The Failures of Christianity

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If Hillary Clinton didn't become a Senator and Secretary of State before running for President, imagine what the Republicans would say: "She doesn't have the experience." What experience does Trump have?
+karstensrage
failed businesses?
+NeelamPrabhat
axelf: The Republican Party is largely an anti-intellectual movement.
+dani_
i think Trump is a good comedian
+NeelamPrabhat
Their utterances are not to be taken seriously.
+dani_
i like him for that
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+karstensrage
dani_, you might like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aFo_BV-UzI
+axelf
Anti-intellectualism is self defeating.
Ignoring Sara_Ks!*@*
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axelf: Not always.
Unfortunately.
It depends on the composition of all the players.
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@bnyfoofoo
hi all
hugs sara!
bright eyed and bushy tailed
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: Sara_Ks often falls short of Christ.
@bnyfoofoo
or is that bright tailed and bushy eyed, i can never remember
+NeelamPrabhat
I have some examples, if you're interested.
@bnyfoofoo
dont we all NeelamPrabhat
+NeelamPrabhat
Some more than others, though, right?
@bnyfoofoo
just watch the debates on tv between the politicians and you will see lots of falling away
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: Are there any actions or thoughts a Christian can have/do that would cause them to lose status as a follower of Christ?
For example, denying central teachings of Christ.
Would that be sufficient, in your view.
@bnyfoofoo
Jesus loves us all the way
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: that is a content-free platitude.
It does not help me better understand Christianity.
+kissa
NeelamPrabhat:   pretty creative nick
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kissa: Thank you.
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@bnyfoofoo
nee it sounds like you have questions about christianity
ask away
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: is the following behavior consistent with the teachings of Christ
1 - I get angry at somebody in chat because they have different views than me.
@bnyfoofoo
ty hon, always am happy to see you
+NeelamPrabhat
2 - That person seeks out my company to resolve the conflict
3 - During this attempted resolution they quote scripture to me of direct quotes of Christ as to how to behave in life, generally, and in situations like these
@bnyfoofoo
i dont see where the conflict with Jesus is
+NeelamPrabhat
4 - I deny everything that person says and stay rooted in my anger
Would that be consistent with the teachings of Christ
@bnyfoofoo
you are giving me second class conversations
am asking you what questions you have
inside you
+kissa
NeelamPrabhat:   this is a chat room...  chatters usually like to come and post their opinions,  to see, if there are anyone, who would agree  :)
@bnyfoofoo
not related to someone i dont even know
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: Here is an example
"* You were kicked from #Christiandebate by Sara_Ks (The op is always right)"
Sara_Ks: in her rage claimed "The op is always right"
Do you find that assertion to be consistent with the teachings of Christ in the Gospels?
Specifically, I am thinking of his answer as to which commandment is the most important
@bnyfoofoo
nee, that is consistent of the rules of irc
it isnt a democracy
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: That was a non-sequitur.
Do you see why?
@bnyfoofoo
now i know sara for such a long time
she is a very fair lady
+NeelamPrabhat
Nobody has mentioned the words "IRC" or "democracy" until you did, just then.
The thesis is "Is this behavior consistent with the teachings of Christ?"
bnyfoofoo: That was another non-sequitur.
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Sara_Ks is always right except when she is wrong
+NeelamPrabhat
I didn't ask you, "Has Sara_Ks ever done anything you value?"
@bnyfoofoo
lol nee you dont have an open mind
Ignoring Didache!*@*
@bnyfoofoo
do you have a bible?
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: will my having a Bible help you answer my question?
@bnyfoofoo
i suggest you read the teachings of Jesus and you decide if what occurred is in keeping with His teachings
+karstensrage
i have three bibles
@bnyfoofoo
we cant think for you
do you karstensrage?
+karstensrage
yes
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: So, you are unwilling to help guide me as to whether behavior is consist with Christ.
+karstensrage
a big beautiful KJ
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: Do you think what you are doing right now is an example of "denying Christ"?
Which Christ predicted Peter would do three times.
@bnyfoofoo
nee i try very hard not to judge others
i try to keep within the perimeters of His teachings for myself
+karstensrage
a smaller one with an apocrypha
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: we are on the internet.
Anybody with an internet connection always have access to a Bible.
+dani_
welcome back Didache
how are you today?
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!Niv Matt 10:23
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Mat10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. (NIV)
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!kjv Matt 10:23
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Mat10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. (KJV)
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!nkjv Matt 10:23
bnyfoofoo: I have another question.
Until now, you were the only person to ever mention "democracy" or "IRC" in our conversation
When you find your Christian obligations come into conflict with your IRC obligations, what do you do?
@bnyfoofoo
i will try to answer it nee, but there are lots of other people here who could as well
that isnt often nee
but i consult my conscience....my discernment
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: http://pastebin.com/EVNjix8Q
Here is a conversation between myself and Sara_Ks.
@bnyfoofoo
discernment comes from the Holy Spirit and i always try to please the Lord before anything else
+karstensrage
Sara_Ks, what do you think of  Kim Davis?
@[e]
whats a IRC obligation?
+NeelamPrabhat
bnyfoofoo: Your IRC obligations, as you perceive them, require you to kickban a chatter. However, your Christian obligation requires you to love them with your whole heart.
What do you do?
+karstensrage
[e], running a channel as an op
@[e]
ok
+NeelamPrabhat
Buddhism, by the way, deals with this just as Christ did.
Christ provides some teachings via "Give unto Caesar..."
Buddhism has one part of the Eightfold Path, Right Action, designated to resolving these conflict.
In short, in Buddhism, you should avoid those lifestyles that cause you to violate your obligations as a Buddhist.
+kissa
NeelamPrabhat:   look, this is  Sara_Ks 's channel...  you either like it or not ...  it's her channel, her rules..     then there is a whole different christian world apart of this all...
@bnyfoofoo
nee if someone is being obnoxious, cursing, maligning the Name of the Lord yes i will kick after a warning
+NeelamPrabhat
So, you cannot work for an arms manufacturer or in a meat processing facility.
@bnyfoofoo
still love the sinner...hate the sin
@[e]
hia foofooo
+karstensrage
Sara_Ks, ??
@[e]
hia sara
@bnyfoofoo
hi e!!
+NeelamPrabhat
kissa: I don't have any obligations to Sara_Ks or her rule.
I only have obligations to science and my personal set of values.
When those align with the goals of Sara_Ks, I will thrive in this channel.
+karstensrage
Sara_Ks, yes
+kissa
NeelamPrabhat:   but you argue in her house !!!
+NeelamPrabhat
When they do not align, I will likely be kickbanned as she can't handle too much dissent.
@[e]
hia kissa
+NeelamPrabhat
kissa: I disagree at that analogy.
Chatrooms are more like pubs.
+kissa
[e]:  hi
+karstensrage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Davis_(county_clerk)
* kissa knows when she is not welcomed, and stays away  .... simple really
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ur always welcome  kissa
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kissa: You have left out an important part: not welcome by whom?
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