20:29] <auxy> and I'm sick to death of talking about it
[20:29] <LunarEclipse120> I actually agree with that
[20:29] <Aldem> Or just buy a pre-built PC
[20:30] <Aldem> iF YOU DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THE SPECS
[20:30] <Aldem> Ooops
[20:30] <LunarEclipse120> Aldem: Ehh, don't say that, it's like saying voldemort
[20:30] <Aldem> Caps, sorry
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[20:30] <bparker> women.
[20:30] <LunarEclipse120> It can get people angry
[20:30] <Aldem> LunarEclipse120: Meh
[20:30] <kazdax> i installed my drivers..and the harddisk was working perfectly
[20:30] <LunarEclipse120> lol
[20:30] <kazdax> but now yet again its come back to the point where if i play video or try and diwnload something..the disk usage is 100 percent
[20:31] <Aldem> vanessaTL: What do you want to do with that computer ?
[20:31] <LunarEclipse120> kazdax: Hard disks don't require drivers. And is it a SSD or HDD?
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[20:31] <Aldem> vanessaTL: Gaming ? Work ? Just mail and web ?
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[20:31] <kazdax> HDD ..the drivers was for the mobo
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[20:31] <Aldem> Oh well
[20:31] <kazdax> and it helped solve the problem but the problem came back
[20:31] <Aldem> You scared her lol
[20:31] <LunarEclipse120> kazdax: Try updating the motherboard drivers. Probably won't help
[20:31] <kazdax> i havnt updated the bios
[20:32] <LunarEclipse120> Wonder why CPU usage is it 100% whenever I open task manager
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[20:32] <Aldem> kazdax: Sorry, what's the issue ?
[20:32] <kazdax> yesterday i bought the problem forward and someone told me to install the drivers of the mobo
[20:32] <LunarEclipse120> kazdax: My HDD always ran at 100% until I got an SSD. What was the main offender
[20:32] <LunarEclipse120> kazdax: They probably told you that because it's always good to do so
[20:33] <kazdax> and it worked ..till the problem again came back..when ever i try and download something or play a youtube or netflix ..the disk usage goes to 100 percent
[20:33] <LunarEclipse120> kazdax: Maybe because it's maxing out it's speed while downloading
[20:33] <Aldem> Tried the firmware ?
[20:33] <kazdax> so when ever it writes to the disk ..the disk usage is 100
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[20:33] <kazdax> yea the firmware is the latest
[20:34] <kazdax> lunar this dint happen before ..i mean it used to work just right..now its lagging the system
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[20:34] <kazdax> the instaltion of the drivers ofr the mobo helped for a while
[20:34] <kazdax> then it started acting up again
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[20:34] <Aldem> kazdax: Try to tell when the problem start to happen what what change you did to the system at the same time
[20:34] <Aldem> Or try a restore point if the problem is on the software side
[20:35] <kazdax> i dint do any change to the system
[20:35] <Aldem> Did you check the SMART data ?
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[20:36] <kazdax> yea it seems normal
[20:36] <kazdax> i did a fast scan
[20:36] <Aldem> Try HDtune
[20:36] <kazdax> i wanted to play half life 2 while i was drunk .this problem just persists
[20:40] <kazdax> should i do a error scan with HDtune ?
[20:40] <Aldem> Yeah
[20:40] <Aldem> Best would be to do a full scan, but it takes time
[20:41] <kazdax> how do i do that ?
[20:42] <Aldem> Oh, new version
[20:42] <Aldem> Just not check quick scan
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[20:42] <Aldem> Been a while since I've last used HDtune
[20:43] <kazdax> its working now
[20:45] <Aldem> Best would be not to do anything else at the same time
[20:46] <kazdax> ok
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[20:46] <kazdax> if its not an error what next do i do ?
[20:47] <kazdax> do you think its a bios problem ?
[20:47] <kazdax> my bios is of 2012
[20:47] <Aldem> I'm not sure
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[20:51] <kazdax> its odd because after the driver installation it worked fine
[20:51] <kazdax> then came back to its normal behaviour
[20:52] <kazdax> i mean it started spiking
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[20:54] <Aldem> What is your power settings in windows ?
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[20:58] <kazdax> pc never sleeps
[20:58] <kazdax> hte monitor sleeps after 20 mminute
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[21:14] <vanessaTL> Star2016: no, i haven't built a pc yet
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[21:16] <vanessaTL> Star2016: but a PC of a million parts begin with one step, which i've accomplished by buying a CPU. lol
[21:17] <vanessaTL> auxy, could you refer me to someone like you (cue Adele's song. Lol.)
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[21:19] <auxy> no
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[21:31] <vanessaTL> i guess i didn't make it explicit, but one reason for my cost-cutting madness has to do with customs.
[21:31] <vanessaTL> i'm trying to see if i can my shopping list under $615 (shipping and taxes could go over this figure)
[21:31] <vanessaTL> *can __get__ my
[21:31] <vanessaTL> because then i wouldn't have to pay customs/duties/taxes when i import from the US to my country
[21:31] <vanessaTL> With my i3-6100 purchase, that leaves $500
[21:31] <vanessaTL> ... for some motherboard, 650W PSU, 2x8GB RAM, and 60 GB SSD.
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[21:33] <bparker> vanessaTL: you don't have to ship everything in one package...
[21:34] <bparker> shipping a PC case in general is kinda stupid
[21:34] <bparker> just buy it when you get to the other country and put the other parts in it
[21:34] <bparker> save a ton of money
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[21:34] <bparker> it's the biggest/heaviest thing by far
[21:36] <vanessaTL> bparker: i'm not buying a case. i already have one. Pics of my space-age case are here: http://imgur.com/a/v6s5r.
[21:36] <vanessaTL> bparker: i should make it clear. I'm not buying from US online sores and giving them my address. I give them an address in the USA. I then go to the US and pick up and take the items with me.
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[21:39] <Rikairchy> why do all that mess
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[21:40] <vanessaTL> Rikairchy: who me?
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[21:42] <bparker> old ass lian li with floppy drive = space age?
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[21:42] <Rikairchy> yeah
[21:43] <Yuken> buying next month, wish me luck ilu. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2Gxs6h
[21:43] <Rikairchy> just gut it and buy a case
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[21:44] <vanessaTL> Rikairchy: huh? just got what? and why would you suggest i buy a case when i already have one?
[21:44] <vanessaTL> *just _gut_ what?
[21:44] <vanessaTL> Yuken: all the best.
[21:44] <Rikairchy> are you flying with it or shipping it
[21:44] <vanessaTL> Rikairchy: driving
[21:44] <Rikairchy> ohh, I thought you were shipping
[21:44] <Amarande> bparker: heh, old ass lian li with floppy drive = what the family desktop uses
[21:44] <Amarande> I almost said floopy drive, too
[21:45] <Rikairchy> Yuken, nice
[21:45] <Rikairchy> I'm saving up for http://pcpartpicker.com/p/w6Cqxr
[21:45] <Amarande> also the front panel covers for the two unused drive bays are bent from the time my brother punched the computer in a rage once :P
[21:45] <Yuken> vanessaTL, Rikairchy, going to be using it for CSGO and Blender ;)
[21:45] <Rikairchy> ahh
[21:45] <Amarande> remember guys, percussive maintenance can permanently damage your PC :P
01[21:46] <Beeks> vanessaTL: Do you cross the border to pick up hardware to avoid tax, or due to currency valuation?
[21:46] <Rikairchy> temporary fix though
[21:46] <vanessaTL> Yuken: i've heard of blender. happy animation work.
[21:46] <BenderRodriguez> Bender?!
[21:46] <Yuken> Blender, not BenderRodriguez.
[21:46] <Amarande> Beeks: c'mon, crossing the border to avoid tax is a time-honoured tradition among our betters
[21:46] <BenderRodriguez> :(
[21:46] <Amarande> perhaps it should be taken advantage by more folks? LOL
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[21:46] <Sabotender> hmm
[21:46] <vanessaTL> Beeks: primarily because US items are cheaper, but it's also for the secondary benefit of some US online stores not charging tax
01[21:46] <Beeks> Amarande: lol. Im mainly curious as to how much cheaper it is
[21:46] <Yuken> BenderRodriguez, we can still talk about you though babby.
[21:46] <Sabotender> I need to buy a nice fan.
[21:47] <Rikairchy> what
[21:47] <Rikairchy> a Canadian crossing my precious border to buy shit?
[21:47] <Rikairchy> DEPORT THEM
[21:47] <Yuken> So, any last comments on this before I do purchase? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2Gxs6h
[21:47] <BenderRodriguez> thx bby
[21:47] <Yuken> For games and Blender, ofc.
01[21:47] <Beeks> Yuken: I would go for a smaller case
[21:47] <Rikairchy> meh, seagate
[21:48] <Yuken> Rikairchy, Seagate are fine. I can provide plenty of evidence showing that they are.
[21:48] <Yuken> Most that say they aren't is either:
[21:48] <Amarande> someone crossing our border to participate in our economy in an actually putting-money-into-America way? awesome :)
[21:48] <Yuken> old, outdated; or anecdotal evidence from consumers.
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[21:48] <Rikairchy> I like my WD
[21:48] <Yuken> There is a reason why Seagate is, what #2 or #1 in server and consumer hard drives.
[21:48] <Sabotender> what do you think about those Amazon dash buttons?
[21:48] <Rikairchy> all drives last at least four years
[21:48] <Yuken> WD is good as well.
[21:48] <Rikairchy> Sabotender, stupid
[21:48] <Sabotender> lol
[21:48] <Amarande> Yuken: yeah I suspect the chief trouble with Seagate is they've had a number of particular models that turned out to be real howlers
[21:48] <Sabotender> lotta brand marketing, eh
[21:48] <Rikairchy> Yuken, I'm going to build a server with consumer parts
[21:49] <Yuken> Amarande, only a few, yes. But current ones are fine
[21:49] <Amarande> whereas the last time I can recall WD having a faulty-in-general model was back in the days when the average hard drive was in the single digits of gigs
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[21:49] <Rikairchy> away I go
[21:49] <vanessaTL> Beeks: basically, because items in the US are cheaper
[21:49] <vanessaTL> Beeks: i factor in currency exchange when i shop
[21:49] <vanessaTL> you don't have to go to china for cheaper stuff, just head to the USA. :)
[21:49] <Yuken> No other comments or anything that should definitely be changed about http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2Gxs6h , assuming pricing stays the same when I buy it in a week~?
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[21:50] <Amarande> Seagate had in recent years the ST1000DM005 (well, this was also Samsung HD103SJ, from about the time of the merger) and the infamous 3TB model which I don't know the SKU of offhand
[21:50] <HickorySmokedBac> Would this require a backplate install, and all that flippity shit with an OEM cooler? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856005
[21:50] <HickorySmokedBac> for AM3
[21:50] <Amarande> also, I've always had good times with WD, so why change (unless I'm buying an SSD of course) :)
[21:50] <Amarande> I've only had one WD drive actually die on me, and that was after a good four years or so
01[21:50] <Beeks> Yuken: meh
[21:50] <Yuken> Beeks, yes?
[21:51] <vanessaTL> Amarande: you're welcome :)
[21:51] <Yuken> Amarande, I've had ten WD drives die and 0 Seagate. Anecdotal evidence :p
[21:51] <vanessaTL> a_u_x_y says it's crucial I get a board with PCIE 3.0. Why is it important?
[21:51] <vanessaTL> what do I need PCIe 3.0 for?
[21:51] <Amarande> Yuken: and meanwhile the once recent time I bought a drive that wasn't WD was an HD103SJ/ST1000DM005, and it was the drive from HELL
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[21:52] <Amarande> vanessaTL: PCIe 3.0 lanes are significantly faster than PCIe 2.0 ones
[21:52] <Amarande> at the present moment, it matters fairly little. only the highest tier video cards can really take advantage of the PCIe 3.0 speeds, if at all
[21:52] <Amarande> however, if you want to keep this system around for a while and upgrade the GPU in the future, it's good to have
[21:53] <vanessaTL> Amarande: oh, and i thought PCIe 3.0 was a slot.
[21:53] <vanessaTL> but it's a lane.
[21:53] <Amarande> and you probably will keep it around for a while, since even Intel's progress is starting to significantly slow down lately
[21:53] <Amarande> hence why they had to abandon Tick-Tock for a 3-stage plan, for instance
[21:53] <Amarande> vanessaTL: PCIe slots contain lanes
[21:54] <Amarande> indeed, everything that uses the PCIe bus (including motherboard built-ins that do so) uses lanes
[21:54] <Amarande> the lane system is the reason PCIe slots are so flexible compared to earlier generation systems
[21:54] <Amarande> e.g., the fact that any PCIe card will work in any PCIe slot that it physically fits
[21:55] <Yuken> No more comments? Mmke.
[21:55] <Amarande> Yuken: how long had you kept those WD drives for?
[21:55] <Yuken> Amarande, one of them that failed is fifteen years old, another was two days old.
[21:55] <Amarande> The 160GB I had die I bought sometime in 2011 and it didn't fail until late 2015
[21:56] <Yuken> (two days as in, I got it two days before it failed)
[21:56] <Yuken> (not made two days before it failed)
[21:56] <Amarande> Of course, it failed on a goddamned Friday *sigh*
01[21:56] <Beeks> Yuken: I would move to a Mini-ITX and a smaller case if you wont need another PCI slot
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01[21:56] <Beeks> but thats personal preference
[21:56] <Amarande> I'm cursed that way, if I have a critical piece of hardware go out, it will inevitably be on a Thursday night or on a Friday
[21:56] <Yuken> Beeks, indeed, personal preference. I like to keep the case slightly large, albeit not too big, for future expansion (larger/multi-GPU, for example)
[21:57] <Yuken> or, say, PCI-E Wireless cards, ethernet NICs, etc etc
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[21:57] <Amarande> Then I get stuck either with maximum days without a computer, or I have to settle for what Best Buy is offering
[21:58] <vanessaTL> Amarande: is R9 390 in that "highest tier"/
[21:58] <vanessaTL> ?
[21:58] <vanessaTL> Amarande: i don't know whether I "want to keep this system around for a while and upgrade the GPU int he future". Because in the future, there's several things that could happen: (A) i get sick and tired of gaming and don't buy/build another computer or (B) Prices of all PC parts drop that it's just as cheap to replace every PC part with a new one
[21:58] <vanessaTL> I think r9 390 is pretty high up for me already, considering that i plan on gaming on my four-year old 24-inch 1080p Viewsonic LCD monitor
[21:58] <Amarande> I'm not sure how much PCIe bandwidth the R9 390 is capable of using
[21:58] <Amarande> no, R9 390 is not high tier enough to bottleneck on PCIe 2.0 x16
[21:59] <Amarande> if there's -anything- that can, it's gotta be something like a 295X2 or a Fury X
[21:59] <Yuken> > 295X2
[21:59] <Yuken> > literally breaks PCI-E standards
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[22:00] <Sabotender> brb
[22:00] <vanessaTL> so will my gaming experience be any different if I insert an R9 390 into a PCIe 3.0x16 slot?
[22:00] <vanessaTL> Amarande: http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/r9 says that the R9 390's PCI Express version is 3.0
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[22:00] <yuken_> 295x2 literally breaks PCI-E standards ;)
[22:00] <Amarande> vanessaTL: no
[22:00] <Amarande> essentially, it works like this
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[22:01] <Amarande> the PCIe card and the motherboard determine between themselves what the lower PCIe version and lower number of lanes is between them, if either is unequal
[22:01] <Yuken> So, one last time; no objections to this for Blender & Games? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2Gxs6h
[22:01] <Amarande> and then run at that speed
[22:01] <Yuken> Other than personal preference stuff, like what Beeks has listed.
[22:01] <Amarande> e.g., if you put a PCIe 3.0 card into a PCIe 2.0 slot, the card and mobo determine that PCIe 2.0 speed is to be used
[22:02] <Amarande> if you put a PCIe x1 card into a PCIe x16 slot, the card and mobo determine that only one lane can be used
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[22:02] <vanessaTL> Yuken: as a newbie, i can give no objections. I can give no approval either. lol
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[22:02] <Yuken> vanessaTL, pls.
[22:02] <compdoc> vanessaTL, my card is PCIe 3 but was in a PCIe 2 slot. When I upgraded to a PCIe 3 capable cpu, it did make a difference.
[22:02] <Amarande> vanessaTL: the 390 is not capable of drawing enough PCIe bandwidth that the drop to PCIe 2.0 speeds impacts performance
01[22:02] <Beeks> I have a motherboard that won't boot, and "tested" the PSU with an old "tester" I borrowed. The tester passed all but the -5V test. Isn't that normal?
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[22:03] <vanessaTL> Amarande: okay, i see what you mean. So back to my question. what difference is there in using 2.0 speed and 3.0 speed, in terms of gaming?
[22:03] <vanessaTL> compdoc: pls say more
[22:03] <Amarande> *however*, that's assuming your cards are such that the 390 can get all 16 lanes
[22:03] <vanessaTL> compdoc: what difference did you notice?
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[22:03] <Amarande> if you are using other PCIe slots (particularly the other full length slot) it may not be able to receive that many lanes
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[22:03] <Amarande> then you may start to slow down
[22:03] <compdoc> its like saying you might as well stay with sata2, even though sata3 is faster.
[22:04] <vanessaTL> Amarande: "cards"? plural? I was planning on getting just one graphics card.
[22:04] <Amarande> in particular, 3.0 becomes useful when you use SLI or Crossfire, because 8 lanes of 3.0 are as good as 16 lanes of 2.0
[22:04] <Amarande> and on virtually all non-super-expensive intel motherboards, SLI and Crossfire are limited to 8 lanes per card
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[22:05] <Amarande> vanessaTL: depending on your motherboard, installing any kind of other PCIe cards can cause the lane assignments to get rearranged
[22:05] <Amarande> in particular, if you plug any card into the second full length slot, typically that causes the first full length slot (i.e., your graphics card) to get chopped to x8
[22:05] <compdoc> matching hardware capabilities is part of system building. sure, you could slpa shit together and hope for the best, or listen to those who say it doesnt matter. but it does matter
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[22:06] <compdoc> slpa =slap
[22:06] <Amarande> (This is usually most noticeable on MicroATX boards, as on ATX boards you can usually avoid having to put some other card into the other x16 sized slot)
[22:06] <anton02> do you agree with this or no? http://i.4cdn.org/g/1459647882840.jpg
[22:06] <Amarande> It's a reason why I chose to get a new motherboard instead of buy a soundcard to go in my Maximus VI Gene when its sound screwed up, for instance
[22:07] <Amarande> if I had bought a soundcard, it would have had to go into the other full length slot, and thus halve the bandwidth to my GPU
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[22:07] <Amarande> apparently this wouldn't have impacted my GTX 770, but it might impact some future card
[22:07] <Amarande> well ... that and the fact that PCIe soundcards that are worth buying cost as much as a new motherboard anyway :P
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[22:08] <Amarande> (as in, PCIe soundcards that don't cost $100+ generally just have the same Realtek stuff that onboard sound uses)
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01[22:08] <Beeks> Does anyone own a PSU tester?
[22:08] <Amarande> the sound card market has alas suffered most lamentably from the shift from PCI to PCI Express :(
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[22:09] <Amarande> PCI had some amazing gear, like the Echo 24-bit lineup and the like
[22:09] <Amarande> PCIe has a tiny tiny selection by comparison :(
[22:10] <anton02> people have moved to external DACs
[22:10] <Amarande> Yeah, nowadays if it doesn't use a USB or an Ethernet cable (e.g., AVB) it's considered old and grey LOL
[22:11] <Amarande> and hell, AVB can't even really use normal ethernet gear, it has to use special ethernet gear with hardware level QoS
[22:11] <Amarande> so it's still a separate architecture in large part that just piggybacks on RJ45 heh
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[22:21] <vanessaTL> Amarande: sorry, i have a bad connection. i may have missed your messages
[22:21] <vanessaTL> Amarande: could you pastebin
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01[22:22] <Beeks> What would you guys check if a motherboard gets power but doesn't boot?
[22:22] <Aldem> Beeks: A PSU tester ??
[22:22] <Aldem> A multimeter ?
01[22:23] <Beeks> Adam01: I have a multimeter and a "tester", which does nothing more than make sure the rails are working
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[22:24] <Aldem> You can do a lot with V R I measurements
01[22:24] <Beeks> oops, that was to you Aldem
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01[22:25] <Beeks> Aldem: Feel like giving a crash course? :)
[22:25] <Aldem> What do you want to test ?
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01[22:27] <Beeks> Well I am troubleshooting why a motherboard won't boot, I'm guessing that something is awry and it's not triggering the PWR_ON pin to boot up
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[22:28] <Aldem> You can unplug the cables, and probe them for the voltage
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[22:28] <Branes> G'day.
[22:28] <Aldem> Hi
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01[22:28] <Beeks> Aldem: http://ctrlv.in/733261
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[22:29] <Aldem> Yeah, that's like a 'quick multimeter test'
[22:29] <Aldem> That test all pins at once
[22:29] <Aldem> Cool
01[22:29] <Beeks> yep
01[22:29] <Beeks> but I have an actual multimeter as well
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01[22:30] <Beeks> i've swapped out all other components, and this PSU was taken from my working desktop
[22:30] <Aldem> Carefull if measuring currents though
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[22:30] <Aldem> Most multimeters are capped at 10A
[22:30] <Aldem> And for 30 secs
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01[22:31] <Beeks> This one only goes up to 5A it seems, but hmm. Wouldn't I need to trip the PSU to truly test, and even then it won't be under much load, so whats the point?
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[22:33] <Aldem> True that it won't tell you it's behavior under load.
[22:33] <Aldem> Are you sure the PSU is the issue ?
01[22:33] <Beeks> No. But it's either the PSU or the motherboard at this point
01[22:34] <Beeks> I also made sure to even try other wall outlets :)
01[22:34] <Beeks> Yet I am just taunted by flashing NIC lights, and a happy BMC heartbeat led :(
01[22:36] <Beeks> And all this hardware waiting to be put to use...
[22:37] <Aldem> Visually, do you see anything ?
[22:37] <Aldem> Like broken caps
[22:37] <Aldem> With a bombed top for instance
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01[22:40] <Beeks> I did a few close inspections, no blown caps or visual shorts. The only unusual looking component is a small surface mounted chip on the back, with a slightly damaged corner of the plastic or resin or whichever that protects the die. All soldering points look fine and nothing is exposed
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[22:41] <vvvvvaaannnn> Beeks:
01[22:41] <Beeks> although if one of the caps was bulging, you wouldn't be able to see it I reckon.
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01[22:41] <Beeks> yes?
[22:41] <vanessaTL> what are everyone's thoughts on GeIL EVO
[22:41] <vanessaTL> Beeks: could you pastebin me the last hour of chat?
01[22:42] <Beeks> worried about people talkinga bout you? one sec
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[22:43] <Aldem> Tired, going to bed
[22:43] <Aldem> Good luck Beeks
[22:43] <vanessaTL> Beeks:  no, not at all worried. it's because i don't know if someone responded to what i wrote. or whether what i wrote made it into the channel in the first place
[22:43] <vanessaTL> Aldem: g'night
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