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<+Seraphis_Set> <Dark_Wyvern> Bah
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<+Seraphis_Set> Holy shit, it's real.
<+Seraphis_Set> Wake is Haze redux.
<@Lira> Can't be
<+Seraphis_Set> Missing out on this is going to be like missing out on the original Star Wars trilogy being re-released with all that ridiculous CG in theaters.
<+Seraphis_Set> I'm not missing it for the world, sucks to be you if you do.
<@Lira> Considering that entry requires approval, I don't have much choice~
<Ook> fake a name god
<Ook> it's not hard
<@Lira> Can't fake an IP address.
<+Seraphis_Set> Lira, don't be all Sankis up in this bitch.
<+Seraphis_Set> Ahahahaha
<+Seraphis_Set> They don't give a fuck about IPs.
<+Seraphis_Set> These guys are still trying to figure out how all the goons got the IRC channel name.
<Sankis> what
<+Seraphis_Set> Being Sankis - To be a babby.
<Sankis> o
<@Lira> Gee, I sure do wonder how goons found out about something that a bunch of other goons know about
<@Lira> What a mystery that is
<@Lira> Someone call Encyclopedia Brown
<+Seraphis_Set> Lira, just alt up and check it out.
<+Seraphis_Set> Shit ain't launching until May anyway.
<Ook> run a proxy if you really must
<+Seraphis_Set> Get your ducks in order.
<@Lira> You can't run a proxy on NWN1
<+Seraphis_Set> ...
<Sankis> I don't think he can hold back on his burning hatred for sil about something that happened over 2 years ago over the internet
<@Lira> Unless Set has some magical means of doing this in which case I am all ears!
<Sankis> Ugh.
<Sankis> DarkWyvern.
<Sankis> WHY?
<+Seraphis_Set> You are fo reals worrying about people checking the IP you connect to a NWN1 PW server with?
<Sankis> I could find my old hazedev logs and I garuantee i'd find them talking shit about every person in this channel right now
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<+Seraphis_Set> I mean, Lira I have made people in this scene filled with rage, spend months checking their servers for bugs that don't exist, rape their playerbase, and troll their admins and no one has ever thought to check the IP I was connecting to a server with.
<@Lira> Of course you could. They talked shit about everyone.
<+Seraphis_Set> They're sure as hell not going to do it for you.
<@Lira> Unlike most server admins, Ut isn't a complete incompetent
<+Seraphis_Set> Ut doesn't give a fuck.
<+Seraphis_Set> He doesn't even dislike you.
<@Lira> IPs and CD keys show up in the main user interface for god's sake
<@Lira> It's not exactly hard to access
<Sankis> I remember when set was caught for his shit on haze
<Sankis> it was because he went so over the top
<Sankis> I forget the exact reason
<+Seraphis_Set> Lira, you are making some mad excuses.
<Sankis> but it was something that eventually REQUIRED checking his ip
<+Seraphis_Set> It was because I crashed an imaginary boat on the shore and let everyone escape if they wanted to.
<+Seraphis_Set> The antithesis of Haze.
<@Lira> The AntiHaze Equation
<+Seraphis_Set> Also, these guys are legit taking criticism from every NWN2PW thread on SA.
<+Seraphis_Set> It's hilarious.
<+Seraphis_Set> They're going to do rotating player DMing.
<@Lira> The worst idea
<+Seraphis_Set> No way.
<+Seraphis_Set> It's inspired
<Sankis> Something that will give me LESS consistant dming?
<Sankis> Innovative!
<+Seraphis_Set> These are legit opportunities they're taking.
<@Lira> "Inspired" is not the word I would use to describe fundamentally undermining the single most important aspect of a persistent world environment (the staff)
<+Seraphis_Set> ahahahaha
<Ook> * DarkWyvern laughs
<Ook> oh the old days
<Sankis> OOk
<Sankis> pay me
<Sankis> now
<Ook> BOOTSTRAP
<Ook> S
<+Seraphis_Set> Lira, c'mon. <@Lira> "Inspired" is not the word I would use to describe fundamentally undermining the single most important aspect of a persistent world environment (the staff)
<Sankis> PAY MEEEE
<Sankis> NOW
<+Seraphis_Set> Name a single PW that hasn't fucked up the aspect you're describing right now.
<Sankis> I wonder how many late fees i've racked up with my old hosting
<Sankis> if it's under $90 I may renew
<+Seraphis_Set> The point I'm trying to make is that the Wake team recognizes that there has been almost no progress on that front since NWN1 and are at least willing to try something new.
<@Lira> They all seem to fuck it up to one degree or another, although Charun is consistently less terrible in that respect than, say, Exodus or TFR.
<+Seraphis_Set> These guys aren't trying to recreate a scene we all remember wistfully, they're trying something new on an engine that they know scales with their vision.
<@Lira> But that's because they have quality control to some degree. The admin is controlling and obsessive, and that leads to a DM shortage, but I'd rather have too few DMs than good coverage of DMs giving out rape potions
<+Seraphis_Set> Fuck, they're pragmatists at worse.
<@Lira> Oh jesus, "scales with their vision"
<@Lira> Let's not use marketing speak here
<Sankis> oh come now
<+Seraphis_Set> That's not marketing BS.
<Sankis> they're only using NWN1 because it's so easy to make shit with
<@Lira> ^^
<Sankis> even though its because its from 2002 and looks horrible
<+Seraphis_Set> They want a game where players can build towns and shape ...
<+Seraphis_Set> EFB
<+Seraphis_Set> That's exactly the point.
<@Lira> And because Proto told them to fuck off.
<+Seraphis_Set> Ahahaha
<Sankis> Well no
<Sankis> Proto probably just fucked off.
<Sankis> He's not reliable at all.
<+Seraphis_Set> Lira, you are trollin' me hard.
<Commoners> <DarkWyvern> I dunno what I'm going to make yet. Since its a "prisoner" theme. Can I make a drow? >:)
<+Seraphis_Set> Lollll
<@Lira> goddamnit darkwyvern
<Commoners> i'm gonna make an elf
<Commoners> that rampantly murders all drow
<+Seraphis_Set> How can you not want to see DW crash and burn yet again?
<Sankis> I'm gonna make an elf who only talks in elvish wirth other elves
<Commoners> I'm going to make a french accent elf
<CombatWombat> gonna make a drow
<CombatWombat> who is basically Andy from Shawshank Redemption
<+Seraphis_Set> Let me turn this around a minute Lira, what would you want to see from a team of guys putting together a NWN1 server that they hope has a fairly active playerbase for a few months?
<+Seraphis_Set> Andy D'Fres'ne
<@Lira> First, I don't approve of using NWN1 at all if you can get a decent builder, which should be at the heart of your team in the first place.
<+Seraphis_Set> ...
<@Lira> But setting that objection aside and focusing on NWN1
<+Seraphis_Set> For someone who's been all about narrative for the what, two almost three months I've known him, that sure is moving the goalposts.
<@Lira> You have in fact *played* with the NWN1 engine, yes?
<+Seraphis_Set> Yeah
<+Seraphis_Set> You play dorf fortress, I don't want to hear it.
<@Lira> It is almost physically painful to use on the player end, especially as a caster.
<@Lira> DF's interface is also trash, no question
<@Lira> But there's no alternative to it
<+Seraphis_Set> And what's the alternative, NWN2?
<+Seraphis_Set> Hell, at least DMing isn't exquisite torture.
<@Lira> I'd rather have the DMs suffer than the players.
<+Seraphis_Set> And people can work with graphical limitations so long as the gameplay is engaging.
<@Lira> DMs are already masochists
<@Lira> Anyway, why "for a few months" ?
<@Lira> Is sustainability not a design goal?
<+Seraphis_Set> Hell ALFA is de riguer right now and the one consistent comment is that the lag is unbearable.
<Ook> lag is actually gone now that they switched servers
<+Seraphis_Set> NWN2 is a cosmetic improvement and not much better in any other sense.
<Ook> (ALFA is still a terrible server)
<@Lira> I played plenty of NWN1 back in the day, on PVP servers and such. I'm familiar with how bad the interface is. Just sayin'.
<+Seraphis_Set> I have to confess my shock here Lira.
<Ook> I like a lot of things about nwn1 interface, it's a shame they didn't take the good stuff for nwn2
<+Seraphis_Set> For someone who espouses game theory as gospel and insists that the player narrative is paramount, your arguments amount to piddling about a game engine.
<Sankis> Damnit.
<@Lira> We can get into some really crazy analogies and such here, but what it boils down to is that the NWN1 engine is, for players, incredibly terrible in ways that NWN2 could only aspire to.
<Sankis> If i want sankis dot com back I have to reupload everything
<Sankis> ugh
<Sankis> UGH
<Ook> the dream is dead sankis
<+Seraphis_Set> You have get to define what you're referring to other than draw distance.