zwei on hitler

[02:41:44] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> (We should probably skip to the part where Liese finally comes back :V)
[02:41:57] <Jordan_Tenko> Zwei is afk
[02:42:01] <Jordan_Tenko> she'll be back
[02:42:53] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I see.
[02:44:59] <Liese_Brandt> was investigating suspicious smoke smell for fires
[02:45:02] <Liese_Brandt> Found cigars
[02:45:19] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Guessing your dad smokes cigars?
[02:45:33] <Liese_Brandt> Both of them picked it up from the carribeans
[02:45:38] <Liese_Brandt> incidentally, it was my mother this time
[02:46:38] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I see. Sounds expensive, those cigars
[02:46:51] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> (Also, because you don't see cigars a lot here. Just cigarettes)
[02:47:12] <Liese_Brandt> They only smoke them rarely
[02:47:35] <Ratty_GM> when you go to cuba
[02:47:39] <Ratty_GM> you return a changed person
[02:47:51] <Jordan_Tenko> a communist
[02:47:58] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> None of my parents smoke and my dad only drinks socially.
[02:48:04] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> As expected, I neither drink nor smoke.
[02:48:22] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I am a rather droll person IRL, unfortunately.
[02:48:30] <Ratty_GM> both of my parents smoke, but one a pipe and the other weed
[02:48:42] <Ratty_GM> and both of my sisters smoke
[02:48:52] <Ratty_GM> I don't but cigars are cool
[02:49:12] <Ratty_GM> and art school teaches you all kinds of things really makes you think
[02:49:19] <Jordan_Tenko> Same here, Arvin
[02:49:25] <Liese_Brandt> This entire family drinks wine as much as befits French Canada's association with the word French
[02:49:52] <Liese_Brandt> And I drink vodka straight from the bottle with my honorary russian cred
[02:49:59] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Liese_Brandt - Hey, you're at least partly French, and they're known for having good taste in wine.
[02:50:05] <Liese_Brandt> I'm not, actually
[02:50:16] <Liese_Brandt> My ancestry is supposed to be half irish half scottish highlands
[02:51:10] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I know, just that you live in French Canada and all.
[02:51:17] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Either way, you'd drink me under the table easy.
[02:51:29] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Partly because I don't drink and partly because I'm Asian.
[02:52:01] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Jordan_Tenko - Yeah. I don't like getting drunk, the morning after makes me wish I was dead.
[02:52:27] <Jordan_Tenko> I've never even had a drink.
[02:53:01] <Liese_Brandt> You all suck at living.
[02:53:52] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Why do you think I'm such a dildo all the time? :P
[02:55:10] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> But more to the point, blame my stupidly Conservative country.
[02:55:17] <Jordan_Tenko> I take my lack of alcohol consumption as an indicator that I'm not sucking at living.
[02:55:21] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> And my equally conservative upbringing.
[02:56:58] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Anyway, maybe when I get my own place, I'll start drinking. Still won't smoke though.
[02:57:08] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I tried it once, the nicotine did nothing good for me.
[02:57:20] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Or rather, I didn't feel anything at all. Apart from my lungs burning. :V
[03:00:48] <Liese_Brandt> Never smoke either
[03:01:41] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Yeah, I'm already out of shape as is. No need to make things worse for myself.
[03:21:44] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Kinda like the office coffee maker here. You just push a button and coffee comes out, though it's shitty instant coffee.
[03:22:23] Liese_Brandt twiddles fingers devilishly
[03:38:59] <Liese_Brandt> Since no one made any attempts, I guess I should just say here what the sneaky sneaks were
[03:39:36] <Jordan_Tenko> Eriko, you there?
[03:39:43] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I'm guessing that wise quote was from someone in history?
[03:39:48] <Liese_Brandt> Yuuup
[03:39:55] <Jordan_Tenko> Hitler?
[03:39:56] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Don't quite recall who, sadly.
[03:39:57] <Liese_Brandt> Yup.
[03:40:01] <Jordan_Tenko> I knew it
[03:40:13] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> When though?
[03:40:14] <Liese_Brandt> Pfffff
[03:40:18] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> When he just made Chancellor?
[03:40:28] <Liese_Brandt> It's from Mein Kampf, page 344
[03:40:53] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Ahhh.
[03:41:01] <Liese_Brandt> Which was written in 1923 IIRC
[03:41:01] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> He doesn't really get much attention here.
[03:41:12] <Emiri> european girl looks up to hitler 🤔
[03:41:17] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Fuck, I mean our President said that he was like Hitler towards Drug Dealers.
[03:41:20] <Liese_Brandt> Well to be fair
[03:41:28] <Liese_Brandt> Her grandmother literally met and talked to the guy
[03:41:33] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Which goes to show you how startlingly ignorant most people here about the guy.
[03:41:43] <Emiri> grandmother hated being a nazi :thinkin
[03:41:46] <Emiri> 🤔
[03:42:03] <Liese_Brandt> She did hate the party's xenophobia and needless violence
[03:42:06] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Well, to be fair, Adelind didn't buy into the Nazi Ideology.
[03:42:11] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Not completely, anyway.
[03:42:16] <Emiri> and yet liese looks up to hitler 🤔
[03:42:22] <Emiri> really makes you think 🤔
[03:42:29] <Liese_Brandt> >Looks up
[03:42:31] <Liese_Brandt> Pls
[03:42:42] <Liese_Brandt> It's not because I'm currently reading this book that it makes me a facist
[03:43:03] <Emiri> hmmm 🤔
[03:43:10] <Emiri> it's one thing to read his book but another to quote it
[03:43:24] <Emiri> especially yknow
[03:43:25] <Emiri> if you call him wise
[03:43:33] <Jordan_Tenko> what's the point of reading it if you aren't going to quote it
[03:43:49] <Emiri> that's fair
[03:43:54] <Emiri> but calling him wise yknow
[03:44:06] <Emiri> i'm pretty sure calling someone wise means you kind of look up to them 🤔
[03:44:15] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Liese is anything but conventional.
[03:44:17] <Liese_Brandt> Well, let's give credit where it's due here
[03:44:17] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Putting it simply.
[03:44:27] <Emiri> andshe also looked up to her mom 🤔
[03:44:29] <Liese_Brandt> If you take out all the stupid shit about race and jews out of it
[03:44:32] <Emiri> who was anti-nazi 🤔
[03:44:36] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Hitler was a very good rhetoric, mind.
[03:44:47] <Emiri> sure but liese literally said "a wise man"
[03:44:50] <Liese_Brandt> Then what's left is pretty fucking fascinating
[03:44:50] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> So I wouldn't be surprised if Liese decided to quote the man for the quote's sake.
[03:45:00] Fuyuki_Kagamine shrugs.
[03:45:02] <Emiri> nice
[03:45:10] <Emiri> i just think it's a convenience thing i guess
[03:45:11] <Emiri> oh well
[03:45:36] <Liese_Brandt> He also called 19th century journal-bloggers keyboard warriors a hundred years before ti was cool :V
[03:46:04] <Emiri> that had nothing to do with what i was talkking about
[03:46:08] <Emiri> but cool i guess
[03:46:43] <Liese_Brandt> Another interesting thing is that one of the first things this book talks about is the importance of proper education and reading properly
[03:47:19] <Liese_Brandt> Of which he says it's important, when reading any work, to be able to zero in on the important aspects you can learn from and to ignore the useless and the superfluous
[03:47:40] <Liese_Brandt> Which is an advice I am applying to itself, by ignoring all the race shit :^)
[03:48:30] <Emiri> i also like conveniently ignoring certain points of people for convenience
[03:48:44] <Liese_Brandt> pfffff
[03:48:48] <Ratty_GM> w-what
[03:48:57] <Liese_Brandt> What is it Ratty?
[03:49:11] <Ratty_GM> what is emi ignoring
[03:49:24] <Liese_Brandt> Probably me and Jordan
[03:49:25] <Liese_Brandt> A lot.
[03:49:29] <Ratty_GM> wait are you still talking about Adolf Hitler
[03:49:29] <Emiri> I think Hitler is great, Raty
[03:49:33] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Hitler was just not touched upon here. The Japanese are the bad guys for us.
[03:49:37] <Emiri> Hitler is great, if you forget about the thing about the Jews and stuff
[03:49:40] <Liese_Brandt> Fair enough
[03:49:44] <Emiri> Hitler is great if you ignore all his bad points
[03:49:48] <Emiri> Hahaha!
[03:49:49] <Emiri> Wow!
[03:49:52] <Ratty_GM> he liked dogs
[03:49:55] <Emiri> Everyone is great if you ignore all their bad points!
[03:50:01] <Ratty_GM> people who like dogs cannot possible be bad people
[03:50:04] <Liese_Brandt> It's like people can have good ideas AND bad ideas or something!
[03:50:06] <Ratty_GM> t. Paul von Oberstein
[03:50:08] <Emiri> you're right
[03:50:11] <Emiri> it really makes you think, doesn't it?
[03:50:26] <Ratty_GM> profoundly irks me to reconsider
[03:50:41] <Emiri> So I should just ignore the bad parts about Donald Trump
[03:50:44] <Emiri> Because he has some good points too!
[03:50:48] <Emiri> He can't be a bad person
[03:50:52] <Emiri> Just ignore his bad ideas!
[03:50:54] <Emiri> Trudeau, too!
[03:50:56] <Emiri> And Stalin!
[03:50:58] <Emiri> Wow this is so easy!
[03:51:08] <Emiri> You know, Liese should be forgiving of Jordan
[03:51:09] <Emiri> She has bad ideas
[03:51:14] <Emiri> But if you ignore those, she's all good ideas!
[03:51:19] <Liese_Brandt> Your stance is basically that if someone found a cure for cancer but was a serial killer, then the cure for cancer should be thrown in the garbage because no serial killer could ever do anything good in their enire life.
[03:51:47] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> That's under the caveat that the serial killer would put in the time to find a cure for cancer instead of, y'know, killing people.
[03:51:56] <Emiri> ^
[03:51:56] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> When the latter is more often than not what they're doing.
[03:52:09] <Liese_Brandt> You're ignoring the point here Arvin
[03:52:30] <Jordan_Tenko> what is going on in here
[03:52:49] <Liese_Brandt> Steph got triggered
[03:52:56] <Ratty_GM> people talking sophistry
[03:52:57] <Emiri> Nahhh
[03:52:58] <Jordan_Tenko> Steph pls
[03:52:59] <Liese_Brandt> Because I said not 100% of the stuff in the book was total garbage
[03:53:00] <Emiri> I'm ignoring all bad points about you
[03:53:03] <Emiri> so you're all good points
[03:53:08] <Ratty_GM> wait
[03:53:11] <Emiri> i could never get mad at you
[03:53:37] <Ratty_GM> was the world war one book you've been reading that I thought was Good Solider Švejk in fact mein kampf
[03:53:43] <Ratty_GM> that's kind of amazing
[03:53:51] <Liese_Brandt> Yes
[03:54:03] <Emiri> My point is that if you're going to evaluate someone as wise, that's not the same as saying "he had some bad ideas and some good ideas"
[03:54:11] <Ratty_GM> especially considering both hitler and Švejk are austrians serving in czech army
[03:54:18] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I probably am missing the point, yeah.
[03:54:20] <Liese_Brandt> It was lying in the library for like 2 years and after seeing it like 500 times I eventually got curious
[03:54:38] <Emiri> Anyone can have good ideas
[03:54:52] <Emiri> For example, liberals have some good ideas
[03:55:09] <Emiri> But using violence to deal with difference in ideologies is not a good idea
[03:55:11] <Ratty_GM> but steph
[03:55:21] <Ratty_GM> if you like both liberals and donald trump
[03:55:26] <Ratty_GM> then whom do you dislike
[03:55:35] <Ratty_GM> that's a pickle is it not
[03:55:41] <Emiri> I like everyone, Ratty! Everyone is good! All I have to do is ignore all the bad points about everyone!
[03:55:45] <Emiri> Becuase everyone has good ideas!
[03:55:54] <Emiri> And it's not like people's bad ideas matter a lot, too, right?
[03:55:55] <Emiri> Hahaha!
[03:56:14] <Ratty_GM> what is the purpose of this meta-commentary
[03:56:23] <Liese_Brandt> I consider myself a Humanist-authoritarian anyway, which is a contradiction that makes all the political compass simulators EXPLODE
[03:56:31] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Hitler is not a person one would normally consider to be "wise" or anything remotely positive. :V
[03:56:36] <Ratty_GM> you are trying to really maek me thingk but I don't get what I should be thingken of
[03:56:41] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Well, a typical Westerner, anyway.
[03:56:48] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> That's like saying that Satan has a point.
[03:56:55] <Emiri> But he does
[03:56:57] <Ratty_GM> hitler was a solid leader but was also fairly retarded
[03:56:58] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Which he does, but that doesn't remove the stain of his many sins.
[03:57:00] <Emiri> all you need to do is ignore satan's bad points
[03:57:06] <Ratty_GM> mostly in the sense that he considered himself good at things
[03:57:11] <Ratty_GM> he really wasn't good at
[03:57:13] <Ratty_GM> like warfare
[03:57:21] <Emiri> But just ignore those
[03:57:23] <Emiri> because those are bad points
[03:57:24] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Ratty_GM - Didn't Hitler basically get lucky with his guesses which then made him cocky?
[03:57:29] <Emiri> look only at his good points
[03:57:32] <Emiri> at evaluate him on that
[03:57:36] <Emiri> he's really wise!
[03:57:38] <Liese_Brandt> He has a lot of point while he's rambling about the widespread corruption in the system and institution, which immediately makes me think of the glaring parallels with the problems in government and institutions that are still present to this day.
[03:57:59] <Emiri> But Bernie Sanders also talked about corruption in government!
[03:58:04] <Emiri> Does that mean Bernie Sanders is literally Hitle
[03:58:08] <Emiri> WHOAH
[03:58:09] <Emiri> MIND BLOWN
[03:58:09] <Liese_Brandt> But see
[03:58:14] <Liese_Brandt> That actually works
[03:58:19] <Ratty_GM> Well no, hitler is 18 charisma easy, and he's talking about real issues, and even the jews stuff he was saying for a reason
[03:58:26] <Liese_Brandt> Because Hitler basically predicts Bernie Sander's defeat to Clinton
[03:58:43] <Ratty_GM> but then when he says something something skyths aryans genetics occultism
[03:58:47] <Ratty_GM> he goes full retard
[03:58:50] <Emiri> I can also make a vague prediction
[03:58:54] <Emiri> And it will eventualy come true
[03:59:02] <Liese_Brandt> The ways in which he describes the workings of parliements and politicians pretty much totally mirrors the behavior of the democrats
[03:59:06] <Emiri> Unless he literally said "Bernie sanders will lose to clinton"
[03:59:10] <Emiri> in which case that's something
[03:59:11] <Emiri> a good point
[03:59:16] <Emiri> becuase he can predict the future
[03:59:27] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> No, he just knows human nature.
[03:59:30] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> And how it applies to politics.
[03:59:31] <Emiri> if you can't realize that governments are corrupt without reading mein kampf
[03:59:37] <Emiri> then i thikn that's naive
[03:59:41] <Liese_Brandt> and yeah, the parts about race DO make me go all "come on mate, stop that, you were talking all that good shit 5 pages ago and now you went full retard"
[03:59:45] <Ratty_GM> I would argue adolf hitler knew more about socialism than karl marx did
[03:59:51] <Ratty_GM> that's a good thing I can say about him
[03:59:56] <Jordan_Tenko> is this still going on
[04:00:03] <Liese_Brandt> Steph is super triggered
[04:00:04] <Ratty_GM> he just needed to be assassinated right at the start of the war
[04:00:22] <Ratty_GM> so he wouldn't have an opportunity to start doing completely idiotic things
[04:00:44] <Ratty_GM> well, about how society works, I think
[04:01:09] <Emiri> no i just find it really strange 🤔 that someone whose grandma hated the nazis 🤔 decides to call hitler a wise man 🤔 especially a european girl 🤔
[04:01:19] <Emiri> really makes you think
[04:01:42] <Ratty_GM> I wouldn't call him wise
[04:01:48] <Ratty_GM> he wasn't good for my country
[04:02:00] <Ratty_GM> he was okay for his country, definitely a borderline case
[04:02:13] <Ratty_GM> the people around him really needed to do exactly what you propose
[04:02:17] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> TBH, Zwei, even if Hitler did have good points, his actions have stained those ideas to the point of being completely ruined.
[04:02:18] <Liese_Brandt> Well the quote used is definitely applicable
[04:02:26] <Emiri> i don't care about the quote
[04:02:39] <Liese_Brandt> People who are scared of consequences make for terrible leaders
[04:02:41] <Ratty_GM> surgically remove the effect of all of his bad traits by killing him right as he started to stupid shit
[04:02:51] <Ratty_GM> it's funny because he killed himself
[04:02:51] <Liese_Brandt> and that translates to my biggest flaw throughout this ENTIRE CAMPAIGN
[04:02:56] <Ratty_GM> rather than face responsibility
[04:02:58] <Ratty_GM> hahahaha
[04:03:05] <Ratty_GM> please, zweihart, never read Ayn Rand
[04:03:18] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I don't even anymore.
[04:03:20] <Ratty_GM> or someone, someday, will choke you to death
[04:03:21] <Liese_Brandt> Of not doing things and not taking responsibility because I'm so afraid of fucking up
[04:03:33] <Ratty_GM> deep
[04:03:37] <Liese_Brandt> I literally read this quote earlier today and I felt it was really appropriate
[04:03:57] <Liese_Brandt> Because it WAS really appropriate
[04:04:28] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Should've just left his name out.
[04:04:38] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Because the moment you say Adolf Hitler, all his sins will come to mind.
[04:04:41] <Liese_Brandt> But it was too funneeeeeh
[04:04:58] <Liese_Brandt> I couldn't quotedrop something from mein kampf and ninja away with it
[04:05:11] <Ratty_GM> you can still do it
[04:05:15] <Ratty_GM> you already did it
[04:05:19] <Ratty_GM> you posted the quote
[04:05:25] <Ratty_GM> didn't you
[04:05:28] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> None of us knew where it came from. :V
[04:05:30] <Liese_Brandt> AND READERS WILL NEVER E THE WISER
[04:05:41] <Liese_Brandt> THEY WILL NEVER KNOW
[04:05:48] <Liese_Brandt> Unless they are lv99 History Nerds like me
[04:05:51] <Liese_Brandt> who read this stuff
[04:06:49] <Ratty_GM> or I mention it in the storytime as a joke
[04:06:59] <Liese_Brandt> Do it faggot?
[04:07:01] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> History was my worst subject in High School, unfortunately.
[04:07:12] <Ratty_GM> 'Jordan, who has never read Mein Kampf, dismisses the notion."
[04:07:17] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I just picked up a few things from my two friends who were the History Nerds.
[04:07:24] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I was a Math Nerd
[04:07:25] <Liese_Brandt> History was my best subject because that's where games come from.
[04:07:34] <Liese_Brandt> pffffffff
[04:07:37] <Liese_Brandt> Good one Ratty
[04:08:11] <Liese_Brandt> >Trying to outnumber the Liese
[04:08:16] <Liese_Brandt> Tsk tsk tsk
[04:09:11] <Liese_Brandt> >"For once"
[04:09:14] <Liese_Brandt> You wound me, friend.
[04:10:04] <Liese_Brandt> I like where this heart to heart is going
[04:10:49] <Liese_Brandt> It seems like Fuyuki really is the intermediary those two need to avoid strangling one another
[04:11:53] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Liese_Brandt - Most of the historical games I play were FPSes, so... :V
[04:12:05] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Not really conductive to reading about the bigger picture of WW2 in depth.
[04:12:18] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> And maybe you can make a Freudian Trio joke out of that. :P
[04:12:19] <Liese_Brandt> All the WWII/terrorism shooters are based on history!
[04:12:48] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Yeah, but without the wider context, all you'd have are scattered bits of events with no underlying thread binding them all together.
[04:13:01] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> You'd just be viewing the trees, missing the forest that they're part of.
[04:13:14] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Jordan is definitely the Id though, and Liese probably the Super Ego with Fuyuki as the Ego.
[04:13:24] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> If we use Freudian here.
[04:13:29] <Liese_Brandt> My earliest memorable games were the original Blizzard triefect and the Sid Meiers games
[04:13:51] <Liese_Brandt> So SC1/WC1-2/Diablo1 and Ceaser 3/Pharaoh/Civilisation
[04:14:16] <Liese_Brandt> All games that are either lore heavy or history heavy
[04:14:53] <Liese_Brandt> >love
[04:14:55] <Liese_Brandt> D'awwwww
[04:17:04] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Metal Slug, Call of Duty (The WW2 games), Command and Conquer Generals, Tiberium Sun, Medal of Honor.
[04:17:11] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Some of the earliest games I stll remember playing.
[04:17:17] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Not exactly lore-heavy, those.
[04:17:30] <Ratty_GM> P R E H I S T O R I K 2
[04:17:32] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> And I've already told you how much I suck at EU IV. :P
[04:17:37] <Jordan_Tenko> what
[04:18:15] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> I think I've already to Zwei how I managed to fail EU IV's tutorial when I got Spain invaded by France.
[04:18:17] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> IN THE TUTORIAL
[04:18:30] <Liese_Brandt> Speaking of which, I finally finished my Bradenburg playthrough
[04:18:36] <Liese_Brandt> Also
[04:18:42] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> All I did was send a few doomed expeditions into the New World and next thing I knew, I saw the Defeat screen.
[04:18:45] <Liese_Brandt> >Ratty is using my nickname for the cuntlexus too now
[04:19:15] <Ratty_GM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwH-zXuTyCI let me tell you about video games
[04:19:30] <Liese_Brandt> http://imgur.com/a/153wu
[05:00:15] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> >Date
[05:00:27] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> >Fighting side-by-side against endless waves of Familiars
[05:00:31] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> Typical Jordan
[05:57:59] <Fuyuki_Kagamine> So tomorrow is dealing with Robin?
[06:01:37] <Ratty_GM> or so you think