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  1. Randall Simun Could you, for the sake of us Ill informed readers, please supply a list of news organizations that you'd say are "real."
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  5. Steve Alexander Rare to find an outlet without bias, typically better to go straight to the horse's mouth. Listening to congressional testimonies for example. In this case we could look at the study they cite and see if it was peer-reviewed and what their polling methods were.
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  9. Randall Simun Did you do that?
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  13. Steve Alexander Washington Post was a real left-leaning newspaper with obituaries and classifieds, but it was going out of business. Jeff Bezos bought the paper before he knew the price. He proceeded to hire Podesta and push out buzzfeed style articles while monopolizing on the prior papers brand identity.
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  17. Randall Simun I asked, before you shouted a blanket "fake news", did you do your own fact checking as you suggested the rest of us do above?
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  21. Randall Simun Or did you bray "fake news" like an ass without doing the due diligence you think the rest of us should perform?
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  25. Steve Alexander yes actually, washington post mis-characterizes the findings of the report they cite
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  29. Randall Simun How so? By the rubric of household income it stands up to scrutiny.
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  33. Steve Alexander they talk about the general election then cite data from the primaries
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  37. Steve Alexander and its not surprising that primary voters would be more affluent than your general election voters, the same is probably true of democrat primaries too
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  41. Randall Simun It's representative data of his electorate. You could also use that data based on how much of the primary vote that went for Republicans then went to Trump (as opposed to I guess Johnson). It's a logical conclusion to say that the financial standing of the electorate that voted republican in the primary would be the same in the general.
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  45. Steve Alexander but its not what they said in their headline, and people like you and dean share this sort of thing without even looking twice
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  49. Randall Simun There may be a margin of error but the article supports a 66% vs 33% financial split.
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  53. Randall Simun So really your reactionary shout of fake news isn't all that founded. Just the knee jerk reaction of the right.
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  57. Steve Alexander In the primary phase. Which is a mischaracterization. Then later on they cite an NBC user poll which would inherently be biased to democrats.
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  61. Randall Simun So because all sources contain "fake news" any news can be deemed fake when convenient?
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  65. Steve Alexander yes, any editorial based on bad data can be thrown out immediately
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  69. Randall Simun You're using "bad data" in the same way you use "fake news." You don't agree with the findings so it's wrong.
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  73. Steve Alexander no, the findings are biased and polling method is non scientific
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  77. Steve Alexander on the contrary it looks like youre willing to believe bad data if it supports your viewpoint
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  81. Randall Simun How are they biased exactly?
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  85. Randall Simun And no, I was quite willing to believe uneducated white working poor were to blame for Trump. This is surprising to me.
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  89. Steve Alexander You're wrong more often than you'd think :)
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  93. Randall Simun So then the article is correct in it's findings? Or were you just trying to take an easy dig without any real information about my stances?
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  97. Steve Alexander no, youre just wrong twice
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  101. Randall Simun And, even if the case can be made that in some labyrinth manner there may be some bias in polling (which there is in any poll) why not make that? Why not make the reasoned (if incorrect) assertion instead of pulling down your drawers and shitting "fake news" in the comments?
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  105. Steve Alexander you can drink as much fakenews kool aid as you want, but most people care about authenticity and journalistic integrity
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  109. Randall Simun So you'll just keep rolling on by that with an insult instead of owning up to shouting fake news without making a point as to why.
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  111. Cool stuff man. I guess I'll just have to rely on reputable sources for my information while being able to draw logical conclusions and, you know, think things out. ...See More
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  115. Steve Alexander public faith in the mainstream media is at an all-time low, youre in the minority
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  119. Randall Simun 71% of republican voters don't have a college education. I read that somewhere. I guess if you can't think critically it's easier to listen to an authoritarian figure then read the news.
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  123. Randall Simun And being in the minority or majority has never been the litmus test for what is right.
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  127. Steve Alexander I think you made that number up, cite your data. Ironic that you'd do that in the midst of a conversation about data integrity
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  131. Randall Simun It's from the article. You know. The ones we're talking about. That you read and are refuting.
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  135. Steve Alexander exactly, you played yourself
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  139. Randall Simun Exactly what? Son if you're going to make a definitive statement make sure you get around to the point. I assumed you read the article and took in the content. Maybe I'm wrong there. Next time I'll be sure to say "and this number is taken directly from the article we're talking about" just in case you missed a few key points.
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  143. Randall Simun This has been fun. Maybe do this next time. I've got no problem disagreeing with you. At least you're trying to make a point.
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  145. But that fake news shit is for children. Or the President. And I don't think you're either.
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  149. Steve Alexander I gave you direct examples of how the wapo editorial misrepresents data and then goes on to cite an NBC non-scientific poll without mentioning they've switched sources
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  153. Randall Simun Sure you did pal. After I said "why you gotta shout fake news like a toddler."
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  155. So open with your defense next time. ...See More
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  159. Steve Alexander Saying im wrong doesnt make me wrong :) I proved that wapo showed poor journalistic integrity with their methods.
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  163. Randall Simun I refuted that point by point boyo. You assumed blanket bias by NBC with no founding and applied it to one poll. And your primary/general assertion was simple to get around with pretty basic stat ruling and logic.
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  165. You're using your bias to find fault...See More
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  169. Steve Alexander Thanks for your opinion mate, still doesnt change that this article is fake, biased, and simply bad journalism.
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  173. Randall Simun I know man. I don't like it when I disagree with statistics either. It's rough.
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  176. Dean Beyma
  177. Dean Beyma Fake news dump.
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  179. https://fivethirtyeight.com/.../the-mythology-of-trumps.../...See More
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  181. The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support
  182. FIVETHIRTYEIGHT.COM|BY NATE SILVER
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  186. Steve Alexander https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fivethirtyeight/
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  188. FiveThirtyEight
  189. LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often…
  190. MEDIABIASFACTCHECK.COM
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  193. Dean Beyma
  194. Dean Beyma Right, so fake news. Totally false. The exact opposite must be true instead. Sad. #MAGA
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  198. Steve Alexander 👍
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  202. Tom Beyma This should have ended when you suggested he do research you didn't do. Then it really should have ended before you stated that although you think Democrats don't do research or have credible sources... You don't do research or have credible sources. Y...See More
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  206. Steve Alexander The burden of proof lies with the claimant Tom. Also, I never suggested that "democrats dont do research or have credible sources." Instead I claimed that the article at hand was fake news - which it is. I then showed why its fake news with examples and explanation. I then went on to explain the history of Washington Post and why its so clearly a trashy organization masquerading as a newspaper with integrity.
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  210. Tom Beyma Dear god don't expect me to rationalize that.
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  212. I am smart enough to read an article and dissect bias. Don't expect me to not read the news....See More
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  216. Steve Alexander Not surprised :P
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  220. Tom Beyma You're basically making an argument that we should only get our news from the president. I don't want to rationalize that or see a reason to. It's not really an opposing viewpoint setting... That's fascism. If I have to keep following and filtering "the fake media" so I can get local and state news then I'm gonna fight that fight. You suggest I shouldn't follow mainstream media and should just listen to politicians.... What is this, 1984?
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  224. Steve Alexander That's not at all what I said so I'll let your accusation fall on its own merit. If you want to talk about Fascism, I'd love to discuss that with you! You might be surprised to know that fascism is a product of left-wing politics!
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