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20:57 <~Pleeb> Chupi and I decided it would be pretty interesting to have a tulpa debate tulpae with him on the show.
20:57 <~Pleeb> I actually as well, sent him a huge email.
20:57 <~Pleeb> (see, I was going to go on that show, that night, but something else came up)
20:58 <~Pleeb> Yeah, as I said, the guy is pretty far into the metaphysical field.
20:59 <~Pleeb> He sent me a message back,
20:59 <~Pleeb> After I sent him a pretty big wall of text.
20:59 <~Pleeb> He knows that tulpa.info doesn't follow the metaphyscial approach,
20:59 <~Pleeb> And we don't believe in physical manisfestations and stuff, as well.
20:59 <~Pleeb> Though he seems to, still.
21:00 <~Pleeb> I explained to him that we were considering having a tulpa talk in the online chatroom during the show,
21:00 <~Pleeb> But were worried said tulpa would have been accused of being a roleplayer or something.
21:00 <~Pleeb> Though, it seems he's had weirder characters in the past.
21:01 < Pronas> likw who
21:01 <~Pleeb> I also explained quite a bit on how most tulpae I know are, and reiterated that they're just like any other person and stuff.
21:01 <~Pleeb> Pronas: He's had a ton of "spiritual people" on one of his radio shows.
21:01 < Pronas> oh
21:01 <~Pleeb> So after listening to the show,
21:02 <~Pleeb> We thought it would be pretty nice to, at the very least, try to clear up some misconsceptions about tulpae.
21:02 <~Pleeb> On the air, while talking with this guy.
21:02 < Pronas> exciting
21:02 <~Pleeb> Just so he'd come to know that they're not really monsters or anything.
21:03 < Pronas> but people who need love~
21:05 <~Pleeb> Either way, he ended up emailing me back awhile ago, and he was like, "You and the tulpae are welcomed on the show, and they can feel free to communicate via chat room or speaking if they are so inclined.  I can assure you they will be treated with respect."
21:08 <~Pleeb> But yes, the show came on,
21:08 <~Pleeb> And he was talking about tulpae.
21:08 <~Pleeb> The whole story about the person on tulpa.com,
21:08 <~Pleeb> And he was talking about, manifesting squirrls or something?
21:08 <~Pleeb> Either way, most of the light he was shining tulpae in, was a malacious light.
21:09 < Goldsmith> manifesting squirrels?
21:09 <~Pleeb> And I think it's that he just didn't know any better,
21:09 <~Pleeb> Goldsmith: As I said, far in the metaphysical camp.
21:09 <~Pleeb> Like, he talked about a lot of fluffy stuff.
21:09 < Goldsmith> well, negativity seems to attract more viewers for some reason.
21:10 < Goldsmith> so he sounds like the kind of guy who would try to tie it to summoning demons and whatever
21:10 <~Pleeb> I was actually going to debate the subject (at least the light he was shining tulpae in) on the show, but I didn't have time.
21:10 <~Pleeb> Chupi and I thought it would be interesting to have a tulpa talk with him on the show.
21:10 <~Pleeb> Markus would be a good canidate for that.
21:10 <~Pleeb> And he's open to it, as well.
21:11 < Goldsmith> Yeah, that would be interesting, and yeah, Markus, and Clair I can imagine both would have strong arguments for their points of view and perspective on things. Markus in particular I think would be very convincing.
21:11 <~Pleeb> Clair can give good arguments,
21:12 <~Pleeb> But I have a feeling she'd go into a heated rage at the people.
21:12 <~Pleeb> At least the host.
21:12 < Goldsmith> yeah, I sort of picked up on that. Markus seems more calm and collected.
21:13 <~Pleeb> He is.
21:13 < Goldsmith> Li seems too.....gentle? I guess to hold up her point of view against what is likely going to be a cynical disccussion.
21:13 < Goldsmith> If glitch and his Tulpa went on it would be a total wild card
21:13 <~Pleeb> Yes, um..
21:14 < Goldsmith> I dont know the other tulpa enough to predict what anyone else would be like
21:14 <~Pleeb> Luna is way too lewd.
21:14 < Goldsmith> Luna should talk with Howard Stern. And thus Saria's prophecy is fullfilled, and tulpa become mainstream. lol.
21:15 <~Pleeb> But yeah, today, the guy contacted me,
21:15 <~Pleeb> And he wants to get me and some tulpae scheduled for a show.
21:15 <%Tesseract> That sounds fun to see... Will you be keeping us posted?
21:15 <~Pleeb> I certainly will.
21:15 < Goldsmith> I like Luna's lewdness though. It comes across in a very honest way, but it definitely isnt the material needed to convince people that this is serious or for real.
21:16 < Pronas> luna is a sweet girl
21:16 < Pronas> but too lewd u.u
21:17 <~Pleeb> My biggest concern is how far in the metaphysical this guy is.  While it means the chances that the host and listerner will be open to this existance is higher, it means the chances of realistically convincing them that tulpae aren't monsters under the bed could be abit harder.
21:18 <%Tesseract> While true, being able to hold a normal, rational discussion with one would probably do a fair bit of convincing on its own.
21:18 < cardscov> Pleeb, make it a very strong opening statement
21:18 < Goldsmith> well, the solution to that might be to try to win both arguments.
21:18 <~Pleeb> Heck, while I've heard of it, I have yet to meet a malacious tulpa.
21:19 < Goldsmith> as in, while proving it is psycological, try to prove that IF they are metaphysical, they are positive in nature, not negative, unless you purposefully and intentionally go out of your way to make them so.
21:19 < Goldsmith> I know how people like that argue
21:19 <~Pleeb> Goldsmith: Yes, I like that idea.
21:20 < cardscov> just say that the majority of people in this community making a tulpa are approaching it from a non-metaphysical standpoint
21:20 <%__roflmao__> Pleeb, I'm not sure calling on that show would be any different than having an atheist call at a christian talk show.
21:20 < Goldsmith> even if you prove everything is psycological or grounded in reality, they will use some metaphysical junk to say that the metaphysical is just tied to the reality parts, or that the reality part is a receptor, or an echo, or something of the actual reality.
21:20 < cardscov> most of the time if something is metaphysical it requires you to at least acknowledge it before workin'
21:21 <~Pleeb> I'm actually more concerned about showing tulpae in a good light, for starters.
21:21 < cardscov> here's an analogy
21:21 <~Pleeb> I'd like to dispel some things such as manifestation, et al,
21:21 < cardscov> if you stick a fire under some logs, those logs will catch fire
21:21 <~Pleeb> But I'm not sure how that would go.
21:21 <%__roflmao__> well, I'm not even sure why he thinks they are negative though, just creepypastas?
21:21 < cardscov> who's to say a small god isn't responsible for letting the fire spread to the logs?
21:21 <~Pleeb> roflmao: I believe so; we've gathered that he just doesn't know any better.
21:21 < Goldsmith> Pleeb, the ultimate goal should be fore Tulpa to be shown in a good light, so make sure they are proved to be positive regardless of whether it is metaphysical or physical.
21:22 <~Pleeb> ^
21:22 <~Pleeb> Yes, Goldsmith.
21:22 <~Pleeb> I like this.
21:22 <%Tesseract> I concur, smith.
21:22 < cardscov> I'll agree to that as well
21:22 < cardscov> though in my head it ain't much of an option to let 'em be negative
21:24 < Goldsmith> There is no way to absolutely disprove the metaphysical, that is why religion and belief in occult and such is so strong. The best we can do is showcase our view point while proving what we can prove: Tulpa are not boogeymen. Tulpa are the creations of the creator, not summoned from the dark parts of your mind or an astroplane. Tulpa are their own person, not DID alternate personality schizophrenia. ect.
21:24 <%__roflmao__> Goldsmith, I'm not sure there's any different from "cured" DID and tulpae though
21:24 <%__roflmao__> *difference
21:25 <%Tesseract> ...isn't "cured" DID where all but the host are gone?
21:25 < Qookie> DID features discontinuities of self
21:25 <%Tesseract> Whether destroyed or merged?
21:25 <%__roflmao__> no, there can also be co-conscious version
21:25 < Qookie> ie. blackouts and possession
21:25 < Qookie> memory loss
21:25 <%__roflmao__> where all persons communicate
21:25 <%Tesseract> Hmm... that's not what the psychologist told me, rofl...
21:25 < Qookie> significant distress
21:26 <%__roflmao__> Tesseract, well, apparently it's a minority of them who prefer achieving co-consciousness as opposed to "merging"
21:26 < Qookie> well, DID is constantly underdoign redefinition.
21:26 < Qookie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder#Diagnosis
21:26 <%__roflmao__> and yea, DID is a mess
21:26 <%__roflmao__> definition wise
21:26 <%Tesseract> So... it's not so much "curing" as "finding a stable status"?
21:26 <%__roflmao__> more like a status where the person is perfectly functional
21:27 < Qookie> yes, all mental disorder diagnoses require significant distress to the individual in question or those immediately around them
21:27 <~Pleeb> Yeah, I actually made it clear twice to him, pretty much this: "You're free to come into all of these rooms as well as our community forums.  However, as I've noted before, most of the community subscribes to the 'hard-science' psychological school of thought rather than the metaphysical/spiritual school."
21:27 <%__roflmao__> http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Healthy_multiplicity
21:27 < Goldsmith> The point is, while we are arguing from a psycological viewpoint, we also have to defend our position from psycological attacks: such as statements that this is a mental illness of some kind.
21:28 < Qookie> good find, rofl
21:28 <%__roflmao__> if you call something like this a disorder or not is purely political
21:28 <%__roflmao__> or cultural
21:29 <%__roflmao__> because it does not impede functioning
21:29 < Qookie> I think the DSM-V is moving strictly towards "it must cause strife or discomfort at a functional, not just a cultural level"
21:29 < Goldsmith> roflmao, that is an excellent argument for pleeb to bring up if the mental illness card is played by the radio host