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  1. Lesta Nediam LNC2016-06-23 2245 +InitialDsTak
  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGog8Bdy0aI&google_comment_id=z13ksjbprt25ersat04ce5ahsovzcfhbah4
  3. https://pastebin.com/S8eWNg0q
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  7. +InitialDsTak __ No. I am not saying that "the only absolute is what you experience personally". That shows you have only a superficial understanding of my words.
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  11. I am not saying that your "belief in science is akin to religious faith".
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  15. I am not suggesting that nothing outside out direct influence can be real.
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  19. You evidently understand the individual words that I have written - just not their collective meaning.
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  23. That's okay, I'll try to help you.
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  27. In your "offhanded" attempt to insult me you wrote something interesting: _"...given proper evidence I'll happily change my mind"._
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  31. Good.
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  35. Hold that thought. And what "evidence" do you have that there is a real *AND MANNED* "ISS"?
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  39. Stop.
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  43. I know what you're thinking. In reaction to that question - in your head - you are thinking again the same thoughts that you wrote in this thread above.
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  47. Don't do that.
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  51. Whether you think you do or not - *you do not have the evidence required to justify your belief in a real AND MANNED "ISS"* but that does not mean such qualifying evidence cannot exist and it certainly does not mean you need to be "personally involved".
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  55. You do not need your own "senses to be involved" in order to have the evidence required to justify the belief.
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  59. There is something very simple that proves that the "ISS" is real *AND MANNED* but none of us have ever been permitted to see it. It's so simple that it could be filmed and posted to YouTube in the next hour.
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  63. But in over 15 years it still hasn't been. That is suggestive of it being intentional.
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  67. >> *The evidence to justify a belief in a real AND MANNED "ISS" CAN exist [only if the claim is true] AND CAN be presented to you at ANY TIME. <<
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  71. But IF THERE IS a real AND MANNED "ISS" then this sufficient proof is being INTENTIONALLY withheld. *That is the point I am making - and the point you have not understood*.
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  75. I did not expect you to understand my words the first time you read them.
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  79. >> I have described to you how the population is made to believe anything the liars want. <<
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  83. To repeat that with a slight variation: I am simply using the "ISS" as an example to help you and others understand *how* the population is *being made* to believe *anything* the liars want.
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  87. Even an alien invasion.
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  91. If the liars report that aliens have invaded you WILL believe it. Today you may say you won't - but tomorrow when it is reported - *you will*.
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  95. I mentioned above why that is the case - if only you would take the time to understand.
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  99. This is not about the "ISS" being real and manned or not - *this is about what is happening to the population on a daily basis*.
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  103. The "ISS" is simply a very good example - but it requires someone with an IQ of at least 100 to grasp it.
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  107. In order to carry on as you are you need me to be wrong about what I am saying and so naturally enough you are misunderstanding my words. _But I am not wrong._
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  115. Although I have already given you the answer in my previous reply - it helps if you can come up with the answer for yourself:
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  119. QUESTION: *What necessarily proves anyone is living in a permanent micro/zero-gravity environment?*
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  123. What *necessarily proves* it?
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  127. We are not talking about there being a bright light in the sky or not. We are talking ONLY about little men and women permanently inhabiting it and HOW we can justify such a belief.
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  131. It has nothing to do with "faith" or "personal involvement" or "sensory reliability" or whatever your misunderstanding happened to be.
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  135. How is the claim of a real *AND MANNED* (do you notice how I keep writing IN CAPS the "AND MANNED" part?) "ISS" *necessarily* proven?
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  139. What SIMPLE THING does ANY of us need to see to have certainty? How is it necessarily proven?
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  143. Is it proven because "NASA" say so? Is it proven because the nightly news says so?
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  147. Is it proven because 2+2 = people living on the "ISS"?
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  151. Is it proven because an "astronaut" says so?
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  155. Is it proven because "why would anyone lie about it?"
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  159. Is it proven because more people believe it is manned than not manned?
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  163. Is it proven because only "paranoid" people seem to think it's not manned?
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  167. Is it proven because "there's a lot of paperwork involved - no one would bother to fake it"?
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  171. No.
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  175. It is not proven by any of those things.
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  179. And of the answer to what proves it - *of course NONE OF US need DIRECT EXPERIENCE to know whether or not the claim is true*.
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  183. Because there is a VERY SIMPLE WAY TO KNOW.
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  187. And should we see it - it would silence all "conspiracy theorists".
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  191. So what is it? *What needs to be seen?*
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  195. I am asking you: what necessarily proves that people are actually living in a permanent zero-gravity environment?
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  199. There is a very simple answer.
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  203. And before you go and repeat your misunderstandings - answer it and then also this: *Is the answer to that question something impossible for us to see or could it be the easiest thing in the world for us to see?*
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  206. __________________________________________
  207. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's posts, comments, videos and discussions:
  208. https://pastebin.com/Bfr5RMSg
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  210. Here is Lesta Nediam's Google Plus posts (i.e., blog) - this is where Lesta is most active:
  211. https://plus.google.com/+LestaNediamHQ
  212.  
  213. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's video uploads:
  214. https://pastebin.com/WV42jUb1
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  216. Here is Lesta Nediam's YouTube channel - for videos about the lie system:
  217. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3DalBOEZ6RqSyHk8_mGV7w
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