three idwntical strangers

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When I tell people my story

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they don't believe it.

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I guess I wouldn't believe
the story

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if someone else were telling
it, but, I'm telling it

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and it's true, every word of it.

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It started when I was born,
56 years ago,

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but the real story
began when I was 19 years old

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and I went to college.

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It was 1980.
It was the first day of school

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at Sullivan County Community
College up in the Catskills,

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about 110 miles
from where I grew up.

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So, I drove up there alone.

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♪ I get the same old dreams

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♪ Same time every night

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♪ Fall to the ground
and I wake up...

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I used to have this really
old car. It was a Volvo.

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And it was a 1970 Volvo.

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Had like 130,000 miles on it.

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And the car was burgundy
and the hood was green.

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Actually, the car was called
the Old Bitch.

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♪ Since you been gone

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♪ Since you been gone

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♪ I'm out of my head... ♪

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But the Old Bitch got me there.

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Sullivan was
a community college.

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This wasn't some longstanding
institution of higher learning.

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All these station wagons
are dropping kids off.

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I was nervous,
I'd just gotten to the school,

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I didn't know anybody.
I was a freshman.

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I was never the captain of the
football team in high school,

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so I was never really
like popular.

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So, I'm walking around
trying to find where my dorm is.

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Meanwhile all these people
are coming up to me

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saying "Hi, how are you?"

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"How was your summer?"

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"Mine was great.
How was yours?" "Super."

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Why are they asking me
how my summer was? I don't know.

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Everybody's being
extremely friendly to me

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and they're going
out of their way to do it.

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I don't mean just a 'hi',

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I mean, claps on the back
and high fives.

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And I was a little bit
bewildered by this

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because no one gets
this kind of a welcome

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on their first day at school.

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And girls were kissing me,

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like fully kissing me saying,
"I'm so glad you came back."

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And I was saying 'thank you'
and 'hello' back

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but I had never been there
before and I didn't know them.

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It was bizarre.

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And the next thing I heard
from right behind me.

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"Welcome back. Eddy!"

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"Eddy! How are you?
Eddy, hi!"

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I'm like, "My name's not Eddy.
I don't know

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"what you're talking about.
I just got up here."

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"Sure, Eddy,
you're really funny,

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"you're really funny,
real funny."

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I'm like, "I'm not Eddy.
I don't know who Eddy is."

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"Welcome back, Eddy",
they were all saying.

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I finally made it
to this dump of a dorm room.

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Before a minute had gone by...

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..."Who now? Who now
is gonna come to find Eddy?"

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I had been at college

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the previous year
with Eddy, and I knew

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that he wasn't
coming back to school.

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As soon as this guy
turned around, I...

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I was, I was actually shaking.

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I was... I know all color
from my face dropped

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cos I knew it was his double.

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He had the same grin, the same
hair, the same expressions.

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It was his double.

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And I see this guy's face
and he's like...

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...just standing there.

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The first thing out of my mouth
was "Were you adopted?"

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Er... and I was like, "Yes."

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I said, "Is your birthday
July 12th?" He said yes.

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I was like, "July 12th 1961."

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"Oh my God", I said,
"You're not gonna believe this."

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I said, "You have a twin
brother. You have a twin."

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"Oh my God."

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I said, "Come with me."

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And the two of us are crammed
into this phone booth,

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shoulder to shoulder
and you know, we had to like,

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close the door
of the phone booth.

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And I'm trying
to put the coins in

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and they keep falling
on the floor

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and Bobby's picking up
the coins.

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And he calls this guy
and he's like,

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"Hey, Eddy, you're not
gonna believe this,

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"you're not gonna believe this.

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"Eddy, Eddy, you are not
gonna believe this."

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This guy's more hysterical
than I am like weirded out.

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"Eddy, you are not
gonna believe this."

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So I was like,
"Give me the phone."

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So I'm like, "Hi, Eddy?"
"Yes."

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But it was my voice
that said, "Yes."

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And I said, "Hi, Eddy,
my name is Robert Shafran

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"and, er... I'm meeting
all these people

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"who say I'm you."

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And he said, "Uh-huh, yeah,
I've been getting some calls."

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I said, "Were you adopted?"
and he said, "Yes."

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And I said,
"When was your birthday?"

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"July 12th."

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And I said, "Do you know what
the name of the agency was?"

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And he said, "No, hold on."

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And I heard him go like, "Mom?"

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And he came back and he said,
"Louise Wise Services."

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Sometimes when you
are just having a dream,

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you know this can't be real,
this can't be real.

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But you know there's nothing
you can do to stop it,

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start it, change it,
you just go with it

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and that's what I was doing.

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I just wanted to see
what was gonna happen next.

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And I'm like, "Let's go.
Let's go meet Eddy."

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So we got into the Old Bitch.

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It was about 9 o'clock at night

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and it's about a two-hour ride.

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And we were speeding
on route 17.

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We were going 100 miles
per hour, perhaps more.

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We were speeding.

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We're driving as fast
as this car would go.

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It was shaking.

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And we got pulled over
by a New York State trooper.

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And as I roll down my window
there's this gigantic cop

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with like the sunglasses
even though it's night time.

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In the big hat.

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He said, "You know,
I clocked you at 88 in a 50.

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"Son, you better have
a really good reason."

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And I was like,

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"Well, Officer, you're never
gonna believe this."

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The two of us are like
yelling at this guy.

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"You, you don't know,

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"this guy, this guy
has a twin brother,

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"he was adopted and we're going
to Long Island to go see..."

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And, and, and the guy was,
"Yeah, right." You know.

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"Here's, here's your ticket
have a good day."

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And on to Long Island we went.

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So, we got there.

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But it's like,
the middle of the night.

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And it's this really
quiet neighborhood.

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So, we get out of the car.

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And walk up this little path
to the house.

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And the lights were on
in the house.

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And I reached out
to knock on the door

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and as I reached out
to knock on the door it opens.

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And there I am.

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His eyes were my eyes
and my eyes were his eyes

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and it's true.

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They looked exactly alike.

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They're duplicates
of each other.

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There was no doubt in my mind
that they were twins.

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He's going, "Oh my God."
I'm going, "Oh my God."

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He's going, "Holy crap."
I'm going, "Holy crap."

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They just looked at each other
and they moved...

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Every time Bobby moved
his head, Eddy moved

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and then Eddy would move
and then Bobby would move,

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like, like they were
looking at a mirror.

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It was the weirdest thing.

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It was like the world
faded away,

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and it was just me and Eddy.

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So, I'm in the newsroom,
it's the middle of a busy day,

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we got a call from somebody

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who says they have an
amazing story to tell us,

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we are not gonna
believe this story,

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and my first reaction,
"Ah, it's a hoax."

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So, I told our reporter,
"I wanna rent a plane."

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In those days we had
enough money to do this.

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"I wanna rent a plane, I wanna
see these two kids face to face

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"or I don't believe this."

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We flew the journalist up
to Sullivan Community College

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and he called me and he said,
"Howie, it's true, it's true.

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And I remember saying, "Oh my
God, this is a great story.

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"This is a memorable
heart-warming story."

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And then the story went from
being amazing to incredible, OK,

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from amazing to incredible.

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I was on the New York Subway.

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Quite late at night.

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Read an article about two boys
who found each other.

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That were twins
separated at birth

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and found each other

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at Sullivan County
Community College.

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There was no picture,
but the story was fascinating.

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I came home, and went to sleep.

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My mother came into the room

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and said, "Wake up, wake up,
I have to show you something."

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And she shows me a newspaper

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with a picture of two boys

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and I had to like, focus
and I looked at the photograph

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and I said, "Is that David?"

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And she's like, "No,
but look at the hands."

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And I was like, "Holy mackerel.
This is beyond amazing."

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It was a picture
in the newspaper of two guys,

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in the "Post" and
I picked up the picture

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and I looked at it,

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and I was like in shock,

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cos the two guys in the "Post"
looked exactly, exactly

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like, like my friend David.
I stared at it.

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And it wasn't even just
the look on their face.

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It was the way that they
were holding their hands.

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They have these big meaty hands.
And David always had this,

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these hands
that looked like baseball mitts.

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And when I saw their hands,
I just knew that this is David.

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It was just a normal day.

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I got to school,
ran into my buddy Alan.

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He said, "David,
take a look at this."

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And he's got a copy
of the "New York Post".

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And, er...
he opens it up

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and says, "Look at this.

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"Look, look familiar?"
Something to that effect.

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And I said, "Yeah, right. Sure."

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But then we looked at it
a little bit more closely.

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It was an article, it said,

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"Twins reunited
after more than 19 years."

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And it had a picture of two
of what looked like me.

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It all started to sink in.

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"Holy shit, oh my God.

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"Do you? This is un...
this is not believable,

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"this is, this is unbelievable.
Wow!

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"This is big, this is serious,

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"this is just not some kind
of crazy coincidence.

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"This is not
a minor resemblance.

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"This is real,
this is happening,

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"this is really,
really serious."

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I ditched classes and got home.

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My mother was waiting
at the kitchen table

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with a cup of coffee.

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And I said, "Mom, you see this?"

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She said, "You see this?" And
we kinda exchanged newspapers.

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It had, "...born Long Island
Jewish Hospital."

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"July 12th, 1961."

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And it was Louise Wise
adoption agency.

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I mean, I always knew growing
up that I was adopted.

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My parents were always
open about it.

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But it said Eddy Galland
of New Hyde Park, Long Island,

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Robert Shafran
of Scarsdale, New York.

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I remember it said,

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"Son of prominent Scarsdale
physician Mort Shafran"

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and, er... my first thought,
I said,

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"He's got the wealthy family.

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"That SOB's probably driving
a Benz! He got a doctor!"

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00:13:39,736 --> 00:13:41,738
And I remember being
with David in the kitchen.

241
00:13:42,947 --> 00:13:45,158
We were like, really nervous.

242
00:13:45,199 --> 00:13:48,244
I mean we were, you know,
jumping around, it was...

243
00:13:48,286 --> 00:13:51,873
You know, we were 19 years old.
I mean this was surreal.

244
00:13:51,914 --> 00:13:56,419
And David picked up the phone
and he called Information,

245
00:13:56,461 --> 00:13:59,255
and he reached Eddy's mom.

246
00:13:59,297 --> 00:14:01,174
And I said, "Hi, is Eddy home?"

247
00:14:01,215 --> 00:14:04,135
She says, "No,
who's calling, please?"

248
00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:05,720
And I thought, "OK,

249
00:14:05,762 --> 00:14:07,138
"now I've gotta go into
this whole thing on the phone."

250
00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:11,517
I said, "Well, my name
is David Kellman,

251
00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,562
"and I was born July 12th 1961

252
00:14:14,604 --> 00:14:16,731
"and I'm looking at a newspaper

253
00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:21,319
"and, er... basically I think
I'm looking at two of me.

254
00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:23,404
"I think I might be the third."

255
00:14:23,446 --> 00:14:26,240
And I think she dropped
the phone, actually.

256
00:14:26,282 --> 00:14:29,786
And I remember hearing
her voice over the phone,

257
00:14:29,827 --> 00:14:32,163
"Oh my God, they're coming out
of the woodwork!"

258
00:14:41,047 --> 00:14:44,842
It was a miracle.

259
00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:47,261
The first time
that the boys met together,

260
00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:50,473
the three together
was at my house.

261
00:14:50,515 --> 00:14:52,016
And the three of them ended up

262
00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:55,770
like puppies wrestling
on the floor.

263
00:14:55,812 --> 00:14:59,565
It was the most incredible...

264
00:14:59,607 --> 00:15:01,359
it was the most
incredible thing.

265
00:15:01,401 --> 00:15:03,277
They belonged to each other.

266
00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:09,242
They knew each other. There
was no formal introduction.

267
00:15:09,283 --> 00:15:12,578
I mean, when you meet somebody
for the first time

268
00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:16,624
you don't end up rolling around
on the floor with them.

269
00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:20,420
It was truly
not fully believable.

270
00:15:20,461 --> 00:15:22,505
Even though it was happening
it was still surreal.

271
00:15:22,547 --> 00:15:24,424
You think you're dreaming.

272
00:15:24,465 --> 00:15:27,093
You're looking and
you're still "Oh my God."

273
00:15:27,135 --> 00:15:28,845
You look at the other one,
"Oh my God."

274
00:15:28,886 --> 00:15:30,847
And then you realize
that they're looking at you

275
00:15:30,888 --> 00:15:32,598
or everybody else
is looking at you too.

276
00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,184
To have all three of them
in the house at one time...

277
00:15:36,727 --> 00:15:39,272
it... it was
really madness.

278
00:15:40,731 --> 00:15:44,152
My emotions were shock,
shock and more shock.

279
00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:48,739
I mean, I can't explain it,

280
00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:51,367
I haven't got the terminology.

281
00:15:53,202 --> 00:15:55,788
One of our reporters came
running over to me and said

282
00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:58,040
"You're not gonna believe this,

283
00:15:58,082 --> 00:16:02,336
"you are not gonna believe
the call we just got.

284
00:16:02,378 --> 00:16:04,839
"You know the two kids
on the front page today?

285
00:16:04,881 --> 00:16:07,216
"Well, there's a third."

286
00:16:07,258 --> 00:16:09,844
They even moved the same way.

287
00:16:12,430 --> 00:16:13,806
All of us just sat back

288
00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:18,728
and watched three separate
lives becoming one.

289
00:16:20,938 --> 00:16:22,231
The way I put it was

290
00:16:22,273 --> 00:16:24,734
I looked more like Eddy
than I did David,

291
00:16:24,775 --> 00:16:26,986
and more like David
than I did Eddy,

292
00:16:27,028 --> 00:16:30,031
and more like either of them
than they did like each other.

293
00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:31,824
Does that make sense?

294
00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:43,169
And then we started
comparing notes.

295
00:16:43,211 --> 00:16:45,755
What do 19-year-olds compare?

296
00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:53,387
Booze, cigarettes, food,
women, music, cars.

297
00:16:53,429 --> 00:16:56,766
I had just brought a brand new
Mercury Capri, which I loved.

298
00:16:56,807 --> 00:17:01,604
And Bobby had this,
Maroon beat up old Volvo

299
00:17:01,646 --> 00:17:03,773
with cracked leather seats
and I'm thinking,

300
00:17:03,814 --> 00:17:08,611
"Hmm, son of a prominent
Scarsdale physician, huh?"

301
00:17:10,404 --> 00:17:12,740
I think it was Eddy who said

302
00:17:12,782 --> 00:17:14,408
right at the beginning,

303
00:17:14,450 --> 00:17:19,872
"I don't know if this will turn
out to be great or terrible."

304
00:17:19,914 --> 00:17:24,544
So, there was always a question
mark, a big question mark,

305
00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:28,089
about where the story
eventually was going.

306
00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:31,175
We didn't realize from then on

307
00:17:31,217 --> 00:17:34,345
just how much
things were going to change.

308
00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:36,597
'Now one of the most remarkable
stories I've seen in some time:

309
00:17:36,639 --> 00:17:37,682
'a story about triplets.

310
00:17:40,685 --> 00:17:44,564
'Eddy and Robert and David
reunited after 19 years.'

311
00:17:44,605 --> 00:17:46,857
'We have a story about triplets
that gives new meaning

312
00:17:46,899 --> 00:17:48,401
'to the phrase
long lost brothers.'

313
00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:53,698
We went on everything.
Everything.

314
00:17:53,739 --> 00:17:55,324
'You're not seeing double

315
00:17:55,366 --> 00:17:57,118
'you are perhaps in a moment
going to be seeing triple.'

316
00:17:57,159 --> 00:17:58,452
'I don't know who's who here.

317
00:17:58,494 --> 00:18:02,790
'Come on out here, gentlemen,
come on out.'

318
00:18:02,832 --> 00:18:04,458
You just had to stop
what you're doing

319
00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:08,838
and watch them
on every different show.

320
00:18:08,879 --> 00:18:11,424
It became a circus,
it became a media circus.

321
00:18:11,465 --> 00:18:14,343
Talk about viral, I mean this
was... it was viral even then.

322
00:18:14,385 --> 00:18:16,679
'You guys have been on the
front page of every newspaper

323
00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:18,931
- 'in the world.'
- 'True.'

324
00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:22,768
"People Magazine",
"Time Magazine",

325
00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:26,063
even the "New York Times",
"Good Housekeeping".

326
00:18:28,232 --> 00:18:29,525
'David, let's begin with you.

327
00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:30,693
'Which one's David,
I keep forgetting?'

328
00:18:30,735 --> 00:18:32,111
- 'You're Edward?'
- 'Right.'

329
00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:33,404
'OK, who are you,
are you David?'

330
00:18:33,446 --> 00:18:34,739
- 'I'm Bobby.'
- 'Oh, you're... I'm sorry.

331
00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:37,408
'You're Robert, all right.
Robert and Edward.'

332
00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:39,660
- 'Come on.'

333
00:18:42,872 --> 00:18:46,667
It was a fairy tale story.

334
00:18:46,709 --> 00:18:50,171
And people need to hear
wonderful things.

335
00:18:50,212 --> 00:18:52,214
'These three young men,

336
00:18:52,256 --> 00:18:55,426
'they're all seated
in the same position.'

337
00:18:57,887 --> 00:19:00,723
It was kind of amazing.
They really were strangers.

338
00:19:00,765 --> 00:19:01,974
They looked identical
to each other

339
00:19:02,016 --> 00:19:03,809
but they were strangers, right?

340
00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:05,227
You know, they really
didn't know one another.

341
00:19:05,269 --> 00:19:08,314
But their behaviors
were so similar.

342
00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:10,983
'Our lives are parallel
to a phenomenal degree.

343
00:19:11,025 --> 00:19:12,943
'It's, it's ridiculous.'

344
00:19:12,985 --> 00:19:14,487
'We're all the same,

345
00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:15,821
'as soon as we started
discussing our personalities.'

346
00:19:15,863 --> 00:19:17,448
'Personalities are the same,
our gestures are the same.'

347
00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:18,783
'We always talk
at the same time.'

348
00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:20,660
'I'll start a sentence
and he'll finish it.'

349
00:19:20,701 --> 00:19:22,036
'We all like
Chinese food.'

350
00:19:22,078 --> 00:19:22,870
'You were all
wrestlers at one time?'

351
00:19:22,912 --> 00:19:24,246
'Yes.'

352
00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:25,539
'You all smoke the same brand
of cigarettes?'

353
00:19:25,581 --> 00:19:26,957
'Yes.'

354
00:19:26,999 --> 00:19:28,626
'What kind
of cigarettes do you smoke?'

355
00:19:28,668 --> 00:19:29,669
'Marlboro.'

356
00:19:29,710 --> 00:19:31,045
'Do you all smoke
the same brand?'

357
00:19:31,087 --> 00:19:32,505
'Yes.'

358
00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:35,216
- 'Do you like the same colors?'
- 'Yes.'

359
00:19:35,257 --> 00:19:37,134
'Yeah, I was curious,
how's their taste in women,

360
00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,720
- 'is it similar?'
- 'Yes. Definitely.'

361
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:43,683
It seems they all liked
older women.

362
00:19:43,724 --> 00:19:45,851
'Somebody said
you all liked older women.'

363
00:19:45,893 --> 00:19:47,353
'Well...'

364
00:19:51,232 --> 00:19:53,150
'Another astonishing coincidence

365
00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:56,362
'is that each of the brothers
grew up with an adoptive sister,

366
00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:59,240
'all the girls
now 21 years old.'

367
00:20:02,076 --> 00:20:03,828
'I can't get over it,
I tell you.'

368
00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:05,621
'An extraordinary string
of coincidences

369
00:20:05,663 --> 00:20:06,706
'you all have to agree,
right?'

370
00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:07,998
'It's beautiful.'

371
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,333
'You say you love each other,

372
00:20:09,375 --> 00:20:11,085
'but you're only known each
other for such a short time.'

373
00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:12,586
'Doesn't matter, I've known
them my whole life.'

374
00:20:12,628 --> 00:20:14,463
'How long did it take for you
to have that feeling?'

375
00:20:14,505 --> 00:20:15,840
- 'Like that.'

376
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,469
They were more like clones

377
00:20:20,511 --> 00:20:24,098
than they were like brothers.

378
00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:27,935
It was just absolutely
astounding because they grew up

379
00:20:27,977 --> 00:20:30,354
it would appear to be
pretty different households.

380
00:20:35,776 --> 00:20:39,488
We'd been adopted
by a blue-collar family,

381
00:20:39,530 --> 00:20:43,033
a middle-class family
and a more affluent family.

382
00:20:47,496 --> 00:20:51,292
Bobby's parents, Bobby's father
was a medical doctor.

383
00:20:52,668 --> 00:20:55,421
And his mother was an attorney.

384
00:20:55,463 --> 00:20:57,339
So they were very well educated
and they were living

385
00:20:57,381 --> 00:21:02,553
in one of the most prestigious
areas of the country.

386
00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:10,186
Eddy's father was a teacher,
he had a college education.

387
00:21:10,227 --> 00:21:13,397
And they lived
in what would be considered

388
00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,525
a middle-class neighborhood.

389
00:21:18,819 --> 00:21:25,242
My family on paper
were the least educated,

390
00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:30,206
they were immigrants, English
was a second language to them,

391
00:21:30,247 --> 00:21:32,458
they had a little store,

392
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:37,421
they were the more
blue-collar family.

393
00:21:37,463 --> 00:21:39,548
Hmm, but my father was just

394
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:44,345
this incredibly generous
warm guy.

395
00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:48,224
David's father, Richard was,
uh... was larger than life.

396
00:21:51,852 --> 00:21:53,979
If you could imagine this guy
was a big guy,

397
00:21:54,021 --> 00:21:57,691
with a big cigar always
hanging out of his mouth.

398
00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:02,321
We referred to him as 'bubala'.

399
00:22:02,363 --> 00:22:04,240
He was Bubala.

400
00:22:04,281 --> 00:22:07,034
If you know Yiddish,
'bubala' it's like love,

401
00:22:07,076 --> 00:22:10,246
it's hugging and it's kissing.

402
00:22:10,287 --> 00:22:12,414
We spent more time
at David's house

403
00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:14,750
than any place else.

404
00:22:14,792 --> 00:22:19,547
Bubala celebrated us
like no other person.

405
00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:21,423
He said, "I have two more sons."

406
00:22:28,097 --> 00:22:29,640
When the boys found each other

407
00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:32,476
it just sort of happened

408
00:22:32,518 --> 00:22:33,978
then and there.

409
00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:35,813
Here is this wonderful story

410
00:22:35,855 --> 00:22:37,606
and that's it.

411
00:22:37,648 --> 00:22:40,484
Nobody questioned
what was going on

412
00:22:40,526 --> 00:22:42,236
except the parents of course.

413
00:22:45,823 --> 00:22:48,826
When the families met up
the first time

414
00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:51,829
there was great anger
in all of them

415
00:22:51,871 --> 00:22:55,332
about the fact that the parents
had never been told

416
00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:57,376
that there were
two other children.

417
00:22:59,753 --> 00:23:03,591
They didn't tell us
a word when we were adopting.

418
00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:05,801
We knew nothing
about the other two

419
00:23:05,843 --> 00:23:10,306
until, er... the boys met
at, at school,

420
00:23:10,347 --> 00:23:12,558
that was 20 years later.

421
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:18,188
The first thing
that hit me was what they lost.

422
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:21,692
I believe they were six months
old when they were separated.

423
00:23:21,734 --> 00:23:25,404
If you imagine those three
little bodies lying together

424
00:23:25,446 --> 00:23:31,702
and suddenly the coldness
of being alone in a crib.

425
00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:36,248
It's a terrible deprivation.

426
00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:42,379
I remember being told
by my mother

427
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:46,383
when I was a baby that I would
slam my head against the wall,

428
00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:48,385
I would basically
knock myself out.

429
00:23:48,427 --> 00:23:50,971
My mother said
that I would bang my head

430
00:23:51,013 --> 00:23:52,431
on the inside of the crib...

431
00:23:55,351 --> 00:24:00,230
...and I would hold my breath
until I passed out.

432
00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:05,361
I believe it was absolutely
separation anxiety

433
00:24:09,323 --> 00:24:12,826
All of us had been adopted
from Louise Wise Services.

434
00:24:12,868 --> 00:24:14,870
'Louise Wise Services,

435
00:24:14,912 --> 00:24:19,333
'the New York institution
founded back in 1916

436
00:24:19,375 --> 00:24:21,210
'overseen by a board
of directors

437
00:24:21,251 --> 00:24:22,962
'drawn from New York City's

438
00:24:23,003 --> 00:24:25,923
'social, financial
and political elite.'

439
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:30,469
They were the pre-eminent
adoption agency

440
00:24:30,511 --> 00:24:34,765
on the East Coast
for Jewish babies in particular.

441
00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:37,309
That was the place to go.

442
00:24:37,351 --> 00:24:39,687
What we have felt

443
00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:41,647
at Louise Wise Services

444
00:24:41,689 --> 00:24:43,148
where I have been active

445
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:46,193
for a great long time,

446
00:24:46,235 --> 00:24:49,238
is that adoptive parents
should be told

447
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:53,826
as much about the background
of a child as is reasonable.

448
00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:57,830
Our parents they, they, they
wanted answers, they were angry.

449
00:24:57,871 --> 00:25:01,834
And they arranged a meeting
and they... the six of them

450
00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:06,880
went in to Louise Wise Agency
to try to get some answers

451
00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:09,925
in terms of piecing together
what happened.

452
00:25:21,395 --> 00:25:27,735
There was a meeting with
the top brass at the agency.

453
00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,528
And they were asked,

454
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:32,698
"Is it true that you separated
these boys at birth?"

455
00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:41,457
And they said, "Yes, we did."

456
00:25:44,835 --> 00:25:46,670
Why?

457
00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:50,799
How could you not tell us?

458
00:25:50,841 --> 00:25:53,552
What did you do?

459
00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:55,929
Why and how could you?

460
00:25:58,057 --> 00:26:00,559
They said the reason was

461
00:26:00,601 --> 00:26:06,315
because it was hard to place
three children in one home.

462
00:26:06,356 --> 00:26:08,400
The parents had been told that

463
00:26:08,442 --> 00:26:11,528
it was in our best interests
that we'd been split up.

464
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:16,075
That not every parent
would welcome triplets,

465
00:26:16,116 --> 00:26:20,996
and that triplets would be
difficult to place.

466
00:26:21,038 --> 00:26:26,710
Which... I think at that moment
my father blew his stack.

467
00:26:26,752 --> 00:26:29,838
And just said,
"We would've taken all three.

468
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,843
"There's no question."
And he was furious.

469
00:26:34,885 --> 00:26:37,387
Well, the meeting
came to an end.

470
00:26:39,765 --> 00:26:41,391
They all left.

471
00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:44,520
They felt like
they had gotten nothing.

472
00:26:44,561 --> 00:26:47,940
And my father realized that he
had left his umbrella in there.

473
00:26:52,569 --> 00:26:55,823
And he went back
to get the umbrella.

474
00:26:58,992 --> 00:27:01,954
And he walked into the room

475
00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:05,916
to see them breaking open
a bottle of champagne...

476
00:27:08,585 --> 00:27:12,131
and toasting each other
as if they had dodged a bullet.

477
00:27:15,342 --> 00:27:22,891
They looked like they'd
just missed getting hurt

478
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:25,519
or killed or what have you.

479
00:27:25,561 --> 00:27:30,232
It was a, er...
that was memorable.

480
00:27:31,942 --> 00:27:34,987
All of our parents came
away from that meeting angry.

481
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:44,121
The parents went to some pretty
prestigious New York law firms

482
00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:48,458
and initially they were met
with a lot of enthusiasm,

483
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:52,212
and, er... invariably within
a short period of time

484
00:27:52,254 --> 00:27:55,132
were told, er...
there's a conflict

485
00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:57,759
and they could not
take the case.

486
00:27:57,801 --> 00:28:01,430
They said, "We have
a number of associates

487
00:28:01,471 --> 00:28:04,892
"who are trying to adopt
through Louise Wise,

488
00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:08,979
"and we don't wanna ruin
their chances."

489
00:28:09,021 --> 00:28:11,398
So, that lawsuit was out.

490
00:28:17,654 --> 00:28:21,116
We were too happy
being together to be that angry.

491
00:28:21,158 --> 00:28:25,370
We didn't understand it and to
a degree we almost didn't care.

492
00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:30,709
Our heads were in the clouds,

493
00:28:30,751 --> 00:28:32,586
we knew our parents
were pissed off

494
00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:35,964
but it was almost like, "Well,
that's our parents' thing to do"

495
00:28:36,006 --> 00:28:38,050
while we were out partying.

496
00:28:39,301 --> 00:28:41,220
♪ Friday night
and everyone's moving...

497
00:28:41,261 --> 00:28:45,057
This was New York in 1980.

498
00:28:45,098 --> 00:28:46,683
Drugs were different,
people were different,

499
00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:48,769
sex was different,
music was different.

500
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:53,148
Phew! We just, we just took
advantage of all those things.

501
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:56,068
Sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll.

502
00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:59,947
♪ We're the kids in America,
whoa... ♪

503
00:28:59,988 --> 00:29:02,115
They were running amok
in New York, I'll say.

504
00:29:04,201 --> 00:29:09,248
Studio 54 was cooking.
Limelight. Copacabana.

505
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:12,251
They were hitting them all.

506
00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:14,878
New York loved us.
New York loved us.

507
00:29:17,881 --> 00:29:20,634
All the newspapers
were following the boys around

508
00:29:20,676 --> 00:29:21,760
no matter where we went.

509
00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:26,431
I remember one morning
walking in

510
00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:31,395
and my mother throwing
the "New York Post" at me,

511
00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:34,231
at the kitchen table saying,
"I gotta look at the paper

512
00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,817
"to find out where you were
last night?"

513
00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:42,447
The boys thought
they were gonna be stars,

514
00:29:42,489 --> 00:29:47,411
and actually they did star
in one movie.

515
00:29:47,452 --> 00:29:50,706
Walking down the street,
all of a sudden we hear,

516
00:29:50,747 --> 00:29:53,792
"Guys, guys, you're the guys!

517
00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:55,377
"Could you please be
in our movie?

518
00:29:55,419 --> 00:29:56,461
"Please be in my movie."

519
00:30:02,342 --> 00:30:06,471
We didn't know who she was,
and she was, she was Madonna.

520
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:09,391
The stood on the side
and ogled her.

521
00:30:09,433 --> 00:30:11,435
Pretty soon we got
an apartment together,

522
00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:14,771
the triplets apartment.

523
00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:16,315
The triplet's apartment.

524
00:30:16,356 --> 00:30:21,737
Hmm, it's like if you had
the most bachelor apartment

525
00:30:21,778 --> 00:30:23,030
times three.

526
00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:24,865
The liquor store
used to deliver the liquor.

527
00:30:27,617 --> 00:30:31,872
At one point
Eddy had appendicitis.

528
00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:33,749
He had no insurance.

529
00:30:33,790 --> 00:30:37,377
And so he checked
into the hospital as Bobby.

530
00:30:37,419 --> 00:30:39,963
And had his appendix taken out.
As Bobby.

531
00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:42,966
I hope to this day Bobby's
appendix stays pretty healthy.

532
00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:46,720
Between working together,
playing together,

533
00:30:46,762 --> 00:30:49,097
going out together,
going on dates together,

534
00:30:49,139 --> 00:30:50,599
living together,

535
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,063
from the time we met till...
well till later

536
00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:59,858
there was nothing, nothing
that could keep us apart.

537
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:03,111
I feel like I was
the first serious girlfriend.

538
00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:07,866
Initially I couldn't really
tell them apart

539
00:31:07,908 --> 00:31:09,284
and I would bump into them

540
00:31:09,326 --> 00:31:11,119
and I wasn't quite sure

541
00:31:11,161 --> 00:31:14,456
which one I was
going out with, so...

542
00:31:14,498 --> 00:31:19,586
Bob has this very raw, natural,
type of intelligence

543
00:31:19,628 --> 00:31:21,880
that I think
I was attracted too.

544
00:31:21,922 --> 00:31:27,844
I always thought David
was the best, right,

545
00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:29,262
of the three of them.

546
00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:31,431
I, I've said it
before, you know,

547
00:31:31,473 --> 00:31:33,975
"I got the pick of the litter."

548
00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:38,438
Without a doubt, Eddy
was the, er... handsomest

549
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,650
of all the three
triplets, you know.

550
00:31:41,691 --> 00:31:43,443
Of course, I'm partial

551
00:31:43,485 --> 00:31:46,113
but, you know, I adored him.

552
00:31:48,407 --> 00:31:53,328
When I met him,
he was the last holdout.

553
00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:58,667
The Casanova of the three
and, er... I said,

554
00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:01,837
"Oh boy, this guy's
a real bachelor, like player."

555
00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:07,467
But he was so warm in his smile

556
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:11,179
and he had wonderful
beautiful hands, soft hands

557
00:32:11,221 --> 00:32:13,890
and when I shook his hand
I mean, I just, I...

558
00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,559
You know, I just
fell in love with him.

559
00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:22,441
I'm from a big colorful
Irish catholic family

560
00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:24,734
and he was a Jewish guy.

561
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:27,487
When he came to the house
for the first time,

562
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:31,700
he looked at my dad and he said,

563
00:32:31,741 --> 00:32:34,911
"I don't know if you know this,
Mr Shanley,

564
00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:37,247
"I've been seeing Brenda
every night pretty much

565
00:32:37,289 --> 00:32:38,915
"since the first day I met her."

566
00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:40,667
And I thought, "Oh my God,

567
00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:43,170
"my dad knows that, you know,
we're together every night."

568
00:32:43,211 --> 00:32:46,923
And my dad just sort of, you
know, looked at me like, "OK"

569
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,091
and that was Eddy.

570
00:32:49,134 --> 00:32:50,886
- 'I do.'
- 'I do.'

571
00:33:01,521 --> 00:33:02,647
'We love you.'

572
00:33:11,781 --> 00:33:13,241
Everyone loved him.

573
00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:17,871
If there was a scale,
Bobby would be reserved,

574
00:33:17,913 --> 00:33:19,372
David would be middle

575
00:33:19,414 --> 00:33:22,709
and Eddy was just
the loveable, mushy,

576
00:33:22,751 --> 00:33:24,878
huggable, funny,

577
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,173
you know, he just exuded
warmth and love.

578
00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:40,352
'Jamie's first
Thanksgiving with Daddy.'

579
00:33:40,393 --> 00:33:43,355
- 'Hi, look who's here.'
- 'Yes, Daddy.'

580
00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:44,940
'Daddy decided to show up

581
00:33:44,981 --> 00:33:48,193
'and make a special
guest appearance.'

582
00:33:48,235 --> 00:33:53,782
♪ 'Happy birthday, dear Jamie

583
00:33:53,823 --> 00:33:56,952
♪ 'Happy birthday to you' ♪

584
00:33:56,993 --> 00:33:58,954
He loved family gatherings.

585
00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:05,502
You know, Eddy
really, really loved

586
00:34:05,544 --> 00:34:08,880
being around David and Bobby.

587
00:34:08,922 --> 00:34:13,468
Eddy seemed to get the most out
of the three of them meeting.

588
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:15,095
For whatever reason.

589
00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:22,769
He wanted his brothers
and him to have a beautiful life

590
00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:26,982
and everyone to get along

591
00:34:27,023 --> 00:34:31,361
and he wanted everyone
to be one big family.

592
00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:37,826
Eddy was absolutely
the driving force

593
00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:41,871
in terms of leading the search
for our birth mother.

594
00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:44,249
He got a fever
and he just wanted to do it.

595
00:34:45,292 --> 00:34:47,002
And Alan was also rallying,

596
00:34:47,043 --> 00:34:49,337
because it was just
an exciting thing to do.

597
00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:51,464
We figured what are the chances

598
00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:57,971
of having triplets
born in New York

599
00:34:58,722 --> 00:35:02,225
on July 12th 1961.

600
00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:06,354
We figured out
that New York public library

601
00:35:06,396 --> 00:35:09,024
shared birth records.

602
00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:12,277
We each grabbed a book

603
00:35:12,319 --> 00:35:15,488
and went page by page
by page by page by page,

604
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:18,283
and within a couple of hours,
it was, "Bingo!"

605
00:35:18,325 --> 00:35:22,871
Male, male, male.
Three in a row.

606
00:35:22,912 --> 00:35:24,873
All born July 12th 1961.

607
00:35:26,333 --> 00:35:30,837
Right next to it,
birth mother's last name.

608
00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:38,428
The first meeting was a bar
on like, 47th Street.

609
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:41,806
It was like, her local
neighborhood watering hole

610
00:35:41,848 --> 00:35:45,727
on the East side,
and it was awkward.

611
00:35:45,769 --> 00:35:48,730
She told the story
of what happened.

612
00:35:48,772 --> 00:35:51,483
Unfortunately it wasn't
a romantic story.

613
00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:53,568
She was a young girl.

614
00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:57,822
Basically, prom night
knock up type thing.

615
00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:08,124
I don't think
she ever got over the fact

616
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:12,003
that she had triplets
and had to give them up.

617
00:36:14,255 --> 00:36:16,424
You know, to us at 19,

618
00:36:16,466 --> 00:36:18,134
you drink like a fish,
you think you're invincible.

619
00:36:22,055 --> 00:36:24,974
But we found it
a little concerning

620
00:36:25,016 --> 00:36:29,396
that she was pretty much
keeping up with us, you know.

621
00:36:29,437 --> 00:36:32,732
Er... the apple doesn't fall
that far from the tree

622
00:36:32,774 --> 00:36:36,778
and if that's the tree,
I was less than thrilled,

623
00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:42,575
and we had our parents already,
so we met her and it was OK.

624
00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:49,582
But she was not a particularly
close part of our lives.

625
00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:56,881
We were all young and starting
our marriages and careers.

626
00:36:56,923 --> 00:36:58,591
'Hi, welcome to Triplets.'

627
00:36:58,633 --> 00:37:01,428
'David Kellman,
Eddy Galland and Robert Shafran

628
00:37:01,469 --> 00:37:03,346
'are identical triplets.

629
00:37:03,388 --> 00:37:05,098
'Now they run a New York
restaurant called,

630
00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:07,267
'what else, you guessed,
Triplets.'

631
00:37:13,106 --> 00:37:16,401
'Welcome. Hello.
Welcome, welcome.'

632
00:37:16,443 --> 00:37:18,611
We had a lot of people
who were coming for us.

633
00:37:18,653 --> 00:37:21,030
They came to see the triplets.

634
00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:23,199
They wanted to be waited
on by one of the triplets.

635
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,368
We served vodka frozen
blocks of ice,

636
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:27,829
and we'd get the whole room
up and dancing.

637
00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:33,668
It was like this
big party going on,

638
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:34,961
it was like this big
Bar Mitzvah.

639
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,469
'Triplets become
wildly successful

640
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:43,720
'owning a restaurant

641
00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:45,388
'in the Soho district
of New York City.'

642
00:37:48,725 --> 00:37:50,852
We did over
a million dollars first year.

643
00:37:56,566 --> 00:38:00,820
That's when things
kinda got funky.

644
00:38:17,587 --> 00:38:20,215
In the mid-90s
I started working on a story

645
00:38:20,256 --> 00:38:22,300
for "The New Yorker" magazine

646
00:38:22,342 --> 00:38:25,303
about identical twins
reared apart.

647
00:38:27,347 --> 00:38:28,807
I've always thought,

648
00:38:28,848 --> 00:38:30,058
"What would it be like
if you turned

649
00:38:30,099 --> 00:38:33,853
"the corner one day
and you saw yourself?"

650
00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:40,735
In the process of my research,

651
00:38:40,777 --> 00:38:45,156
I came across this obscure
scientific article.

652
00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:56,084
It referenced this secret study

653
00:38:56,125 --> 00:38:59,546
in which identical siblings
had been separated.

654
00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:07,136
I was shocked and intrigued.

655
00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:11,474
They were separating
identical babies at birth

656
00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:15,103
for the purpose
of this scientific experiment.

657
00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:17,564
And these babies had all come

658
00:39:17,605 --> 00:39:21,192
from one adoption agency
in New York City.

659
00:39:23,111 --> 00:39:24,904
'The first thing out of my mouth

660
00:39:24,946 --> 00:39:26,447
'was, "Were you adopted?"'

661
00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:27,949
'There I am,
this can't be real.'

662
00:39:27,991 --> 00:39:29,701
'Twins separated
at birth.'

663
00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:33,580
'Eddy and Robert and
David reunited after 19 years.'

664
00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:35,999
'It's beautiful.'

665
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,251
'Blue-collar family,
middle-class family

666
00:39:38,293 --> 00:39:39,836
'and a more affluent family.'

667
00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:44,090
'Adoptive parents should be told
as much as is reasonable.'

668
00:39:44,132 --> 00:39:45,842
'Something
was just not right.'

669
00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:48,761
'They were breaking
open a bottle of champagne

670
00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,222
'as if they had
dodged a bullet.'

671
00:39:52,682 --> 00:39:56,352
'All of us were adopted
from Louise Wise.'

672
00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,229
'Louise Wise.'

673
00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:02,066
'And these babies had all come
from Louise Wise Services.'

674
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:14,913
Lawrence Wright called me

675
00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:19,292
and he told me
all about the experiment.

676
00:40:19,334 --> 00:40:21,628
And I said, "This is
like Nazi shit."

677
00:40:30,178 --> 00:40:34,015
It was kind of like reality
hitting like a tidal wave.

678
00:40:36,392 --> 00:40:39,771
We were a science experiment.

679
00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:47,070
These people split us up
and studied us like lab rats.

680
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:50,865
We didn't recognize this stuff
until it was put in our face,

681
00:40:50,907 --> 00:40:52,325
until it was in newsprint.

682
00:40:56,537 --> 00:41:00,124
But there were clues
in the past.

683
00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:04,837
I remember
from a very young age...

684
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:10,176
...people would come
to the house...

685
00:41:11,803 --> 00:41:14,430
...usually a young man
and a young woman.

686
00:41:21,145 --> 00:41:23,439
And they had me taking tests.

687
00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:27,443
They did IQ tests,
personality inventory tests,

688
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:30,405
they did eye hand
co-ordination tests.

689
00:41:30,446 --> 00:41:36,077
I do remember people coming
to the house, having tests done,

690
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:43,376
square pegs and round holes,
and Rorschach ink block tests.

691
00:41:43,418 --> 00:41:46,087
"What does this mean to you?"
that kind of stuff.

692
00:41:49,674 --> 00:41:51,926
Eddy told me
that when he was younger,

693
00:41:51,968 --> 00:41:57,265
he remembers people
watching him and taking notes,

694
00:41:57,306 --> 00:41:59,100
and they would ask him questions

695
00:41:59,142 --> 00:42:01,436
and he would get frustrated
with the questions,

696
00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:06,357
and he remembers
they were videotaping him.

697
00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:08,776
I remember the filming
more than anything else.

698
00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:16,451
I remember having
super 8mm films taken of me

699
00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:19,328
when I was on the swing set,
or on the slide.

700
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:21,956
Every single time they came
they filmed.

701
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,002
Riding my bike, throwing a ball,

702
00:42:26,044 --> 00:42:27,837
and they wanted to see
how many times I could,

703
00:42:27,879 --> 00:42:30,339
you know, go on my pogo stick,
roller-skating,

704
00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:32,633
throwing a Frisbee,
shooting a bow and arrow,

705
00:42:32,675 --> 00:42:34,093
you know, they had my attention.

706
00:42:34,135 --> 00:42:35,344
I was performing.

707
00:42:36,929 --> 00:42:41,601
The stuff they did would be
more complex as I got older.

708
00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:44,771
I felt weird about it,
I didn't really understand

709
00:42:44,812 --> 00:42:46,773
why they needed
to come so often,

710
00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:49,317
why were they asking me
all these questions.

711
00:42:49,358 --> 00:42:51,235
Somewhere around age
of nine or ten

712
00:42:51,277 --> 00:42:53,237
I started becoming
less comfortable with it,

713
00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:55,865
and it was kinda like, "Mom,
do I still have to do this?

714
00:42:57,450 --> 00:43:00,286
"Do I still have to do this?"

715
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:03,748
When our parents adopted us

716
00:43:03,790 --> 00:43:06,918
they were each told
that we were being followed

717
00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:08,419
as part of a normal study

718
00:43:08,461 --> 00:43:11,506
of the development
of adopted children.

719
00:43:11,547 --> 00:43:18,012
They had no idea
that we'd been separated.

720
00:43:18,054 --> 00:43:22,642
The agency said the children
born in this period of time

721
00:43:22,683 --> 00:43:26,979
were all gonna be in a normal
study of adopted children.

722
00:43:27,021 --> 00:43:34,654
And, as far as we knew,
that was it.

723
00:43:34,695 --> 00:43:37,240
That this was a new thing
they were going to follow up

724
00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:42,662
with all the children
and at the time we accepted it.

725
00:43:44,247 --> 00:43:46,249
You're talking
about a group of people

726
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:50,378
that went and held a baby

727
00:43:50,419 --> 00:43:54,966
and did psychological testing
on a six-month-old baby,

728
00:43:55,007 --> 00:43:59,554
and then went to another house
to see his brother,

729
00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:02,974
and then went to another house
to see his brother,

730
00:44:03,015 --> 00:44:08,354
and did this over years
and years and years and years

731
00:44:08,396 --> 00:44:10,189
with full knowledge

732
00:44:10,231 --> 00:44:12,233
that we were within
a 100-mile radius,

733
00:44:13,442 --> 00:44:16,737
and not knowing each other.

734
00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:20,449
It's just unconscionable.

735
00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:25,454
Who would think that anybody
would be evil enough

736
00:44:25,496 --> 00:44:29,292
to come up
with something like this?

737
00:44:36,591 --> 00:44:38,634
In the process of my research,

738
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:42,555
I learned is that the person
really in charge of the study

739
00:44:42,597 --> 00:44:46,684
was Dr Peter Neubauer,

740
00:44:48,186 --> 00:44:51,022
very distinguished psychiatrist
in New York,

741
00:44:51,063 --> 00:44:53,774
director of the Freud archives.

742
00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:57,778
He was an Austrian refugee
from the Holocaust

743
00:44:57,820 --> 00:45:00,740
and he set up shop in New York
and became, you know,

744
00:45:00,781 --> 00:45:05,995
one of the great men
of psychiatry in America.

745
00:45:06,037 --> 00:45:09,290
What I learned is that people
at the Louise Wise agency

746
00:45:09,332 --> 00:45:12,627
were separating
identical siblings

747
00:45:12,668 --> 00:45:15,880
and then a team of scientists
led by Neubauer

748
00:45:15,922 --> 00:45:18,382
would follow them.

749
00:45:18,424 --> 00:45:22,011
But it wasn't just the triplets.

750
00:45:23,012 --> 00:45:24,680
There were others.

751
00:45:26,474 --> 00:45:28,684
After my article came out

752
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:31,938
another twin set
discovered themselves.

753
00:45:31,979 --> 00:45:33,522
'And here they are now.

754
00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:34,690
'I appreciate you coming
on the show today.'

755
00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:36,859
- 'Our pleasure.'
- 'Paula and Elyse.'

756
00:45:40,446 --> 00:45:44,992
'The story is incredible.
Is that the way to tell it?'

757
00:45:45,034 --> 00:45:47,662
'It's funny. I mean, we say
if it hadn't happened to us

758
00:45:47,703 --> 00:45:50,998
- 'we wouldn't believe it.'
- 'This is a Disney movie.'

759
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,792
'It's a little darker
than a Disney movie.

760
00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:54,835
'I was at home
in my apartment in Brooklyn

761
00:45:54,877 --> 00:45:56,504
'with my two-year-old daughter,

762
00:45:56,545 --> 00:45:59,715
'and the phone rings
and I answer the phone

763
00:45:59,757 --> 00:46:01,259
'and it was the adoption agency.

764
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:03,261
"'We've got some news for you,
you've got a twin sister.

765
00:46:03,302 --> 00:46:04,679
"And she's looking for you."'

766
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,306
'You were both editors
of your high school paper,

767
00:46:07,348 --> 00:46:08,933
'you both went to film school.'

768
00:46:08,975 --> 00:46:10,559
'Well, it's funny because I
don't know if you noticed...'

769
00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:13,813
'Our mannerisms are inherited.'

770
00:46:13,854 --> 00:46:15,773
'I contacted the adoption agency

771
00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:18,025
'and I asked them, "Well,
why we were separated?"'

772
00:46:18,067 --> 00:46:19,527
'That's the million-dollar
question of this story.'

773
00:46:19,568 --> 00:46:20,945
'And they said,
"For a twin study."

774
00:46:20,987 --> 00:46:22,947
'We felt that our lives
had been orchestrated

775
00:46:22,989 --> 00:46:25,283
'by these scientific researchers

776
00:46:25,324 --> 00:46:27,785
'who put their scientific needs,

777
00:46:27,827 --> 00:46:30,997
'research needs or desires,
their career interests

778
00:46:31,038 --> 00:46:33,249
'before the needs of us,
and the interests of us

779
00:46:33,291 --> 00:46:36,252
'and other twins and triplets
who were separated.'

780
00:46:38,587 --> 00:46:41,048
Nobody is sure
of how many identical twins

781
00:46:41,090 --> 00:46:42,842
were involved in this study.

782
00:46:42,883 --> 00:46:47,430
I was told six to eight,
but we don't really know.

783
00:46:51,517 --> 00:46:52,935
When you have a study like this,

784
00:46:52,977 --> 00:46:55,146
normally you produce the results

785
00:46:55,187 --> 00:46:58,149
and you show how large
the sample is

786
00:46:58,190 --> 00:47:00,109
and all this sort of thing.

787
00:47:00,151 --> 00:47:03,696
But this study
was never published.

788
00:47:03,738 --> 00:47:07,158
Which makes it all
the more intriguing.

789
00:47:08,534 --> 00:47:10,703
We did have an attorney

790
00:47:10,745 --> 00:47:14,081
try to get us
some of the study records.

791
00:47:14,123 --> 00:47:17,460
We received a small amount
of information.

792
00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:20,796
It was very dry, technical data,

793
00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:22,423
that didn't really shed
any light

794
00:47:22,465 --> 00:47:25,051
on the reasons for the study.
It was garbage.

795
00:47:26,635 --> 00:47:28,471
I don't know
what the results were,

796
00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:31,682
or if there ever were results
because I never saw them.

797
00:47:33,476 --> 00:47:35,728
They're trying
to conceal what they did

798
00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:38,189
from the people they did it to.

799
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:39,982
Why?

800
00:47:40,024 --> 00:47:42,610
I mean, what was
the purpose of it?

801
00:47:42,651 --> 00:47:45,613
The study was never
published. Why?

802
00:48:07,843 --> 00:48:09,887
My name is Natasha Josefowitz...

803
00:48:11,597 --> 00:48:15,684
...and I was Peter Neubauer's
research assistant.

804
00:48:22,441 --> 00:48:26,487
So, come on in.
Would you like a cup of coffee?

805
00:48:28,364 --> 00:48:31,325
Here are some of my buddies.

806
00:48:31,367 --> 00:48:34,829
Michelle Obama and I.
She is very tall.

807
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:36,664
I'm like a little shrimp
next to her,

808
00:48:36,705 --> 00:48:38,707
I come up to her right here.

809
00:48:38,749 --> 00:48:40,459
This is Obama three years ago,

810
00:48:40,501 --> 00:48:42,837
and here he is holding
my latest book.

811
00:48:42,878 --> 00:48:45,214
I have to tell you.
I said, "Barack, I love you."

812
00:48:45,256 --> 00:48:48,551
He said, "I love you too", and
he gave me a kiss on this cheek.

813
00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:53,097
Yeah. This is Robert Redford
and Al Gore,

814
00:48:53,139 --> 00:48:56,851
and this is Errol Flynn and me
when I was 18.

815
00:48:56,892 --> 00:48:58,477
I thought he was a hoot.

816
00:48:59,270 --> 00:49:01,272
Picasso's.

817
00:49:03,149 --> 00:49:06,360
When are we gonna talk
about the twin study?

818
00:49:10,197 --> 00:49:13,993
You need to know
I am not part of the team,

819
00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:17,538
I am a peripheral person.
I just do the hearsay.

820
00:49:20,791 --> 00:49:23,085
The first time I heard
about the twin study,

821
00:49:23,127 --> 00:49:27,381
it was still just a dream
in Peter's head.

822
00:49:29,592 --> 00:49:31,051
What was he like?

823
00:49:31,093 --> 00:49:35,764
Hmm... sexy,
nice looking, interesting.

824
00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:40,352
His background
was very Freudian.

825
00:49:40,394 --> 00:49:42,354
Anna Freud, Freud's daughter,

826
00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:45,024
would often come
and visit with him.

827
00:49:46,525 --> 00:49:50,321
He was very focused on wanting
to make a difference

828
00:49:50,362 --> 00:49:52,406
in children's lives.

829
00:49:54,909 --> 00:49:57,369
Peter started thinking,
wouldn't it be interesting

830
00:49:57,411 --> 00:49:59,705
to have a study of mothers

831
00:49:59,747 --> 00:50:01,707
who wanted to give up
their children,

832
00:50:01,749 --> 00:50:03,792
who happen to be identical twins

833
00:50:05,711 --> 00:50:09,465
and then could be
separated at birth?

834
00:50:09,507 --> 00:50:13,719
If we could put them in two
totally different environments,

835
00:50:13,761 --> 00:50:16,680
we would put to rest
the dilemma,

836
00:50:16,722 --> 00:50:19,683
nature or nurture, forever.

837
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,938
Now you may think,
"Oh, this is terrible, you know,

838
00:50:23,979 --> 00:50:25,689
"how could you do this?"

839
00:50:25,731 --> 00:50:29,985
You have to put yourself back
in the late 50s and 60s.

840
00:50:31,737 --> 00:50:36,408
This was not something
that seemed to be bad.

841
00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:39,912
Nobody said, "To take children
apart, how terrible."

842
00:50:39,954 --> 00:50:44,083
That was not at all
in anyone's thoughts.

843
00:50:44,124 --> 00:50:48,504
This was a very exciting time.

844
00:50:48,546 --> 00:50:51,006
Psychology was just beginning
to be the big deal

845
00:50:51,048 --> 00:50:53,259
that everybody
was talking about.

846
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:56,554
This was all in terms
of research. An opportunity.

847
00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:03,561
One of the great questions
that science has ever asked

848
00:51:03,602 --> 00:51:06,063
is "How do we become
the people we are,

849
00:51:06,105 --> 00:51:09,108
"how much of nature
versus how much of nurture

850
00:51:09,149 --> 00:51:11,735
"shapes us into the people
that we become?"

851
00:51:14,488 --> 00:51:17,283
I did not go
and do the research.

852
00:51:17,324 --> 00:51:19,910
But I would hear about it
because I was in the office.

853
00:51:21,996 --> 00:51:25,499
What they found out,
was incredible.

854
00:51:27,543 --> 00:51:30,170
'Our lives are parallel
to a phenomenal degree.

855
00:51:30,212 --> 00:51:32,464
'It's, it's ridiculous.'

856
00:51:32,506 --> 00:51:34,008
'We're all the same,

857
00:51:34,049 --> 00:51:35,301
'as soon as we started
discussing our personalities.'

858
00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:37,303
'Personalities are the same,
our gestures are the same.'

859
00:51:37,344 --> 00:51:38,429
'We always talk
at the same time.'

860
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:40,431
'You were raised
in different homes?'

861
00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:42,141
'True.'

862
00:51:42,182 --> 00:51:47,313
I did not believe that it'd be
as much hereditary as it was,

863
00:51:47,354 --> 00:51:49,315
that was more
than any of us thought.

864
00:51:49,356 --> 00:51:51,066
'I'll start a sentence
and he'll finish it.'

865
00:51:51,108 --> 00:51:52,276
'We all like
Chinese food.'

866
00:51:52,318 --> 00:51:53,569
'You were all wrestlers
at one time?'

867
00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:55,029
'Yes.'

868
00:51:55,070 --> 00:51:56,071
- 'You all smoke cigarettes?'
- 'Yes.'

869
00:51:56,113 --> 00:51:57,573
'Do you all smoke
the same brand?'

870
00:51:57,615 --> 00:51:59,033
'Yes.'

871
00:51:59,074 --> 00:52:01,493
- 'Do you like the same colors?'
- 'Yes.'

872
00:52:01,535 --> 00:52:03,287
'How's their taste in women,
is it similar?'

873
00:52:03,329 --> 00:52:05,456
'Yes. Definitely.'

874
00:52:07,082 --> 00:52:09,084
We are moved to behaviors

875
00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:10,961
that we are totally
unconscious about.

876
00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:17,968
'You were both editors
of your high school paper,

877
00:52:18,010 --> 00:52:19,845
'you both went to film school.'

878
00:52:19,887 --> 00:52:21,221
'I don't know if you noticed...'

879
00:52:21,263 --> 00:52:23,390
'Our mannerisms are inherited.'

880
00:52:26,435 --> 00:52:28,395
It's disturbing,
we don't like that.

881
00:52:28,437 --> 00:52:30,481
People don't like to hear,
they say, "I have free will."

882
00:52:33,651 --> 00:52:38,364
We would prefer that we have
some influence over our lives.

883
00:52:38,405 --> 00:52:40,240
Wouldn't you rather know that?

884
00:52:40,282 --> 00:52:42,493
That you have
some control over this

885
00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:45,579
and so finding out, never mind,
doesn't matter what you do.

886
00:52:49,833 --> 00:52:52,294
So, I think
it's upsetting to people

887
00:52:52,336 --> 00:52:54,546
to see how little influence
they have,

888
00:52:54,588 --> 00:52:55,673
how little control they have.

889
00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:58,801
We don't like that,
we fight that.

890
00:53:06,308 --> 00:53:11,021
If the conclusions of the study
were so shocking

891
00:53:11,063 --> 00:53:13,732
and so earth-shaking,

892
00:53:13,774 --> 00:53:16,068
why haven't you published
your study?

893
00:53:19,113 --> 00:53:22,741
There is a lot
that we don't know.

894
00:53:22,783 --> 00:53:26,578
We have anecdotes
that are very provocative,

895
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:28,956
but we don't know,
we don't have the data.

896
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:35,129
I don't know
what happened to the study.

897
00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:39,007
I moved to Switzerland in 1965

898
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:42,803
and lost touch
with what was going on.

899
00:53:44,847 --> 00:53:48,100
All that research
should be seen.

900
00:53:48,142 --> 00:53:50,978
This study was the first,
and it's also the last,

901
00:53:51,019 --> 00:53:54,314
it will never be done again,
it will never be replicated.

902
00:53:54,356 --> 00:53:56,525
It's monumental,
it's a monumental study.

903
00:54:00,112 --> 00:54:02,364
In terms of the motivation
that they used

904
00:54:02,406 --> 00:54:04,116
to justify what they did,

905
00:54:04,158 --> 00:54:06,535
I don't even care because, I...

906
00:54:06,577 --> 00:54:08,203
It's not justifiable
what they did.

907
00:54:11,832 --> 00:54:15,043
You know what?

908
00:54:15,085 --> 00:54:17,796
Coming from the Holocaust,

909
00:54:17,838 --> 00:54:23,469
our family has a knowledge

910
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:27,264
that when you play
with humans...

911
00:54:30,434 --> 00:54:33,896
...you do something very wrong.

912
00:54:35,606 --> 00:54:41,028
And I really believe that
because of this research,

913
00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:45,574
these three boys
did not have happy endings.

914
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,666
'What were some
of the similarities

915
00:54:54,708 --> 00:54:56,752
'you found that you had
as you were all growing up

916
00:54:56,794 --> 00:55:00,506
'in your own respective
households?'

917
00:55:00,547 --> 00:55:02,674
'We all smoked the same
cigarettes when we met,

918
00:55:02,716 --> 00:55:04,885
'we all wrestled
in high school and junior high,

919
00:55:04,927 --> 00:55:07,054
'we all loved
the same food, er...

920
00:55:07,095 --> 00:55:08,388
'our taste in women
was similar.'

921
00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:10,098
'What are some
of the stranger things

922
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:12,226
'you found out
you had in common?

923
00:55:13,894 --> 00:55:16,271
'Any other more
surprising discoveries?'

924
00:55:16,313 --> 00:55:17,523
'Well, sometimes when you think

925
00:55:17,564 --> 00:55:19,107
'you're having
a unique thought or idea

926
00:55:19,149 --> 00:55:21,276
'and you go to share it
with someone

927
00:55:21,318 --> 00:55:23,153
'and they say, "Your brother
just told me."

928
00:55:23,195 --> 00:55:24,363
- 'It's a little annoying.'
- 'It's funny.'

929
00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:25,781
'It's a little annoying,
it's unnerving.'

930
00:55:27,157 --> 00:55:29,451
Being in business
with my brothers

931
00:55:29,493 --> 00:55:31,954
damaged our relationship.

932
00:55:31,995 --> 00:55:36,583
There were conflicting
work ethics,

933
00:55:36,625 --> 00:55:40,712
and my father had passed away.

934
00:55:43,006 --> 00:55:47,386
He really anchored us together
as a group

935
00:55:47,427 --> 00:55:50,222
and kept the peace so to speak.

936
00:55:50,264 --> 00:55:53,141
They started to argue
like kids would argue, you know.

937
00:55:53,183 --> 00:55:56,520
And they didn't have
that opportunity,

938
00:55:56,562 --> 00:55:59,523
that gift of being able
to be brothers for 18 years.

939
00:55:59,565 --> 00:56:04,695
When you are living
in a family of children

940
00:56:04,736 --> 00:56:08,282
you learn how to adjust
to each other.

941
00:56:08,323 --> 00:56:12,953
If I don't like the way
you do this, I can get angry,

942
00:56:12,995 --> 00:56:16,039
or I can learn to compromise.

943
00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:21,003
But they met as adults.

944
00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:25,007
And had never learned
how to live with each other.

945
00:56:25,048 --> 00:56:28,093
As things went on,
things got more complicated,

946
00:56:28,135 --> 00:56:31,221
and as things
got more complicated,

947
00:56:31,263 --> 00:56:34,224
what ended up happening
was I left.

948
00:56:37,102 --> 00:56:39,688
When Bobby left the business

949
00:56:39,730 --> 00:56:43,901
Eddy and I felt
that we were being betrayed.

950
00:56:43,942 --> 00:56:47,738
Bobby felt that
he was being pushed out.

951
00:56:47,779 --> 00:56:54,328
Either way, it did major, major
damage to the relationship.

952
00:56:56,955 --> 00:57:00,584
I think that took
an extreme toll on Eddy

953
00:57:00,626 --> 00:57:04,087
more so than I think
David and Bobby.

954
00:57:04,129 --> 00:57:05,672
Eddy was always the one

955
00:57:05,714 --> 00:57:09,635
who just wanted to have
everybody be at peace together,

956
00:57:09,676 --> 00:57:11,678
and Eddy was, was very
upset about it.

957
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,222
He was kind of crushed
about it. It was eating at him.

958
00:57:16,808 --> 00:57:18,101
He dearly loved them,

959
00:57:18,143 --> 00:57:20,187
and he wanted his brothers
to be together.

960
00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:24,316
He was just not really sure
how to deal with it all.

961
00:57:24,358 --> 00:57:30,739
You're just seeing a lot more
kind of up and down behaviors,

962
00:57:30,781 --> 00:57:32,240
erratic behaviors.

963
00:57:33,492 --> 00:57:35,118
'Eddy's
growing a beard.'

964
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,954
'Fur face, that's me.'

965
00:57:36,995 --> 00:57:38,372
'Jeez, wake the child.'

966
00:57:38,413 --> 00:57:41,375
'Jamie,
your daddy is fuzzy.'

967
00:57:41,416 --> 00:57:45,420
You're just seeing a lot more
unnatural highs and lows.

968
00:57:45,462 --> 00:57:52,094
He would call people and...
at bizarre hours of the evening,

969
00:57:52,135 --> 00:57:55,138
and then they would say,

970
00:57:55,180 --> 00:58:00,227
"I haven't seen or heard
from Eddy in ten years.

971
00:58:00,268 --> 00:58:02,562
"Why is he picking up
the telephone and calling me

972
00:58:02,604 --> 00:58:04,481
"at two o'clock
in the morning?"

973
00:58:04,523 --> 00:58:07,401
You know, those are,
those are signs.

974
00:58:07,442 --> 00:58:09,820
This was just...
this was more

975
00:58:09,861 --> 00:58:12,364
than just somebody
who needed counselling.

976
00:58:12,406 --> 00:58:15,742
This was, like, really
something very, very serious.

977
00:58:18,161 --> 00:58:21,331
He could be
unbelievably charming.

978
00:58:21,373 --> 00:58:23,000
'Hello!'

979
00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:26,128
But the downswing
was a lot of anger.

980
00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:29,423
Er... there was just
deep, deep darkness.

981
00:58:31,008 --> 00:58:32,217
Manic depression

982
00:58:32,259 --> 00:58:36,096
I think was what
they eventually said.

983
00:58:36,138 --> 00:58:39,266
It made sense in hindsight.

984
00:58:46,982 --> 00:58:48,525
I didn't walk down the aisle

985
00:58:48,567 --> 00:58:50,277
thinking, you know,

986
00:58:50,318 --> 00:58:55,407
"I have a man who is suffering
from manic depression."

987
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,289
People will say, "How
could you not know?", but...

988
00:59:02,330 --> 00:59:05,459
...he was so unique
and so wonderful and special,

989
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:07,461
you just... that was Eddy,
you know.

990
00:59:13,508 --> 00:59:18,388
I was advised that he needed
to be in a... a facility.

991
00:59:24,144 --> 00:59:27,773
I mean, I felt bad that
I put him through this trauma

992
00:59:27,814 --> 00:59:29,483
of going into a psych ward

993
00:59:29,524 --> 00:59:31,777
because I had been in a psych
ward and I know how hard it is.

994
00:59:31,818 --> 00:59:35,822
When I was a kid, I spent my
16th birthday in a psych ward.

995
00:59:37,324 --> 00:59:40,118
We all were really
disturbed kids.

996
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,246
We were all under psychiatric
care when we were teenagers.

997
00:59:47,209 --> 00:59:51,213
We all had very challenging

998
00:59:52,506 --> 00:59:54,716
and dysfunctional teenage years.

999
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,100
Could we ask about personal.

1000
01:00:03,141 --> 01:00:04,434
One of you were involved
in a murder,

1001
01:00:04,476 --> 01:00:05,644
is that right?

1002
01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:09,106
Ah, it's up to you guys.

1003
01:00:09,147 --> 01:00:10,107
No. No.

1004
01:00:10,148 --> 01:00:11,525
People Magazine...

1005
01:00:11,566 --> 01:00:14,945
One was accused of
being involved in a murder.

1006
01:00:15,904 --> 01:00:17,572
And it was me,

1007
01:00:17,614 --> 01:00:20,700
who never met this person
who was killed,

1008
01:00:20,742 --> 01:00:23,745
never was present
or anything like that.

1009
01:00:23,787 --> 01:00:25,455
It was peer pressure.

1010
01:00:25,497 --> 01:00:28,041
Friends pressuring me
into covering for them,

1011
01:00:28,083 --> 01:00:30,085
telling a story for them
to the police

1012
01:00:30,127 --> 01:00:31,711
and that pulled me
right into it.

1013
01:00:31,753 --> 01:00:33,547
I've never hurt anyone
in my life.

1014
01:00:33,588 --> 01:00:36,049
We know it, we can feel it.

1015
01:00:36,091 --> 01:00:37,592
We can feel it.

1016
01:00:42,722 --> 01:00:48,728
A lot of people in this study
had dysfunctional childhoods

1017
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:51,106
and some mental problems

1018
01:00:51,148 --> 01:00:54,359
and it raises questions,
you know.

1019
01:00:54,401 --> 01:00:57,529
If you are a person
who has devoted your life,

1020
01:00:57,571 --> 01:01:00,949
like Dr Neubauer has
to the study of mental illness,

1021
01:01:00,991 --> 01:01:04,995
then is that a factor
that you are researching?

1022
01:01:07,622 --> 01:01:11,668
'The story is incredible.
This is a Disney movie.'

1023
01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:13,712
'It's a little darker
than a Disney movie.'

1024
01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:20,927
When we first met we realized
we had all these similarities,

1025
01:01:20,969 --> 01:01:23,346
we had similar mannerisms,

1026
01:01:23,388 --> 01:01:25,557
we both had studied film.

1027
01:01:27,225 --> 01:01:29,519
And then we also found out

1028
01:01:29,561 --> 01:01:31,980
we both had suffered
from depression.

1029
01:01:34,733 --> 01:01:36,109
So, this is the letter

1030
01:01:36,151 --> 01:01:39,613
that I received
from Louise Wise Services.

1031
01:01:39,654 --> 01:01:44,242
"You were born at 12.51 pm
on October 9 1968

1032
01:01:44,284 --> 01:01:47,329
"to a 29-year-old Jewish
single woman.

1033
01:01:47,370 --> 01:01:49,998
"She was very intelligent
with a high IQ.

1034
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,834
"She entered college
on a merit scholarship

1035
01:01:52,876 --> 01:01:56,504
"but emotional problems
interrupted her attendance.

1036
01:01:56,546 --> 01:01:59,382
"She had a history
of voluntary hospitalizations

1037
01:01:59,424 --> 01:02:01,468
"for emotional problems.

1038
01:02:01,509 --> 01:02:03,303
"Although I have not
been able to locate

1039
01:02:03,345 --> 01:02:07,432
"the original medical reports,
secondary sources noted

1040
01:02:07,474 --> 01:02:09,935
"that your mother's diagnosis
was schizophrenia."

1041
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:14,105
It was really disturbing
to read that my birth mother

1042
01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:17,651
had been in and out
of institutions.

1043
01:02:18,985 --> 01:02:20,779
I started finding out more

1044
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:25,033
about the other twins
and triplets in the study,

1045
01:02:25,075 --> 01:02:27,619
and it turns out that
not only had many of them

1046
01:02:27,661 --> 01:02:30,330
struggled with mental
health problems,

1047
01:02:30,372 --> 01:02:34,251
but that their birth parents
had mental health issues.

1048
01:02:34,292 --> 01:02:37,295
And their adoptive families
had never been told.

1049
01:02:38,755 --> 01:02:40,215
How possible is it

1050
01:02:40,257 --> 01:02:43,760
that your mother
had mental health issues?

1051
01:02:45,095 --> 01:02:51,893
Er... I don't think
they were severe.

1052
01:02:51,935 --> 01:02:55,522
I, I think that she was, er...

1053
01:02:55,563 --> 01:03:01,403
She may have had some minor,
minor issues, er...

1054
01:03:05,782 --> 01:03:09,160
She may have had some, a little
bit more than minor issues.

1055
01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:17,002
Were the scientists
purposefully choosing children

1056
01:03:17,043 --> 01:03:20,255
whose biological parents
had a mental illness,

1057
01:03:22,674 --> 01:03:25,468
and placing them
into different homes

1058
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:29,931
to see, is mental illness
hereditable.

1059
01:03:36,730 --> 01:03:38,315
Eddy was in the hospital

1060
01:03:38,356 --> 01:03:40,442
for I think it was three weeks.

1061
01:03:40,483 --> 01:03:44,487
And then he came back to work
at the restaurant.

1062
01:03:47,449 --> 01:03:51,953
I wasn't there. David
was with him, all the time.

1063
01:03:53,621 --> 01:03:57,292
I think maybe he can give you
better detail about it.

1064
01:04:00,628 --> 01:04:02,422
I was running the kitchen.

1065
01:04:02,464 --> 01:04:04,758
Eddy wasn't in.
I was running the kitchen,

1066
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:06,426
he was running
the front of the house.

1067
01:04:06,468 --> 01:04:08,261
That's the way it worked.

1068
01:04:08,303 --> 01:04:11,931
And I didn't know where he was,
and he lived across the street.

1069
01:04:14,976 --> 01:04:16,895
So, David called me
from the restaurant

1070
01:04:16,936 --> 01:04:21,024
and he asked me
to look out the window

1071
01:04:21,066 --> 01:04:24,736
to see if Eddy's car
was in the driveway,

1072
01:04:24,778 --> 01:04:26,738
because if it were
in the driveway,

1073
01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:28,406
we knew that he was home.

1074
01:04:28,448 --> 01:04:32,077
So, the car was in the driveway,

1075
01:04:32,118 --> 01:04:37,082
and I said to David, er...

1076
01:04:37,123 --> 01:04:40,543
"Do you want me
to go over there?"

1077
01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:44,798
And David said, "Yes."

1078
01:04:47,801 --> 01:04:49,844
And she called me back
a few minutes later

1079
01:04:49,886 --> 01:04:52,097
and her voice
was trembling and shaking.

1080
01:04:52,138 --> 01:04:54,516
She said,
"You've gotta come home."

1081
01:04:54,557 --> 01:04:56,518
And I said, "Why?"

1082
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,270
And she said, "Please,
you've just gotta come home."

1083
01:04:59,813 --> 01:05:01,314
Er...

1084
01:05:04,651 --> 01:05:09,239
And I, er... I pulled up
we lived across the street.

1085
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,242
I pulled up, kind of, just...
cop cars were all there

1086
01:05:12,283 --> 01:05:15,161
and I, just kind of,
pulled up on... you know,

1087
01:05:15,203 --> 01:05:17,497
blocking half the street,
left the door open

1088
01:05:17,539 --> 01:05:19,666
and started running
into the house

1089
01:05:19,707 --> 01:05:23,545
and the cops grabbed me and
they wouldn't let me come in.

1090
01:05:23,586 --> 01:05:25,505
They said, "You don't,
you don't wanna see this.

1091
01:05:25,547 --> 01:05:28,133
"You can't see this,
you don't wanna see this.

1092
01:05:28,174 --> 01:05:30,718
"You, you don't wanna see this."

1093
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,680
And that's when I knew
he was gone.

1094
01:05:37,142 --> 01:05:40,687
I told Bobby, "I need
to talk to you."

1095
01:05:43,231 --> 01:05:46,943
And it's as if he,
he kind of knew.

1096
01:05:46,985 --> 01:05:52,407
He kind of knew, before
the words came out of my mouth.

1097
01:05:55,368 --> 01:05:57,954
Eddy committed suicide.

1098
01:05:59,414 --> 01:06:02,000
Eddy shot himself.

1099
01:06:03,251 --> 01:06:05,503
He took his own life.

1100
01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:22,812
I don't remember who told us.
I just remember darkness.

1101
01:06:27,775 --> 01:06:34,365
Buried him on Father's Day,
I gave the eulogy,

1102
01:06:34,407 --> 01:06:38,411
and I don't remember
everything I said,

1103
01:06:38,453 --> 01:06:42,916
but I do remember saying
that my brother Eddy

1104
01:06:42,957 --> 01:06:45,960
could light up a room
with his smile.

1105
01:06:58,723 --> 01:07:02,268
Why Eddy, why Eddy?
Why not me?

1106
01:07:02,310 --> 01:07:04,521
I've asked myself
that a hundred times.

1107
01:07:04,562 --> 01:07:07,982
I'd rather it was me than Eddy.

1108
01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:11,986
I, I don't know why Eddy
and why not me.

1109
01:07:12,028 --> 01:07:14,447
Maybe just because...

1110
01:07:17,158 --> 01:07:20,036
I don't know, I just don't know.

1111
01:07:20,078 --> 01:07:23,248
I, I, I can't answer this.

1112
01:07:30,588 --> 01:07:32,048
Thank you, Bobby.

1113
01:07:32,090 --> 01:07:34,175
Oh, you're welcome.

1114
01:08:20,096 --> 01:08:25,643
I'd like to know
the truth about the experiment.

1115
01:08:25,685 --> 01:08:32,150
My understanding, within
this small group of twins

1116
01:08:32,191 --> 01:08:33,860
that were separated and studied,

1117
01:08:35,361 --> 01:08:39,824
there was more than one suicide.

1118
01:08:39,866 --> 01:08:42,702
It's almost impossible
just to be a coincidence.

1119
01:08:45,955 --> 01:08:49,959
Given Eddy's mental illness...

1120
01:08:52,670 --> 01:08:54,756
...who knows
what's in their DNA.

1121
01:08:57,759 --> 01:08:59,385
If they have anything conclusive

1122
01:08:59,427 --> 01:09:02,889
that is in any way predicting
anything in the future

1123
01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:06,184
that I need to know about,
I wanna know about it.

1124
01:09:10,521 --> 01:09:13,691
There is still so much
that we don't know.

1125
01:09:15,526 --> 01:09:18,863
I have more questions
than I have answers.

1126
01:09:28,748 --> 01:09:30,708
One of the things
about being a journalist

1127
01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:33,461
is that you don't know
what you are gonna find out.

1128
01:09:33,503 --> 01:09:35,963
Sometimes you know
what you didn't find out

1129
01:09:36,005 --> 01:09:40,093
which is frustrating
like with this story.

1130
01:09:41,344 --> 01:09:44,222
Well, I didn't get
to the bottom of it

1131
01:09:44,263 --> 01:09:46,432
because I never got
to see the study.

1132
01:09:46,474 --> 01:09:48,267
As no one has, you know.

1133
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:50,478
That would be the bottom of it.

1134
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,563
But that's why
this is so tantalizing.

1135
01:10:04,492 --> 01:10:06,119
Here's the research that I kept

1136
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,746
from when I was writing
about twins.

1137
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:16,087
It's been a while since
I've had a look at this box.

1138
01:10:16,129 --> 01:10:18,423
Oh, this is interesting.

1139
01:10:19,257 --> 01:10:21,342
Mini cassettes.

1140
01:10:23,094 --> 01:10:28,516
Before he passed away I managed
to talk to Dr Neubauer.

1141
01:10:28,558 --> 01:10:30,435
He was reluctant,

1142
01:10:30,476 --> 01:10:34,272
he had not ever spoken about it
to my knowledge.

1143
01:10:34,313 --> 01:10:36,899
All right, let's see
what he has to say.

1144
01:10:39,068 --> 01:10:42,405
'OK, I've got it on now.

1145
01:10:42,447 --> 01:10:44,907
'How did this study
come about?'

1146
01:10:44,949 --> 01:10:46,242
'I tell you,

1147
01:10:46,284 --> 01:10:49,078
'I would rather
not want to speak about it.'

1148
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,914
'Oh, really? Why?'

1149
01:10:51,956 --> 01:10:54,375
'Until
we have published it.'

1150
01:10:54,417 --> 01:10:57,295
'Oh, uh-huh.
When do you plan to publish it?'

1151
01:10:57,336 --> 01:11:00,965
'Well, maybe, we would publish

1152
01:11:01,007 --> 01:11:03,968
'in about a year,
a year and a half from now.'

1153
01:11:04,010 --> 01:11:05,720
He was certainly illusive,

1154
01:11:05,762 --> 01:11:08,014
he was protecting something.

1155
01:11:08,055 --> 01:11:11,768
'Well, tell me a little bit
about the scope of the study

1156
01:11:11,809 --> 01:11:14,937
'and how many people
were involved in it?'

1157
01:11:14,979 --> 01:11:18,483
'The study was only
based on a small number

1158
01:11:18,524 --> 01:11:22,904
'of identical twins
separated at birth,

1159
01:11:22,945 --> 01:11:25,114
'for many, many reasons.

1160
01:11:25,156 --> 01:11:27,450
'I don't want to talk
about that now.

1161
01:11:27,492 --> 01:11:31,287
'We had to stop it because
it became too expensive.'

1162
01:11:31,329 --> 01:11:34,123
'Who was
your primary support?'

1163
01:11:34,165 --> 01:11:36,542
'Oh, some private
family foundations.

1164
01:11:38,044 --> 01:11:40,630
'We got some money
from Washington.'

1165
01:11:42,924 --> 01:11:44,717
'OK.'

1166
01:11:44,759 --> 01:11:48,471
Private charities and
Washington, what does that mean?

1167
01:11:48,513 --> 01:11:51,265
And I don't know where
their funding came from.

1168
01:11:51,307 --> 01:11:52,683
'OK, thanks again
for your time.'

1169
01:11:52,725 --> 01:11:53,684
'Bye.'

1170
01:11:57,522 --> 01:12:00,066
I think that there's
a great deal of sensitivity

1171
01:12:00,107 --> 01:12:02,318
about this story.

1172
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,153
There's a lot of powerful people

1173
01:12:04,195 --> 01:12:07,365
who would like
to have this story silenced.

1174
01:12:10,409 --> 01:12:11,869
What happened to the study

1175
01:12:11,911 --> 01:12:13,621
as far as you're aware?

1176
01:12:13,663 --> 01:12:16,999
Before Neubauer died in 2008,

1177
01:12:17,041 --> 01:12:19,335
he left
all the research materials

1178
01:12:19,377 --> 01:12:22,088
in an archive
at Yale University.

1179
01:12:23,631 --> 01:12:29,512
Neubauer placed it under seal,
for decades and decades.

1180
01:12:29,554 --> 01:12:34,058
So far as I know
nobody's been able to access it.

1181
01:12:36,936 --> 01:12:40,022
Er...
what do we have here?

1182
01:12:44,485 --> 01:12:45,987
Wow.

1183
01:12:48,823 --> 01:12:52,827
This is the Yale University
website, and this appears to be

1184
01:12:52,869 --> 01:12:54,662
the Guide to Adoption
Study Records

1185
01:12:54,704 --> 01:12:57,081
of the Child Development Center.

1186
01:12:57,123 --> 01:13:01,961
66 boxes filled
with information:

1187
01:13:02,003 --> 01:13:06,382
charts, films and tapes
and research findings.

1188
01:13:06,424 --> 01:13:09,051
Home visits, that's a big one.

1189
01:13:09,093 --> 01:13:13,180
It says that the dates of the
study were from 1960 to 1980.

1190
01:13:13,222 --> 01:13:18,060
I guess our reunion,
kind of closed the study.

1191
01:13:18,102 --> 01:13:21,105
"Information about access.

1192
01:13:21,147 --> 01:13:25,985
"The records are restricted
until 2066."

1193
01:13:27,904 --> 01:13:29,739
It's sealed!

1194
01:13:32,825 --> 01:13:35,953
So, they did all that they did

1195
01:13:35,995 --> 01:13:38,789
to have this whole list
tucked away

1196
01:13:38,831 --> 01:13:43,836
in a dusty library somewhere,
where nobody can touch it.

1197
01:13:46,297 --> 01:13:49,467
"Researchers wishing
to use these records

1198
01:13:49,508 --> 01:13:50,885
"before this date must secure

1199
01:13:50,927 --> 01:13:52,803
"written authorization
from the Jewish Board

1200
01:13:52,845 --> 01:13:54,805
"of Family and Children's
Services."

1201
01:14:00,561 --> 01:14:03,397
The Jewish Board
was the parent organization

1202
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:07,693
of the Child Development Center
run by Peter Neubauer.

1203
01:14:09,195 --> 01:14:10,655
My understanding is that

1204
01:14:10,696 --> 01:14:13,866
they are a very, very
powerful organization

1205
01:14:13,908 --> 01:14:17,703
with very deep
political connections.

1206
01:14:21,749 --> 01:14:23,209
'Thank you for calling

1207
01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:26,337
'the Jewish Board of Family
and Children Services.'

1208
01:14:26,379 --> 01:14:28,506
'Hello.'

1209
01:14:28,547 --> 01:14:32,009
Yes, hi. My name
is David Kellman, er...

1210
01:14:32,051 --> 01:14:36,430
and apparently, I was a,
one of the subjects of a study,

1211
01:14:36,472 --> 01:14:39,600
run by the Child Development
Center many years ago,

1212
01:14:39,642 --> 01:14:42,353
and it's being kept
at Yale University.

1213
01:14:42,395 --> 01:14:46,023
- 'Yes?'
- And on their website it says

1214
01:14:46,065 --> 01:14:48,442
that I would need permission
from the board

1215
01:14:48,484 --> 01:14:51,028
in order to gain access
to those records,

1216
01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:54,615
and somehow the receptionist
got me to you.

1217
01:14:54,657 --> 01:14:56,867
'Huh, OK. Er...

1218
01:14:56,909 --> 01:14:59,704
'I'm not aware of any of that
stuff or when the study was,

1219
01:14:59,745 --> 01:15:00,955
'but I can...'

1220
01:15:00,997 --> 01:15:02,373
There have been
a number of journalists

1221
01:15:02,415 --> 01:15:04,709
and as far as I know,
some of the twins

1222
01:15:04,750 --> 01:15:06,544
that were involved in this study

1223
01:15:06,585 --> 01:15:08,879
who have tried to gain access
to this material.

1224
01:15:19,306 --> 01:15:21,851
So far as I know
they haven't been able to see

1225
01:15:21,892 --> 01:15:24,437
the results of this study.

1226
01:15:24,478 --> 01:15:27,314
Is there a way that I can go
directly to someone

1227
01:15:27,356 --> 01:15:29,400
that would be able
to provide access to me,

1228
01:15:29,442 --> 01:15:31,777
as I was one of the subjects
within the study?

1229
01:15:31,819 --> 01:15:35,573
If anybody should have the right
to see all this material,

1230
01:15:35,614 --> 01:15:36,991
it's the people
that were actually

1231
01:15:37,033 --> 01:15:38,409
the subject of the study.

1232
01:15:38,451 --> 01:15:40,077
They should know
what was learned.

1233
01:15:41,412 --> 01:15:43,122
'I mean, I have no idea

1234
01:15:43,164 --> 01:15:47,418
'who would even be the one
to ask right now.

1235
01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:48,961
'I would need
to look into that.'

1236
01:15:49,003 --> 01:15:52,506
OK, so you're the first line
of defense, so to speak.

1237
01:15:52,548 --> 01:15:54,341
- 'I guess, yeah.'

1238
01:15:54,383 --> 01:15:57,762
OK, I will send an email to you.
I'll put at the subject line,

1239
01:15:57,803 --> 01:16:01,766
is going to be, er...
"Twin Studies".

1240
01:16:01,807 --> 01:16:04,143
'Gotcha.'

1241
01:16:05,478 --> 01:16:09,273
Louise Wise Services
is long closed.

1242
01:16:10,483 --> 01:16:13,194
Peter Neubauer passed away.

1243
01:16:15,821 --> 01:16:19,033
And yet we still
don't know exactly

1244
01:16:19,075 --> 01:16:23,913
what they were looking for,
or what they found out.

1245
01:16:44,141 --> 01:16:46,102
I'm a Clinical Psychologist

1246
01:16:46,143 --> 01:16:52,650
and I was a research assistant
on Peter Neubauer's study.

1247
01:16:52,691 --> 01:16:55,611
I believe I am the only person

1248
01:16:55,653 --> 01:16:57,655
who worked on this study

1249
01:16:57,696 --> 01:16:59,281
who is willing

1250
01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:01,909
to go on record

1251
01:17:01,951 --> 01:17:03,410
about what was done.

1252
01:17:05,746 --> 01:17:07,373
I was 24.

1253
01:17:07,414 --> 01:17:10,709
This is essentially
my first job.

1254
01:17:15,714 --> 01:17:21,262
You know, you had to be careful
to not let on that, er...

1255
01:17:21,303 --> 01:17:25,391
"Gee, you look just
like your, your twin brother."

1256
01:17:25,432 --> 01:17:30,437
I would've been fired
on the spot, right?

1257
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,022
It was a little tempting, yeah,

1258
01:17:32,064 --> 01:17:33,607
there was, there was
a little bit of temptation.

1259
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:37,069
It's like,
"Hey, I, I know your twin.

1260
01:17:37,111 --> 01:17:43,200
"I saw somebody a week ago
who was exactly like you."

1261
01:17:47,371 --> 01:17:49,748
The question whether
I feel guilty is interesting

1262
01:17:49,790 --> 01:17:54,336
because I never felt
a responsibility.

1263
01:17:55,629 --> 01:17:59,300
I came on
after this was designed.

1264
01:17:59,341 --> 01:18:01,385
However, I was a participant,

1265
01:18:01,427 --> 01:18:06,015
so you could say I was
ethically compromised by that.

1266
01:18:06,056 --> 01:18:12,938
In retrospect I think it was
undoubtedly ethically wrong.

1267
01:18:16,317 --> 01:18:19,778
I got some notes here. OK.

1268
01:18:20,362 --> 01:18:21,864
OK.

1269
01:18:30,623 --> 01:18:33,292
These are my actual
original notes,

1270
01:18:33,334 --> 01:18:36,754
copies of psychologicals
that I did.

1271
01:18:36,795 --> 01:18:40,049
And who in, who in
particular are in these files?

1272
01:18:40,090 --> 01:18:42,384
Well, I have the triplets.

1273
01:18:45,179 --> 01:18:47,556
Hmm... Oh, here we go.

1274
01:18:47,598 --> 01:18:50,142
I, I'm not gonna mention
the name, but, er...

1275
01:18:51,602 --> 01:18:53,479
"He's a loud, energetic boy.

1276
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,481
"His need to establish
his autonomy

1277
01:18:55,522 --> 01:18:57,066
"takes to the form
of showing off,

1278
01:18:57,107 --> 01:18:59,735
"both his intelligence
and his strength,

1279
01:18:59,777 --> 01:19:03,364
"and putting down others
including his parents."

1280
01:19:05,783 --> 01:19:09,370
Yeah, this one's eager
to show off his new bicycle

1281
01:19:09,411 --> 01:19:14,375
and all of his sports equipment
while I filmed him.

1282
01:19:14,416 --> 01:19:17,127
He was very intense in his play

1283
01:19:17,169 --> 01:19:22,383
and got quite... rough.

1284
01:19:22,424 --> 01:19:24,218
This kid had some problems.

1285
01:19:26,887 --> 01:19:29,265
Hyper aggressiveness.

1286
01:19:31,225 --> 01:19:32,434
OK, so apparently,

1287
01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:33,852
these parents are not cognizant

1288
01:19:33,894 --> 01:19:36,313
of his problems,
nor are they able to help him

1289
01:19:36,355 --> 01:19:37,898
understand his weaknesses

1290
01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:41,485
and establish more appropriate
control over his actions.

1291
01:19:41,527 --> 01:19:45,823
So, I didn't think the parents
were very tuned in

1292
01:19:45,864 --> 01:19:48,534
to the struggles
this youngster was having.

1293
01:19:52,371 --> 01:19:54,415
What were the findings
of the study?

1294
01:19:54,456 --> 01:19:59,420
I have no idea because
I left the study after 10 months

1295
01:19:59,461 --> 01:20:02,798
and the results
were never published.

1296
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:07,511
All I have is my little,
tiny piece.

1297
01:20:07,553 --> 01:20:11,140
It's a mystery,
it's a huge loss.

1298
01:20:11,181 --> 01:20:13,559
All this important
scientific data

1299
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,438
is just buried
in these archives.

1300
01:20:19,148 --> 01:20:21,608
So, some people have speculated

1301
01:20:21,650 --> 01:20:24,278
that the purpose of the study,
ultimate purpose,

1302
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,196
was looking at mental health.

1303
01:20:26,238 --> 01:20:32,369
I... there was, there was never
a mention of mental health

1304
01:20:32,411 --> 01:20:38,876
of the biological parents
when I was in the study.

1305
01:20:40,461 --> 01:20:43,422
We were not interested
in mental health,

1306
01:20:43,464 --> 01:20:46,342
that's not what
we were interested in.

1307
01:20:46,383 --> 01:20:49,053
We were looking
for differences in parenting.

1308
01:20:53,599 --> 01:20:57,603
We wanted to understand
parenting practices

1309
01:20:57,644 --> 01:21:00,064
and how it would affect
development.

1310
01:21:01,857 --> 01:21:03,734
So, you're saying
they were interested more

1311
01:21:03,776 --> 01:21:05,652
in the family dynamics?

1312
01:21:05,694 --> 01:21:08,822
But they couldn't have
known that. They didn't know

1313
01:21:08,864 --> 01:21:10,824
how the families
were going to interact

1314
01:21:10,866 --> 01:21:13,243
with this newly-adopted child.

1315
01:21:13,285 --> 01:21:15,579
The only way
they could possibly know

1316
01:21:15,621 --> 01:21:17,831
about the family dynamics

1317
01:21:17,873 --> 01:21:22,002
was if they already had a child
placed in that family.

1318
01:21:22,044 --> 01:21:23,962
'Another astonishing coincidence

1319
01:21:24,004 --> 01:21:26,090
'in this story
is that each of the brothers

1320
01:21:26,131 --> 01:21:28,967
'grew up in their families
with an adopted sister,

1321
01:21:29,009 --> 01:21:32,221
'all the girls
now 21 years old.'

1322
01:21:35,182 --> 01:21:38,477
The triplets,
they all had an older sibling.

1323
01:21:38,519 --> 01:21:39,728
They were placed in families

1324
01:21:39,770 --> 01:21:42,231
where there was an older
adopted child

1325
01:21:42,272 --> 01:21:45,150
that had been placed with,
by Louise Wise.

1326
01:21:47,069 --> 01:21:49,488
That was part of the design.

1327
01:22:06,964 --> 01:22:09,591
It's good to see you.

1328
01:22:09,633 --> 01:22:11,802
It's good to see you.

1329
01:22:13,303 --> 01:22:15,514
I'd just like
to show you guys a clip.

1330
01:22:15,556 --> 01:22:19,726
It's Lawrence Perlman, who was
a Researcher on the study.

1331
01:22:25,023 --> 01:22:27,526
'What were
the findings of the study?

1332
01:22:27,568 --> 01:22:32,531
'I have no idea because
they were never published.

1333
01:22:32,573 --> 01:22:35,784
'We were looking
for differences in parenting.

1334
01:22:35,826 --> 01:22:40,080
'We wanted to understand
parenting practices

1335
01:22:40,122 --> 01:22:41,874
'and how it would affect
development.

1336
01:22:41,915 --> 01:22:44,293
'The triplets
were placed in families

1337
01:22:44,334 --> 01:22:46,962
'where there was an older
adopted child

1338
01:22:47,004 --> 01:22:50,966
'that had been placed with,
by Louise Wise.

1339
01:22:51,008 --> 01:22:55,888
'That was part of the design.'

1340
01:22:55,929 --> 01:22:57,973
How do you feel watching that?

1341
01:22:58,015 --> 01:23:02,019
- Like a lab rat.

1342
01:23:04,521 --> 01:23:08,066
It, it only just makes it
that much... it just only...

1343
01:23:08,108 --> 01:23:09,443
It just makes it...

1344
01:23:09,485 --> 01:23:12,196
- That much worse.
- ...much more duplicitous.

1345
01:23:13,238 --> 01:23:14,281
Er...

1346
01:23:14,323 --> 01:23:15,782
They're not just
studying the kids,

1347
01:23:15,824 --> 01:23:19,036
but they're studying
the parents.

1348
01:23:19,077 --> 01:23:23,957
So, they did in fact know the
parenting style of each parent.

1349
01:23:23,999 --> 01:23:25,292
So, this was not, you know...

1350
01:23:25,334 --> 01:23:28,378
Obviously it was far
from a random selection.

1351
01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:32,341
They knew exactly
who they had chosen

1352
01:23:32,382 --> 01:23:38,222
to place each one of us with
when they called the Gallands,

1353
01:23:38,263 --> 01:23:42,017
and the Kellmans,
and the Shafrans.

1354
01:23:50,776 --> 01:23:54,905
In terms of how
they parented their children

1355
01:23:54,947 --> 01:23:56,573
the three families

1356
01:23:56,615 --> 01:23:59,159
were quite, quite different.

1357
01:23:59,201 --> 01:24:00,911
Er...

1358
01:24:00,953 --> 01:24:03,747
David's father stood out.

1359
01:24:03,789 --> 01:24:06,500
There was nobody in the world
like his son.

1360
01:24:06,542 --> 01:24:12,464
He was so proud of him.
Whatever he did was wonderful.

1361
01:24:12,506 --> 01:24:18,637
Bobby's father
was very busy as a doctor

1362
01:24:18,679 --> 01:24:23,517
and didn't have the time
to be with Bobby

1363
01:24:23,559 --> 01:24:25,686
that David's father had,

1364
01:24:25,727 --> 01:24:29,398
but was as devoted to him
as possible.

1365
01:24:31,275 --> 01:24:34,194
The most traditional
was Eddy's father...

1366
01:24:36,196 --> 01:24:40,659
...who was rather strict.
He was the boss.

1367
01:24:40,701 --> 01:24:43,745
He made the rules and Eddy
was supposed to follow.

1368
01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:49,626
Eddy's relationship
with his father...

1369
01:24:52,462 --> 01:24:55,299
...it couldn't have been good.

1370
01:24:58,885 --> 01:25:02,472
And that matters.

1371
01:25:02,514 --> 01:25:05,684
And why do you
say it couldn't have been good?

1372
01:25:05,726 --> 01:25:10,480
Because otherwise,
I would have known him,

1373
01:25:10,522 --> 01:25:11,898
we would have seen him,

1374
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:15,319
Eddy would have talked
about him.

1375
01:25:27,998 --> 01:25:32,294
This was the last picture
we ever had of Edward.

1376
01:25:32,336 --> 01:25:34,463
He was very gregarious.

1377
01:25:34,504 --> 01:25:37,341
He got into all the things
young boys do.

1378
01:25:37,382 --> 01:25:39,593
He wrecked a car

1379
01:25:39,635 --> 01:25:43,597
and a few things
like that, but...

1380
01:25:43,639 --> 01:25:48,477
I mean, occasionally
I disciplined him.

1381
01:25:48,518 --> 01:25:53,231
Eddy and his dad
were very different as people.

1382
01:25:53,273 --> 01:25:58,695
Eddy was more artsy, kinda kid,
you know, he wasn't into sports.

1383
01:25:58,737 --> 01:26:01,823
Elliott had a very
strong militaristic

1384
01:26:01,865 --> 01:26:05,160
kind of approach to life,
very traditional.

1385
01:26:05,202 --> 01:26:07,746
He was a teacher,
he was all about punctuality.

1386
01:26:08,747 --> 01:26:13,960
I was a strict disciplinarian,

1387
01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:18,340
and my children unfortunately

1388
01:26:18,382 --> 01:26:21,134
had me as a strict
disciplinarian too.

1389
01:26:24,429 --> 01:26:26,515
Eddy said he always
sort of didn't feel

1390
01:26:26,556 --> 01:26:30,727
like he fit in with his family.

1391
01:26:32,979 --> 01:26:38,819
He always felt like, like
he wasn't in the right place.

1392
01:26:42,823 --> 01:26:44,783
How much did you have any sense

1393
01:26:44,825 --> 01:26:48,370
that Edward was unhappy?

1394
01:26:48,412 --> 01:26:51,915
He didn't discuss
his problems with me.

1395
01:26:57,462 --> 01:27:00,006
We were a rather quiet family.

1396
01:27:00,048 --> 01:27:05,053
We didn't tell our problems
to one another.

1397
01:27:07,180 --> 01:27:11,852
We protected each other.
It was a nice family.

1398
01:27:17,232 --> 01:27:20,235
Some people
are just not a good fit.

1399
01:27:25,323 --> 01:27:28,535
It wasn't his father's fault.

1400
01:27:28,577 --> 01:27:34,624
Elliot did what he believed
to be best as a parent.

1401
01:27:34,666 --> 01:27:37,878
They were just different people.

1402
01:27:37,919 --> 01:27:43,049
I got the phone call from...
I believe it was Bobby.

1403
01:27:43,091 --> 01:27:47,220
And he told me to sit down

1404
01:27:47,262 --> 01:27:50,223
and I said no need to.

1405
01:27:50,265 --> 01:27:53,560
And he told me about it.

1406
01:27:53,602 --> 01:27:58,815
And then standing right there

1407
01:27:58,857 --> 01:28:02,152
I went over to my wife

1408
01:28:02,194 --> 01:28:07,073
and told her Edward
had committed suicide.

1409
01:28:07,115 --> 01:28:12,120
And we stood there
for quite a while, crying.

1410
01:28:16,708 --> 01:28:23,048
And... that was it.

1411
01:28:35,268 --> 01:28:40,148
I often wondered whether
I didn't teach him something...

1412
01:28:42,818 --> 01:28:46,238
...because of the way he left.

1413
01:28:47,739 --> 01:28:49,032
I don't know.

1414
01:28:49,074 --> 01:28:52,410
Maybe I didn't teach him
something,

1415
01:28:52,452 --> 01:28:55,831
how to live life or something.

1416
01:28:55,872 --> 01:28:59,459
That bothers me occasionally.

1417
01:29:09,886 --> 01:29:14,599
Why did the boys' lives
turn out completely different?

1418
01:29:14,641 --> 01:29:16,101
I don't need to read any books,

1419
01:29:16,142 --> 01:29:18,520
I don't need to read
any studies.

1420
01:29:19,938 --> 01:29:24,067
I saw it first hand
with those three boys.

1421
01:29:27,362 --> 01:29:29,364
It's all about nurture.

1422
01:29:43,545 --> 01:29:44,921
'These three young men

1423
01:29:44,963 --> 01:29:47,674
'they are all seated
in the same position.'

1424
01:29:49,009 --> 01:29:50,552
We found a lot of similarities

1425
01:29:50,594 --> 01:29:53,221
because that's what people
were looking for.

1426
01:29:53,263 --> 01:29:54,890
They smoke the same
kind of cigarettes.

1427
01:29:54,931 --> 01:29:56,182
You say, "Oh my God,

1428
01:29:56,224 --> 01:29:58,810
"they're smoking Marlboros,
that's amazing."

1429
01:29:58,852 --> 01:30:01,229
What you're not looking for
are their differences.

1430
01:30:01,271 --> 01:30:03,231
'I can't get over it,
I'm telling you.

1431
01:30:03,273 --> 01:30:04,733
'You all wrestled
at one time?'

1432
01:30:04,774 --> 01:30:05,859
'Yes.'

1433
01:30:05,901 --> 01:30:08,778
We found the ways
that we were alike

1434
01:30:08,820 --> 01:30:12,198
and we emphasized them
and we wanted to be alike.

1435
01:30:13,825 --> 01:30:16,661
We were falling in love
with each other.

1436
01:30:16,703 --> 01:30:20,248
I think there
were superficialities.

1437
01:30:20,290 --> 01:30:24,294
They liked the same things
and they had similar interests,

1438
01:30:24,336 --> 01:30:27,213
but deep down
they were different.

1439
01:30:28,882 --> 01:30:33,970
They were not a case study
of biology being destiny.

1440
01:30:38,767 --> 01:30:42,729
I've come to believe
genes and the environment

1441
01:30:42,771 --> 01:30:46,232
are close competitors.

1442
01:30:48,777 --> 01:30:51,738
You could say that we drift
in the direction

1443
01:30:51,780 --> 01:30:55,700
that our genes tell us to go

1444
01:30:55,742 --> 01:30:58,411
but it doesn't mean
you are destined

1445
01:30:58,453 --> 01:31:01,456
to be one person or another.

1446
01:31:05,961 --> 01:31:10,340
I believe
that I'm still here today

1447
01:31:10,382 --> 01:31:14,761
because of the foundation that
was given to me by my parents.

1448
01:31:14,803 --> 01:31:19,307
I believe that absolutely
made a difference

1449
01:31:19,349 --> 01:31:21,226
in terms of struggling

1450
01:31:21,267 --> 01:31:23,103
with whatever demons
I struggle with.

1451
01:31:25,563 --> 01:31:31,361
I believe nature
and nurture both matter.

1452
01:31:31,403 --> 01:31:38,994
But I think nurture
can overcome nearly everything.

1453
01:32:13,987 --> 01:32:15,697
Because the study's
never been published

1454
01:32:15,739 --> 01:32:17,699
we simply don't know
definitively

1455
01:32:17,741 --> 01:32:22,037
how many people's lives
were separated in this fashion.

1456
01:32:22,078 --> 01:32:23,621
There may still be twins
out there

1457
01:32:23,663 --> 01:32:26,458
who still don't know
they are twins.

1458
01:32:27,751 --> 01:32:31,713
There are probably
at least four individuals

1459
01:32:31,755 --> 01:32:34,049
who were subjects of this study

1460
01:32:34,090 --> 01:32:37,886
who don't know
that they have a twin.

1461
01:32:37,927 --> 01:32:41,222
If they know that there
are still twins out there

1462
01:32:41,264 --> 01:32:46,603
that are missing out on life,
it boggles the mind.

1463
01:32:46,644 --> 01:32:48,772
There's two ways
of thinking about it.

1464
01:32:48,813 --> 01:32:52,067
These people really should know
that there is a twin,

1465
01:32:52,108 --> 01:32:54,611
or, "Oh my God, these people
should not know

1466
01:32:54,652 --> 01:32:59,032
"that they were used this way,
that will make them so upset."

1467
01:32:59,074 --> 01:33:03,203
Maybe this is why the study
cannot be published as yet,

1468
01:33:03,244 --> 01:33:05,413
until they're gone.

1469
01:33:07,499 --> 01:33:09,793
It really opens up
the possibility.

1470
01:33:09,834 --> 01:33:11,961
Anybody can just
walk around the corner

1471
01:33:12,003 --> 01:33:15,673
and discover that you
have a twin out there.