Jayden Steeves
are dna is 99.9 percent similar to bananas? whats your point?
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:22pm
Noah Rogers
... You're completely disregarding scientists findings that prove you wrong?
I mean, what scientific discipline are you specializing in cuck
Are you going to argue with geneticists and shit?
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:24pm
Jayden Steeves
you understand 1 nucleotide can be the difference between being normal or having lots of disorders
the "not enough variation" doesnt work
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:24pm
Noah Rogers
And you understand that what I linked you shows that the genetic ladder in most people, literally negligible variations based on small mutations, is what's proving you wrong here
And that nucleotide thing is only pertinent with the functioning of minute parts of the brain
You're grasping for straws here
Plus, it takes the environment for these genes to come into fruition or to be expressed
They don't just "show up"
Most of them, anyway, the ones that aren't essential
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:28pm
Jayden Steeves
"Although these IQ-based arguments for racialism are often used by white supremacists, taken to its logical conclusion, it would better support Asian or Jewish supremacy than white supremacy." Because I'm not a white supremacist? I know asians have a higher average iq as a race, meaning there is correlation between race and iq and its discernible by race
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:28pm
Noah Rogers
Are you familiar with cognitive dissonance Jayden
IQ is directly correlated with the development of education
It is the ability to logically deduce patterns lol
The narrative the alti-right aka Nazis construct is such a bad one that I'm surprised you believe a word of it
IQ as a concept is incoherent and wrong lol
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:34pm
Jayden Steeves
there are more species difference in human types then elk and jaguar, but sub species for the animal called man is ebil racism
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:34pm
Noah Rogers
Jayden
Look at the shit I linked, stop strawmanning me to suit your bias, and actually acknowledge when you're wrong instead of just being a "sheep" as Nietzsche would've called you for buying into this racialism crap
Plus regarding race as "species" when there is information in the chat proving you wrong is funny lol
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:36pm
Jayden Steeves
Dude all the wall pasted talked about how its not varied enough
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:36pm
Noah Rogers
I posted links to shit for you to read that wasnt excerpts
You cherry picked one and went from there
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:36pm
Jayden Steeves
and implyied i didnt know that asians have higher average, which means u strawmanned to
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:36pm
Noah Rogers
That wasn't my point
It was mocking what "race science" calls "science"
I wasn't trying to make a point with it
There aren't any subspecies' with humans either, but I'm glad you're retaining your view from 1725, Linneaus
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:38pm
Jayden Steeves
but there is more genetic variations in human types then elks and elks have subspecies?
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:38pm
Noah Rogers
Right, and there is information, in the chat now, that proves you wrong
Quit being dismissive and read it lol
Not the walls of texts, but actual links
To scientists proving I'm wrong
o wait
im not a "race scientist" so im right 8) cuck
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:41pm
Jayden Steeves
Next time you need a blood transfer, be sure not to get the one with sickle cell
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:41pm
Noah Rogers
Quit being dismissive and read what I put Jayden
That's non sequitur anyway
And if that doesn't overturn your bias I can find more easily lol
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:45pm
Jayden Steeves
non-sequitur? If sickle cell amneia isn't a considerable genetic difference to matter, then what is?
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:45pm
Noah Rogers
not what i said
and im not dealing with any of your selective argumentation shit until you stop being dismissive lol
Cause with you, it's going to go "ugh blaghs GODDEH SIGGLE SELL HAHAHAHA LIBERALS CALL IT RACISD :DDDDD"
I mean yeah liberals are bad, but we think they're bad for two different reasons
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:49pm
Jayden Steeves
It's not dismissive, c'mon noah why won't you transfuse the african american blood? huh? sickle cell? OH come on, you aren't a racist are you?
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:49pm
Noah Rogers
You're not dealing with the shit that proves you wrong jayden
Selective argumentation and cognitive dissonance are a common thing with Nazis tbh
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 7:49pm
Jayden Steeves
What you linked mentions the "small margin" of difference, which in reality is a lot bigger then what you think
Noah Rogers
5/11, 7:50pm
Noah Rogers
O is it
did u read it
?????
I mean, The scientists find the differences marginal and mostly a product of national grouping instead of some sub-species but the ones who think it's a subspecies are, well, wannabe-STEM fucks who don't even have formal learning and shit
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:04pm
Jayden Steeves
Yeah all I'm seeing is "small variations"
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:04pm
Noah Rogers
You're trying to argue that these small variations constitute "different species of human"
Right?
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:05pm
Jayden Steeves
subspecies
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:06pm
Noah Rogers
Then what constitutes as the main species to you lol
Europeans?
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:08pm
Jayden Steeves
homo sapien
wow
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:08pm
Noah Rogers
So... you're arguing, that due to what you believe to be isolated development, that this development has caused humans to develop into subspecies that have variations which make them distinct in the development of their culture
I'd also like to pose the question of, what constituted the first "race" of homosapiens, since they all, according to some people, started in the same spot developmentally speaking
and also geographically
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:10pm
Jayden Steeves
I'm not sure where you're getting the culture part from
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:10pm
Noah Rogers
Let me rephrase
Since humans, according to what you're saying, developed differently due to genetic variation and mutation and shit, from the homo sapien point, geographically also speaking, would you posit that due to this their "culture" also developed differently according to these claims
And that due to these cultures being developed by different subspecies of human beings, there were achievements in each and also downsides to them, according to this pov
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:13pm
Jayden Steeves
All im saying is that there is a difference
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:13pm
Noah Rogers
But would you contend it to be genetic?
These variances in culture and shit
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:17pm
Jayden Steeves
I would assume to some degree?
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:18pm
Noah Rogers
So, since humans developed from the same race/species, the homosapien, yet, migrated and developed "isolated", according to this point of view, since they were all the same broadly speaking, this would make that point of view null
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:21pm
Noah Rogers
Because the relationships of human beings aren't determined by their genetics, but in the social environment in which they're expressed, much like the phenotype of the genome, really. I.e, the socialization is a huge factor and the phenotype expression will bring of course certain factors into how they go about their relationships with other humans, but it's still a human on human relationship, and not something that developed out of isolation or static development, but in fluidity with other similar cultures that vary very sparingly on geography. To assess the human logically in accordance with their social relationships, which for the most part are not logical, as humans aren't computers, nor the fact that logic does not equal truth, is wrong, and has been proven wrong.
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:22pm
Noah Rogers
I do not disagree that there are indeed and 100% have been mutations in certain parts of the world which means that certain groups of people would have a higher chance of having a phenotype resulting in say, schizophrenia, be the resultant. But that doesn't correlate at all with the ethnicity of the person nor does it have significance in the political world either or the sphere of ideology.
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:22pm
Jayden Steeves
Yeah they evolved is contrasting  environments developed different traits/genetics/behaviors
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:22pm
Noah Rogers
Even then, these subspecies (if they are, according to this pov), would constitute still a small difference in their relationship with other humans.
Behaviors and relationships are strikingly similar with other cultures, they constitute differences in geographic location due to isolation from people far away, yet developed similarly
I mean, why did dozens of cultures create pyramid structures in hierarchical sort of set ups with a slave and lord sort of dichotomy going on?
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:24pm
Noah Rogers
It can't possibly be because humans are naturally meant to be ruler or ruler. That's inconsistent with how humans work and reduces their relationships to one or the other, which isn't scientific nor correlates with actual conditions of human existence, or development of relations of humans as a whole
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:33pm
Jayden Steeves
I'm not talking about relationships though.
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:34pm
Noah Rogers
To analyze the human being outside of his interactions and development with other humans would just give you
Well
Have you seen those kids that don't get taught anything, are chained in a basement and come out literally almost braindead and shit
Cause that's happened before
Like, they're isolated their entire life and no matter what race or whatever they are they're just like, braindead memers
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:35pm
Jayden Steeves
Yeah their bone structure doesn't change or anything?
you can still tell what race they were
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:35pm
Noah Rogers
Yeah I know
Not arguing that they dont become their race, but that because they were isolated, this shit doesn't get expressed and they're just kinda
well
braindead due to their development with other humans being nonexistent, not to mention the 0 relationships leading to them knowing nothing
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:36pm
Jayden Steeves
What about it?
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:37pm
Noah Rogers
I'm using it to further my point that how a human being acts and shit is determined by their material/social conditions and not their genetics, despite that sometimes allowing a disorder to be expressed by a phenotype that comes into play when certain conditions socially/anxiety/stress are met
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:41pm
Jayden Steeves
Yeah but race still exists no matter what unnatural treatment happens?
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:42pm
Noah Rogers
I know, but you're neglecting my point from earlier. I'm not denying race, but denying it in the sense where you put it wayyyy above social determination.
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:44pm
Jayden Steeves
where did I say that i put it wayyy above "social determination"?
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:44pm
Noah Rogers
Well, I just assumed. It's generally where the alt-right people I've talked to before go with their discourse.
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:45pm
Jayden Steeves
"MUH STRAWMANS"
wow
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:45pm
Noah Rogers
Nah, was a just a practical assumption based on what the alt-right is predominantly.
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:46pm
Jayden Steeves
lil hypocrisy and assumptions going on here
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:46pm
Noah Rogers
You thought I was denying race, and I was just denying that it's a dominant in the social sphere if at all
I mean, to put race before social determination is still incredibly wrong imo
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:48pm
Jayden Steeves
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201211/cold-winters-and-the-evolution-intelligence
Theres also this
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:50pm
Noah Rogers
ill read in a sec
Jayden Steeves
5/11, 8:52pm
Jayden Steeves
Its a lot easier to die from the cold than the heat in this world, therefore things that have lived in places that are cold or have harsh winters requires a little more intelligence to survive in
things like that
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:53pm
Noah Rogers
this article is weird
Like, the guy who the author is debunking is the one going up against race realism.
"However, there are some anomalies in his data and the theory itself is based on questionable assumptions. "
That dude who you linked also wrote this
Noah Rogers
5/11, 8:57pm
Noah Rogers
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201210/personality-intelligence-and-race-realism