[17:06] <+Solari> according to whom?
[17:06] <+Miriam_work> No Bipel
[17:06] <+JPierre> that is another issue, which honestly Torpius doesn't care
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[17:06] <+Bipel> he never participated in the realm matters
[17:06] <+Solari> jfc
[17:06] <+Solari> you know
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[17:07] <+Miriam_work> he conquered the region all by himself
[17:07] <+Solari> i offered you idiots lordships when you first started
[17:07] <+Solari> and you hitched your cart to the losing horse
[17:07] <+Solari> and look at all the grief it's caused
[17:07] <+JPierreD> grief?
[17:07] <+Bipel> bipel feels that he did not make enought to deserve it
[17:07] <+Bipel> and he thinks that there are some in better position to hold the 2nd duchy
[17:07] <+Solari> JPierreD: would you call the current political climate in LN "comfortable?"
[17:07] <+Miriam_work> so, a priest work is not valuable?
[17:08] <+JPierreD> I repeat: tell me an IC reason for Torpius to switch allegiance, and stop playing the OoC conflict card
[17:08] <+Miriam_work> JP I am saying all  IC
[17:08] <+Solari> there is no valid IC reason to /compel/ Torpius to switch
[17:08] <+Solari> and nobody's playing the OOC card
[17:08] <+JPierreD> no, I mean Solari, Miriam_work
[17:08] <+Solari> i'm suggesting that you're all lying or stupid
[17:08] <+Bipel> me?
[17:08] <+JPierreD> and that is OoC
[17:08] <+Sacha> <Bipel> balint position as duke was temporal
[17:08] <+Bipel> I may me stupid
[17:08] <+Solari> all of you involved, yes
[17:08] <+Sacha> it most certainly wasnt
[17:08] <+D`Este> lol
[17:08] <+Solari> liars, or idiots
[17:08] <+JPierreD> lol
[17:09] <+Bipel> and of course as JPierreD[Away] can tell you when you talk to us, I was very inactive, and almost left the game
[17:09] <+Bipel> I came back a couple month ago
[17:09] <+JPierreD> ok, I ask for the third ((or is it fourth?) time, what IC reason does Torpius have for switching allegiance?
[17:09] <+Bipel> Sacha???
[17:10] <+Solari> test
[17:10] <+Solari> okay
[17:10] <+Solari> a few good reasons why the Judge might take an IC interest in Torpius
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[17:10] <+Solari> he's crippling the recovery of the peninsula
[17:10] <+JPierreD> to avoid a sanction from the Judge then?
[17:10] <+Solari> his obstinacy has a cost, and it can be calculated
[17:10] <+Solari> and let's be honest
[17:10] <+Solari> assuming you're telling the whole truth
[17:10] <+Solari> and we know nobody is
[17:11] <+JPierreD> I guess you don't know the situation to call him obstinate
[17:11] <+Solari> it's perfectly valid to deduce from Torpius' actions that he's trying to strangle Shinnen
[17:11] <+Solari> more valid that piecing together some kind of heresy complex
[17:11] <+Solari> but anyways
[17:11] <+JPierreD> assume what you may, you may call me stupid, but this game (scheming one) does not interest me
[17:12] <+Solari> i'm not actually calling you stupid
[17:12] <+Miriam_work> this is what I am trying to tell Torpius
[17:12] <+Solari> i'm saying that you're either being dishonest about your motives, or you don't actually know what you're fighting about
[17:12] <+Solari> i happen to think you're a very clever player
[17:12] <+Solari> most of you
[17:12] <+Solari> and certainly all of you involved in this spat
[17:13] <+JPierreD> I happen to be fighting only to my feudal right to choose my liege, which coincidentally goes against Balint and for Fulco, indeed
[17:13] <+Solari> so, you can't possibly hope to resolve this if one side has the hidden goal of replacing Balint
[17:13] <+Solari> it's not possible
[17:13] <+Solari> so you can keep shouting at each other with reasons that don't actually address the core problem
[17:13] <+Solari> or you can man up and pull the trigger
[17:13] <+Solari> that goes for both sides
[17:13] <+JPierreD> Balint is not what I consider someone I want to be ruled by, but if Fulco were to raise thee taxes and Balint offered me a sweet deal, I'd probably switch allegiance
[17:13] <+D`Este> yes I want to replace Balint
[17:13] <+Bipel> solari, the core problem s that everyone talks about religion
[17:13] <+JPierreD> right now I have the best of both worlds: the ability to switch at any time, and the lower taxes possible
[17:14] <+D`Este> not that that will change what I said earlier.
[17:14] <+Solari> the only people talking about religion are people using it as a weapon
[17:14] <+JPierreD> Fulco does want to replace Balint and strangle Shinnen, but that is really not my concern, I don't mind if it happens or if it doesnt
[17:14] <+Solari> there has been zero discussion among the elders about Torpius or Balint
[17:14] <+Bipel> and forget that anyone may fell uncomfortable if the duke doesnt even talk to his knights
[17:14] <+JPierreD> because I don't have a reason to protect Balint, and he is useful by opposing Fulco
[17:14] <+Solari> heh
[17:14] <+JPierreD> I don't think I would need to say this, but by being called dishonest I feel like I have to answer
[17:15] <+Solari> so, intentionally or not, Fulco and Torpius are frequently associated with eachother
[17:15] <+Solari> i'd guess that most people with only a vague understanding of events think Torpius is working with Fulco
[17:15] <+D`Este> He better should be after all Fulco gave him!
[17:15] <+D`Este> ;p
[17:16] <+Solari> indeed!
[17:16] <+Solari> okay, i'm done ranting
[17:16] <+Solari> sorry
[17:16] <+Solari> but really
[17:16] <+Solari> knock it off
[17:16] <+Solari> ;p
[17:16] <+D`Este> Even rickhart wants balint gone..
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[17:17] <+D`Este> although he blames fulco for it when he talks to balint
[17:17] <+Solari> then put torpius in his place and let's split shinnen of
[17:17] <+Solari> so poryatown can split off
[17:17] <+D`Este> nobody wants shinnen gone
[17:17] <+Solari> and then we can all hate eachother
[17:17] <+Solari> well, it;
[17:17] <+Solari> it's gonna happen
[17:17] <+D`Este> If its up to PeL yes
[17:17] <+D`Este> else, nope
[17:17] <+Solari> ain't nobody up north going to tolerate a mentally unstable LN
[17:17] <+Solari> or south
[17:17] <+D`Este> Solari, LN is stable
[17:18] <+Solari> you sure?
[17:18] <+D`Este> yes
[17:18] <+Solari> doesn't look it ;p
[17:18] <+D`Este> difference between look and truth
[17:18] <+Solari> it's a pretty big difference to account for
[17:18] <+D`Este> How often does PeL talk to Fulco?
[17:18] <+D`Este> or rickhart, or?
[17:18] <+Solari> rickhart, pretty regularly
[17:19] <+Solari> well, Matt
[17:19] <+Solari> nobody uses the halls
[17:19] * Solari sighs
[17:19] <+D`Este> If those in top dont use it, it will never become something
[17:19] <+D`Este> Rickhart mixed up IC and OoC lately...
[17:20] <+D`Este> accusing fulco of wnting to protest him out...
[17:20] <+Solari> oh, i should build a hall in poryatown
[17:20] <+Solari> rickhart has that info IC
[17:20] <+D`Este> no
[17:20] <+Solari> sure he does
[17:20] <+D`Este> Fulco never said anything about it IC
[17:21] <+Solari> then why is it an issue?
[17:21] <+Solari> oh, right
[17:21] <+D`Este> The only thing fulco said was asking the king to respond
[17:21] <+Solari> though tbh, you complaining about OOC/IC mixing is pretty rich ;p
[17:21] <+D`Este> hm?
[17:21] <+Solari> oh come off it
[17:21] <+Solari> there are two people one does not share sensitive IC info with: dobromir, and d'este
[17:22] <+Solari> this is known
[17:22] <+Solari> i don't have the huge hangup that others do about it, because it's impossible to avoid
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[17:22] <@JPierreD[Away]> bleh
[17:22] <+D`Este> example?
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[17:27] <+D`Este> What action did I do purely based on OOC info?
[17:30] <+Solari> i don't carry examples around
[17:30] <+Solari> that's why i said that it was just taken as common knowledge
[17:30] <+Solari> nobody disputes that dobromir

[17:32] <+D`Este> If you say something about someone, you better come with examples.
[17:32] <+Solari> that's ridiculous
[17:32] <+Solari> i
[17:32] <+D`Este> No
[17:32] <+Solari> you getting all bent out of shape about it isn't helping
[17:32] <+Solari> now you just look defensive ;p
[17:32] <+D`Este> I try to seperate IC and OOC
[17:33] <+D`Este> and if you say I dont, then I want to know when I didnt do it
[17:33] <+Solari> lacking examples to the contrary, i will take you at your word
[17:34] <+Solari> see, this is why we need a bunch of single-city realms
[17:34] <+Solari> as i was saying in another channel
[17:34] <+Solari> <Solari> dwilight is particularly bad for infighting
[17:34] <+Solari> <Solari> especially in the southeast, because we haven't had any neighbors
[17:34] <+Solari> <Solari> that's why it's better for us to split off into single-city realms
[17:35] <+Solari> we should agree as a confederation to not annihilate the other
[17:35] <+Solari> and to band together military against outside aggressors
[17:35] <+Solari> but no banding together against eachother
[17:35] <+Solari> would be nice
[17:36] <+Solari> that doesn't mean no fighting, of course
[17:36] <+Solari> just no prospect of annihilation
[17:36] <+D`Este> pff, PeL will never trust Fulco..
[17:36] <+Solari> that's not true
[17:36] <+Solari> perhaps Malus will write Fulco
[17:36] <+Solari> and Torpius ;p
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[17:43] <+D`Este> you should
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[18:15] <+D`Este> [22:11] <D`Este> You will just sit it out?
[18:15] <+D`Este> [22:12] <Oszero> As if I'm going to say anything
[18:15] <+D`Este> [22:12] <Oszero> we all know ooc is used by your lot
[18:15] <+D`Este> [22:12] <D`Este> my lot and what ooc knowlegde?
[18:15] <+D`Este> cool.
[18:19] <+Solari> :/
[18:20] <+Solari> hurt feelings and irc are not a good mix
[18:20] <+D`Este> and he refuses to say me whats about
[18:20] <+Solari> that's because none of you trust eachother
[18:20] <+Solari> that's why Matt and I have been so maniacal about being "for the realm"
[18:21] <+Solari> there's a fine line between fun and interminable cesspool of infighting
[18:21] <+Solari> and, this is just my personal hypothesis, i think you have to completely crush the divisions first
[18:21] <@JPierre> indeed, but a fair dose dose of fighting is also healthy
[18:21] <+Solari> and then allow them to blossom into rivalries and whatnot
[18:21] <+Solari> of course
[18:21] <+Solari> the trick is making it sustainable and fun
[18:22] <+D`Este> If people keep accusing me of OOC stuff its kinda hard to end the division eh?
[18:22] <@JPierre> well, it won't always be fun for everyone
[18:22] <+Solari> i have no problem saying that nobody's character is going to be ruined by me, IC or OOC
[18:22] <+Solari> that's not fun
[18:22] <@JPierre> losing is not always fun
[18:22] <+Solari> especially if i plan on playing with that person again
[18:22] <@JPierre> indeed, makes sense
[18:22] <+Solari> we've had too many scorched earth vendettas in luria
[18:23] <+Solari> long memories and short tempers
[18:23] <+Sacha> i have no problem saying i will destroy fulco, but i'll still play with d'este elsewhere :P
[18:23] <+D`Este> ;p
[18:23] <+Solari> i rather like d'este
[18:23] <+Solari> tbh, i haven't had enough interaction with fulco
[18:23] <+Solari> what i do know IC leads me to suspect he's overly paranoid and vengeful
[18:24] <+Solari> but then, so are all of sacha's characters
[18:24] <+Sacha> roderic isnt particularly vengeful
[18:25] <+Sacha> geuri isnt on a personal level, but he'll gladly settle scores for other capets
[18:25] <+Sacha> he ony has one personal vendetta and thats with a guy who tortured him 3 times
[18:26] <+Solari> gueri has been deported from two continents in as many months
[18:26] <+Sacha> sebastian is honor-bound to avenge his father, of course
[18:26] <+Sacha> anyway, bedtiems for me
[18:27] <+D`Este> work tomorrows?
[18:27] <+Sacha> gotta leave at 5am -_-
[18:27] <+D`Este> ;/
[18:28] <+Sacha> but, every other week i can sleep til noon so there's that
[18:28] <+Solari> ew
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[18:28] <+Sacha> and, of course, in the early shifts i get off work at 2pm
[18:29] <+Sacha> plus its not like i have to work my fingers to the bone
[18:29] <+Sacha> i worked at a leisurly pace today and still finished before 1pm
[18:29] <+Sacha> then took a 1 hour smoke break xD
[18:29] <+D`Este> ;p nice
[18:29] <+Miriam> :)
[18:30] <+Sacha> 121% productivity rate, suckas
[18:30] <+D`Este> My boss gave me permission to work from home >.>
[18:30] <+Sacha> im blue collar, i dont have that luxury :P

[18:31] <+D`Este> Time to make promotion!
[18:31] <+Miriam> so you like the new-old job
[18:31] <+Sacha> im probably one of the very few blue collar workers in BM
[18:31] <+Sacha> everyone else either has a desk job or is still studying
[18:31] <+Sacha> for a desk job
[18:32] <+D`Este> Likely yes
[18:32] <+Sacha> but, when you all have burn-outs before age 40, i'll be the one laughing
[18:32] <+Sacha> ha ha!
[18:32] <+D`Este> With a body who had the best..
[18:33] <+Sacha> maybe if i was a coal miner
[18:35] <+Sacha> also, when the zombies strike i will have an arsenal of makeshift weapons
[18:36] <+Sacha> caged forklifts, crowbars, steel pipes, nailguns, the works
[18:36] <+D`Este> I will just design an uber strong fortress!
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[18:36] <+Sacha> good luck fighting off the undead hordes with your letter openers and paper weights
[18:36] <+Oszero> Just a quick little thing guys
[18:36] <+D`Este> and other stuff you can find at a construction site
[18:36] <+Oszero> just because I don't talk to the realm
[18:36] <+Sacha> D`Este, i can actually /build/ the fortress :P
[18:36] <+Oszero> doesn't mean I'm not active
[18:36] <+D`Este> I will have people working for me wo an
[18:36] <+D`Este> who can*
[18:37] <+Oszero> so don't try and pull the activity bullshit
[18:37] <+Sacha> they'll all be with me
[18:37] <+Sacha> cause i have the forklift of doom
[18:37] <+D`Este> Oszero, you don't talk to the realm for the wrong reasons.
[18:37] <+D`Este> And letters are the only signs of activity a realm gets.
[18:37] <+Sacha> you guys are assholes btw
[18:38] <+Sacha> i need sleep and you just made me light a cigarette
[18:38] <+D`Este> ;p
[18:38] <+D`Este> Just sleep at work
[18:38] <+Sacha> none of you can seek refuge in my zombie shelter
[18:38] <+Sacha> except Miriam
[18:38] <+Oszero> and?
[18:38] <+Oszero> Activity is never to be taken into account
[18:38] <+Oszero> ever
[18:38] <+Oszero> read the damn rules
[18:39] <+D`Este> It does when a duke has tasks and he doesnt do it
[18:39] <+Sacha> OOC inactivity, no

[18:39] <+Oszero> What tasks?
[18:39] <+Sacha> IC inactivity is not so black and white
[18:39] <+Oszero> he has one region
[18:39] <+D`Este> Like talk to others and expand his freaking duchy
[18:39] <+Oszero> yes, by talking to an obvious ooc and ic brownnoser of Fulco/you
[18:39] <+D`Este> once again, examples.
[18:40] <+Oszero> You need examples of Torpius being a brown nose
[18:40] <+Oszero> bloody hell
[18:40] <+D`Este> you accuse me that I mix Ic and OOC
[18:40] <+D`Este> I want to know what
[18:40] <+Oszero> Well me apparenbtly calling Torpius a heretic
[18:41] <+Oszero> and calling his new religion heretical
[18:41] <+D`Este> I never said anything on the topic.
[18:41] <+Oszero> never once have i ever mentioned that IC
[18:41] <+D`Este> that was rickhart
[18:41] <+Oszero> from an accusation
[18:41] <+Oszero> made by someone else
[18:41] <+D`Este> rickhart also accused fulco of planning to get rid of him, something I only said on irc
[18:42] <+Sacha> its not a stretch to accuse him of that IC
[18:42] <+Oszero> not at all
[18:42] <+Sacha> fulco is the only one to have assisted in deposing two elected lurian rulers :P
[18:42] <+Oszero> everyone with half a braincell knows that
[18:42] <+Oszero> since his puppet didnt make king
[18:43] <+Sacha> and now bedtiems for real
[18:43] <+Oszero> gn dood
[18:43] <+D`Este> So, because I ddint say anything on the subjects I mix IC and OOC
[18:43] <+Oszero> h give it a rest
[18:43] <+Oszero> *oh
[18:43] <+Oszero> all of you
[18:43] <+Oszero> good job making BM a chore
[18:44] <+Oszero> people like you suck the fun out of this game
[18:44] <+Bipel> OMG! Hehe
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[18:47] <+D`Este> Says mister im going to ignore all of you, because I cant convince the king to support me..
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[18:48] <+Bipel> hey D`Este is there fun in being mute?
[18:49] <+D`Este> He makes his own situation just worse

[18:49] <+Bipel> because its the 1st time i see him in here?
[18:49] <+D`Este> He is more often at IRC, just never hangs out here
[18:50] <+D`Este> ever since the rebellion against amaury i think
[18:50] <+D`Este> Prob because I dont spell everything out in letters like others do I play OOC..
[18:50] <+Bipel> oh ok, I dont know of all this fights
[18:51] <+Bipel> I new on this game
[19:17] <+Solari> I don't think that's where he's coming from
[19:18] <+Solari> dean doesn't mind sharing with me
[19:19] <+D`Este> Where you think he is coming from?
[19:19] <+Solari> dean is convinced, IC and OOC, that he is being shafted by a combo of fulco's inability to share power and torpius' desire for a duchy and irrational concern for pyrism
[19:19] <+Solari> his interpretation of events has merit, just like yours
[19:19] <+Solari> nobody trusts anyone, of course
[19:20] <+Solari> you're all going to lose in this
[19:20] <+D`Este> I lost my fun for one.
[19:21] <+Solari> it would do everyone well to have, if not a separate realm out of shinnen then at least a proper duchy
[19:21] <+Solari> true statement:
[19:22] <+Solari> i advised dean to contact torpius and solve every demand he had fairly and generously
[19:22] <+Solari> eliminate every excuse, he would have said
[19:23] <+D`Este> Then it would do well for Balint to remember what I said 2-3 weeks ago IC, that I would letour king decide if he is the legimate duke or not. And to remember that nothing comes out of nothing. He could contact people for food or after he got the kings support ask Fulco about a redivision of regions.
[19:23] <+Solari> malus has been arguing for pyrism against ramiel
[19:24] <+Solari> it sets a very serious precedent to give people a way to depose of dukes, and in the SMA sense, that easily
[19:24] <+D`Este> He can't expect that out of the blue after a comment Fulco tells his till then loyal nobles to join a different lord, while his status as duke is still unconfimered.
[19:24] <+Solari> we would all be better players for remembering thqt
[19:25] <+Solari> why would fulco do that?
[19:25] <+D`Este> You are refrering to?
[19:25] <+Solari> loyal nobles join etc
[19:26] <+D`Este> Well, that's what balint requested, that Shinnen would need to get regions because of the location on the map
[19:27] <+Solari> so balint requested what, exactly
[19:28] <+Bipel> everything and gave nothing
[19:28] <+Solari> ...
[19:28] <+Solari> okay, but I'm not asking you
[19:28] <+D`Este> it started like this
[19:28] <+Solari> I understand your position ;p
[19:29] <+D`Este> new estate system
[19:29] <+Bipel> haha you are mean
[19:29] <+D`Este> LN was going to take many more regions
[19:29] <+D`Este> I wrote a letter to the realm, stating that those interested in a lordship should contact both king rickhart as myself
[19:29] <+Solari> why should they only contact you?
[19:29] <+D`Este> balint responded on it, why those nobles should contact him, as the regions would be part of shinnen
[19:30] <+D`Este> I responded that the regions would join the duchy of giask once taken, and that I wasnt sureabout his position as duke, as amaury told me it was only temp position as mattias would become duke after
[19:30] <+D`Este> balint said it was a perm dukeship
[19:31] <+D`Este> I said, let the king decide
[19:31] <+D`Este> and then nothing coz rickhart was inactive
[19:31] <+Solari> may I interject?
[19:31] <+Solari> (not rhetorical)
[19:31] <+D`Este> and then rickhart and torpius started the show
[19:32] <+Solari> ok
[19:32] <+Solari> at the time, what duchy was SP part of?
[19:32] <+D`Este> giask
[19:32] <+Solari> ok
[19:32] <+D`Este> alyways have been
[19:33] <+Solari> so, you can understand balint's position, if explained from his perspective
[19:34] <+Solari> a duke who has attacked his legitimacy, and continues to do so while appealing for a decision
[19:34] <+Solari> also seriously suggesting that LN could work with every region but shinnen being part of one duchy?
[19:34] <+D`Este> It would work, but it's not what I want
[19:35] <+Solari> he was right to assume the regions because it's comment sense
[19:35] <+Solari> we, common
[19:35] <+D`Este> I wouldnt protest when certain regions join shinnen based on the map
[19:35] <+D`Este> Just, he has to contat people for it
[19:35] <+Solari> ...
[19:35] <+D`Este> Did Corpus join Poryatown without a letter exchanged?
[19:35] <+Solari> if OG wants to leave your duchy, what would you say?
[19:36] <+Solari> why should Balint need to ask the duke who's literally holding him hostage?
[19:36] <+Solari> he'd ask torpius, if anything
[19:36] <+D`Este> Im not saying Balint should contact me for SP, he should talk with torpius
[19:36] <+Solari> if torpius appears unreasonable all the while fulco is being, let's face it, a prick
[19:36] <+D`Este> if he cant work things out with torpius, he could contact fulco for help
[19:37] <+Solari> fulco won't help him!
[19:37] <+D`Este> Balint never asked Fulco for food or anything.
[19:37] <+Solari> otherwise, he'd stop questioning his legitmacy
[19:37] <+Solari> among other things
[19:37] <+D`Este> All Fulco wants is the king to say, Fulco, balint is t never asked Fulco for food or anything.
[19:37] <+Solari> otherwise, he'd stop questioning his legitmacy
[19:37] <+Solari> among other things
[19:37] <+D`Este> All Fulco wants is the king to say, Fulco, balint is the legimate duke.
[19:37] <+Solari> are you playing fulco this way, or do you not understand?
[19:38] <+D`Este> play
[19:38] <+Solari> ok
[19:38] <+Solari> whew
[19:38] <+Solari> i was beginning to think you were just a giant ass
[19:38] <+D`Este> But if I suddenly change my approach IC to make everything fun, its because of OOC reasons.
[19:39] <+Solari> i think shinnen's situation is unique in that geography required taking the town first
[19:39] <+Solari> and so a duke, or even just a dick marquis, can wield almost abusive power
[19:39] <+Solari> decency should have won out here, but w/e that ship sailed
[19:40] <+Solari> you guys should either make this quick, or patch it up
[19:40] <+Solari> it's todic
[19:41] <+D`Este> If balint doesnt respond IC, it cant be solved
[19:41] <+Solari> he feels like his confidence was betrayed
[19:41] <+Solari> that can actually be proven, but nobody's gone that route
[19:42] <+D`Este> because rickhart mixed things up, he blames it all on others.
[19:43] <+D`Este> Anyway.
[19:43] <+Solari> the courteous thing to do would be to assume balint's legitimacy until the king says otherwise
[19:44] <+D`Este> I'm not going to suddenly write letters to help balint get Sp and other regions because of this OOC convo
[19:44] <+Solari> not presume his illegitimacy until the king /affirms/ it
[19:44] <+Solari> which is what fulco's doing
[19:44] <+Solari> has been all along
[19:44] <+Solari> easy to see why dean's avoiding
[19:44] <+Solari> or giving up, w/e
[19:45] <+D`Este> True, as to fulco it always seemed since the day balint rtoéd the region as a temp duke
[19:45] <+Solari> the game tells you that the title is everything
[19:45] <+Solari> it specifically warns you as a player against belittling it
[19:46] <+D`Este> and since that time he hasn't made an effort to be a duke till 3 weeks ago
[19:46] <+Solari> that's why easily dismissing titles and claims is discouraged
[19:46] <+Solari> it doesn't matter
[19:46] <+Solari> you've been idle too
[19:46] <+Solari> jake is idle all the time
[19:47] <+Solari> sometimes you need a break but know you can't quit it
[19:47] <+D`Este> Ok, what Balint should do is:
[19:47] <+Solari> juat one more hit

[19:47] <+D`Este> Talk to Torpius
[19:47] <+Solari> ohhhhh yeaaaaj
[19:47] <+D`Este> Talk to rickhart
[19:47] <+Solari> yeah
[19:47] <+D`Este> And if he cant work things out with torpius, talk with Fulco
[19:48] <+D`Este> and once he has SP, it would prob be wise to talk with fulco anyway..
[19:49] <+D`Este> I'm willing to ignore the legimate/illegimate, coz of OOC reason, just he needs to start doingsomething.
[19:50] <+Solari> that's fair
[19:50] <+Solari> and true
[19:50] <+Solari> it's not helping him to be lazy
[19:50] <+Solari> lazy IC, but not OOC