The Eviction Economy

11:19:51	 From Kaeleigh  D : No problem!
11:19:55	 From Zak Stevenson : When I missed a class I watched the recording.
11:20:04	 From LillyAnne Beatty : It reminded me a lot of how when people owned slaves, the slave would often be in debt in terms of food, clothes, and shelter, so they worked to pay it off. But after about a year, they were in more debt because of the added costs. in the end, they owed more and had gotten nothing in return.
11:20:22	 From Blake Chen : That's true - I think that applies more to sharecroppers, not slaves.
11:20:38	 From LillyAnne Beatty : ^^i was just typing that correction!! Thanks blake
11:20:47	 From Blake Chen : No problem:)
11:22:46	 From Zak Stevenson : Collection agencies are rather harsh.
11:23:11	 From Blake Chen : That's awful
11:25:34	 From Katie : I felt like the unsaid naysayer might’ve been those who didn’t know this was an issue.
11:25:47	 From Aliah Haigh : True
11:26:11	 From Blake Chen : I felt that he didn't directly plant naysayers, but he did so implicitly, countering arguments that might spring up, such as when he said, "This solution is not as expensive as we might think." The "might think" refers to the anonymous naysayer who might hold an opposite position.
11:26:28	 From Zak Stevenson : I think it adds more depth to his argument.
11:27:00	 From Blake Chen : Desmond also uses "common thoughts" that people hold about poverty as a "they say."
11:31:51	 From Blake Chen : I think that the people that Desmond is talking about in this case are in a situation where "it is expensive to be poor." Desmond shows how society takes advantage of the poor in many ways, such as making groceries expensive, taking advantage of bad transportation, etc. However, other books that I have read have shown that not all people who are poor are taken advantage of. Instead, some take advantage of the welfare system.
11:32:53	 From Bradey Shirley : Sorry, my internet dropped, but I'm back
11:36:09	 From Blake Chen : I don't think UNIVERSAL housing vouchers sound good - I think that vouchers should be given to certain people (i.e. the poor) who cannot afford housing. Economically speaking, rent control and housing regulations aren't feasible, but actually vouchers do work in economic terms, without setting artificial price levels. However, that is just the short term solution - we need to use other solutions - such as the encouragement of hard work and the preservation of the family unit - to solve these problems in the long term.
11:36:13	 From Zak Stevenson : My parents told me what happened while they were landlords and it was hard work for them. It might not have helped that the tenants broke things and didn't follow the rental agreement.
11:36:49	 From Blake Chen : Also, as Kaeleigh said, it would be hard to legislate on this issue, because it's hard to find who is eligible for these vouchers, what standards have to be in place, how much more red tape this would create, etc.
11:38:14	 From Zak Stevenson : I think the laws of economics would begin to take over.
11:38:18	 From Zak Stevenson : In the long run
11:38:30	 From Blake Chen : yes Zak - I saw you took econ with Mr. Burns
11:38:36	 From Blake Chen : I'm taking it now!
11:39:25	 From LillyAnne Beatty : I'm not super familiar with the idea of housing voucher programs, but I would think it might be good in some ways in terms of providing a kind of incentive for those needing housing to be able to being working after they have a roof over their heads
11:39:35	 From Blake Chen : Can you explain what part one means?
11:40:03	 From Blake Chen : of the question?
11:40:08	 From Blake Chen : yes
11:40:48	 From Blake Chen : ok thanks
11:42:35	 From Blake Chen : Again, economically speaking, redistributing wealth will not solve poverty, because it discourages productivity of those in the upper classes, which actually generate the majority of wealth (and taxes) in the US economy.
11:42:59	 From Zak Stevenson : It can discourage working.
11:43:26	 From Blake Chen : I don't think that statement 2 is correct, because much of our national debt and our tax money is due to welfare programs such as social security, medicare, food stamps, etc.
11:43:52	 From Katie : Yes Blake exactly. I don’t think that statement was accurate either.
11:44:00	 From Blake Chen : Ok, I understand
11:44:17	 From Blake Chen : I see, I can see how that could be true in terms of housing
11:44:17	 From Zak Stevenson : I thought his argument was well-structured and I was able to see his point although he failed to persuade me.
11:44:41	 From LillyAnne Beatty : I agree with Zak- I think that taking away things that people have earned in order to help those who haven't earned it would completely de-incentivize getting out of poverty. Rather, it would actually make some people want to stay at a level where their food, shelter, and support is being provided to them without having to work. It reminds me of the prisons in some foreign countries that are nicer than some apartments, complete with televisions and kitchenettes. People have started committing minor crimes in order to be put into prison because it's better than their living situation
11:45:11	 From Blake Chen : I agree LillyAnne!
11:45:42	 From LillyAnne Beatty : If yall are interested- google Sweedish Prisons!!!
11:45:44	 From Zak Stevenson : I saw an article once that it costs the state of California an average of $71,000 per year for a single prisoner.
11:45:46	 From Kaeleigh  D : Removing tax breaks might make the landowners lash out against the tenants.
11:45:48	 From LillyAnne Beatty : They look like college dorm rooms
11:45:53	 From Blake Chen : wow!
11:46:22	 From Zak Stevenson : My parents got tax breaks because they made a loss.
11:46:37	 From Zak Stevenson : If they made a profit they would have been taxed.
11:46:39	 From Katie : LillyAnne reminds me of evidence for a debate res ;P
11:48:03	 From Zak Stevenson : I'm not looking forward to getting student loans.
11:48:26	 From LillyAnne Beatty : haha you're not wrong katie xD. reminds me of the 2017-18 season TP resolution...
11:48:32	 From Bradey Shirley : No ma'am
11:48:34	 From Sarah Grace : Thank you!
11:48:37	 From Mary Seida : Thank you for class!
11:48:38	 From Katie : No :) thank you for class!
11:48:38	 From Kaeleigh  D : Thank you for class!
11:48:39	 From Blake Chen : Thanks Ms. Walker!
11:48:41	 From LillyAnne Beatty : Thanks so much!!
11:48:42	 From Bradey Shirley : Thank you!!! Byyyyyyye
11:48:42	 From Anne Seida : Thanks you