<-Zero> Also, about it being a chat-only ban, to the moment the discussion continued to the forums, I guess the ban also applies there
<Shroom> actually, remember, that was the case last time, but not this time
last time there was a flame war in an actual thread with noninvolved people being dragged in, but now I only kept the discussions between the relevant persons and didn't drag any regular users into it, not even BY
do you guys really want me to send an official appeal to that e-mail adress?
<-Zero> I unfortunately do not think an appeal can work
You are actually not in that bad of a situation, we could reduce your ban from 6 months to 3. People aren't really willing to give you less than that
The discussion continuing to the forums refers to the PMs you sent Doram
But I'm not really on par with the situation as well as others, so I guess who would know better about this would be Doram
<Shroom> it is 3 months already, apparently
and just because I sent that PM, that's really petty. I sent it only because it was too long for a set of Discord PM (it would have clogged space).
And there was no public thread, no public arguings.
I've said to Ven that in the meanwhile I'm on "passive mode" anyway. I would only want to come back for silent capacities (viewing profiles, rating levels, voting in polls / Runouw Votes), playing forum games, commenting on levels as well as submitting one eventually, and just chilling out.
The chat ban can stay, if people really want that.
Besides, at some point it should also be possible to go down from increasing punishments if there's some time span between them. Which is half a year in this case
<-Zero> Unfortunately, while me and Ven do believe your word, most people still don't
Really, I can't argue for or against anything on that matter
I still need more insight
But for now, my suggestion is that you take your time
I don't think, at the current situation that appealing your ban would do any good
<Shroom> sucks, right
<-Zero> I agree, it sucks
You can always do other stuff not directly related to the site
for example, we can still make a collab while you are banned
just not for the LDC
<Shroom> for the LDC I guess I'm allowed to participate
<-Zero> Actually, you are not, unfortunately
<Shroom> <Venexis> A couple people said that logically there's no reason you shouldn't be allowed to still participate in the LDC, but Rai himself hasn't said anything about it, and nobody is really sure how that would actually work out
<-Zero> How long ago was this?
<Shroom> Tuesday
<-Zero> I have no idea then
Seriously, you don't know how much my head is flying on this whole subject : P
Asked on the staff chat
<Shroom> [inserted Knigge introduction quote]
Anyway, you would actually agree that being banned on the forums brings more damage than benefit to them
even if I'm silent on actual subjects, it would always be good e.g. for new level designers to get some tips
<-Zero> Welp, anyway
I do think holding grudges from either sides aren't going to help anybody
<Shroom> if I actually keep holding grudges, I just don't say it anymore, I rather avoid contact with the people in question completely
that will happen anyway once the 3 months are up
<-Zero> About Raz, just let it go off
In certain situations 2 + 2 might as well be 6, and you have to agree for you to not be seen as "that guy"
<Shroom> what do you mean?
except that 2 + 2 can sometimes also be zero [/mathematical jokes]
<-Zero> Sometimes you may as well be right, but you have to agree with the wrong in order to avoid conflict
Having the reason is not always what matters
So yeah, these are my two cents
take this advice and use it however you want
From what I am seeing, you are probably going to be able to participate in the LDC
<Shroom> well, I'll follow this anyway, I barely have any other choice in fact
<-Zero> Yeah.
<Shroom> yet I'm silently at odds with being banned for too long, in fact
<-Zero> Well, and what can you do now?
<Shroom> just hoping for Ven and his mod status, if anything
two weeks ago he said "I agree that it should go public one way or another, just that there should be no threats of bans or whatever unless something is REALLY deserving it"
and I can't imagine at all that my words are really deserving it in his sense, at least not for such a long time span
he hasn't replied to me since Tuesday morning
<-Zero> I do know why, but I'm not allowed to say anything on the matter anymore
Anyway
What do you think of us making a secret collab
<Shroom> I dunno if it fits into my plan now
I actually want to enter the LDC (I don't really feel like starting once the question isn't clearly settled), and I also want to move a bit ahead with the WITBLO12 Tribute
and of course I also want to catch up with RL
<-Zero> Oh I see
Well, no prob then
We can leave that for another time then
<Shroom> is Ven online, actually?
(I see everyone as idle)
<-Zero> lemme check
yup he is
<Shroom> yeah, why not ask him about what he thinks
he knew the content of my Doram PM as well, and he already said that I wouldn't deserve any more than a month for this
<-Zero> yeah
<Shroom> to quote him, "there's a time and a place for a ban, but there's also a time and place for more rehabilitative measures"
well, good night now