haniger

----- Tuesday, December 5th -----
vslyke [2:22 PM]
So.... Haniger? :thinking_face:


jackcustcomeback
[2:22 PM]
:tjabjjl:


vslyke [2:23 PM]
I'd do Manaea for Haniger most likely


jackcustcomeback
[2:23 PM]
:no:


[2:23]
haniger for chapman :devonod:



vslyke [2:23 PM]
Would you consider Manaea+?

jackcustcomeback [2:24 PM]
i mean, depends on what the + is but i don't want to trade haniger

[2:24]
if the + is logan shore then no


vslyke [2:24 PM]
How did you know? Lol

[2:24]
Joyce+ Smolinksi?

jackcustcomeback [2:24 PM]
for haniger? :ethan:


vslyke [2:25 PM]
With Manaea! That's 2 positions upgraded for 2018


jackcustcomeback [2:25 PM]
oh lmao i thought you were just offering joyce


vslyke [2:25 PM]
No no no


jackcustcomeback [2:27 PM]
one year of joyce doesn't do that much.


[2:27]
i would do manaea+hicks :thinkingeyes:


vslyke [2:27 PM]
That's a little too rich for me


[2:28]
I might be able to do Cotton plus Hicks


[2:28]
But I'd have to think about it


jackcustcomeback
[2:28 PM]
haniger and thyago vieira :yesplease_doc:


[2:28]
what do i add to haniger for manaea+hicks :thinkinghand:


vslyke [2:34 PM]
Would Sam Carlson be available?


jackcustcomeback [2:35 PM]
would generally prefer not to trade 2017 draft guys


vslyke [2:37 PM]
Is James Pazos available?


jackcustcomeback [2:38 PM]
lol if i trade pazos then i'd probably keep rzepczynski, which is doable but would be hilarious



[2:38]
is haniger/pazos for hicks/manaea an offer? because i could think about that


vslyke [2:38 PM]
It might be! I'm still thinking about it too


jackcustcomeback
[2:38 PM]
:thinkingeyes:


[2:38]
mfw you want pazos but not rzep



jackcustcomeback
[2:56 PM]
how much does hicks make?


[2:56]
i refuse to ever check anyone's sheet


vslyke [2:57 PM]
2.8

[2:57]
Sorry, 2.9

jackcustcomeback
[2:57 PM]
:fuckyou:

[2:58]
alright. if that's an offer you want to make let me know but i'll be thinking about it

vslyke [2:58 PM]
Yeah I'm still mulling

jackcustcomeback [2:58 PM]
:thinkingspinner:

vslyke [2:58 PM]
I think that's the winning offer so far but I want to dig deeper than I can at work

jackcustcomeback [2:59 PM]
:digdug:

[3:00]
fair enough. i'd have to think about it a lot bc you know i care about realism and trading haniger would make me feel gross, + IF it happened i don't want to get yelled at about people not knowing haniger was available so i want to see if anyone wants to offer something stupid for him

[3:00]
and again i still might say no lol

vslyke [3:01 PM]
Yeah same situation here

[3:02]
Tdawk already threatened to kill me :laughing:

jackcustcomeback
[3:02 PM]
:nod:

jackcustcomeback [3:08 PM]
haniger has three more years of control than hicks, not two :ethan:

vslyke [3:08 PM]
Well yeah

[3:08]
But IIRC Manaea has 5 as well

jackcustcomeback
[3:08 PM]
yeah but didn't you say haniger had 2 more than hicks

vslyke [3:09 PM]
I don't think so

jackcustcomeback
[3:10 PM]
jackcustcomeback [8:52 PM]
it's only two years of hicks :eh:


vslyke [8:52 PM]
see, they're equal player rn


[8:53]
but basically you're trading 2 years of Haniger when the M's will likely be out of contention for a prospect

[3:10]
:ethan:

vslyke [3:10 PM]
Oh whoops

[3:10]
I guess I thought Haniger used 1 with the Diamondbacks?

[3:10]
That's my bad

jackcustcomeback [3:10 PM]
i'm not mad at you or anything, i know you weren't trying to lie or anything

[3:11]
it just throws off the value

vslyke [3:11 PM]
Yeah, I gotcha

[3:12]
In light of that, maybe Manaea+Hicks for Haniger & Altavilla?

jackcustcomeback [3:12 PM]
haniger & rzepczynski :thinkingeyes:

vslyke [3:13 PM]
Scrabble would be my third LH reliever

jackcustcomeback [3:14 PM]
pazos is left handed

vslyke [3:14 PM]
And the money is a little :yikes:

[3:14]
Yeah but Pazos should be pitchable against either side

jackcustcomeback
[3:15 PM]
i'm not too worried about switching out pazos for altavilla or something. i would be more convinced by adding something to your side. not necessarily something amazing, just something that makes me feel a little better about 3 years of haniger

vslyke [3:18 PM]
Alcantara?


jackcustcomeback
[3:18 PM]
i don't think i can roster him if i have manaea

vslyke [3:18 PM]
Gossett? He has options IIRC


[3:19]
Santiago Casilla?

jackcustcomeback [3:19 PM]
possibly gossett. he does have options

[3:19]
lol not casilla

vslyke [3:19 PM]
Ryan Dull?


jackcustcomeback
[3:19 PM]
gossett doesn't really make me go "oh yeah that's worth an extra year of haniger" but it at least brings it back in the ballpark of thinking about it

vslyke [3:19 PM]
What's his name that I got from the Giants?

jackcustcomeback
[3:19 PM]
i've got relievers

vslyke [3:19 PM]
Cory Gearrin

[3:20]
Maybe a prospect then?

[3:20]
Also I'm sure Alcantara could go through waivers IRL

jackcustcomeback
[3:21 PM]
well then in theory if i wanted alcantara i would wait for you to waiver him and just claim him lol

[3:21]
he probably will pass through waivers irl but i don't want to trade for a guy i'm going to put on waivers

[3:21]
what kind of prospect would you give up?

vslyke [3:22 PM]
Maybe like a 40 FV?

[3:22]
(And that's instead of Gossett)

jackcustcomeback [3:23 PM]
40 FV by what metric

vslyke [3:23 PM]
:what:

[3:24]
Mine?

jackcustcomeback
[3:24 PM]
i mean like. who is a 40 FV in your opinion

vslyke [3:25 PM]
Leaving work, let me get back to you in a few

jackcustcomeback
[3:26 PM]
:nod:


vslyke [3:48 PM]
TIL I haven't traded Skylar Szynski yet

[3:48]
I thought for sure he was a National

jackcustcomeback [3:49 PM]
:thonk:

vslyke [3:50 PM]
He's a 40

jackcustcomeback [3:50 PM]
yeah i don't want skylar szynski lol

vslyke [3:52 PM]
James Naile?

[3:53]
Enrry Pantjona?

jackcustcomeback
[3:55 PM]
i am an a's fan and i legit have no idea who enrry pantjona is lmfao

[3:55]
i'll still do some thinking but those dudes are not worth an extra year of haniger lol

vslyke [3:55 PM]
I have a lot of 40s

[3:55]
So feel free to ask about some specific names

[3:56]
Wait, maybe I misunderstood, am I still getting Pazos in this hypothetical?

jackcustcomeback [3:57 PM]
yeah i think so

vslyke [3:57 PM]
I was assuming no but I read back and it sounds like yes?

jackcustcomeback [3:57 PM]
oh

vslyke [3:57 PM]
Oh

jackcustcomeback [3:57 PM]
lol

vslyke [3:57 PM]
I was lowballing then

jackcustcomeback [3:57 PM]
yes

[3:57]
did you think you were getting altavilla or nobody

vslyke [3:57 PM]
Altavilla

[3:58]
I misunderstood

jackcustcomeback [3:58 PM]
gotcha

[3:58]
was gossett available for altavilla or only if it was pazos?

vslyke [3:58 PM]
Gossett was very :eh: on Altavilla

jackcustcomeback
[3:59 PM]
:eh:

vslyke [3:59 PM]
For Pazos that's a :+1:

jackcustcomeback
[4:00 PM]
it's a :eh: from me though

vslyke [4:00 PM]
I'd do Gossett and one of the guys I named if Pazos was included

[4:00]
They're all decent prospects

jackcustcomeback [4:01 PM]
i'll :thinking: about it because i'm still iffy on hicks-haniger and i don't know if throwing ok prospects at it makes me feel better or not

vslyke [4:02 PM]
I mean, Manaea is definitely the bigger value than Hicks

jackcustcomeback [4:02 PM]
yeah i get it i just don't want to feel like an idiot when hicks leaves and haniger is still good for 3 more years

vslyke [4:03 PM]
Well you will still have Manaea

[4:03]
It's not a pure rental deal

jackcustcomeback
[4:03 PM]
yes but i think we both think haniger is better than manaea in a vacuum. i think we're on the same page

[4:03]
i understand why i would make the trade or i wouldn't be considering it, i just want to consider it more

vslyke [4:04 PM]
Yeah I know

[4:04]
I think Haniger is likely a little better than Manaea but probably riskier too

jackcustcomeback
[4:05 PM]
manaea is pretty risky. he's thrown a lot of innings but dude has had forearm issues and back issues and has a weird body. he's an injury risk even if it doesn't show too much in his numbers

vslyke [4:09 PM]
Haniger is too, he was beat up a good bit in the minors

[4:09]
And if the ball gets unjuiced, a lot of Haniger's value disappears (edited)

jackcustcomeback [4:10 PM]
so what we're talking right now is:
haniger & pazos
for
hicks, manaea, gossett, and a scrub-ish prospect like skylar szynski or whoever
?

vslyke [4:14 PM]
Yep

jackcustcomeback [4:15 PM]
alright i don't really want to jump on a haniger trade without taking offers from other people but i could quite possibly talk myself into it if you're down

vslyke [4:16 PM]
I'm in much the same situation

[4:16]
Lots of talks on my pitchers, but this is one of the two offers I like the most

jackcustcomeback
[4:16 PM]
:thinkingeyes:


----- Wednesday, December 6th -----
jackcustcomeback [12:36 PM]
you still taking offers on your guys or waiting on me?

vslyke [12:37 PM]
Little bit of both. Actually digging in to some stuff to try to work out my valulations of Hicks and Haniger

jackcustcomeback [12:37 PM]
:math:

vslyke [12:37 PM]
Hicks looks really legit

[12:38]
I hadnt noticed before that his wRC+ against righties was surpressed by a low BABIP

jackcustcomeback
[12:40 PM]
his batted ball profile isn't ideal for babip though.

you do you. i don't need to decide on this ASAP just keep me in the know

vslyke [12:41 PM]
Yeah but his BABIP against righties was like .265 or something

[12:41]
So likely he's a little bit more even than I realized (he overpeformed against lefties)

[12:42]
Of course - right now I have one serious offer on all 3 pitchers that I'm shopping

[12:42]
I think I'm going to take 1 or 2 of those deals, but I'm waiting for at least one offer to be finalized

jackcustcomeback [12:45 PM]
just grabbed a random fangraphs xBABIP calc on google and might have done it wrong but ended up with a .269 xBABIP for hicks against righties

[12:45]
not going to talk shit about hicks because like, obviously i would like to trade for him

[12:45]
but as somebody who is potentially going to trade for him i don't expect him to be as good of a hitter as he was in 2017

vslyke [12:47 PM]
Yeah I think this year was his career year by wRC+

[12:47]
But he would also get more playing time...

[12:47]
Anyway, I'm still mulling all my offers

[12:47]
Shouls know more soon

jackcustcomeback
[12:47 PM]
fair. is the jharel cotton offer from dylan still a thing? i thought it was way too much for cotton

vslyke [12:53 PM]
Awww come on, who keeps leaking?

jackcustcomeback
[12:53 PM]
:thinking:

vslyke [1:23 PM]
TIL Haniger is white

jackcustcomeback
[1:24 PM]
:tjabjjl:

[1:25]
does that make you more or less likely to trade for him


vslyke [1:51 PM]
I think I've swung all the way around on this deal like 3 times

jackcustcomeback [2:19 PM]
:thinking_face:

vslyke [5:19 PM]
Just spit balling, would you accept a prospect centric offer for Haniger?

jackcustcomeback [5:20 PM]
almost certainly not

vslyke [5:20 PM]
Ok. Just thinking through my options

[5:20]
Was thinking I could trade a pitcher and flip them to you but I totally get that

[5:21]
Flip the prospects*

jackcustcomeback [5:21 PM]
no worries. i don't really want to move haniger too much so getting a short term replacement for him and helping the rotation with the current deal is mostly what i'd be interested in

vslyke [5:22 PM]
Yeah that's what I figured

[5:22]
Still mulling

jackcustcomeback
[5:23 PM]
:infinitethinking:

vslyke [5:28 PM]
me IRL

jackcustcomeback
[5:29 PM]
:thinkingspinner:

vslyke [5:30 PM]
also me IRL

jackcustcomeback
[5:36 PM]
:holithink:

vslyke [5:37 PM]
missing the beard

jackcustcomeback
[5:37 PM]
pls it's there

vslyke [5:37 PM]
:eh:

jackcustcomeback
[5:38 PM]
:thinkinghand:

vslyke [6:26 PM]
So I'm cooling on Pazos

[6:26]
And I don't think I like Altavilla much either

jackcustcomeback [6:27 PM]
r z e p c z y n s k i

[6:27]
:aw_yeah:

vslyke [6:27 PM]
what does a Haniger deal without those 2 or Scrabble look like?

jackcustcomeback
[6:29 PM]
reading back i proposed haniger for manaea+hicks and you wanted to add to my side but also we thought haniger had 4 years of control and then learned he has 5 so that might just even out

vslyke [6:30 PM]
:eh:

jackcustcomeback
[6:30 PM]
:devonod:

vslyke [6:31 PM]
I'll keep mulling

jackcustcomeback
[6:32 PM]
:mulling:

[6:32]
if you want to switch pazos with somebody better we can try configurations like that

vslyke [6:47 PM]
Would Diaz be available?

jackcustcomeback [6:48 PM]
not unless this trade gets stupid big

[6:48]
or like, if you want to swap out haniger :goodthinking:


vslyke [6:48 PM]
I'm guessing that's a no

[6:48]
but what does stupid big mean?

jackcustcomeback [6:49 PM]
idk honestly but he's my closer so i'd only really be interested in trading him if you said like "oh by the way olson is available" or something.

[6:50]
and obviously i would have to add to diaz to get olson and etc. etc.

[6:50]
and i'm probably not too interested in going down that whole road

vslyke [6:50 PM]
yeah, no

[6:50]
I like Diaz as a setup man, but that's probably it

[6:50]
Neidert?

jackcustcomeback [6:51 PM]
lol you've asked about neidert twice. i've still already traded him

vslyke [6:51 PM]
:f:

[6:51]
I like him!

jackcustcomeback
[6:51 PM]
ask @Ruairi (Reds GM) about him! :stuck_out_tongue:

vslyke [6:53 PM]
Sam Carlson?

jackcustcomeback
[6:53 PM]
lol i'm pretty sure you asked for neidert, i said i'd already traded him, you said carlson i said i'd prefer not to trade 2017 draft guys, and then you asked for pazos


[6:54]
the mariners did just trade david banuelos. he was a 5th rounder but i he's ranked higher than guys they took before him

vslyke [6:55 PM]
I'll pass

jackcustcomeback [6:55 PM]
:thinking:

vslyke [6:57 PM]
I mean, I'd want a prospect

jackcustcomeback [6:57 PM]
this is instead of pazos, yes?

vslyke [6:58 PM]
but I don't think any of them are worth much if you won't trade the 17 draft picks

jackcustcomeback [6:59 PM]
christopher torres?

vslyke [7:01 PM]
he strikes out so much

jackcustcomeback [7:05 PM]
Jackcustcomeback isaDeinonychusAMA
this is instead of pazos, yes?
Direct messageDec 6th at 6:57 PM

vslyke [7:06 PM]
it would be

jackcustcomeback [7:06 PM]
k

vslyke [7:07 PM]
but your prospects outside of Lewis & the 2017 picks are :yikes:

jackcustcomeback [7:07 PM]
i could maybe trade a 2017 pick.  if we need middle ground between banuelos and carlson and they were both drafte in the same draft so i can think of an easy way to figure it out :thinking_face:

[7:07]
seth elledge?

vslyke [7:08 PM]
an A ball reliever :yikes:

jackcustcomeback
[7:08 PM]
he was drafted before banuelos!

[7:09]
also he's an A ball reliever because he was drafted in 2017 lol

vslyke [7:09 PM]
I can't imagine wanting a reliever who hasn't made it out of A ball

[7:09]
:laughing:

jackcustcomeback
[7:09 PM]
:ethan:

[7:10]
well have i got great news

[7:10]
the mariners 2017 third rounder is also a reliever

vslyke [7:10 PM]
:ethan:

jackcustcomeback
[7:11 PM]
is there not a reliever in between pazos and diaz you'd want?

[7:11]
also pazos is tight. he throws like 100 as a lefty!

vslyke [7:12 PM]
he also is basically a LOOGY

[7:12]
a good one, but I have 2 lefty relievers already

jackcustcomeback
[7:13 PM]
you could extend david phelps :goodthinking:

vslyke [7:13 PM]
:no:

[7:13]
and no, probably not

[7:13]
Pazos is my second favorite reliever you have

[7:14]
and Diaz is my favorite

jackcustcomeback [7:14 PM]
wait you don't want pazos because of robbie ross? :ethan:

[7:14]
robbie ross is bad

vslyke [7:14 PM]
Ross is good!

jackcustcomeback
[7:14 PM]
he missed like the entire season :ethan:

vslyke [7:15 PM]
well yeah but he was worth almost a win the year before

[7:15]
he should be fine now

[7:15]
what about the same deal we talked about with Pazos but with Diaz?

jackcustcomeback
[7:15 PM]
:ethan:

[7:16]
i just said i didn't want to do that :ethan:

vslyke [7:16 PM]
well with Gossett and Skylar S

jackcustcomeback [7:16 PM]
i do not care enough about gossett to trade diaz for him lol

vslyke [7:16 PM]
Gossett is good!

jackcustcomeback [7:16 PM]
if you want to just take gossett out and replace szynski with somebody slightly better and keep pazos in it we can

vslyke [7:18 PM]
define slightly better

jackcustcomeback [7:19 PM]
so your two dudes + somebody vaguely similar to szynski for haniger and pazos is something you would do? and in theory we just have to find the guy vaguely similar to szynski?

vslyke [7:19 PM]
its back in the range of something I would mull

jackcustcomeback [7:20 PM]
:mulling:

vslyke [7:26 PM]
so what are you thinking?

jackcustcomeback [7:26 PM]
i thought you were mulling

[7:26]
if you would do your 2 + somebody not very good for my 2 i'm happy to look for a not very good guy

vslyke [7:27 PM]
well it depends a lot on who you pick

jackcustcomeback
[7:27 PM]
i mean let's just say it was skylar szynski

[7:27]
it looks like he missed the entire 2017 season with a mysterious injury and is not listed on roster resource so probably not actually him

[7:27]
but let's imagine it's him, is that a trade you do?

vslyke [7:28 PM]
:thonkeykong:

jackcustcomeback
[7:29 PM]
:liethinksteal:

vslyke [7:29 PM]
a not-full TJ is what he had apparently: http://oaklandclubhouse.com/injury-clarification-skylar-szynski/
OaklandClubhouse
Injury clarification: Skylar Szynski
We have received clarification on the injury and surgery for Oakland Athletics prospect Skylar Szynski.
Sep 14th at 12:08 PM



jackcustcomeback
[7:30 PM]
probably going to stay away from a season long injury that had to be clarified in some way

vslyke [7:30 PM]
it basically was misreported as full TJ

[7:30]
this was more a maintenance thing to that part of the elbow

jackcustcomeback [7:30 PM]
earlier you said szynski or james naile or some other dude i don't remember

[7:30]
let's just pretend we're talking about james naile instead of szynski

vslyke [7:31 PM]
Enrry Pantjona

jackcustcomeback
[7:32 PM]
that dude does not exist lol

vslyke [7:32 PM]
he does too!

jackcustcomeback
[7:32 PM]
:ethan:

vslyke [7:32 PM]
Enry*

[7:33]
Pantoja*

[7:33]
wow I suck at typing

jackcustcomeback
[7:33 PM]
:tjabjjl:

vslyke [7:33 PM]
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=673602#/career/R/hitting/2017/ALL
MiLB.com
Enrry Pantoja Stats, Highlights, Bio | MiLB.com Stats | The Official Site of Minor League Baseball
The latest Enrry Pantoja Stats, Video Highlights, News and more from MiLB.com.


[7:34]
ok, so Enrry was correct

jackcustcomeback [7:34 PM]
:ethan:

[7:34]
so would you do your 2 dudes + szynski/naile/pantoja for my 2 dudes

vslyke [7:35 PM]
:thonkeykong:

jackcustcomeback
[7:35 PM]
:ethan:

vslyke [7:43 PM]
I'm still mulling

[7:43]
and I hate to say this

[7:43]
but my gut feeling is no

jackcustcomeback
[7:43 PM]
:ethan:

vslyke [7:44 PM]
what sort of prospect would I have to throw in to make my end Manaea/Joyce/prospect?

jackcustcomeback
[7:45 PM]
barreto


[7:45]
don't :tjabjjl: me :ethan:

vslyke [7:46 PM]
dropping Pazos, I should specify

jackcustcomeback [7:46 PM]
oh

[7:46]
i mean still somebody good

[7:46]
pazos only means so much to me

[7:46]
i wouldn't trade haniger for manaea and i don't care that much about joyce

vslyke [7:47 PM]
I thought you really liked him?

[7:47]
and he would fit your RF spot well (edited)

jackcustcomeback [7:47 PM]
i like him but it's one year of him, he's a platoon guy, and hicks is 100x better

vslyke [7:47 PM]
I could throw in Smolinski

jackcustcomeback [7:47 PM]
lol i 100% do not care about smolinski

[7:48]
it's not a big deal if you don't want to make that trade

vslyke [7:48 PM]
he destroys lefties

[7:48]
so together they fit really well

jackcustcomeback [7:48 PM]
he's ok and missed pretty much the entire year with a shoulder injury

vslyke [7:49 PM]
:ok_hand:

[7:50]
you weren't interested in Cotton, right?

jackcustcomeback
[7:50 PM]
not very at the asking price

vslyke [7:50 PM]
cause I would do Hicks + Cotton for Haniger

jackcustcomeback
[7:51 PM]
lol the difference between cotton and manaea is giant

vslyke [7:51 PM]
eh

[7:51]
not really

jackcustcomeback [7:51 PM]
it absolutely is

vslyke [7:52 PM]
I don't see it that way, but ok

jackcustcomeback [7:52 PM]
if the original trade doesn't happen that's fine but i'm probably not really interested in anything else

[7:52]
don't remember what your asking price on roark was

vslyke [7:53 PM]
I think Manaea + Hicks for Haniger is close

[7:53]
but I don't see anything that we are going to agree on as the piece to rebalance it

[7:53]
Diaz is probably the guy for me, and you seem hard up against that

jackcustcomeback
[7:53 PM]
i mean diaz is my closer and i'm trying to contend

vslyke [7:54 PM]
I'd do Roark and Hicks (+ a lower-tier prospect) for Haniger

jackcustcomeback
[7:54 PM]
you were willing to do your guys + gossett + shitty rando who doesn't matter if i did haniger + carlson right?

vslyke [7:54 PM]
you can't compete with the prospect offer I have on Roark

jackcustcomeback
[7:54 PM]
ok

vslyke [7:55 PM]
not Gossett

[7:55]
and maybe not even without him

[7:55]
I was trying to see what decent prospects you had to deal

[7:59]
I would thrown in a decent-ish prospect for Diaz

jackcustcomeback [7:59 PM]
i am really not gonna trade my closer lol

vslyke [7:59 PM]
or I would throw in Gossett for Diaz

[7:59]
and I would throw in Santiago Casilla!

jackcustcomeback
[8:00 PM]
:ethan:

vslyke [8:00 PM]
he's a legit asset!

jackcustcomeback
[8:00 PM]
:no:

vslyke [8:00 PM]
I'd eat a couple million

jackcustcomeback
[8:01 PM]
i'm not trading diaz for casilla :ethan:

vslyke [8:01 PM]
well its not for him

[8:02]
its just part of the return

[8:02]
you're trading him to get Manaea/Hicks

jackcustcomeback
[8:02 PM]
i'm not trading diaz

vslyke [8:03 PM]
that's too bad

jackcustcomeback
[8:05 PM]
:nod:

vslyke [8:06 PM]
we are so close! if only you had literally anything in your farm

jackcustcomeback
[8:07 PM]
the trade would work just fine if you launched robbie ross into space

vslyke [8:07 PM]
5 years of a LOOGY still isn't worth that much

vslyke [9:37 PM]
Its actually a similar deal to what we were working on

[9:37]
Worse OFer but its just Hicks and a lesser prospect

jackcustcomeback
[9:37 PM]
why not just have hicks :ethan:

[9:37]
you traded for him :ethan:

vslyke [9:37 PM]
More years of control

[9:37]
Better fit for my roster

jackcustcomeback
[9:37 PM]
:ethan:

vslyke [9:37 PM]
tiger basically threw Hicks in :laughing:

jackcustcomeback
[9:38 PM]
:ethan:

vslyke [9:43 PM]
anyway, I like Haniger more, but I still am having a hard time solving the gap

jackcustcomeback
[9:44 PM]
i mean i don't really know where the gap is. it just seems like you soured on most of the trade, which isn't a big deal

vslyke [9:45 PM]
well, I realized Pazos wasn't as good as I thought

[9:45]
and then I couldn't find the bridge there

[9:46]
my opinion of Haniger hasn't changed

jackcustcomeback
[9:46 PM]
i mean, i think carlson is absolutely more valuable than pazos but you didn't really seem to want to do carlson even if you took out gossett

vslyke [9:56 PM]
I don't think you ever offered him

[9:56]
I threw him out and never got a bite

[9:58]
would you do that?

jackcustcomeback
[10:00 PM]
probably not

[10:00]
jackcustcomeback [7:54 PM]
you were willing to do your guys + gossett + shitty rando who doesn't matter if i did haniger + carlson right?

vslyke [7:55 PM]
not Gossett


[7:55]
and maybe not even without him

[10:00]
i'm just saying it seems like you were having second thoughts about multiple aspects

vslyke [10:01 PM]
I just said maybe! I hadn't looked into the dude because I didn't think he was available

[10:03]
FWIW, I'd probably do it for him if Gossett wasn't included

jackcustcomeback [10:03 PM]
i still think carlson > pazos so i would need more from you not less, so it's kind of moot.

vslyke [10:05 PM]
I agree with that, but I think I need more than Pazos. So...

jackcustcomeback [10:05 PM]
that's fine lol

[10:05]
we do not have to trade


vslyke [10:05 PM]
I'm aware


----- Thursday, December 7th -----
vslyke [12:52 PM]
Any change in stance?

jackcustcomeback [12:55 PM]
well i still don't really know what trade you would do other than edwin diaz, which i would not do


[12:55]
so probably not


vslyke [12:57 PM]
I would probably do Carlson and Haniger for Manaea and Hicks

[12:57]
And Szyn whatever

jackcustcomeback [1:02 PM]
it's just pretty hard to go from me giving up pazos and getting gossett to giving up a much better player AND getting less

[1:03]
if you're interested in joe rizzo i could probably do him without getting gossett

vslyke [1:03 PM]
I mean that's fair, but I only considered because I didn't know a whole ton about him

[1:03]
Once I found out more I realized it wasn't going to work

[1:04]
Not a big fan of Rizzo, I don't see a whole lot of hope on him

jackcustcomeback
[1:13 PM]
i don't think it's out of the question for pazos to be able to pitch to righties. he didn't really have bad splits in the minors

[1:13]
if you're interested in pagan i can think about that

vslyke [1:18 PM]
I like Pagan, but I don't think I like him that much unfortunately

[1:21]
Do he and Pazos both have options? I would consider a deal where I got both of them and Haniger

[1:21]
Pagan sounds like he does at least

jackcustcomeback [1:22 PM]
i can't really do both of them. if you wanted pazos and zych/altavilla/vieira maybe

vslyke [1:23 PM]
I think I'll pass then

[1:23]
I'm sure at least one of the starters I have will end up as a reliever, so I don't need that many bullpen arms unless they are clear standouts

jackcustcomeback
[1:31 PM]
i don't really want to flip a guy i traded for but do you want wandy peralta? he's about as good as pazos but without the splits. he's an xWOBA all star

vslyke [1:34 PM]
Probably not. I'm getting a guy that is like 2/3 rds of the player that Haniger is for without giving up Manaea, so it would take a fair amount to get me to move on Haniger

[1:34]
I like Carlson a lot, I like Diaz a lot, I'm not sure how many other options I would consider

jackcustcomeback [1:36 PM]
so even if pazos could pitch to righties you wouldn't want to do that?

vslyke [1:37 PM]
I mean, if he could pitch to righties like lefties I couldn't afford to trade for him

jackcustcomeback [1:41 PM]
i'm just saying it's not clear exactly what the gap is. because on one hand the only thing keeping you from wanting pazos is like, one run on his xFIP against righties but nothing else seems to be in the ballpark

vslyke [1:53 PM]
Again, its not that I don't like him, I just think he isn't enough to fill the gap between what you are asking for and what I want

[1:53]
And I can't take decent relievers until it works because I don't have space for them

vslyke [2:46 PM]
Also, congrats on trading Neidert for a CF in a more conventional way than :dipoto:

jackcustcomeback [2:46 PM]
:dipoto:

vslyke [2:47 PM]
Maybe now I can remember you don't have Neidert :smile:

jackcustcomeback [2:47 PM]
:goodthinking:

jackcustcomeback
[3:13 PM]
i'm going to be either driving or on mobile most of the night. if you rethink pazos or something else let me know, otherwise i probably won't stop you from whatever you wanted to get done

[3:14]
still interested in roark as a totally unrelated trade

vslyke [3:15 PM]
Well I have a Roark deal revolving around a Top 100

[3:16]
So we wouldbe talking about the same stuff

jackcustcomeback
[3:17 PM]
i mean i do not have those so what would you want from me

vslyke [4:54 PM]
Probably Diaz

vslyke [6:03 PM]
Any interest?

jackcustcomeback [6:51 PM]
no lol

vslyke [6:52 PM]
Sorry man


[6:53]
The Mariners are in a tough spot, lots of guys that are too valuable, lots aren't valuable enough for this, and none in between

jackcustcomeback
[6:54 PM]
it's aight



----- Saturday, December 9th -----
vslyke [2:27 PM]
So after all that, I don't even know if I could have dealt you Hicks :face_with_rolling_eyes:

jackcustcomeback
[2:28 PM]
i would definitely have argued you could have

[2:28]
if you'd still like to i will argue it :kissing_heart:


vslyke [2:28 PM]
:modz:

[2:29]
Is there a way to a Haniger deal that includes Joyce and Manaea? I know I'd have to give up something else

jackcustcomeback
[2:30 PM]
if something else is barreto maybe



vslyke [2:31 PM]
The difference between Hicks and Joyce is not as big as my top prospect


jackcustcomeback
[2:31 PM]
i think joyce is very good but not a guy with very much trade value

vslyke [2:33 PM]
I'll throw in the 3M or whatever else he is owed on top

jackcustcomeback
[2:34 PM]
i don't really care about the 3m. hicks is just a lot better than joyce and has more team control

vslyke [2:34 PM]
They produced about the same

[2:34]
Your point about the year of control is certainly fair tho

jackcustcomeback [2:35 PM]
if they're about the same u should be pumped to trade hicks :stuck_out_tongue:

vslyke [2:35 PM]
They produced about the same

[2:36]
Obviously there's a difference which is why I would be willing to chip in some other stuff

jackcustcomeback
[2:37 PM]
i'm not that interested in just adding more stuff. i'm not really looking for prospects that much and i don't have other holes on my team

vslyke [2:37 PM]
What if I offered Mengden, Manaea, and Joyce?

jackcustcomeback
[2:38 PM]
maybe if i'm only giving up haniger but i'd have to think even then


vslyke [2:39 PM]
Yeah let me know

jackcustcomeback
[2:40 PM]
fwiw i'm probably leaning against it but will at least give myself a chance to talk myself into it



jackcustcomeback [3:48 PM]
yeah i'm probably just not really into anything involving joyce instead of hicks. if you want to rethink hicks at all i'm game


vslyke [3:52 PM]
I'd also switch Hahn for Mengden if that did anything for you


jackcustcomeback [3:54 PM]
that does less for me :stuck_out_tongue:


vslyke [3:54 PM]
Fair enough


[3:54]
I'd consider including Mendgen and Gossett but I'd probably want a small prospect


jackcustcomeback
[3:55 PM]
i don't really want to do a joyce trade very much


vslyke [3:56 PM]
Ok


[3:56]
Well I have a better offer for Hicks


[3:57]
But I don't know if that will go through given last night


jackcustcomeback
[3:57 PM]
:nod:


vslyke [3:58 PM]
I think it's way different but how knows what the :modz: will think


jackcustcomeback [4:01 PM]
:thinkinghand: