come on, they're all from dreamworks and pixar
look at digital tutors
everyone has worked on spiderman
or marvel movies
theres definitely a lack of technical lighting tutorials, but I dont think this is one of them
the only one that has a bit higher level is grant's course, but we all know how that ended

catche
true, many people have been involved in those shows(edited)
i never finished grant's

lecomte
neither did he

catche
hehe
did like what I saw though

lecomte
grant had some good work, he worked at a good commercial studio as well
catche
some one uploaded it to youtube, probably illegally, and i shamefully watched it

lecomte
but it was only for print based projects, he didnt do animation
but he got lost on the business side of things

catche
fight with his brother i read

lecomte
got his boxing passion confused with 3d
yeah that too
lawsuit etc

catche
messy
i can see how that takes the motivation out of you

lecomte
its a million dollar business

catche
crazy

lecomte
yeah definitely
all about timing
he filled the vray gap
and everyone jumped on it

catche
he was really good though

lecomte
yeah until he wasnt
his vray course is irrelevant now

catche
learned a lot
yeah well, mostly

lecomte
alot of it is about the sampling and that has changed

catche
he did update the sampling one

lecomte
the rest is just basic knowledge
yeah well still
its pretty much a slider now

catche
two 

lecomte


catche
max subdivs + noise threshold

lecomte
I remember at the studio I worked at, all the ADs said 'this is the way to go' cause grant said it
as if he was some kind of guru

catche
what i'm hoping rs will become soon

lecomte
cause nobody knew
he seemed well respected
so lets do exactly what he says we should do

catche
for sure he was/is

lecomte
then someone from chaos group was like oh n o
thats not the right way
you should just use the universal settins

catche
eh

lecomte
and everyone was like wtf
he just put the max subdivs to 2048

catche
i followed that period
100

lecomte
that was so weird

catche
was the universal settings

lecomte
oh yeah that
sorry been a while dont remember the specifics
you remember the chaos group guy saying that?

catche
yep

lecomte
then at the end, nobody knew what to believe, I think they still dont know what the best way is

catche
but not that they corrected grant, and then saying "just go universal instead"

lecomte
and honestly
neither do I

catche
the way I remember it, universal came before grant

lecomte
well they didnt correct him specifically, but it contradicted what grant said

catche
I think many people just went universal until grant came, kinda

lecomte
maybe they said it before, but there was a youtube vid from that guy afterwards
who said there was alot of confusion about it
and that these universal settings should work best in most cases
this was before automatic sampling

catche
and it was with grant's explanation and understanding of the dmc sampler that made chaos group add the "shading rate" parameter, which emulates all the stuff grant was tweaking manually

lecomte
yeah true
and then it still wasnt really clear
its still vague

catche
what exactly?

lecomte
its this thing where you think you get it
and youve got it figured out
and then someone comes along
and says something, and it renders faster
with less noise
and you're all screwed up again
and youre like damnit, I had it

catche
heh yea

lecomte
leave me alone
hahah

catche
they did end up with the default of 6 after a few releases
which is supposed to be tried and tested over and over and over

lecomte
yeah

catche
and that's where like 99% of scenes are the most efficient