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  2. The Women's Hormone (and Compounds) Guide: Updated 2/22/15
  3. « on: July 25, 2014, 02:18:43 AM »
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  5. Women's Hormones & Compounds Guide: Last Updated on February 22nd, 2015
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  7. Original Author and Contributor: StellarB and Bustinass
  8. Continuing Work: Pinupgrrl
  9. Future Work: All the ladies of gh15!
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  12. Who this guide is for:
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  14. This guide is for women who want to educate themselves on AAS and other compounds. This thread is aimed at women who are competing, will compete or who take their training seriously and are looking to bring their bodies to the next level (whatever that may be).
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  16. It is strongly recommended to do a simple time on = time off of compounds and start with very conservative dosing!
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  18. You may choose to cycle hormones. If you choose this route, it's always best practice to do a simple time on = time off.
  19. Otherwise, you may blast and cruise as you see fit and regarding your goals.
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  21. How to use this guide:
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  23. **The hormones and compounds in this guide become more advanced the further down the post they are. Anavar or Primobolan are the suggested first step into hormones for women just getting into gear, whereas hormones such as Tren Ace are for more advanced lifters, competitors and bodybuilders looking to take it to the next level.**
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  25. Legal stuff:
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  27. We are not doctors. Before starting any type of program (training or otherwise) you should consult with a medical professional. Everything written here is merely advice and should be taken as such. Your own research and responsibility remain important at all times.
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  29. Treat the body with respect!
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  31. Useful Threads:
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  33. "Help Absolute Beginners"for information regarding gauge size, how to inject and other advice for those new to hormones:
  34. http://gh15.org/forum/index.php?topic=17407.0
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  36. Here we go:
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  38. At gh15 we very much prize the femininity of our competitors, at all levels of competition. As such, we recommend proceeding in hormone use with great deliberation of the permanent risks you are taking. Before beginning any hormone, ask yourself what you are willing to sacrifice to achieve your physique goals. Remember that every AAS you experiment with WILL cause virilization, the only question is how great or minor it may be. So before you begin - ask yourself what you will do if your voice begins to drop or crack? If you develop cystic acne? If you start to develop facial hair or male pattern baldness? If your jaw and facial features begin to thicken? Acquaint yourself with the risks of every hormone you consider using.
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  40. In the heat of the moment it is very easy to look with excitement at your physique and strength development, and ignore the side effects. But long after you are done competing, the side effects will be with you. Your body will have been permanently altered. So set your boundaries now, before you start. Choose the lines you will not cross. Write them down, and be vigilant in attention to unwanted physical changes. AAS should help us achieve our desired physiques, yes, but not at the cost of who we are beyond competition.
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  42. Now that we have that addressed.....
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  44. So, you want to get on the juice?
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  46. Here are some guidelines:
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  48. - Start with something that is only mildly androgenic. Anavar (Oxandrolone) and Primobolan (Metenolone) are both great options, well known for being the most female friendly compounds. They are also quite expensive, and therefore often faked. Be extremely careful when purchasing.
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  50. - Start with a low dose
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  52. - Here's an important one: Only try one new compound at a time! If something goes wrong, you want to know which compound was the issue - and guess what, stacking compounds will COMPOUND the side effects, meaning if something bad happens chances are it will be much worse than if it was a single compound on its own.
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  54. - Doses are smaller for women. If some guy tells you that you should take his dose, or even half his dose, tell him to get bent - he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
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  56. - Think for yourself. Many coaches today still don't know appropriate dosing for women. Look for coaches who have proven track records with females, whose competitors don't have bigger beards than their boyfriends.
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  58. - Just because your boyfriend/friend/brother juices does NOT mean they are qualified to give you advice on dosing or appropriate AAS. Unless he's on gh15 and has run it by the ladies ;)
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  60. - Don't go stacking shit for the hell of it. While on paper stacking Anavar with NPP and Clenbuterol and whatever else sounds like a good idea, it's a terrible idea to do this if you've never run the compound by itself first.
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  62. Onward to the fun stuff....
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  64. Aids
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  66. T3: T3 is often used in order to help the user lose weight. It has been studied and proven to be an effective fat loss agent. There are reports of hyper-thyroudism occuring from prolonged use of this compound in large doses. We don't want that, so here's some information for you.
  67. T3 is given in therapeutic doses of 1.7 mcg (micro-grams) for every kilogram of bodyweight. We want over therapy dosing, so the user may wish to use 100mcgs every day for the desired period of time. It is advised to not go over 12 weeks straight using T3.
  68. One can find this compound in liquid or pill form. Liquid form is more common.
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  70. Clenbuterol: Clenbuterol is very effective against fat loss as well. It is common for users to ramp up the dose, starting low at 20mcgs the first couple of days and ramping slowly up to 80 mcgs, then ramping down again for the last few days. Clen is generally used in 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off formats. One could also take 2 days on, 2 days off, 1 week on, 1 week off. But no longer than 2 weeks on at a time before taking a break of the equal time on.
  71. Sides may include: insomnia, shakiness, rise in heartbeat, sweating, cramps.
  72. Aids to take: you'll want to take Taurine with your clenbuterol doses, dosed at 10mgs with each clenbuterol dosing should help the cramps quite a bit. It is imperative to drink at least a gallon of water per day while on Clen (you should be doing this anyway!)
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  74. Growth Hormone: As per the instruction of gh15, only pharmaceutical GH should be used. Women can see results from as little as 2 I.U.s of GH per day. These can be dosed as 1 I.U. every 12 hours, with one of the doses following training, or as 2 I.U.s following training. Women utilizing GH see greatest results while on a high protein diet (2-3g protein/lb lean mass).**
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  76. A NOTE ON INSULIN:
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  78. SLIN IS A HIGHLY ADVANCED COMPOUND THAT SHOULD ONLY BE USED BY EXTREMELY EXPERIENCED USERS. SLIN USE CAN RESULT IN BRAIN DAMAGE, BLINDNESS, OR EVEN DEATH. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE SLIN FOR THE FIRST TIME WITHOUT EXTENSIVE SUPERVISION BY A KNOWLEDGEABLE COACH.
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  82. Orals
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  84. Anadrol: Anadrol is a compound used for building anabolism in the muscles as well as drying out and gaining lean mass. Anardol has been used medically and has been shown to have a low virilization effect. One may start at 25mgs per day and ramp to 50mgs per day, depending on goals.
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  86. Anavar:
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  88. The number one most female friendly steroid for women is, by far, Anavar (Oxandrolone). Anavar is easy on the liver, has very few virilization effects, is very low on the androgenic side effect scale and generally helps reduce bodyfat (not scientifically proven, but proven by ?bro science? and reports from many users of the compound itself) as well as the ability to keep gains made while on cycle.
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  90. Dosage: I like to recommend new steroid users to use a very conservative dose of 10mg per day, which is 5mg twice per day. You must dose anavar twice daily in order to keep blood levels stable, as the half life is quite short (around 8 or 9 hours). Anavar should be maxed around 20mgs a day for elite level athletes, but most women need not dose this high. Anavar is great while cutting fat in order to stay anabolic while cutting down calories and can work well with Clenbuterol or an ECA stack. Anavar is an oral only steroid. Anavar shouldn't be run any less than 4 weeks but no longer than 13 weeks. There is no need to taper off, you may simply stop dosage at the 12 or 13 week mark.
  91. Anavar is pricey. Legit Anavar is even more pricey. Anavar is one of the most faked compounds in the world, so make sure you know where yours comes from.
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  93. Sides: Anavar isn't known for its sides. In fact, it's so loved because many users don't get negative side effects from using this compound. Sides may include: complete stoppage of menstruation, spotting during menstruation, higher libido, enlarged clitoris, sensitive nipples, yeast infection, higher blood pressure, possible lipid level increases, voice dropping/cracking, emotional dysregulation, bloating.
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  95. *bloating and emotional sides with Anavar seem to be far more common among women than men.
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  98. Winstrol:
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  100. Winstrol (Stanozolol) is also loved my many female athletes for its low virilization effects. It tends to be a little more harsh than var and some women report drying of the joints, mild hair loss, or hair growth.
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  102. Dosage: Winstrol can be dosed in 10mg every other day due to its longer half life. Most tabs come in a convenient 10mg dosage. But to keeo hormone bloodlevels steady (and less sides) it is best to dose Winstrol every day.
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  104. Sides: Same as Var with these others: mild hair loss, mild hair growth, acne and drying of the joints.
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  106. Oral Primobolan (Primobolan Acetate)
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  108. Oral Primo is another good compound for women. The biggest difference between oral primo and injectable primo is the ester. Oral Primo is an Acetate (much faster acting than its injectable cousin). Why would a woman prefer oral Primo over injectable Primo? Mostly due to the lack of harsh sides (though, neither one is known for harsh sides at mild doses) and to see results quicker. Oral Primo will clear the blood quicker as well, which may be an important factor for some, especially if one does start to see sides, they will be cleared much more quickly than with the injectable version.
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  110. Oral Primoblan has a half life of 4-6 hours, so should be dosed twice per day like Anavar to keep blood levels stable.
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  112. Dosage: Oral Primobolan may be dosed at 20mgs per day to begin with and be slowly increased over the course of the cycle length if necessary.
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  114. Sides: Possible increase in blood pressure, hair loss, acne, voice deepening, cracking,
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  117. Injectables
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  119. Primobolan Depot:
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  121. Dosage: Primobolan, like Anavar, is a relatively side-free compound. Very few females report any negative sides with this compound and for this reason it is used in all levels of the sport, with male and females alike. Quality gains can be made using Primo.
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  123. Recommended dosage for a starting female would be 25MG EOD/E3D with the propionate ester or 50E5D with the enanthate ester.
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  125. Sides: Voice cracking, heightened libido, acne, possibility of losing quite a lot of hair (Grace 91181: NIZORAL shampoo can help combat this if it occurs, and can be useful in combating acne as well since both are likely due to the compound.)
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  127.  
  128. Testosterone Propionate:
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  130. Testosterone is a old school compound by all means and purposes and it has been used since the 1950's in all fields of sport and activity. It is widely used by males and females and it has retained its place as one of the best (if not THE best) all-round AAS available.
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  132. Test Prop can be used by women who are ready to take a dive into injectable compounds. Test prop will add girth, strength and mass in a short time with very few side effects at low doses. Recommendation is to always use the propionate ester for better control of the hormones blood levels and minimizing of any potential side effects. If there is a need to stop or alter the dosing quickly the propionate ester offers far better and faster control then other longer working esters.
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  134. Dosage: Prop is best dosed at 25mgs per week to start. I like to recommend 12.5 mgs twice per week for about 6 weeks. In this period strength, muscle mass and endurance should all go up and be noticeable as well the changes seen on the body.
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  136. Sides: Voice cracking/dropping, hair loss, hair growth, acne, hunger (this is a big one! Prop is great for a mass building phase due to this), water weight gain.
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  138. Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - NPP:
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  140. Nandrolone phenylpropionate, also known as "fast-acting deca", this is another drug often used by female bodybuilders. This drug produces slow and steady gains in strength and lean muscle tissue.
  141. It can produce side effects such as excess facial and body hair. However, unlike its longer-acting cousin, deca durabolin, NPP causes significantly less in the way of water retention and severe masculinizing side effects such as thickening of the jawline and deepening of the voice.
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  143. Dosage: The usual dosage for this compound is 50mg/week
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  146. Sides: Voice cracking/dropping, hair loss, hair growth, acne
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  148. Equipoise:
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  150. Equipose is the popularly referenced brand name for the veterinary injectable steroid boldenone undecylenate. Specifically it is a derivative of testosterone, which exhibits strong anabolic and moderately androgenic properties. The undecylenate ester greatly extends the activity of the drug while exhibiting a pronounced effect on lean bodyweight, appetite and general disposition of the animal. This compound is also said to shows a marked ability for increasing red blood cell production
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  152. The tendency to develop a noticeable amount of water retention with this drug would therefore be slightly higher than that with Deca but much less than what would be expected with a stronger agent such as Testosterone.
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  154. Dosage: The usual dosage for this compound is 50-75mg/week
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  156. Sides: Voice cracking/dropping, hair loss, hair growth, acne
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  158. Additional info: See "Notes from Grace" below.
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  160. Tren Ace:
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  162. Info: See "Notes from Grace" below.
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  164. Notes From Grace:
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  166. Equipoise
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  168. Eq is nice for women since it does not "convert" to estrogen so it's a good bulker in the offseason or good to use at the start of a prep cycle without worrying about excess water retention.
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  170. Some people experience an increase in hunger on EQ, so it might fit well with a bulker phase. EQ also promotes connective tissue repair, which can be useful in protecting the joints and ligaments while a cycle is increasing your strength (i.e. the joints become the weak link).
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  172. Typical Cycle:
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  174. Can be ran between 50-150mg / week or more depending on your goals. I say always start low and work your way up. Now if you are in figure there is no reason to be doing 300 mg/week. See my point?
  175. Typically ran for long periods of time since it doesn't show itself for 5 weeks. I say at least 10 weeks.
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  177.  
  178. Potential Sides:
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  180. Acne (face or shoulders)
  181. Oily skin
  182. Hairloss
  183. Clitoral enlargement and increased sensitivity
  184. Sore throat / cracky or deepening voice
  185. Facial hair growth
  186. Interrupted period ? will return after the detection time of eq is out of your system.
  187. May cause vaginosis / yeast infection (most any AAS has this potential) take probiotics!!!
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  189.  
  190. As far as cracky or deepening of the voice. People ask if I have a cold while I'm on cycle or course I just tell them yes. Of course it's a bit scratchy and deeper while on, but it goes away after I come off. I've always had a naturally deeper voice so really no different when I'm off. I've heard some gals that just sound like they are on all year round because they are and that's when it tends to be permanent. As far as clitoral enlargement. Same thing. It gets bigger when I'm on and goes back down when I'm off. Now it will never go back to "normal" again. But I'm fine with that.
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  192. I would say the worst side for me by far is the hair growth. I will have to get electrolisis done. I hope I helped!
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  194. Trenbalone Acetate:
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  196. Tren Ace is a very advanced hormone and shouldn't be used lightly. One can expect great gains while on Tren Ace and for the gains to be mostly permanent. Tren Ace is great for putting on solid muscle with less water weight than Test Prop. Tren may be a poor choice for those who do much cardio or who are currently cutting. It may reduce one's ability to perform high endurance activities. Tren's active life is 2-3 days, so it should be injected every other day.
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  198. Tren Ace should be run to start for around 6 weeks.
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  200. (NOTES: Tren Ace is known to raise prolactin levels, so should be used with Pramipexole to combat this. Pramipexole sides include: drowsiness, possibly nausea.
  201. Prami Dosing Dose Prami at .25mgs before bed. It may take your body some time to get used to it.)
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  203. Dosing: Tren Ace may be dosed to start at 25mgs every other day.
  204.  
  205. Sides: Tren Ace sides may include: night sweats, insomnia (Prami helps with this), acne (possbily more severe acne on longer cycles), clitoris enlargement, possible voice cracking/dropping.
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