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  1. These are the two emails, I regretted forwarding them since I thought maybe forwarding doesn't bypass the length issue? I thought it might but then I realized it maybe doesn't help or work that way! I thought if the text area is empty maybe it would be like a small email? Probably not, so here is the pastebin version for the first time! I've never used it before!
  2.  
  3. Someone said:
  4. Hi,
  5. I wanted to confirm if this email is correct?
  6. Hope you are well.
  7. -TheWisdomWithin
  8.  
  9. I said:
  10. Yes, it is correct! Thank you so much for taking the time to send out a message! I appreciate it a lot! Feel free to discuss anything, any time, here!
  11.  
  12. They said:
  13. Hi Artis,
  14.  
  15. Thank you lots for the polite manner in which you address me. Firstly, tell me about yourself a bit.
  16.  
  17. Me: I am aged 30, recently graduate as a Robotics Engineer, love philosophy, reading. I am also somewhat interested in politics. I think the very reason we exchanged pleasantries was my passion to the Right to die movement and an endless battle to get the State to comply with not prosecuting individuals who made this wish. I am aware of all the problems Suicide Prevention Groups face; lots of teenagers, for instance, with a loose view of suicide and self-harm; doing things half-heatedly and not thinking it through. This is really tragic and I take my hat off to those campaigns for their work in the bewildered. My beef has been more with targeting these very same groups in a different light; people who have made a rational decision for self-deliverance and get prosecuted for that very action. That to me is, abhorrent and truly scary. It makes you ask what power we really have over our lives, when the very Government, who should be enlisted to enrich us, jettison every decision to die as 'mental illness'...
  18.  
  19. I am aware there is a very long road to walk, as there are lots of knee-jerk reactions when ever bringing up suicide to any discussion. I am glad I have met you at least, willing to discuss this in an open manner.
  20.  
  21. Firstly, tell me about who you are. How did you get to MrCaringGuy's channel? I think we have a lot in common getting to that place in the web; life is tough. His channel shows a lot of people who had potential, but who life failed. Maybe we could, for instance aid them into living further; maybe we weren't able to.
  22.  
  23. It is still sad that amongst all those faces of people, I see a beckoning for a better world that will never arise.
  24.  
  25. Kindest regards,
  26. Vick
  27.  
  28. I said:
  29. Hello! If you can be patient with me and tolerate it, I will be extremely real and frank about myself, as I enjoy people getting to know me regardless of politically correct type reactions or expectations. I analyze and investigate my thoughts and motivations very carefully, as well as the thoughts and motivations of others.
  30.  
  31. I am a cheerful person and often highly mystical due to my belief system or central model of things, and I am a religious person with a religious outlook and mentality, but one that might not be too typically encountered.
  32.  
  33. I found MrCaringGuy based on looking for suicide videos, especially youth suicide videos, like 20 year olds and people like that, and my reasons are not that I feel really bad about them too much, but because the news of such interests me, stimulates my thinking, and relaxes me as well. The content provided by MrCaringGuy for me is some of the most satisfying content I have ever experienced, especially when it is in the format of information provided in brief but thorough enough excerpts along with the image so that it quickly provides a complete story which also has a close and is done. I usually watch the videos on mute. I then get vasts amount of extra enjoyment by writing my comments and engaging with some people on there as well as learning more about them and their thoughts and ideas which I may also sometimes reason out, get them to flesh out more, or debate and justify. I like to see if anything can be moved towards people improving their thoughts and conditions in such a way as they don't want to die which I find provides the most risk and least potential and value to be extracted with certainty. Even though I take such a stance, I harbor some mild eugenic inclinations, and take the position of opposing things like abortion and suicide, while also thinking that they are pretty much positive things due to how they eliminate "problems" even from the human gene pool. I even support the people who don't want children, but also understand that if such were to happen it would be the end of humanity on Earth and the end of humans as a resource and source of service and assistance. Or if you want edgier and more unsavory language, who would provide me with these luxuries which rely on the difficult, arbitrary seeming, and fruitless labors of a depressed and needy class that I extensively profit from and derive a sense of prosperity from their misfortunes or historic plight. Where I sit on the pyramid, my temporary existence is made more comfortable by far due to the janitors, the low class laborers, and all these efforts in making so much excess in comforts and amenities.
  34.  
  35. Anyway, when they do manage to eliminate themselves, I feel what is being eliminated in many cases is maybe a genetic tendency towards certain chemical balances or depression and violence towards oneself or even others, and a great deal of troubles for a possible future person carrying their genes. I can not trust if ease in ability to kill oneself, like if they made a machine, might not lead to innumerable irreversible errors and decisions which are regretted, as well as people tricked or drugged or hypnotized in some ways to do it, so for my own safety, I never want that option to even exist, and prefer that suicide is difficult, stigmatized, and very hard to go through with, since I don't trust the virtue of brains or rationalizations or the mind's reasoning abilities whatsoever, I think humans are the slaves to chemical and neuro-electrical signals they can scarcely control and hormones they barely will ever be able to control or understand which they blindly and foolishly follow and obey and are wholly deceived and convinced by.
  36.  
  37. I think that certain people are given the right combination of things externally and especially internally which makes them eager for death and finding it difficult to extract much out of life, though death is expected to give far less than life, as it disables their ability to function, and move their bodies, and since there is not known to be any further perception or reception of information, they can't even experience it, its skipped as only experience can be experienced, so only information can ever be perceived, and what it skips to is wholly unknown, so the risk is tremendous, and thus I believe the only option for the sensible and risk averse is to cling to life and cognition and whatever use of the body we may retain in most cases.
  38.  
  39. Let me show you two totally different off topic things though that I wrote just recently:
  40.  
  41. "So just out of interest, which of the Gods of Howard's Conan Universe (and feel free to throw in Lovecraft's as well since they were peers and throw in Game of Thrones while you're at it and Warhammer too why don't cha!) would you think is "real" or actually worship or follow and believe in? The Gods seem to be inspired by "real life" Gods as well as "real" aspects of life. Even Lovecraft's Gods seem analogous to some real deities and conceptsm, some of which are taken quite seriously today. In the films, it seems a variant if Dagon might have taken on the name Dagoth, similar to how Biblical deity names of "enemy gods" would take on "oth" like Ashtaroth for example.
  42.  
  43. Ajujo of the Black Kingdoms - Combat, Luck, Plague Male
  44.  
  45. Anu of Ophir - Fertility, Strength Male
  46.  
  47. Ashtoreth of Shem - Fertility, Protection Female
  48.  
  49. Asura of Vendhya, Iranistan - Healing, Illusion, Knowledge, Serpents Male
  50.  
  51. Bel of Zamora, Shem - Chaos, Death, Trickery
  52.  
  53. The Masked God Bori of Hyperborea - Strength, War Male
  54.  
  55. Crom of Cimmeria The Grim and Grey God
  56.  
  57. Dagon or Dagoth of Shem, Black Kingdoms -Protection, Water, Weather Male
  58.  
  59. Damballah of Zembabwei, Black Kingdoms - Death, Evil, Serpents Male
  60.  
  61. Set of Stygia
  62.  
  63. Derketo of Stygia, Shem, Black Kingdoms - Healing, Seduction Female
  64. Derketa of the Black Kingdoms
  65.  
  66. Erlik of Turan, Hyrkania - Death, Knowledge, Prophecy Male
  67.  
  68. The God of the Yellow Hand of Death and the Golden Peacock of Shem - Blood, Trickery
  69.  
  70. Gwahlur of Keshan - Darkness, Prophecy Male The King of Darkness
  71.  
  72. Hanuman of Zamboula, Vendhya - Beast, Illusion, Knowledge Male
  73. Lord of the Black Throne
  74.  
  75. Harakht, Hawk - God of Stygia - Animal, Knowledge, War Male
  76.  
  77. Ibis of Stygia, Nemedia - Knowledge, Magic, Protection Male
  78.  
  79. Ishtar of Shem, Koth, Khauran, Khoraja - Earth, Healing, Fertility, Seduction Female
  80. Earth-Mother
  81.  
  82. Shub-Niggurath
  83.  
  84. Jhebbal Sag of Pictland, Black Kingdoms - Beast, Chaos, Strength Male Lord of Beasts
  85.  
  86. Jhil Ghanata of Darfar, Picts - Air, Law, Strength Male
  87.  
  88. Jullah of Black Kingdoms, Picts - Beast, Strength Male
  89. Gullah of Pictland
  90.  
  91. Kali of Vendhya, Ghulistan - Death, Fertility, Healing, War Female
  92. The Black Mother
  93.  
  94. Mitra of Western Kingdoms - Good, Healing, Protection, Sun Male
  95.  
  96. Nebethet of Punt - Death, Luck, Prophecy Female
  97. The Ivory Goddess
  98.  
  99. Nergal of Shem - Destruction, Plague, War Male
  100.  
  101. Pteor of Shem - Air, Fertility, Strength Male
  102.  
  103. Adonis
  104.  
  105. Set of Stygia, Shem, Black Kingdoms - Death, Evil, Magic, Serpents, Weather Male Father Set, The Great Serpent,
  106.  
  107. Damballah of Black Kingdoms
  108.  
  109. Wiccana of Brythunia -Healing, Plant Female Nature Goddess
  110.  
  111. Xotli of Atlantis - Blood, Evil
  112.  
  113. Yajur of Kosala - Death, Prophecy
  114.  
  115. The God of Yota-Pong
  116.  
  117. Yama of Meru - Evil, Fire Male King of Devils
  118.  
  119. Ymir of Nordheim - Destruction, Strength, War Male The Frost Giant
  120.  
  121. Yog of Darfar, Zuagir - Bats, Blood, Darkness The Lord of Empty Abodes
  122. Camazotz
  123.  
  124. Yun of Khitai - Guardian, Plant
  125.  
  126. Zath of Zamora - Darkness, Spiders or Omm, The Spider-God of Yezud
  127.  
  128. Deities and Demi-gods of the Hyborian Age
  129.  
  130. Nordheimr/Cimmerian Gods
  131.  
  132. Ymir the frost-giant - Nordheimr god
  133.  
  134. Atali - Ymir's Daughter, Nordheimr god
  135.  
  136. Frost Giants/Ice Giants - Ymir's Sons, Nordheimr gods
  137.  
  138. Cimmerian gods
  139.  
  140. Crom - Cimmerian god
  141.  
  142. Lir - Cimmerian god
  143.  
  144. Mannanan - Cimmerian god, son of Lir
  145.  
  146. Badb - Cimmerian war goddess
  147.  
  148. Morrigan - Cimmerian goddess of battle, strife, and fertility
  149.  
  150. Macha - Cimmerian goddess of war, horses, sovereignty
  151.  
  152. Nemain - Cimmerian goddess of the havoc of war
  153.  
  154. Diancecht
  155.  
  156. Dagda
  157.  
  158. Hyborian gods
  159.  
  160. Bori - Hyborian god, chief and king
  161.  
  162. Mitra - Hyborian god
  163.  
  164. Anu - Corinthian sky god
  165.  
  166. Fear - Hyborian god
  167.  
  168. Fate - Hyborian god
  169.  
  170. Ishtar - Hyborian goddess
  171. /Shemitish fertility goddess
  172.  
  173. Death - Hyborian god
  174.  
  175. Time - Hyborian god
  176.  
  177. Darkness - Hyborian god
  178.  
  179. Light - Hyborian god
  180.  
  181. Night - Hyborian god
  182.  
  183. Nameless Old Ones - Hyborian gods
  184.  
  185. Nightmare - Hyborian god
  186.  
  187. Ahriman - Hyborian god/devil
  188.  
  189. Night of the World - Hyborian god
  190.  
  191. Stygian gods
  192.  
  193. Ibis - Stygian god of wisdom and the moon
  194.  
  195. Set - Stygian Serpent-god
  196.  
  197. Child of Set - Giant serpent with human head, Stygian god
  198.  
  199. Giant-Kings/Monster Kings - Pre-Stygian Race of gods
  200.  
  201. Derketo - Shemitish/Stygian sea-goddess of pleasure
  202.  
  203. Shemitish gods
  204.  
  205. Bel - Zamoran god, god of thieves
  206.  
  207. Ishtar - Hyborian goddess/Shemitish fertility goddess
  208.  
  209. Derketo - Shemitish/Stygian sea-goddess of pleasure
  210.  
  211. Ashtoreth - Shemitish goddess of fertility, sexuality, and war
  212.  
  213. Adonis - Shemitish god
  214.  
  215. Dagon - Shemitish fish god
  216.  
  217. Baal - Archeronian/ Shemitish god/demon
  218.  
  219. Devil - Shemitish god
  220.  
  221. Pteor - Pelishtim god
  222.  
  223. Vendhyan gods
  224.  
  225. Asura - Vendhyan god
  226.  
  227. Yizil - Vendhyan god
  228.  
  229. Kosalan god
  230.  
  231. Yajur - Kosalan god
  232.  
  233. Gods of the Black Kingdoms
  234.  
  235. Jullah - Kushite god
  236.  
  237. Princess Yelaya - Alkmeenonian, Oracle of Alkmeenon, goddess to Keshan
  238.  
  239. Jhil - Aphaki god, Pictish/Kushite raven god
  240.  
  241. Ajujo, the Dark One - Kushite god
  242.  
  243. Gwahlur - Keshani god
  244.  
  245. Derketa Queen of the Dead - Kushite goddess
  246.  
  247. Jhebbal Sag - ancient deity of men and beasts
  248.  
  249. Ivory Woman of Punt
  250.  
  251. Hyrkanian gods
  252.  
  253. Yog Lord of the Empty Abodes - Hyrkanian demon god
  254.  
  255. Hanuman - Hykanian ape-god
  256.  
  257. Erlik - Hyrkanian god of death and the underworld
  258.  
  259. Tarim - Hyrkanian god
  260.  
  261. Zamorian god
  262.  
  263. Spider-god of Yezud
  264.  
  265. Pictish gods and demi-gods
  266.  
  267. Jhebbal Sag - ancient deity of men and beasts
  268.  
  269. Zogar Sag - Pict, Gwaweli tribe, Pictish wizard, shaman, Jhebbal Sag's son
  270.  
  271. Hairy One who lives on the moon - Pictish god
  272.  
  273. Gorilla-god of Gullah
  274.  
  275. Jhil - Aphaki god, Pictish/Kushite raven god
  276.  
  277. Children of Jhil - Pictish raven familiars
  278.  
  279. Khitan gods
  280.  
  281. Yag-Kosha/Yogah of Yag - Demon of the Elder World, from the green planet Yag worshiped by the Yellow-skulled priests of Yun
  282.  
  283. Yun - Khitan god
  284.  
  285. Other Gods and Demi-Gods
  286.  
  287. Gods of Yag
  288.  
  289. Thog - Xuthalan god, shadow monster
  290.  
  291. Khosatral Khel - Transmutated sorcerer, the ancient from the Abyss, Dagonian god
  292.  
  293. Ollam-onga - Vampire, god of Gazal
  294.  
  295. Dragon gods - gods of Xuchotl
  296.  
  297. Thaug - Giant shadowy monster worshipped by Taramis
  298.  
  299. Gods and Goddesses of the night worshipped by Taramis
  300.  
  301. Eve - Judeo/Christian progenitor
  302. Blonde demigod
  303.  
  304. Blonde Demi-God's Father
  305.  
  306. Devil from the outer dark/bat
  307.  
  308. Demon worshipped by the brown women of The Vale of Lost Women"
  309.  
  310. "Haha! Thank you! Yeah, I thought Crom and Set might be the two most popular choices. Crom for people who want to take after Conan and Set for people who are into the evil wizard aesthetic maybe.
  311.  
  312. The stories use the names of and concepts of numerous real world Gods, even Derketo was the name given to Atargatis by some Greek writings. As far as I'm aware, most if not all have some real world reference, basis, or inspiration.
  313.  
  314. Due to the current lack of popularity for Christianity, I expected that Mitra would get chosen least by people but that the big statue avatar version from Conan Exiles might bring some interest back to Mitra. The statue is based on some old Conan cover art from like 1933 or something which shows a statue of Mitra, as well as maybe the concept of a giant living and moving statue like the Collosus of Rhodes tends to inspire or appears to be in some media depictions.
  315.  
  316. Out of the most popular and frequently referred to Gods in the Conan Universe, Asura is the one I'd expect people not to know too much about automatically or intuitively.
  317.  
  318. I think one of my favorites is Dagon / Dagoth who seems to be present in Conan the Destroyer, and also has mention in lots of media outside of the Conan Universe, such as in Lovecraft's work and among other authors, due to stories in the Bible.
  319.  
  320. Dagon was according to some academics, possibly another name for El, and El is the origin or related to the popular word for God used by a vast chunk of the world, Allah.
  321.  
  322. That could mean that of all the Gods mentioned in Conan's Universe (which is supposed to be our world in very ancient times), Dagon is the most mentioned in media and the most worshipped to this day among Gods mentioned directly in Howard's Conan Universe and the Conan film Universe as well.
  323.  
  324. Dagon as El is the God of Everything and Originator but has specific linkage to water (symbolically water can also represent Information, Wisdom, Dreaming), blood (insight), the moon (a curved horn theme which may also represent the moon, life growth, fertility, potency, virility), monsters including monsters in the deep unknown and being a monster in the sense of wild untamed nature and natural forces with overwhelming power (creation of lifeforms and creatures and uncontrollable elements and weather such as sky in the rains, sea in its bounty, Earth and its quakes and harvests based heavily on time, lunar activity, and season), being the basis upon which people depend and which people interact with as the generator of all experiences / information (like a dream).
  325.  
  326. The others are barely worshipped today, as very few Satanists genuinely and formally worship Set or Satan, Ahriman, or Snake imagery even though they like such.
  327.  
  328. Even though Mitra is supposed to resemble or be an early form of Christian deity, it isn't really, and the original Mitra finds relation to Dagon again through the very common Vedic appelation or epithet Mitra-Varuna, where Varuna is very similar to Dagon and has similar associations between Dagon and Yam or Yw and Indra and El and Allah.
  329.  
  330. Most people who talk to me about God, seem to believe in a concept where God is a kind of distant and remote being, often mentally anthropomorphized by believers and non-believers alike, who does not intervene much but people are free and asked to rely on their own will and power, and so a concept very similar to Conan's Crom is also highly popular among people, particularly Western or Westernized and somewhat deistic or agnostic post-enlightenment types of people. In ancient times though, Crom Cruaigh was prostrated to in a manner similar to how modern Muslims worship.
  331.  
  332. Many people also believe in or say they believe in Set or Ahriman as "The Source and Cause of Evil, The Devil" and a Zoroastrian style Dualism is quite popular in thinking due mainly to Christianity and its popular interpretation, though most people do not worship or call upon Set. If they do seek vengeance they may instead really prefer calling upon Nergal (Aplu or Apollo or Mikkal who is Michael) to avenge their injuries, fight or go to war against what they deem evil, or bring down the doom and punishment or heal them. Yet, trouble and hostility is ever present overall, it is not constantly present for every individual all the time, making that sort of thing less frequent (see the funny Kenneth Copeland Covid-19 Remix by WtfBrehh).
  333.  
  334. People, males as well as females also naturally obsess over femininity, sex, and beauty, the domains of Ishtar and Derketo (Atargatis) or Venus in the Conan Universe.
  335.  
  336. Generally, there are 7 main theme areas that humans can sort things into, and those are:
  337.  
  338. 0. Sun - Cronus, Time, Space, Universe, Void, Everything, Authority, Golden Age, Linked to El
  339. 1. Jupiter - Zeus, Sky and Air Weather and Wind, Force, Domination Linked to Baal
  340. 2. Moon - Poseidon, Waters, Encompassing, Storage, Bounty, Knowledge, Vastness, Depth, Substance, Linked to Yam
  341. 3. Saturn - Hades, Earth, Harvest, Farming, Decrees, Judgment, Afterlife/Underworld, Death / Resurrection, Growth from the Soil, Linked to Mot
  342. 4. Mercury - Hermes, Fire, Electricity, Plasma (Ionized Gas), Industry, Innovation, Communication, Trade, Language, Theft, Linked to Thoth and Nabu or Nebo
  343. 5. Venus - Attar or Aphrodite, Growth, Life, Beauty, Fertility, Sex, Ambition, Lust, Legacy, Philosophy, Ideals and Idealism, Biology, Genetics and Evolution, Technological Advancement and Assistance, Futurism, Accusation, Inquisition, Litigation or Lawyers
  344. 6. Mars - Apollo, Destruction, Disease, Healing, Vibration, Sound, Light, Prophecy, Sight, Punishment, Pain, Redness, Inflammation, Decay, Deconstruction (see Imagine Dragons - Believer , a song which prominently uses the epithet of "Pain"!), Manifesting or Bringing About Results, Vengeance and Justice executed, Linked to Nergal.
  345.  
  346. These are the 7 major aspects at themes which make up our world House 0 or 7 can be considered the one Encompassing them all.
  347.  
  348. The 7 are also linked to colors (see The Desaturated Seven by Primus):
  349. 0. Black and Gold as well as Indigo
  350. 1. Blue and White and Orange
  351. 2. Blue-Green, Transparent, Yellow, White, Silver
  352. 3. Gray, Black, Violet, Purple, Dark Pink
  353. 4. Yellow-Orange, Electric Blue and White
  354. 5. Green and Pink and whitish blue or light blue and ivory, Patina, Wood, Brass or Dark Brown Metal
  355. 6. Red and White and Violet and Purple, Black and White, Copper, Rust, Reddish Metals
  356.  
  357. It isn't hard to imagine at least these very common themes and collections appearing repeatedly through human media and productions and throughout our ordinary day, experiences, and activities, constantly, even as we have existence and presence and place, breath in air (1), drink water (2), eat food (3) worked from the land or crops and animals, digest it (4) and talking to people and work and build and stay in shelters (structures and the square or box shape have to do with this 4th domain or theme quite often, it is also the Temple or House of Worship which is communication to God), Beautify and pursue Sexual interests and our drive for better comforts and other things likely tied closely to the sex drive and hormones (5) and philosophizing in our comfort and leisure, and hunting and pursuing and executing tasks and concerning ourselves with predictions and security and experiencing change which is necessarily made up of elimination and generation and then that moment is eliminated and a new one is generated in its place moment to moment (6) this is also the domain of the oracular and for example finding in music or even video games or anything in life we experience certain messages we may deem significant or special based on how we invest meaning into the information or components of the experience or the experience overall!
  358.  
  359. I think this Conan game and literature is actually very special for how it brings many things to mind even subconsciously and encourages the imagination and even spirituality through excitement with human cultures and conceptualizations regarding our reality!
  360.  
  361. I think there is a lot of fun to be had with these thoughts and their deeper explorations!"
  362.  
  363. They replied:
  364. Thank you for your polite response, once again. That was a whole haystack of replies. Thank you for the time to compose it, as I think it ought to be very informative.
  365.  
  366. I wanted to discuss the first part of your narrative, which I think decrees in a slippery slope; assuming that human beings operate on a neuro-chemical level, aught not to be trusted because it is based not on real things, but on forms of things.
  367.  
  368. It may pay to be able to set some boundary conditions - I think you agree, looking at Asimov's laws of Robotics, a robot acts, and assuming humans are robots for the win, with sets and laws relational to other robots. That is, with bounding constraints to only what defines a robot as a "robot", and not as a "human".
  369.  
  370. If a robot hurts another robot, that makes them unethical in the bounds of robotic ethics, as per Asimov's laws. But when a human destroys a robot, it does not surmount to the same ethics because it is done by a different agent and not paramount to the former ethics bound by a different set of conditionals.
  371.  
  372. I want to throw in the dilemma proposed by suicide prevention groups and yourself as per example, is that they posit a vitriolic pyramid scheme: humans should only exist for the sole pleasures of themselves; seems to me that the mass-hysteria around Governed control is true , and at the same time very un-humane.
  373.  
  374. If we assume humans are insane because they decide not to live, what proof do we have that we aren't insane as well? We are human too, right?
  375.  
  376. To assume people are insane is not to argue from abduction like you should, it is purporting a different term that is deemed unnecessary. we should always assume people are lucid, not that they are stir crazy. We should aim to respect the wishes of others; that is the ethics that bound us as humans.
  377.  
  378. What you did was to wrap up human beings as a worker class, to omit labour only to nourish others, and that, as you say, they should be slaves. And they SHOULDN'T have an escape from slavery.
  379.  
  380. But this brings a problem then: If humans should be slaves, and ought not be free, why do you allow yourself the freedom you don't impose on others?
  381.  
  382. And do you then, agree, if you enslave others, you are a monster and by the very same moral standards, not a rightful human being at all? As by the proxy definition of human-ness, you are un-human by wanting others as slaves. So that makes you a psychopath...
  383.  
  384. can you see where I am getting? You are obligated to give others a sense of liberty, and when you deny them the liberty of choice, your moral guideline falls into question.
  385.  
  386. It may help to tell me then, why a Government should follow suit with your thinking, if the Government wants to enslave the masses, just like what you intend to do, why bother voting for a corrupt dictatorship?
  387.  
  388. You also prove that your position is not the good and honest position, but an adversary to the common good.
  389.  
  390. -Vick
  391.  
  392. I replied:
  393. I agree with what you have written, you have understood my position pretty well, the meaning of the word "robot" is " 1920s: from Czech, from robota ‘forced labor’. The term was coined in K. Čapek's play R.U.R.‘Rossum's Universal Robots’ (1920). "
  394.  
  395. I do not believe morality gives one a right to live, but that there is no such thing as a "right" to live, nor do I believe in a "soul" which exists inside the body. Thus, people live only by chance and circumstance and through violence and selfishness, which is how we kill and destroy lifeforms in order to feed off of them and survive and extend our hold on experience and the use of our bodies for as long as we can. I do not believe in a distinction between the "human" and the "monster". God or Nature is the initial monster generating calumny after abomination after horror and I do not believe an escape is even possible. I do not believe in the "right" of people to make choices which necessarily favor me, and all that interests me ultimately is what may favor me, and all that imposes real control, or the "real truth" is the violence of what situations and circumstances force one to do based on their hope and interest. That is to say, if someone wants something contrary to what I want, various forms of violence and manipulation are what gets one their way. Luckily though, I'm mainly misanthropic so I don't mind too much if a lot of people kill themselves, and I prefer they kill themselves rather than continuously harm themselves, only because they make themselves a costly, time consuming nuisance by never just properly dying and being a thorn in everyone's side. Yet, for many reasons, I can not advocate this as being anything "sane", even if "sanity" is merely a rhetorical tool used to further manipulate people into living in order to serve. I think the government very much knowingly does this, and we all participate in reciprocal services to one another and giving and taking pleasure in our lives where and when its possible, and doing what else is necessary to survive, and moreover survive comfortably and towards increasing comfort and ease. I think suicidal people sometimes may get lost in fantasies and idealism and ideas that exaggerate and go beyond the reality. One can not experience non-experience and one is completely unable to give or enjoy if they are dead, a person who would not want to give or enjoy does not seem like the majority, or like me, but even if the whole world wanted to die and I was the odd-one out who wanted to live, I deem that inclination to be based on material conditions like my chemicals and neural network and formation. Calling people insane or not or good or bad or anything can be called arbitrary, just as any and all words are merely tools to try to send commands and create things in the minds of oneself and others, referential triggers or catalysts to induce states of mind and encourage certain actions and behaviors.
  396.  
  397. The ideal person in my view is one who does everything in their power to benefit me and provide me and give me pleasure. That can include people who, finding themselves unable to serve or even provide pleasure in any way whatsoever, eradicate themselves and their genes from creating further disturbances.
  398.  
  399. When I am trying to help people though, its to see if anything might be salvaged, since a dead body is of the least use to me and is just trash and rot with no potential left for extraction or use at all. I'm not fond of death and decay for that reason and try to see if people can be productive towards a better world and ultimately a better experience for me.
  400.  
  401. It may seem monsterous in its unmasked form, but I think this is the mentality which underlies most animals, including humans, as well as those things which are the extensions of humans and their efforts, such as organized religions and governments.
  402.  
  403. The Government imposes such and many things, just as humans do to humans and other animals as well, and everything is ultimately ruled by circumstance and might, manipulation and violence. Philosophy is just a sugar coating at times on the brute reality of things.
  404.  
  405. There are certain people I am pleased in their deaths, such as the criminal elements in society, because they make a person feel unsafe, uncomfortable, and make life more unpleassnt overall, so if they kill each other or themselves or die, its a cause for celebration. Similarly, when the very annoying people with severe emotional and mental problems die off and stop causing distress and trouble, its not so bad, but if they can be brainwashed or medicated back into service and retain potential and productivity and use, its far better than a corpse, if they can't, then a corpse is better than an endless nuisance and disruption and destructive and hurtful element repeatedly causing harm and distress and overall anger and stress due to their instability or consistent menacing.
  406.  
  407. If the government tries to control our bodies, and we don't want them to, we fight, and the stronger will win and have their way, and that is the law of this nature.
  408.  
  409. Likewise, I acknowledge God as synonymous with The Ultimate Reality Responsible For Generating Every Nuance Of Experience, and I only worship God because God is meant to be a term (as I use it) referring only to "whatever at all is really the strongest and ultimately responsible force, which dominates and imposes whatever upon everything and brings it about as it appears to be or is", meaning, because everything is pretty terrible and wicked, its source is likewise so, and is only worshipped due to a hope in getting by with some further benefit or profit which widdled down is essentially only ever pleasure and ongoing pleasure being better than the shorter, and the shorter being better than suffering, the worst being the heaviest and most intense and longest lasting suffering. God is the first to "force labor" through needs like air most urgently, water next, and food third, activity fourth, growth fifth, and destruction and change sixth.
  410.  
  411. The person who talks about unicorns living in their fridge or calculating that their not being able to move their body is better than being able to move their body, may be called many things, stupid, insane, weak, and all these words and stigmatizing agents are meant to try to bully and control anything back into conformity, slavery, and service, to the vaguer "humanity" and the much more specific "me". Whether its "true" or not has no real bearing or importance, as "truth" is often also rhetorical when verbalized, since the real "truth" is the undeniable, and what is undeniable is raw experience and visceral things like pain and pleasure.
  412.  
  413. (House 1)Here are two music videos, one for me seeming Monstrous:
  414. https://youtu.be/vCXsRoyFRQE
  415.  
  416. (House 6)One for the Visceral:
  417. https://youtu.be/9Aebjmgn0bw
  418.  
  419. (House 5)and One that depicts the lure and purpose of our natural drives and enslavement, both in its art and the lyrics:
  420. https://youtu.be/QdabIfmcqSQ
  421.  
  422. Lyrics:
  423. https://youtu.be/2sa0etrrPYk
  424.  
  425. (House 2)These I perceive as being directly generated or brought about by an intelligence which also decides who kills themselves, when, and how. If you were to choose a method for yourself, what would it be and why do you think you would have chosen that? I'm averse to pain and terrified of death, so would prefer any death if necessary to be peaceful and without my awareness which would thus include my fear and doubt.
  426. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occasionalism
  427. https://youtu.be/o-nr1nNC3ds
  428.  
  429. (House 7)If you have the time and read those extra parts I included, I'm curious about what you might be inclined to select and which of the 7 you may feel an affinity to or feel surrounded by in your expression, selection, and environment, and also if you enjoy music at all and can think of any or all songs you've ever felt are particularly outstanding and significant for you regardless if they seem mundane or silly.
  430. https://youtu.be/vPN1EY4MIK8
  431.  
  432. (House 3)Here is one that might have a suicide theme for some people, but I invest into words and lyrics and images only what I can turn towards benefit, as advised by the final song I will include at the bottom after the suicidal seeming one:
  433. https://youtu.be/5Sgi9mtsqG8
  434.  
  435. (House 4)I always try to make the best of anyone or anything as far as I am able:
  436. https://youtu.be/oiVGoHXNNTQ
  437.  
  438. You'll see these 7 "Houses" are references to some of what I wrote briefly of in the Conan the Barbarian segments. If you have any interest in Ancient Religions, you can check out these articles, otherwise you can skip them.
  439.  
  440. Additional Reading for the Interested:
  441. An article which discusses Veles and Varuna which has some very useful information for those interested and one on Mitra:
  442. http://sms.zrc-sazu.si/pdf/22/SMS_22_3_Ivankovic.pdf
  443.  
  444. http://sms.zrc-sazu.si/pdf/16/06-sms16-golema.pdf
  445.  
  446. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra%E2%80%93Varuna
  447.  
  448. http://www.ijsrp.org/research_paper_may2012/ijsrp-may-2012-20.pdf
  449.  
  450. https://www.textroad.com/pdf/JBASR/J.%20Basic.%20Appl.%20Sci.%20Res.,%202(7)6863-6871,%202012.pdf
  451.  
  452. An article which discusses Dagan as El and the source of Baal:
  453. http://emp.byui.edu/SatterfieldB/Rel390R/Fur%20Further%20Study/Ugarit/DaganAndEl.pdf
  454.  
  455. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon
  456.  
  457. https://www.academia.edu/7021620/Baal_Son_of_Dagan_In_Search_of_Baals_Double_Paternity_JAOS_133_2013_
  458.  
  459. http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/dagan/index.html
  460.  
  461. An article on Dan or Zan in Crete:
  462. https://journals.openedition.org/kernos/pdf/711
  463.  
  464. http://britam.org/dan3.html
  465.  
  466. Two Articles on Taboos in Food and Drink:
  467. http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_4_No_13_November_2014/15.pdf
  468.  
  469. https://opensiuc.lib.siu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3975&context=ocj
  470.  
  471. El:
  472. https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/bitstream/11375/10686/1/fulltext.pdf
  473.  
  474. https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1464&context=jbms
  475.  
  476. Dagan:
  477. https://www.persee.fr/doc/syria_0039-7946_1992_num_69_3_7297
  478.  
  479. Temples:
  480. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9911/2cbe1bcc8c94c345e16bd3e0e56be00ad123.pdf
  481.  
  482. https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/dzo/artikel/201/125_201.pdf?t=1213949271
  483.  
  484. Iconography:
  485. http://www.religionswissenschaft.uzh.ch/idd/prepublications/e_idd_dagan.pdf
  486.  
  487. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1998JBAA..108....9R/0000009.000.html
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