The politics of Stefanie

10:43:03 AM+Stefanie14:39 <@karstensrage> reasonable people arent raping and murdering <- this is true, but there's an increasingly large percentage of society that deems it acceptable to murder if it's a child that has not been born yet
10:43:22 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: Do you eat meat?
10:43:27 AM+Stefaniei do not, no
10:43:39 AM+StefanieStefanie [Stefanie!~stefanie@darkfairy.io] * stefanie
10:43:39 AM+StefanieChannels: +#lider +#Christ @#000wehatepeople #Heaven #God #DonaldTrump #polska +#Melbourne +#Christiandebate +#europe +#MOCKBA +#ukraine +#debates #British #allnitecafe #ladies +#christian @#savagegarden
10:43:39 AM+StefanieConnected to server: bitcoin.uk.eu.dal.net i like turtles
10:43:39 AM+StefanieIdle for 00:00:12, signed on 03/11/2019
10:43:59 AM+magiaMagiaWhen'd you become vegetarian
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10:44:22 AM+Stefaniewhen i was very young, before teenage years
10:44:47 AM+magiaMagiaYou're in #DonaldTrump. Do you support Donald?
10:45:19 AM+Stefaniei'm ... not quite sure what to make of him to be honest with you
10:45:34 AM+magiaMagiaAfter all this time you can't figure it out, eh?
10:45:36 AM+Stefaniethere's some percentage of the time i agree with him, but even in those times i have to wonder if he truly means what he says
10:45:51 AM+magiaMagiaOn what do you agree with Donald Trump?
10:46:13 AM+magiaMagiaBeing interested in Donald Trump and being a vegetarian is extremely raer.
10:46:20 AM+Stefaniehe's not easy to figure out, he changes sides and is very erratic
10:46:27 AM+magiaMagiaVegetarians tend to have empathy, while Donald Trump supporters usually have no empathy.
10:46:43 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: He's very dumb and he has multiple psychiatric disorders.
10:46:47 AM+magiaMagiaThat's why he's erratic.
10:47:02 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: he's also putting on an act and doesn't speak that way in private
10:47:08 AM+Stefanieso like i said, i'm not quite sure what to make of him
10:47:23 AM+magiaMagiaYou haven't yet told me what you agree with him on.
10:48:07 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: As somebody who's really concerned about the murder of babies in human women, how do you justify being interested in Donald Trump given his utter contempt of all life that isn't a Trump family membe?
10:48:50 AM+Stefaniei can't even say i agree with him on being pro-life, because he's erratic there too ... perhaps i'm fascinated by his mental illness? haha
10:49:05 AM+magiaMagiaFor example, some of the airstrikes he's authorized in Syria have killed as many 400 civilians in a single strike.
10:49:13 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: He's obviously lying to you on being pro-life.
10:49:29 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: i think he is, yes
10:49:38 AM+magiaMagiaTrump has been for abortion all of his life until he ran for president.
10:49:47 AM+magiaMagiahttps://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914
10:49:48 AM+Stefaniea lot of politicians lie about that to manipulate people into believing they share their values
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10:50:03 AM+Stefaniebut many of these people have no shame in lying to manipulate people
10:50:13 AM+Stefanienod
10:50:23 AM+magiaMagiaSo you've not yet told us a single thing you support about him.
10:50:33 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: that's because he's a giant contradiction
10:50:36 AM+magiaMagiaYou sort of like him for him being against abortion, but you concede he's probably lying.
10:50:44 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: So you like giant contradictions. Why?
10:51:04 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: the same reason people used to watched daytime talk tv shows
10:51:11 AM+Stefaniethat's basically what he is
10:51:23 AM+magiaMagiaDo you see any difference between being interested in the drama on a daytime talk tv show and the US president?
10:51:24 AM+Stefanie;D
10:52:09 AM+Stefaniebesides the obvious powers that are afforded to him by being president?
10:52:21 AM+Stefanieit's pretty incredible that it's an entire daytime talk tv show in a single person
10:53:10 AM+magiaMagiaSo, you're worried about fetuses being murdered.
10:53:19 AM+magiaMagiaBut you like when the US president is very unstable.
10:53:30 AM+magiaMagiaAnd in his instability he murders real babies and children.
10:53:38 AM+Stefanieno i don't particularly like it, i'm fascinated by it
10:53:57 AM+Stefaniein a people-of-walmart sort of way
10:54:19 AM+Stefaniei wanted to even like his nomination for the supreme court kavanaugh but i didn't like how emotionally unstable he was
10:54:51 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: I am fascinated by the murdering of fetus by their mothers.
10:54:55 AM+magiaMagiaThat's why I am for abortion.
10:54:58 AM+sketchyyeah abortion isn't murder
10:54:58 AM+Stefanienod, i was very disappointed that he backed out of the paris climate accord
10:55:49 AM+magiaMagiasketchy: It doesn't matter -- it's really interesting.
10:55:49 AM+StefanieCharmless: he's made me very angry about Syria
10:55:58 AM+magiaMagiaWill the mother feel guilty, or won't she?!
10:55:59 AM+Stefanieyes.
10:56:38 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: in many cases, the mothers experience emotional trauma from their decision to have an abortion for the rest of their lives
10:56:57 AM+magiaMagiaThat sounds cool. We can get updates about their lives over the years.
10:58:07 AM+StefanieCharmless: a few reasons, colluding with russia makes you a traitor and an enemy of ukraine is an enemy of mine
10:59:34 AM+Stefaniei happened to have been born with a uterus, and men are fathers as well their opinion is very valid
11:00:13 AM+Stefanieso anyone without a penis shouldn't have an opinion about forcible rape either?
11:00:16 AM+Stefaniethat doesn't make any sense.
11:00:38 AM+Stefanielike it or not, men and women are stuck with each other, we have to learn to cooperate or it all falls apart.
11:00:48 AM+BS_LewisDon't expect much sense during radical progressive echo chamber hour.
11:01:13 AM+sketchyshe just said their opinion was valid
11:01:28 AM+Stefaniemen's opinions are just as valuable as mine
11:01:59 AM+Stefaniezapato: it's not like we get pregnant all by ourselves
11:02:15 AM+Stefaniezapato: and last i checked, other women aren't making us pregnant
11:02:17 AM+magiaMagiaWe can look forward to being alt-right adjacent later, when BS_Lewis cryptically defends fascists while having persistent hatred of any resistance against a right-wing state.
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11:02:36 AM+BS_LewisHell yeah
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11:02:47 AM+magiaMagia(You'll remember last year exactly 100% of deaths caused by political extremists in the US last year were from the right)
11:03:05 AM+sketchyShe didn't say the man makes the choice
11:03:10 AM+sketchyjsut their opinion is valid
11:03:20 AM+Stefaniezapato: which means society has a whole has a large debt of concern for the well being of pregnant and single mothers
11:03:34 AM+magiaMagiahttps://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1
11:03:39 AM+Stefaniewhat about the child's choice?
11:03:45 AM+magiaMagiaHow often have I see BS_Lewis discuss right wing violence? Almost never.
11:04:03 AM+magiaMagiaHow often have I see him express deep concern over Antifa and their methods? About two dozen.
11:04:30 AM+Stefaniezapato: that's completely false, it is not a clump of cells, it is a developing human being
11:04:32 AM+magiaMagia"Every extremist killing in the US in 2018 had a link to a right-wing extremism, according to a new report from the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism."
11:04:47 AM+BS_LewismagiaMagia: Lania, forgive me for no longer trusting your sources after you repeatedly cited discredited racist Satoshi Kanazawa to buttress your bullshit arguments months ago
11:04:59 AM@BX-AwayStefanie: how do you define a 'human being'. What is your scientific measurement for life?
11:05:01 AM+Stefaniefyi i'm nowhere near alt-right
11:05:02 AM+BS_LewisI'm still disappointed in you
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11:05:22 AM+StefanieBlackXanthus: life begins at conception, and ends at natural death
11:05:54 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: Sperm cells and ova are alive.
11:05:58 AM+magiaMagiaPlease, be more precise.
11:06:17 AM@BlackXanthusStefanie: what basis are you using for the notion that 'life begins at conception'? How do you deal with the dichotomy of the fact that there are many times the egg is fertalised, but never embedds?
11:06:18 AM+Stefaniewhen they've attached and start developing, yes
11:06:46 AM@BlackXanthusStefanie: so, life doesn't begin at 'conception', but at 'embedding in the uterine wall'?
11:07:08 AM+Stefanieit begins at conception
11:07:18 AM+Stefaniebut it's *observably* human when it attaches
11:07:25 AM@BlackXanthusStefanie: again, what measurement are you using for 'life'?
11:07:31 AM+Stefanieit develops into a human being, every single one of us went through this process.
11:07:34 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: You mean to say 'human life'.
11:07:44 AM+magiaMagiaSay what you mean.
11:07:49 AM+Stefaniewe didn't just become human the moment we were born
11:07:51 AM@BlackXanthusStefanie: those of us that weren't naturally lost by the body rejecting them.
11:08:21 AM@BlackXanthusStefanie: so, your conception of life is based on what? The fusion of the Zygot? the twinning of DNA? what?
11:08:43 AM+StefanieCharmlessMan: i'm going to have at least 5 more ;D
11:09:17 AM+magiaMagiaBlackXanthus: When a human comes into existence will be multifactorial, likely, and hard for the the human brain to define.
11:09:22 AM+magiaMagiaEven more highly intelligent people.
11:09:56 AM+magiaMagiaI am less concerned when a fetus becomes a human, and the relationship between the state and the citizen.
11:10:01 AM@BlackXanthusmagiaMagia: Life is a difficult concept for definition by science. It often requires a philosphical edge to get a definition of 'life'. We can get a definition of 'viable' from science.
11:10:06 AM+StefanieBS_Lewis: is your name a play on C.S. Lewis?
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11:11:03 AM+BS_Lewis_CKStefanie: yes
11:11:16 AM+Stefanienice haha
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11:11:48 AM+StefanieCharmlessMan: i would have to eliminate the communists first.
11:12:34 AM+magiaMagiaEliminate?
11:13:12 AM+StefanieCharmlessMan: we wouldn't be anywhere near overpopulated
11:13:16 AM+magiaMagiaI think communism will become the world economic order in large part in the technological futured.
11:13:35 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: for the sake of humanity i truly hope not
11:13:50 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: You're alluding to killing communists, right?
11:14:01 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: have you ever experienced communism?
11:14:28 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: I have experienced conversations where people jump around rather than being structured -- they're usually of low quality.
11:14:55 AM+magiaMagiaPlease clarify how you would like to eliminate communists while being real concerned with fetus and implanted eggs.
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11:15:09 AM+magiaMagiaAlso, the drama of the US president is real neat and fun.
11:15:28 AM+Stefanieafter being asked what it felt like to take a human life: „I don't know, I've only ever killed communists” — Rafal Ganowicz ;D
11:15:38 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: Abortion was selected by evangelical Republicans as a wedge issue in the late 1970s to con a generation of voters into voting against their interest.
11:15:47 AM+magiaMagiaTherefore, people for whom abortion is real important are often easily duped.
11:16:07 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: Your glibness with with you wish to murder humans is a deal breaker for me.
11:16:11 AM+magiaMagiaYou understand.
11:16:32 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: i'm *mostly* joking, but communism has killed millions.
11:16:49 AM+magiaMagiaLots of things have killed millions of people.
11:16:53 AM+magiaMagiaAmerica, for example.
11:17:05 AM+magiaMagiaTherefore, we should murder Americans?
11:17:15 AM+magiaMagiaLet's see how many things we can name that has killed millions:
11:17:19 AM+magiaMagiaThe United Kingdom
11:17:21 AM+magiaMagiaGermany
11:17:23 AM+magiaMagiaRussia
11:17:24 AM+magiaMagiaChina
11:17:26 AM+magiaMagiaThe United States
11:17:28 AM+magiaMagiaCapitalism
11:17:31 AM+magiaMagiaCommunism
11:17:33 AM+magiaMagiaChristianity
11:17:39 AM+magiaMagiaEarthquakes
11:17:45 AM+magiaMagiaMicrobial diseases
11:17:58 AM+StefanieCharmlessMan: i agree
11:18:10 AM+magiaMagiaLack of food
11:18:16 AM+magiaMagiaLack of democracy
11:18:43 AM+magiaMagiaWhen I joke about killing Americans, I'm mostly kidding *wink*
11:18:59 AM+magiaMagiaI just can't figure out what Trump is about!
11:19:00 AM+StefanieRaven`X: i never disputed that humans have an impact on the environment
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11:19:13 AM+magiaMagiaI've only had 3.5 years to figure it out -- the man is bloody complicated
11:19:23 AMⓘ Trump seeks more border wall funding in new budget | Man-Made Climate Change Is A Scientific Fact (evidence hits 5 sigma 'gold standard') | Trump budget to propose slashing domestic spending, boosting defense | Judge rules Trump admin responsible for 'potentially thousands' more separated children
11:19:27 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: do you trust anything he says?
11:19:32 AM+magiaMagiaNo.
11:19:36 AM+Stefaniealright then.
11:19:41 AM+Stefaniewhy should i?
11:19:48 AM+magiaMagiaWhy should you trust him?
11:19:50 AM+magiaMagiaYou shouldn't.
11:19:53 AM+magiaMagiaHe lies 15 times a day.
11:19:58 AM+magiaMagiaAccording to the Washington Post.
11:20:08 AM+Stefanieuh huh, so even if he says something you agree with, can you trust it?
11:20:11 AM+Stefaniei'm not being unreasonable here.
11:20:12 AM+magiaMagiaCorrect.
11:20:21 AM+magiaMagiaHe's not a source of truth on anything.
11:20:27 AM+magiaMagiaHe says things that aren't not false, though.
11:20:33 AM+Stefaniehaha BS_Lewis_CK ;D
11:20:36 AM+magiaMagiaI can never use him as a source of truth to justify any claims.
11:20:49 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: yeah, it's half truths and contradictions all around
11:20:57 AM+magiaMagiaThe correct epistemic orientation towards him is to assume everything he says is a lie and false.
11:21:02 AM+sketchylol you think that disproves man made climate change?
11:21:08 AM+magiaMagiaLater, if you can independently verify, you can say, oh, wow, he was telling the truth on that one.
11:21:14 AM+magiaMagiaWhen do you trust him, though?
11:21:19 AM+magiaMagiaLiterally never.
11:21:25 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: i also genuinely believe believe plenty of otherwise good people have fallen into the trump sphere of influence
11:21:34 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: bingo, that's what i'm saying. good. we're on the same page then.
11:21:35 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: There's no evidence for that.
11:21:41 AM+magiaMagiaIf you can present some, I encourage you to do that.
11:21:48 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: 100% of Trump supporters are bad people.
11:22:18 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: you don't think he doesn't manipulate and lie to people to make them support something they would otherwise be against?
11:22:24 AM+Stefanieparticularly in the mindset of divisive politics
11:22:30 AM+sketchyWonder what the total amount of tax payer money Trump has wasted
11:22:38 AM+Stefanie„well, the opposition is worse so i have to agree with trump instead”
11:22:41 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: When you are so stupid you can get conned by a dumb, evil man to use your power to do evil things, then you're a bad person
11:22:49 AM+magiaMagiaEspecially after you've had 3.5 years to figure out this dumb, evil man
11:23:02 AM+magiaMagiaThis is a straightforward argument
11:23:05 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: not everyone is as well educated, particularly in a country well known to have major education issues
11:23:31 AM+sketchyhaha
11:23:44 AM+magiaMagiamagiaMagia: There are lots of reasons are poorly educated. Hatred of education is a very common one, especially among GOP voters
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11:24:10 AM+magiaMagiaAnd in their poorly educated stated, they given power to a dumb, evil man who does evil things
11:24:33 AM+magiaMagiaMore than 50% of GOP voters think college education is a threat to the nation, Stefanie
11:24:37 AM+magiaMagiaThese people are deplorable
11:25:08 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: i don't believe that without some substantial evidence to that claim
11:25:22 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: Google it
11:25:28 AM+magiaMagia"GOP voters attitude education"
11:25:50 AM+magiaMagiaWhen I did that, here was the third hit
11:25:57 AM+magiaMagiahttps://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/07/11/dramatic-shift-most-republicans-now-say-colleges-have...
11:26:08 AM+magiaMagia"In dramatic shift, more than half of Republicans now say colleges have a negative impact on the U.S., with wealthier, older and more educated Republicans being least positive."
11:26:15 AM+sketchylol repubs are against college now?
11:26:18 AM+magiaMagiaIt's Pew research study
11:26:23 AM+magiaMagiahttp://www.people-press.org/2017/07/10/sharp-partisan-divisions-in-views-of-national-institutions/
11:26:23 AM+sketchythey do like their supporters dumb
11:26:27 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: you're taking that study out of context, they're specifically saying that US. colleges are poorly educating.
11:26:31 AM+magiaMagiaIn the first paragraph they linked to the primary source
11:26:45 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: You're not familiar with this study
11:27:01 AM+magiaMagiaBased off your request for "substantial evidence to that claim" statement
11:27:10 AM+magiaMagiaNow, 14 seconds later, you're ready to tell me about the study
11:27:12 AM+magiaMagiaImpressive
11:27:12 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: i just looked at it
11:27:45 AM+magiaMagiaSo, it's not that the uneducated GOP voters are against education
11:28:01 AM+StefaniemagiaMagia: i can read.
11:28:02 AM+magiaMagiaIt's just that in their poorly educated state they believe the colleges are educating wrongly
11:28:05 AM+magiaMagiaThat's what you're saying
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11:28:15 AM+magiaMagiaStefanie: I no longer find value in debating you
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11:29:11 AM+magiaMagiaI wish you luck in your perpetual defense of the team you've attached your identity to, your instant refutation of scientific studies, you inability to figure out if Trump is a bad guy, your love of instability in the White House, and your joking attitudes about murder adult humans who like communism while being real concerned with unborn fetuses and newly implanted eggs
11:29:46 AM+magiaMagiaIt seems unfair, but it makes sense: If you can't figure out of Donald Trump is a bad person, then you're a bad person