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  1. FirstChoir> Heyo
  2. 4:58 AM
  3. <•Wildbow> Hi Firstch
  4. 4:58 AM
  5. <FirstChoir> Haha! Everytime I'm online here I'm still laugh about you not beeing Wildsnor
  6. 4:58 AM *laughing
  7. 5:00 AM Everyone's fine here? : )
  8. 5:00 AM
  9. <•Wildbow> Not being wildsnor?
  10. 5:00 AM I think so.  Things are good, haven't heard of any holiday drama or nightmares
  11. 5:00 AM
  12. <FirstChoir> Once you chanced your name to wildsnor when you are asleep
  13. 5:01 AM Haha sounds nice!
  14. 5:01 AM
  15. <Ereus> hi bow
  16. 5:01 AM how are you?
  17. 5:01 AM im alive
  18. 5:01 AM
  19. <FirstChoir> *when you were asleep
  20. 5:02 AM
  21. <Rhet> Howdy y'all
  22. 5:02 AM
  23. <Sage2> My cat threw up and I got locked out of my house taking out the trash
  24. 5:02 AM But other than that it's been great
  25. 5:02 AM <•OverThal> Hey Rhet
  26. 5:02 AM
  27. <DoubleFried> only 4 hours until 2019 here
  28. 5:02 AM i hope its gonna be a good one
  29. 5:02 AM
  30. <Rhet> Sup thal
  31. 5:03 AM
  32. <FirstChoir> I lost my walled to day for the first time in my life. So... who wins the 'most shitty day'-contest @Sage2
  33. 5:03 AM
  34. <•Wildbow> 2018 set a fairly low bar
  35. 5:03 AM <•OverThal> Not much, how are you?
  36. 5:03 AM
  37. <Sage2> That's rough, Choir\
  38. 5:03 AM
  39. <FirstChoir> I'm sorry to hear that @ WB.
  40. 5:03 AM
  41. <•Wildbow> Not for me, just in general
  42. 5:03 AM
  43. <DoubleFried> there's been better years for sure
  44. 5:04 AM
  45. <FirstChoir> Wish I'd be a clairvoyant right now or something so I coudl detect where it ended up.
  46. 5:04 AM
  47. <DoubleFried> started out some on some personal goals though myself, and if i continue those it'll be great
  48. 5:05 AM
  49. <FirstChoir> I even searched behind my freezer and the only thing I discovered was the dirt of like 7 years. :S
  50. 5:05 AM
  51. <DoubleFried> glgl FirstChoir
  52. 5:05 AM
  53. <FirstChoir> Glad to hear @ WB.
  54. 5:05 AM Or at least glad to hear that it wasn't for you.
  55. 5:06 AM
  56. <DoubleFried> i lost my wallet myself a few weeks ago but i got lucky and hadnt even realized it yet when i got an email i could come pick it up at my uni's service desk
  57. 5:06 AM
  58. <FirstChoir> Oh... but in the time between, where did you get your money from?
  59. 5:07 AM <FaustAndAbout> Savings I assume
  60. 5:07 AM
  61. <DoubleFried> i didnt
  62. 5:07 AM
  63. <FirstChoir> Because I have everything in my wallet.... so my money-card is also gone. And all my money was in it :S
  64. 5:07 AM I just realized it because I wanted to buy cigarettes.
  65. 5:07 AM
  66. <DoubleFried> i lost it in the morning, got the email at noon, so i cycled back and picked it up
  67. 5:07 AM
  68. <FirstChoir> At least I had some.... totally weird stuff.
  69. 5:07 AM I have... something of a kiss/kill-stuff going on.
  70. 5:08 AM <FaustAndAbout> It's a wise idea to save up for at least a months worth of no income. Also don't you have your card number written down somewhere?
  71. 5:08 AM
  72. <FirstChoir> A guy which is in my age (26)... 3 years ago I met him when he was living on the streets. He has several psycholigcal problems and... I ... helped him and nowadays he has a job and stuff. But he is really focused on my like kiss/kill.
  73. 5:08 AM
  74. <Rhet> Mine in my phone
  75. 5:09 AM Samsung wallet
  76. 5:09 AM *mine's
  77. 5:09 AM
  78. <FirstChoir> However - he tends to come to my city and put gifts in my letterbox. There was a box full of cigarettes in it. I'm fine with that : D
  79. 5:09 AM <FaustAndAbout> You could probably get some help in #relationships
  80. 5:10 AM ⇐ Fulvus quit (uid282867@192.184.10.9) Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
  81. 5:10 AM
  82. <FirstChoir> I don't have a problem with it. I just mentioned it because it's so funny. Like we were cluster-capes.
  83. 5:10 AM Or is that spoiler for wards?
  84. 5:11 AM but @faustandabout it's not that I want to discuss problems. I just mentioned somethign really funny xD
  85. 5:11 AM <FaustAndAbout> Oh.
  86. 5:11 AM
  87. <•Wildbow> Glow-worm stuff is ok for main chat, I think.
  88. 5:11 AM But hard line to draw when getting deeper into it
  89. 5:12 AM Wellwick → •Firewick
  90. 5:13 AM
  91. <Ereus> >
  92.  
  93.     bow doesnt even acknowledge your existence
  94.  
  95. 5:15 AM
  96. <•Firewick> I acknowledge you Reus
  97. 5:15 AM <FaustAndAbout> Who?
  98. 5:15 AM
  99. <Ereus> someone
  100. 5:15 AM
  101. <•Firewick> Can't you see them Faust? Am I haunted?
  102. 5:16 AM <FaustAndAbout> Yes
  103. 5:16 AM
  104. <Roarian> evening folks
  105. 5:16 AM
  106. <Rhet> Howdy
  107. 5:16 AM
  108. <DoubleFried> eeevening
  109. 5:17 AM
  110. <•Firewick> Hey scary lion
  111. 5:17 AM
  112. <DoubleFried> just got back a passing grade for an exam i performed poorly on
  113. 5:17 AM nice way to close out the year \o/
  114. 5:17 AM
  115. <•Firewick> Nice work Double
  116. 5:24 AM
  117. <FirstChoir> hey as long as you don't pull a bakuda it's fine ; P
  118. 5:24 AM what was the topic of the exam?
  119. 5:26 AM
  120. <DoubleFried> analysis of the IPCC report
  121. 5:27 AM on a somewhat basic level
  122. 5:27 AM
  123. <FirstChoir> hmmm....
  124. 5:27 AM yup i'm totally out.
  125. 5:27 AM What is the IPCC report?
  126. 5:29 AM And hey, I don't know where you are from: But there were also like 1, 2 tests i fucked up during my bachelor and master - stuff. Still I ended well. Dooing poorly on one test isn't such a big thing.
  127. 5:29 AM And today is the last day of the year: Anything I can do to make you happy? : )
  128. 5:30 AM
  129. <DoubleFried> its a big periodical report on climate change
  130. 5:31 AM
  131. <Doc_Mod> hey gang
  132. 5:31 AM o/
  133. 5:31 AM
  134. <DoubleFried> i know doing poorly isnt the worst thing, i just was really hoping id scraped by enough to not have to retake the exam :P
  135. 5:31 AM hiya doc
  136. 5:31 AM \o
  137. 5:32 AM
  138. <Doc_Mod> Oh dear. An exam. Good Luck on try #2
  139. 5:32 AM
  140. <DoubleFried> no no
  141. 5:32 AM i was sharing the good news id managed to get a passing grade \o/
  142. 5:32 AM barely, but thats good enough!
  143. 5:32 AM
  144. <Doc_Mod> oh!
  145. 5:32 AM :O
  146. 5:33 AM
  147. — Doc_Mod waggles his arms in the air like he just does not care
  148. 5:33 AM
  149. <DoubleFried> waggle waggle waggle
  150. 5:33 AM
  151. <FirstChoir> Hey @Doublefried I root for you that it's just nut barely getting by but doing realy well in the test. Until one gets the results you never know ; P
  152. 5:34 AM
  153. <DoubleFried> i did get the results :P
  154. 5:34 AM
  155. <FirstChoir> and if you keep and waggling you remind me on sveta xD
  156. 5:34 AM
  157. <DoubleFried> and it was barely enough
  158. 5:34 AM next time i'll do better and put in more effort
  159. 5:34 AM
  160. <FirstChoir> How often can you do the same test?
  161. 5:34 AM
  162. <DoubleFried> happy new year btw doc
  163. 5:35 AM
  164. <FirstChoir> Doc is already in the new year?
  165. 5:35 AM Happy new year from me, also! : D
  166. 5:35 AM
  167. <DoubleFried> nah but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  168. 5:35 AM
  169. <FirstChoir> Wish I'd be some great artist. Because I'd draw some stuff where all the pyrokinetic guys from worm/ward would light some huge ass firework stuff
  170. 5:36 AM
  171. <DoubleFried> heh thatd be pretty sweet
  172. 5:36 AM
  173. <FirstChoir> And it would even spell something out like 'FERAL BOARA ARE AWESOME' : D
  174. 5:36 AM *BOARS
  175. 5:36 AM although burnscar might be a little bit of bitter after the grue-siberian-coppycat-treatment
  176. 5:37 AM Btw am I the only one who thinks that burnscar is underrated?
  177. 5:38 AM
  178. <DoubleFried> i mostly feel she's kind of tragic
  179. 5:38 AM
  180. <FirstChoir> I really love to re-read her interlude and she fucking single-handly fucked up Faultline's crew. Girl is mighty.
  181. 5:38 AM She is...
  182. 5:39 AM
  183. <DoubleFried> and yeh she kicked some serious butt
  184. 5:39 AM
  185. <FirstChoir> Especially where she tell's Elle how she... just burned the guy who wanted to whore her out but then went into killing him. All the time she was so alone and that slice of life during imp's interlude was propably  the most nice human interactiom she got. Especially since Elle faked everything.
  186. 5:40 AM Also she is so badass on the same time. She is kind of broken but still she can hold herself together so much like making fun about jack's rules.
  187. 5:40 AM
  188. <•Mishie> k
  189. 5:40 AM
  190. <FirstChoir> Like when she tells skitter 'I wont tell if you don't'
  191. 5:41 AM (sorry, i like tragic people)
  192. 5:44 AM For all the people reading here: What would you do if you hear that the S9 are in town?
  193. 5:46 AM
  194. <•Mishie> That I should call security to say that a mental health ward patient has escaped
  195. 5:46 AM <SugarIcing> First thought - get into the first train away from the city
  196. 5:46 AM
  197. <hex> well there goes the neighborhood
  198. 5:47 AM <SugarIcing> second thought - too dangerous, I should call my dad and tell him to pick me up with his car as he's running away
  199. 5:49 AM
  200. <DoubleFried> getting the first train out of town sounds like an excellent idea
  201. 5:50 AM <SugarIcing> I think the chance of them attacking a train is much higher than a car.
  202. 5:52 AM
  203. <DoubleFried> i dont have a car and there's lots of trains
  204. 5:52 AM :P
  205. 5:53 AM <SugarIcing> Then yeah. Good idea.
  206. 5:53 AM :)
  207. 6:01 AM
  208. <•Firewick> Go find Jack and sign up to my true calling
  209. 6:12 AM → Nadaesque joined (nada@net-n0m.bbu.133.75.IP)
  210. 6:12 AM
  211. <FirstChoir> Well if I would be just doing stuff in my town and suddleny jack would be there...
  212. 6:12 AM I'd invite him to some tee or coffee.
  213. 6:13 AM Because... I'd be dead anyways but I guess he is a very interesting person to have coffee with.
  214. 6:13 AM
  215. <Nadaesque> "So, I hear you have traveled the world, met and killed a lot of people.  What's that like?
  216. 6:13 AM
  217. <FirstChoir> Exactly!
  218. 6:14 AM ALso : "You will kill me anyways, at least tell me that stuff im curious about."
  219. 6:14 AM
  220. <Nadaesque> He seems to have this ... it isn't quite oppositional defiant disorder, but he (unsurprisingly) cannot take anything at face value.  
  221. 6:14 AM
  222. <FirstChoir> Because I think it's extremly funny to have some coffee with him. I'd even pay it.
  223. 6:14 AM
  224. <•Mishie> yikes
  225. 6:15 AM
  226. <Nadaesque> What you need is a list of questions.  "Favorite 'retired' member of the S9?"
  227. 6:15 AM
  228. <FirstChoir> how do you mean that?
  229. 6:15 AM right!
  230. 6:15 AM
  231. <Nadaesque> "Tell me about 'the one who got away.'  Everyone has one."
  232. 6:15 AM
  233. <FirstChoir> or when it's a bar and now coffee shop i'd say: Show me your dick
  234. 6:16 AM and since he'd kill me anyways I would be at least the first person who would asked him such a question : D
  235. 6:17 AM
  236. <Nadaesque> "Hero you'd most like to recruit!"
  237. 6:17 AM
  238. <FirstChoir> Recruit? Rather brake down...
  239. 6:17 AM
  240. <Nadaesque> Shhhh.  Recruit.
  241. 6:17 AM
  242. <FirstChoir> Already thinking like one of them
  243. 6:17 AM
  244. <Nadaesque> "Sooner or later you'll retire, one way or another.  What would you like your legacy to be?"
  245. 6:18 AM
  246. <FirstChoir> "Making a picture of jack's dick while he was peeing and getting it all over the internet"
  247. 6:19 AM → waxpapers joined (uid299478@stonehaven.irccloud.com)
  248. 6:19 AM
  249. <FirstChoir> But I'm still so interest in the dynamic between him and the rest of the nine
  250. 6:19 AM
  251. <•Mishie> double yikes
  252. 6:19 AM I honestly just find it adorable that people think that they'd survive long enough to even get a word out tbh
  253. 6:19 AM
  254. <FirstChoir> I mean... I really can't imagine how he interacted with someone like Winter
  255. 6:20 AM Hey... I don't think that tbh
  256. 6:20 AM
  257. <Nadaesque> Mishie: He does seem to like to get someone talking, if only as an excuse to monologue.
  258. 6:20 AM
  259. <•Mishie> Yeah but y'know
  260. 6:20 AM
  261. <FirstChoir> On earth beth I'd be slayed down in secounds. Especially because I'd come across as goofy and he doesn't like that propapbly
  262. 6:20 AM
  263. <•Mishie> How should I put it
  264. 6:21 AM He doesn't seem to have any problem with slaughtering small children
  265. 6:21 AM
  266. <FirstChoir> He would cut me down like behemoth did with regent or noelle acted after he asked her some goofy shit about cloning him.
  267. 6:21 AM Im 26.
  268. 6:21 AM I'm not a small children : O
  269. 6:22 AM
  270. <Nadaesque> You could be.
  271. 6:22 AM
  272. <FirstChoir> thank you very much
  273. 6:22 AM
  274. <•Mishie> Yeah so acting like one is just going to annoy him instead of be amusing
  275. 6:22 AM awks
  276. 6:22 AM
  277. <FirstChoir> Yeah depening
  278. 6:22 AM He is so special.
  279. 6:23 AM If you are amusing in a way which entertains him you get 5 more minutes to life
  280. 6:23 AM propably
  281. 6:23 AM
  282. <•Mishie> So the plan is to barrage him with random questions and to try to get a dick pic?\
  283. 6:23 AM Bold
  284. 6:23 AM ⇐ FirstChoir quit (FirstChoir@net-2097cf.dyn.telefonica.de) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
  285. 6:24 AM
  286. <Nadaesque> "My Very Last Blog Post: A Special Interview with Jack Slash."
  287. 6:24 AM → FirstChoir joined (FirstChoir@net-2097cf.dyn.telefonica.de)
  288. 6:25 AM
  289. <FirstChoir> yeah propably
  290. 6:25 AM I mean... imagine beeing a mere mortal person w/o any persons and coming across Jack slash...
  291. 6:25 AM
  292. — •Mishie shrugs
  293. 6:25 AM
  294. <FirstChoir> The onle thing you can do is beeing extraordinary. Otherwise you are instantly dead.
  295. 6:25 AM
  296. <Nadaesque> "So, you've got the wanderlust thing.  'Leave only footprints, take only memories,' only in your case it's 'bodies' and 'lives.'  Anything you miss about settling down?"
  297. 6:25 AM
  298. <•Mishie> Honestly I never really found him to be all that interesting as a character
  299. 6:26 AM <•OverThal> He's more of a storm than a character
  300. 6:26 AM
  301. <FirstChoir> @Mishie Why?
  302. 6:26 AM
  303. <Rhet> We've talked about this before
  304. 6:26 AM
  305. <•Mishie> Yeah
  306. 6:26 AM
  307. <FirstChoir> but not with me
  308. 6:26 AM
  309. <•Mishie> Like we literally had a massive conversation with you about it
  310. 6:26 AM
  311. <Rhet> It was with you, actually
  312. 6:27 AM
  313. <•Mishie> good times
  314. 6:27 AM
  315. <FirstChoir> Oh....
  316. 6:27 AM Nah he still is interesting.
  317. 6:27 AM
  318. <•Mishie> Do you really not remember it?
  319. 6:27 AM Okay, why.
  320. 6:27 AM <Spellspin> who're we shit talking
  321. 6:27 AM
  322. <•Mishie> Jack Slash
  323. 6:27 AM <Spellspin> ew, gross
  324. 6:29 AM
  325. <Nadaesque> FirstChoir: You could try for an interview with Bonesaw and Mannequin, just for a bonus round.  "Most tinkers have labs and a lot of equipment to go with it, you two have to travel light.  What's the improv life like, and what are your indispensable tools?"
  326. 6:29 AM
  327. <DoubleFried> JackSlash in an alternate universe is a prolific fanfiction writer who focuses on Jack Frost slash fics with whomever they can think of
  328. 6:29 AM
  329. <FirstChoir> One thing I really wonder about him is if he had friends.
  330. 6:29 AM
  331. <DoubleFried> nah
  332. 6:29 AM
  333. <FirstChoir> Like... did he really manipulate the rest of the 9? Or where there some people he considered asd friends...
  334. 6:29 AM
  335. <Rhet> I mean that's pretty clear in the story
  336. 6:30 AM Even King wasn't his friend
  337. 6:30 AM
  338. <•Mishie> Yeah he uh, made that pretty clear
  339. 6:30 AM
  340. <Rhet> Er, Harbinger
  341. 6:30 AM
  342. <DoubleFried> jack was fundamentally broken
  343. 6:30 AM
  344. <FirstChoir> we don't even know all the members of the S9
  345. 6:31 AM and Bonesaw ones thought about him as a daddy because he got old
  346. 6:31 AM
  347. <Rhet> We don't have to
  348. 6:31 AM We have a pretty clear image of his personality
  349. 6:31 AM
  350. — •Mishie squints
  351. 6:31 AM
  352. <FirstChoir> I  just have a hard time to think he was a master mind for his whole life w/o a true friend :S
  353. 6:31 AM pooer jack : (
  354. 6:31 AM
  355. <Rhet> Bonesaw was a child he kidnapped and tortured
  356. 6:31 AM
  357. <•Mishie> Yeah pretty sure he died friendless and alone
  358. 6:31 AM unlucky
  359. 6:31 AM <•OverThal> Same.
  360. 6:31 AM
  361. <•Mishie> But hey, at least he died as he lived!
  362. 6:32 AM
  363. <Doc_Mod> Good Riddance to bad rubbish
  364. 6:32 AM
  365. <FirstChoir> And she wasn't his friend but a protige
  366. 6:32 AM
  367. <•Mishie> Pretty sure that she was a useful tool at best
  368. 6:32 AM
  369. <FirstChoir> Poor jack!
  370. 6:32 AM
  371. <Nadaesque> Mishie: Buried under tons of rock and dirt with nobody to talk to but himself?
  372. 6:32 AM
  373. <•Mishie> yee
  374. 6:32 AM
  375. <Rhet> You mean abuse victim
  376. 6:32 AM Not protege
  377. 6:32 AM → Ender joined (genji102@net-rloql9.ma.comcast.net)
  378. 6:32 AM
  379. <FirstChoir> She talked about herself as his protige. I don't know if you can say 'abuse victim'
  380. 6:32 AM
  381. <Nadaesque> You say potato ...
  382. 6:32 AM
  383. <Rhet> Uh
  384. 6:32 AM
  385. — •Mishie stares
  386. 6:32 AM
  387. <•Mishie> Uhm
  388. 6:32 AM
  389. <DoubleFried> you read her trigger event right?
  390. 6:32 AM <•OverThal> Stockholm syndrome is a thing
  391. 6:32 AM
  392. <•Mishie> That's a uh
  393. 6:33 AM Fascinating opinion
  394. 6:33 AM
  395. <Rhet> What part of torturing her parents to death in front of her
  396. 6:33 AM Isn't abuse
  397. 6:33 AM <•OverThal> Rhet: they gave her an early bed time
  398. 6:33 AM
  399. <DoubleFried> tbf who hasnt done that to their friends
  400. 6:33 AM
  401. <FirstChoir> Expecting the trigger event... well, the rest of the nine cared much about her, she felt like they were here family and jack didn't outright abuse here
  402. 6:33 AM
  403. <Rhet> Except where he threatened to kill her
  404. 6:33 AM
  405. <•Mishie> Uhm
  406. 6:33 AM
  407. <Rhet> And her trigger event
  408. 6:33 AM
  409. <•Mishie> buddy
  410. 6:33 AM Pal
  411. 6:33 AM
  412. <FirstChoir> he.. taught here the stuff he was into. It's such a fucked up special case. it's not abuse in the sense we know.
  413. 6:33 AM
  414. <•Mishie> frond
  415. 6:33 AM
  416. <Nadaesque> Buhbie
  417. 6:34 AM
  418. <•Mishie> That's literally abuse
  419. 6:34 AM <•OverThal> Rhet: and the forcing her to act exactly like he wanted?
  420. 6:34 AM
  421. <Rhet> Yep
  422. 6:34 AM
  423. <•Mishie> That is in fact literally what abuse is
  424. 6:34 AM
  425. <FirstChoir> I don't wont to offend anyone here - sorry if i did.
  426. 6:34 AM
  427. <•Mishie> Abuse isn't just physical
  428. 6:34 AM
  429. <Rhet> We're not offended
  430. 6:34 AM
  431. <FirstChoir> But she didn't suffer under him.
  432. 6:34 AM
  433. <Rhet> We're just in disbelief
  434. 6:34 AM lol what
  435. 6:34 AM
  436. <•Mishie> Amazing
  437. 6:34 AM
  438. <FirstChoir> Abuse is just such a critical theme
  439. 6:34 AM
  440. <Rhet> Did you read the same story
  441. 6:34 AM
  442. <FirstChoir> I did.
  443. 6:34 AM
  444. <DoubleFried> wow
  445. 6:35 AM
  446. <FirstChoir> Okay, may I ask to understand it?
  447. 6:35 AM
  448. <•Mishie> What a fascinating opinion
  449. 6:35 AM
  450. <Rhet> Yes
  451. 6:35 AM
  452. <FirstChoir> Where actually did she suffer?
  453. 6:35 AM
  454. <Rhet> When he tortured her parents to death in front of her
  455. 6:35 AM
  456. <DoubleFried> how about her trigger event
  457. 6:35 AM <•OverThal> Notice how different she acted the /second/ he wasn't around?
  458. 6:35 AM
  459. <FirstChoir> The trigger event - absoletly!
  460. 6:35 AM
  461. <Rhet> When he threatened to kill her if she didn't act exactly the way he wanted
  462. 6:35 AM <•OverThal> Like how she was a totally different person?
  463. 6:35 AM
  464. <FirstChoir> But aferwards...
  465. 6:36 AM
  466. <Nadaesque> Well there's the whole "family killed in front of her and she kept trying to save them and couldn't because the rest of the nine kept taking chunks out of them" as a starter.
  467. 6:36 AM
  468. <•Mishie> And then y'know
  469. 6:36 AM
  470. <Rhet> When she was scared for her life afrer the Contessa thing
  471. 6:36 AM
  472. <•Mishie> All the conditioning that came after that
  473. 6:36 AM
  474. <DoubleFried> and then jack made her disavow her parents because she couldnt keep saving them
  475. 6:36 AM
  476. <Rhet> Aren't you a neurobiologist
  477. 6:36 AM
  478. <FirstChoir> Jack took her as 'protige', he made her see every living beeing as a playground. It's fucked up, but only from the outside
  479. 6:36 AM <•OverThal> She clearly didn't want that job.
  480. 6:36 AM <FaustAndAbout> He murdered her family :|
  481. 6:37 AM
  482. <Rhet> Abuse seems normal to the victim
  483. 6:37 AM
  484. <•Mishie> til that abusing kids until they want to torture and murder others isn't abuse
  485. 6:37 AM
  486. <FirstChoir> Until contessa waltzed in she didn't even mind that
  487. 6:37 AM
  488. <•Mishie> What a world
  489. 6:37 AM <•OverThal> Mishie: at least my hobby is safe
  490. 6:37 AM
  491. <•Mishie> She was literally forced to do increasingly fucked up shit until her mind broke
  492. 6:37 AM
  493. <DoubleFried> im like going to take a walk
  494. 6:37 AM
  495. <•Mishie> And she mentally distanced herself from it all to pretend that things were happy and okay.
  496. 6:37 AM
  497. <FirstChoir> What I'm about is that she didn't had problems with what made her trigger. She wasn't rilley, she was 'bonesaw
  498. 6:37 AM
  499. <•Mishie> Like
  500. 6:37 AM
  501. <Rhet> If you're saying she didn't mind it because she didn't fight back
  502. 6:37 AM Then that's like textbook victim blaming
  503. 6:38 AM
  504. <FirstChoir> And as bonesaw everything that was living was a huge playground
  505. 6:38 AM
  506. <•Mishie> The way Bonesaw acted early on wasn't actually how normal children acted
  507. 6:38 AM
  508. <Rhet> Because she abused into being that
  509. 6:38 AM
  510. <•Mishie> That was how she told herself that she should act
  511. 6:38 AM
  512. <Rhet> To save herself from Jack
  513. 6:38 AM <•OverThal> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
  514. 6:38 AM :thinking:
  515. 6:38 AM
  516. <FirstChoir> it wasn't stockholm syndrom
  517. 6:38 AM
  518. <•Mishie> Why
  519. 6:38 AM So you're saying
  520. 6:39 AM
  521. <FirstChoir> rather more like kids who get abused as kids tend to abuse other kids when they are adult.
  522. 6:39 AM
  523. <Rhet> Because it has to be abuse for it to be Stockholm syndrome /s
  524. 6:39 AM
  525. <•Mishie> .
  526. 6:39 AM
  527. <FirstChoir> I don't have the name for it, but that plays also into it.
  528. 6:39 AM
  529. <•Mishie> So you're saying that it's abuse
  530. 6:39 AM anyway
  531. 6:39 AM
  532. <FirstChoir> I'm just speaking from... not from the inside but how bonesaw felt.
  533. 6:39 AM It's fucked up.
  534. 6:39 AM But she didn't feel it.
  535. 6:39 AM
  536. <Rhet> She did
  537. 6:39 AM She hid it
  538. 6:39 AM
  539. <FirstChoir> Because of contessa.
  540. 6:39 AM
  541. <•Mishie> Are you really saying that over time Riley didn't form a bond with Jack?
  542. 6:39 AM
  543. <Rhet> Because Jack would kill her if she didnt
  544. 6:40 AM
  545. <FirstChoir> @mishi you mean me?
  546. 6:40 AM
  547. <Rhet> Contessa didn't change her
  548. 6:40 AM
  549. <keyonte0> https://i.imgur.com/NEb3FwP.jpg
  550. 6:40 AM
  551. <•Mishie> No I'm obviously talking to Rhet
  552. 6:40 AM
  553. <Rhet> She just broke down a wall
  554. 6:40 AM
  555. <•Mishie> But yeah
  556. 6:41 AM
  557. <FirstChoir> Jack influenced RIley in such a way that she really enjoeyed all that stuff.
  558. 6:41 AM *bonesaw
  559. 6:41 AM
  560. <Rhet> Yeah that's abuse
  561. 6:41 AM
  562. <FirstChoir> As Bonesaw she liked it. She didn't feel like the victim of an abused victim.
  563. 6:41 AM
  564. <Rhet> Because she repressed those feelings
  565. 6:41 AM
  566. <FirstChoir> But... okay - perhaps that's how victims of abuse feel. I'm no expert here.
  567. 6:41 AM all the years?
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  569. 6:42 AM <FaustAndAbout> Yes?
  570. 6:42 AM
  571. <FirstChoir> How she acted alone like with blasto or skitter... didn't look like that to me.
  572. 6:42 AM
  573. <DoubleFried> a big part of abuse is that the abusee's worldview is warped into believing that whats happening to them is okay
  574. 6:42 AM
  575. <FirstChoir> Oh...
  576. 6:42 AM
  577. <Nadaesque> FirstChoir: I think the miscommunication here is that you're focusing on physical abuse, things that activate nociceptors.
  578. 6:42 AM
  579. <hex> Bonesaw clearly fucking loved murdering people
  580. 6:42 AM
  581. <•Mishie> okay so
  582. 6:42 AM
  583. <Rhet> Well, in this case, she thought Jack would kill her if she didn't act like she liked it
  584. 6:42 AM
  585. <FirstChoir> @Doublefried That makes sense
  586. 6:42 AM
  587. <Rhet> So it's pretty understandable
  588. 6:43 AM
  589. <•Mishie> FirstChoir: here's a scenario, you're working at a hospital and you see a woman come in as a patient
  590. 6:43 AM <FaustAndAbout> Hey FirstChoir you ever heard of Pavlov's dog?
  591. 6:43 AM
  592. <Nadaesque> More like Harlow's "pit of despair."
  593. 6:43 AM
  594. <•Mishie> She has fractured facial bones and burns on her arms.
  595. 6:43 AM <FaustAndAbout> I'm assuming high school level education Nada
  596. 6:43 AM Because complications ain't needed
  597. 6:44 AM
  598. <FirstChoir> Somehow... you really conviced me that till the end she was just a victim...
  599. 6:44 AM
  600. <•Mishie> When she's asked about how it happened, she's evasive and doesn't want to give any details.
  601. 6:44 AM
  602. <FirstChoir> Damn.. makes the meeting with cauldron after the S9000 even more horrible...
  603. 6:44 AM
  604. <Rhet> I'm not sure how you could think she wasn't, tbh
  605. 6:44 AM
  606. <•Mishie> When she's being discharged her husband arrives to pick her up
  607. 6:44 AM
  608. <FirstChoir> I like to believe she was... so amoral.
  609. 6:44 AM
  610. <waxpapers> it's pretty common for people inside abusive relationships to not see the relationship as abusive. that's actually a big part of why people have trouble getting out of them
  611. 6:45 AM
  612. <•Mishie> Even though she's strongly implied that he abused her earlier, when she's asked about it now she fully denies it
  613. 6:45 AM Is that person an abuse victim FirstChoir?
  614. 6:45 AM
  615. <Mallmann> Jack Slash was a low-key mind controller though
  616. 6:45 AM
  617. <FirstChoir> I dont know.
  618. 6:45 AM
  619. <•Mishie> Really?
  620. 6:45 AM
  621. <FirstChoir> Really.
  622. 6:45 AM
  623. <•Mishie> Because I'm like, literally describing THE cliche example.
  624. 6:46 AM Like
  625. 6:46 AM <FaustAndAbout> It's outside the lens of biological determinism :p
  626. 6:46 AM
  627. <FirstChoir> hahaha
  628. 6:46 AM
  629. <•Mishie> I don't know if it's possible for me to make it any more stereotypical
  630. 6:46 AM
  631. <FirstChoir> It's just... during what we saw during worm, Bonesaw saw them as family. Even the siberian acted as a mother bear to her.
  632. 6:47 AM For me the core-group of the nine are like... family.
  633. 6:47 AM
  634. <•Mishie> Well
  635. 6:47 AM
  636. <Doc_Mod> I mean just because Bonesaw grows to like them over time and see them as family doesn't mean that she wasn't a victim of abuse and grooming
  637. 6:47 AM → Valence joined (uid230412@highgate.irccloud.com)
  638. 6:47 AM
  639. <•Mishie> It's okay to be wrong sometimes
  640. 6:47 AM
  641. <FirstChoir> Yeah ; P
  642. 6:47 AM
  643. <waxpapers> mishie: she could have a black eye but vehemently insist she fell into a doorknob
  644. 6:47 AM
  645. <FirstChoir> And I can at least dmit it
  646. 6:47 AM
  647. <•Mishie> waxpapers: I was so close to saying that she tripped and fell down the stairs
  648. 6:47 AM But I was like
  649. 6:47 AM "Nah that's too much, it's already so over the top"
  650. 6:48 AM
  651. <Doc_Mod> Also it feels funny having you talk about bonesaw seeing them as family when they literally killed her parents in front of her.
  652. 6:48 AM
  653. <Mallmann> I guess you're missing the point that she was mind controlled all along?
  654. 6:48 AM
  655. <Doc_Mod> several times
  656. 6:48 AM
  657. <•Mishie> And goddam I've straight up seen WAY worse than shit irl
  658. 6:48 AM Mallmann: ehhhh
  659. 6:48 AM I wouldn't call it mind control
  660. 6:48 AM
  661. <FirstChoir> well...
  662. 6:48 AM
  663. <Doc_Mod> Jack doesn't do Heartbreaker shit. That I know of.
  664. 6:48 AM
  665. <Mallmann> It is tho. Even more powerful than that
  666. 6:48 AM
  667. <FirstChoir> fuck I can't spoiler ward stuff here
  668. 6:49 AM
  669. <Doc_Mod> Yeah don't do that
  670. 6:49 AM I'll be cross
  671. 6:49 AM I haven't caught up
  672. 6:49 AM
  673. <•Mishie> Being persuasive and having clues on what to say doesn't make you a mind controller
  674. 6:49 AM
  675. <FirstChoir> but jack, siberian and bonesaw actually liked each other
  676. 6:49 AM
  677. <•Mishie> See FirstChoir
  678. 6:49 AM
  679. <Mallmann> The fact that removing Dragon from the scheme increased the chance of success
  680. 6:49 AM
  681. <•Mishie> You keep saying that
  682. 6:49 AM
  683. <FirstChoir> @dOC_MOD. READ WARD
  684. 6:49 AM it's awesome
  685. 6:49 AM
  686. <•Mishie> FirstChoir: no
  687. 6:49 AM
  688. <Doc_Mod> Yo don't @ me
  689. 6:49 AM
  690. <FirstChoir> oh
  691. 6:49 AM
  692. <Ereus> @doc_mod
  693. 6:49 AM
  694. <FirstChoir> sorry! :x
  695. 6:49 AM
  696. <Doc_Mod> :P
  697. 6:49 AM ← Ereus (uid242598@stonehaven.irccloud.com) was kicked by •Mishie: no
  698. 6:49 AM
  699. <FirstChoir> didn't know that
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  701. 6:49 AM
  702. <DoubleFried> @me
  703. 6:49 AM
  704. <Mallmann> Jack Slash main power is his broadcasting
  705. 6:50 AM
  706. <Ereus> mashi plz no
  707. 6:50 AM
  708. <•Mishie> Don't do things that literally said not to do
  709. 6:50 AM
  710. <FirstChoir> I didn't know that.
  711. 6:50 AM May I ask why not @-ing doc?
  712. 6:50 AM
  713. <•Mishie> Mallmann: yeah and I feel like calling it mind control kinda belies just how insidious it was
  714. 6:50 AM <FaustAndAbout> Because he said not to
  715. 6:50 AM
  716. <waxpapers> the takeaway is that a lot of abuse victims do see their abusers as family. if your barometer is that if they love the abuser, it's not abuse, you're going to get false negatives on the majority of cases of abuse
  717. 6:50 AM
  718. <FirstChoir> I'm to this day not sure what to think about some kind of midn controll.
  719. 6:50 AM
  720. <Mallmann> Oh. It wasn't blatant mind controll, yeah
  721. 6:51 AM
  722. <•Mishie> Yeah, mainly just a semantics quibble :P
  723. 6:51 AM
  724. <waxpapers> @ing when it's not important is kinda irritating. it shows up as a ping, usually makes a noise, etc.
  725. 6:51 AM
  726. <•Mishie> adding the @ makes no difference
  727. 6:51 AM
  728. <Mallmann> It was more of a Contessa-like mind control
  729. 6:51 AM
  730. <Doc_Mod> I have a large dislike of mind control. It's bad fam
  731. 6:51 AM
  732. <•Mishie> I'll agree with that Mall
  733. 6:51 AM
  734. <Mallmann> You just push the right parts of the brain and kablam
  735. 6:52 AM
  736. <•Mishie> Even though I'd argue against calling what she did mind control technically
  737. 6:52 AM Yeah
  738. 6:52 AM <FaustAndAbout> It's manipulation
  739. 6:52 AM
  740. <•Mishie> It's cause/effect
  741. 6:52 AM exactly
  742. 6:52 AM
  743. <FirstChoir> But jack didn't just abuse her but told her stories until she felt asleep, was really nice to her after she was bonesaw. I think it's such a difficult case that it doesn't fall under the normal abuse-shit we know from our earth
  744. 6:52 AM
  745. <•Mishie> um
  746. 6:52 AM
  747. <Doc_Mod> Look Choir
  748. 6:52 AM
  749. <•Mishie> Buddy
  750. 6:52 AM
  751. <Nadaesque> Pal
  752. 6:52 AM
  753. <Doc_Mod> Abusers can do nice things every now and again
  754. 6:52 AM
  755. <•Mishie> You're literally describing shit that happens in real world abuse cases FirstChoir...
  756. 6:52 AM Like
  757. 6:52 AM
  758. <Doc_Mod> They're not mustache twirling people who abuse people all the time
  759. 6:52 AM
  760. <•Mishie> Abusers aren't just
  761. 6:52 AM Yeah
  762. 6:52 AM <FaustAndAbout> You can read about this
  763. 6:53 AM
  764. <•Mishie> That's literally part of what makes it so hurtful and insidious
  765. 6:53 AM How they twist what you consider to be okay
  766. 6:53 AM
  767. <Nadaesque> A smart abuser runs hot-and-cold.
  768. 6:53 AM <FaustAndAbout> I recommend "The Boy Who Was Raised As A Dog"
  769. 6:53 AM
  770. <FirstChoir> it's just my opinion based on what i experienced. I don't say what i'm say is perfect or the ultimative true. But tbh... if I would trigger know having someone like jack beeing so nice to me? Beeing like a father/friend
  771. 6:53 AM Because only her trigger event was horrible
  772. 6:54 AM
  773. <•Mishie> One that'd abandon you in a second if they decided that it was better for them?
  774. 6:54 AM
  775. <FirstChoir> the rest was him beeing like a daddy to her
  776. 6:54 AM
  777. <•Mishie> Oof
  778. 6:54 AM Yeah uh
  779. 6:54 AM
  780. <FirstChoir> He never abadonned her in a second
  781. 6:54 AM <FaustAndAbout> Well that and having to kill thousands
  782. 6:54 AM
  783. <•Mishie> You're making a TON of assumptions there
  784. 6:54 AM About how her day to day life was
  785. 6:54 AM
  786. <Mallmann> Make you feel like waking on eggshells. That's classical abuse
  787. 6:54 AM <FaustAndAbout> And routinely rip people apart
  788. 6:54 AM
  789. <•Mishie> Like
  790. 6:54 AM
  791. <Mallmann> *walking
  792. 6:54 AM
  793. <FirstChoir> @mishi do you think her day to day life was horrible to her?
  794. 6:54 AM
  795. <•Mishie> You saw her after literally years of conditioning
  796. 6:54 AM And after having been broken down as a person
  797. 6:54 AM So yeah
  798. 6:55 AM If that's what you really want, more power to you.
  799. 6:55 AM I'm not going to kickshame
  800. 6:55 AM <FaustAndAbout> She's part of a public enemy group
  801. 6:55 AM Her day to day is probably pretty bad
  802. 6:55 AM
  803. <FirstChoir> @Faustandabout why do you think so?
  804. 6:55 AM I just think about how she handled skitter
  805. 6:55 AM
  806. <Rhet> Have you met Jack
  807. 6:55 AM <FaustAndAbout> ...because she's a wanted woman.
  808. 6:56 AM Who has a kill order
  809. 6:56 AM
  810. <FirstChoir> Jack made her like that stuff.
  811. 6:56 AM
  812. <Doc_Mod> When you've literally given everyone free reign to kill you.
  813. 6:56 AM You tend to live in not so nice abodes
  814. 6:56 AM
  815. <FirstChoir> Until the end she seemed happy for me to be a party of the nine.
  816. 6:56 AM Just my point of view
  817. 6:56 AM
  818. <•Mishie> til if you're abused until you like it, it's not abuse
  819. 6:56 AM
  820. <Rhet> Yeah that's what Snyder victims look like
  821. 6:56 AM
  822. <elaine> this convo is about bonesaw but i just wanna mention that "they seemed to be reasonably content with their situation therefore they were not wronged" is an argument that's been used to justify a lot of heinous stuff
  823. 6:56 AM
  824. <Rhet> *abuse
  825. 6:56 AM
  826. <•Mishie> elaine: yupe
  827. 6:56 AM <FaustAndAbout> Because she's in too deep to get out
  828. 6:57 AM
  829. <Rhet> What's next, Riley's "friend" at the store wasn't actually a pedophile?
  830. 6:57 AM <FaustAndAbout> Technically...
  831. 6:57 AM But yeah a pedophile
  832. 6:57 AM
  833. <FirstChoir> He was, right?
  834. 6:58 AM
  835. <•Mishie> Well
  836. 6:58 AM
  837. <FirstChoir> I didn't get it the first time i read it because 'Bonesaw interlude'
  838. 6:58 AM
  839. <•Mishie> He never said he was
  840. 6:58 AM So obviously he wasn't
  841. 6:58 AM <FaustAndAbout> It's the vampire dilemma
  842. 6:58 AM
  843. <•Mishie> People wouldn't just lie like that right?
  844. 6:58 AM
  845. <FirstChoir> then other people mentioned it, i re-read it and... damn....
  846. 6:58 AM
  847. <The_J> same here Choir
  848. 6:59 AM it's like re-watching Black Mirror's Shut Up and Dance
  849. 6:59 AM <FaustAndAbout> Well that's like how Skitter sexually abused Grue by not getting consent
  850. 6:59 AM
  851. <Ereus> everyone ihould become vampires
  852. 6:59 AM
  853. <FirstChoir> But at least he didn't do anything bad. I still don't have an opionion about phedohilies. Because it's not like you choose to be one. But you... kind of choose to act upon it. He didn't do anything like that to her. So... I dont know....
  854. 6:59 AM
  855. <•Mishie> And pressing super hard after a hilariously fucked up situation
  856. 6:59 AM
  857. <Ereus> immortal society hwen
  858. 6:59 AM
  859. <FirstChoir> Skitter abused Grue? Care to explain?
  860. 6:59 AM
  861. <•Mishie> Do you uh
  862. 7:00 AM Not remember the scene where after he was brutally tortured by Bonesaw?
  863. 7:00 AM <FaustAndAbout> okay did you just say you don't have an opinion about pedophiles
  864. 7:00 AM Let's back it up
  865. 7:00 AM
  866. <FirstChoir> Nah!
  867. 7:00 AM
  868. <•Mishie> Where Skitter and Grue were in bed together and she pressured him for sex until he said yes?
  869. 7:00 AM
  870. <FirstChoir> I phrased myself wrong
  871. 7:00 AM <FaustAndAbout> Okay
  872. 7:00 AM
  873. <Ereus> i dont actually remember that
  874. 7:00 AM <FaustAndAbout> But yeah, Mishie has the gist
  875. 7:00 AM
  876. <Doc_Mod> I remember Imp watched.
  877. 7:01 AM
  878. <FirstChoir> I rephrase myself: 'If you are born like that it's not your fault but if you abuse kids sexually it's your fucking fault'
  879. 7:01 AM
  880. <Doc_Mod> because she's digusting
  881. 7:01 AM
  882. <•Mishie> don't kinkshame Doc
  883. 7:01 AM <Sidezero> ^
  884. 7:01 AM
  885. <FirstChoir> @faustandabout better now?
  886. 7:01 AM
  887. <waxpapers> nah, I think imp would agree
  888. 7:01 AM
  889. <Ereus> can i kinkshame myself tho 🤔
  890. 7:01 AM <FaustAndAbout> She was the only one who was supporting him so she used that position of power to have sex when he was clearly uncomfortable.
  891. 7:01 AM
  892. <FirstChoir> I never saw it like that
  893. 7:01 AM
  894. <Doc_Mod> can I call imp wrong for using her powers like that?
  895. 7:01 AM
  896. <FirstChoir> but i need to reread that
  897. 7:01 AM
  898. <Doc_Mod> or is that still shaming?
  899. 7:02 AM <FaustAndAbout> And that's why he doesn't talk to Taylor
  900. 7:02 AM
  901. <FirstChoir> I think it is horrible that imp whatched someone having sex
  902. 7:02 AM
  903. <•Mishie> She uh
  904. 7:02 AM
  905. <The_J> it's shaming but it is wrong
  906. 7:02 AM <FaustAndAbout> You can tell in their interactions later
  907. 7:02 AM
  908. <The_J> like
  909. 7:02 AM
  910. <•Mishie> Kinda used him
  911. 7:02 AM <FaustAndAbout> Kinda?
  912. 7:02 AM
  913. <FirstChoir> can you quote that?
  914. 7:02 AM where did she use him?
  915. 7:03 AM
  916. <Rhet> You can't really quote subtext
  917. 7:03 AM
  918. <•Mishie> When she wanted to have sex as a way to feel close to someone?  As a way to feel safe and wanted?
  919. 7:03 AM Which is totally fair and understandable.
  920. 7:03 AM
  921. <Doc_Mod> Mhm
  922. 7:03 AM
  923. <•Mishie> But a bit of a dick move if you keep asking them until they say yes
  924. 7:03 AM Because they're so emotionally broken down
  925. 7:03 AM <FaustAndAbout> The problem isn't sex it's coercion
  926. 7:03 AM
  927. <Doc_Mod> 50 nos and a yes is still a yes.
  928. 7:03 AM <FaustAndAbout> You go to college
  929. 7:04 AM You should know this
  930. 7:04 AM
  931. <The_J> Doc is that a joke or serious
  932. 7:04 AM
  933. <•Mishie> Doc_Mod: yeah, but it's the effect that having those no's be ignored totally that's the fun part
  934. 7:04 AM
  935. <Doc_Mod> It's a joke
  936. 7:04 AM
  937. <The_J> whew
  938. 7:04 AM
  939. <Doc_Mod> I'm quoting a family guy cutaway gag
  940. 7:04 AM
  941. <The_J> ah my bad
  942. 7:04 AM <FaustAndAbout> Title IX
  943. 7:04 AM
  944. <FirstChoir> Here we have both people who were able to faught the S9 and and Endbringer. If you are able to do this.... if you really don't want sex, it shouldn't be so hard to say now.
  945. 7:04 AM <•OverThal> Doc_Mod: that's almost as bad as the other thing
  946. 7:04 AM
  947. <FirstChoir> Both were broken emotionally
  948. 7:05 AM
  949. — •Mishie stares
  950. 7:05 AM
  951. <•Mishie> That's uh
  952. 7:05 AM
  953. <Rhet> There's the victim blaming again
  954. 7:05 AM
  955. <•Mishie> That's a fascinating opinion to have
  956. 7:05 AM
  957. <FirstChoir> There were more reaosns behind them having sex than just lusting for each other.
  958. 7:05 AM I'm biased.
  959. 7:05 AM
  960. <Doc_Mod> This reminds me
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