Rod W i/v Jun 5 17 silverscript

Rod W i/v Jun 5 17 silverscript Crowdsource the Truth Interviews Rod Wheeler June 5 2017

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well rod I can't thank you enough for
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joining us here today well thank you
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it's a pleasure to be with you today
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here in this Memorial Day weekend yeah
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thanks for taking time out of the
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weekend not as you know George and I
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have been involved in a crowdsource
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investigation that didn't actually start
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with Seth rich but the interesting thing
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about the crowdsource is that it always
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sort of leads you to where the most
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important information is yeah and right
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now we're on cess rich and I was really
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particularly interested in seeing the
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way the media treated you because it's
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another focus of what I'm doing is
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examining the media can you talk about
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that a little bit the whole assault on
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you directly after you went on to Fox
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well yeah I mean you know I've been with
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Fox News now for about 12 13 years as a
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crime analyst talking about everything
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from San Bernardino to the pulse
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nightclub shooting these types of crimes
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right and so when I went on Fox to talk
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about this that's rich case it's not the
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first time I had been on Fox talking
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about the sets rich case really I was on
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Fox Fox and Friends back in October of
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last year and I did what we call a walk
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and talk I walk the scene on Flagler
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Street and I looked at the crime scene
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from the perspective what if this were a
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botched robbery and interestingly enough
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guys back then I actually believed it
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could have been a boxed robbery I mean I
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could see how that could be and that was
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the narrative that the police department
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was saying at the time they believed it
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was about drugs robbery still saying
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that on and they're still saying that
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and so you know back in October I agreed
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so when the family brought me on board
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and you can stop me from going too far
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ahead no clear when the family brought
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me on board and again I can't talk
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anything about the investigation itself
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we were stirred because I have a thief I
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have what I call a shut up order that's
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what it is shut up don't say any I don't
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want to talk about that but when family
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brought me on board back in in March of
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this year right they brought me on board
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to investigate a murder which is what I
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like to say I do best I had no clue at
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the time believe it or not about the
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relationships I've had with the DNC or
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WikiLeaks and the email thing into
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Russian hacking I have never followed
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that I mean I've heard about it sure
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right but
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I haven't really followed it so I didn't
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put two and two together in terms of
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whatever I find in this death
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investigation or murder investigation is
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going to have some effect on the
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WikiLeaks thing into Russian hacking I
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wasn't focused on that at all and that's
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and I've always said that because that
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was the truth I'm focused on who were
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the bad guys so I begin the
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investigation when you begin a murder
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investigation specifically I always like
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to say you have three doors to go this
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what I used to teach rookies as a matter
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of fact Ricky and detectives you have
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three doors to go into when you when you
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do an investigation the first door is
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whether or not this was just a street
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crime a botched robbery in this case so
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you want to work that possibility right
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the second door is whether or not this
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person's death is the result of
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relationships gone bad
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lovers triangle boyfriend on the side
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girlfriend yeah
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those things happen quite often right
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but then the third door that you go in
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is the door that's related to that
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person's employment and relationships as
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it applies to his job so I've worked
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extensively through door number one okay
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I mean I work I talk to some of the what
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I like to call knuckleheads on the
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street you know did anybody see anything
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tell me that kind of stuff you know
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you're hitting hitting the ground
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running right then I started looking at
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door number two personal relationships
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and again I can't go into detail but I
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would encourage your viewers and others
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to talk to the bar manager at component
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I think it's in Joe Capone he'll tell
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you I spent most of the time that I
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talked to him talking about
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relationships that stuff could have had
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and we even joked about it that said
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just have have two or three girls on the
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side even you have to ask those kind of
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you never know me and then even with
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Seth's girlfriend Kelsey we spent most
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of our time talking about their
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relationship I never asked the word
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about email mm-hmm because it wasn't my
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focus and is she living in DC or she's
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in Omaha at this point DC okay you mean
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during the time of yeah yeah no no
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during the time of the murder she was in
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Omaha
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I see living in DC now and they have
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that 89 minute phone call where I can't
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go on okay sorry sir
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I've been going to do cut that's not the
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only phone call you are aware of there's
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other telephones yes but that is huge in
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this investigation so now I'm at door
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number three because I don't find
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anything in door number one I don't find
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anything to support a relationship gone
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bad or lover's triangle I don't find
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that in door number two right okay so
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what a detective will do now say okay
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well let's look at job relationships
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maybe there's something going on with a
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supervisor you know sometimes people
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have problems with supervisors it's
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really a terrible toxic situation and
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then maybe one winds up shooting and
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killing you know anything is possible
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maybe a me day see or and someone's
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looking at job related right and now I'm
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starting to get pushback from certain
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people don't dig don't dig don't go any
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further
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don't look in door number three right
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and you know what I mean you can look at
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door number one let me do it number two
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all you want don't look in door number
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three well wait a minute what's behind
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door number three exactly you see what I
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mean yes and that's where we stopped see
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one of the things that really intrigues
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us is that today Joe Biggs I'm sure you
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saw came out with an FBI document that
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has basically been shown to be fake most
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people would say it's very curious that
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the FBI would even be involved in the
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investigation of a civilian because
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working for the DNC that's a private
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organization it's not a government
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organization thread set is not a federal
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employee and there's no interstate
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aspect to his murder so why would the
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FBI be involved in this at all well and
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there's only one scenario where I can
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think that the FBI would have been
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involved and that is and based on my
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experience as a police as a detective
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here in DC sometimes our meaning the
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police DC Police Department our IT
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department can't get into certain types
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of electronic devices I see so the FBI
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they have the resources to get into or
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crack into whatever you
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to call it in to certain types of
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devices so what we would do they
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wouldn't be so much involved in the
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investigation they would just help us
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get into that data that's a part of that
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computer Renzo I see how that can happen
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it happens all the time matter of fact
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on the state level many states have
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Bureau of Criminal Investigations on the
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state level and believe it or not local
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police departments rely on the BCI unit
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state to help them with those types of
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electronic investigation it's a good
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explanation so the FBI could be
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violently and obviously you can't talk
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about any information related to the
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laptop for the phone other than what you
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said already which is they wouldn't give
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you access to it no access that's right
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mm-hmm
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then also be true for lab information or
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DNA testing that's it depends on the
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jurisdiction now Dean lessee has its own
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DNA laboratory over at one date and
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state of the art so they do their own
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and they natural PD or say yeah a
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Metropolitan Police from DC yes 119 V
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Street yeah and they had it back then so
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they would have done their own DNA
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testing and when you're talking about
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knuckleheads
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Brandon Warren is that a knucklehead you
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can talk with us about or now okay but
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he's a real person but we don't even
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came to talk about that I've heard of
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the name but other than that I don't
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know much about I haven't spoken to him
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okay that's interesting because a
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Georgia obviously spent quite a bit of
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time with Joe Capone and has done some
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reporting on that yeah I spent about
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four days there and I saw Joe every day
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and I probably got I'm more the Columbo
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type where ask you know five six
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questions and then have a glass of wine
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and then ask a couple more you know I
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read all the reports and there was a
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Daily Mail article about it saying that
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he was somehow there and feeling the
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felt depressed and I didn't know if that
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was secondhand information or first-hand
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information and then there was this
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report that he had been put into a cab
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maybe and there was other accounts that
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said he had walked and so I did what you
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did I walked the whole you know all the
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way down to Flagler took a couple of
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different routes but I mainly went down
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you know Georgia to Harvard a couple
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dinner out she could take but this was
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quite a walk it's like about a 40 minute
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walk yeah and then he had a previous
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address at one to two I'm gonna forget
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the Tia trust it was much closer his
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previous address and I walked it into
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not eight minutes so I was thinking well
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if he really did live there once you too
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and I'm spacing on the on the street but
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it was this much shorter walk I mean if
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you really live it to 113 first Street I
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mean it just seemed like there wasn't
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any footprints or any metadata that
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actually said he lived at 21 I realize
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you can't answer
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talk about the investigation but that's
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the first thing that struck me in doing
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exactly what you did with door number
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one just walk into shoes no victim sure
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yeah and and that this kind of that got
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me and then there was this period of
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time also from the shot shooter or
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whatever there's a shooting system from
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420 hotspot or shot spotter yeah from
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428 m to the 559 call of death there was
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several articles that came out that said
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his parents were there there was another
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article that said there and the brother
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was there he was sitting up talking
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there was another article that came out
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from supposedly written by a fourth year
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sort of surgery or intern writer and
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said he had been shot once
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third lobe of the liver and that was
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still in there and then there was that
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was just an entry wound and there was an
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exit and entry and exit wound through
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them through the abdomen at 12
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centimeters had been resected and he
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seemed stable and the guy had seen 25 of
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those or 30 of them and no one had ever
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died in that situation so has anyone
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seen the autopsy report well that's what
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we were going to ask you
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yeah I haven't seen it neither would
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know I haven't been given access to the
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autopsy report and how often does that
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happen in a murder investigation doesn't
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happen I mean the autopsy report for a
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detective is always used to say it's the
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Bible because you're going to learn so
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much about the victim the toxicology
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report as part of the autopsy report
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that's important yeah I'm doing a murder
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of us young right I'm talking to victim
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now right entry and exit wounds all
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kinds of things you learn from the
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autopsy report and again I can't go into
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detail but all I would say is every
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investigation I've ever done at murder
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investigation or death investigation hmm
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you always a step one let me see a copy
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of the autopsy report but I want to go
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back to door one okay okay because this
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interesting doer one let's say this were
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a botched robbery yeah okay you have to
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look at all
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absolutely later so police officers we
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get to call ShotSpotter
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now the gunshot 21st and Flagler I need
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a unit with the dispatcher said okay so
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you got units responding okay I'm going
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dispatcher 380 number whatever the
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number is right so the officers get on
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the same if we see that and this is any
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murder investigation I'm not just
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talking about this particular case but
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this is the way it works right you get
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on the stand your victim is still alive
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and talking mm-hmm right the first thing
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you ask that victim as a uniformed
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officer we trained officers who shot you
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who shot you Chicago with the number of
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shootings they have I guarantee you
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every time a cop rolls up on the scene
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that's the first thing you want to ask
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that victim because you don't have that
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victims are going to die right
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who shot you man this is what you saw
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that could be solving the crime right
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there well that's why you ask
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yeah let me know or if you don't find
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out who shot you what did they look like
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right so we can give what we call a
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lookout right okay if this is protocol
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mm-hmm for any shooting situation so you
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the first units on the same if that
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lookout and you broadcast it over the
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air I want to know in this investigation
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I want a copy of the audible
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transmission from the lookout they had
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to have a lookout have you communicated
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with any other responding officers no
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you haven't
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and obviously no one's had access to the
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body cam footage or anything like that
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no that's right see the thing is I don't
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want any of us here to be accused of
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being conspiracy
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or anything like that so I really liked
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your answer to the FBI question because
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that's a sensible answer that provides a
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logical alternative that debunks what
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most people would say about why the FBI
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might or might not be involved so it
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just it brings me back to these
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questions like I mean even the cease and
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desist order that you've gotten from the
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family now that's specifically about
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talking about the case are you still
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investigating the case where you just
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see something and assisting from
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everything right cease and desist
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basically from average so you're fired
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you're not investigating it anymore not
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investigating it on behalf of the family
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anyone can I hate any case they want a
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family no I'm not investigating it for
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them and the cease-and-desist like I
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said I consider that a shut-the-hell-up
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order don't say a word don't tell
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anybody because what I want to do and I
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issued a statement I thought you guys
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saw the statement that I I'm not sure at
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least about a week ago and I'm asking
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the family to allow me to release my
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investigative reports oh well of course
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the world to see it I want them to see
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what I have because if people see what I
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have in my report if you take the
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political motivation out of it out of
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the equation then you're going to say oh
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it makes sense why he thinks this right
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I mean that's what most normal people
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would I think know what I mean clearly
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and go take the political stuff out of
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it right it just seems a little bit odd
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that for instance I believe that there
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was two meetings at each hospital that
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separate is shot in between there's a
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meeting at Howard University Hospital
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which is a trauma center as well and
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then there's the MedStar up on the hill
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so Howard at the bottom to the left you
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know W Street going west and then and I
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was on my hands and knees that corner of
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W and Flagler looking straight ahead
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that you can almost see MedStar on a
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direct line and so he has to go to one
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of those two hospitals what I find
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amazing is that people won't say which
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hospital he went to you know we and he
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went to MedStar he went to head start so
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we confirm that he went to mincer now he
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never spent any time
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Howard at all never not from what I know
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he did it
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okay and it kind of makes sense that he
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would go to mr. in that area that's the
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hospital of choice that we usually take
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shooting victims to between Howard and
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MedStar we typically take them to
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messler now Howard has a what we call a
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crash in it as well and they're pretty
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good with gunshot victims but in that
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case where that shooting happened that I
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think it would have been better to go to
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med stuff did you speak to the attending
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physician at all no do you know who that
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was no I don't this is an interesting
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sort of confusion surrounding the doctor
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whether it's dr. Sava doctor tell you
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vish or if that's the same person
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operating are two different names oh I
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see no I have no idea okay
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I have a social security number with
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Solow with it with those two names and
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some people change the name you know
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each ROM would say Hungary and he wants
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to be more American so it changes his
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name cassava baby or it may be just
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simpler for people to say you know so
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there may be reasons why right but a lot
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of aliases as well and that you know
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that he kind of gives you pause like
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maybe why why is that going on and just
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why the - secrecy why not just say I was
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good you know sometimes on you know I
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remember when Gabby Giffords was shot
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and right there was almost hourly
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reporting by the physician talking about
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right here's her here's her cat scan and
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you know we're going to go in here was a
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miracle that we saved her life
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sorry and and it's been a lot of cases
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like that where the doctors have been
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very open with the information so you
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just wonder why in this situation it's
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so closed down you know now there's so
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many things like that that just make you
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wonder why this is happening and you
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know it's just very confusing and it
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leaves people I think that's what leads
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people to this whole conspiracy theory
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kind of idea to me that's a real hot
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button word because when someone says oh
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well you know rod wheeler is promoting a
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conspiracy theory that's been debunked
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my first question is well how has it
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been debunked
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where is your evidence that is stronger
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than his evidence that shows that he is
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saying something incorrect and none of
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that has come forward as far as we can
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see it hasn't come forward serial I
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haven't walked back anything as a matter
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of fact in my statement that I released
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the week ago I mean I said then in my
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statement in writing though I do believe
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that there was some communication
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between Seth and WikiLeaks and we
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believe and I believe that based on
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common sense first of all you know what
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I mean I got a practical person based on
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common sense and you know from
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information that we're getting from
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various sources now does that mean that
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I know for a fact that that happened
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absolutely not right but I believe that
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that to be the case so I don't want you
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to give away any of the investigation
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because you've got this gag order but
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can you say there was a lot of I think
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in your statement something about there
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was you know some email going back and
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forth between somebody from WikiLeaks
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and etc to confirm that is that true or
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well the the information guys that I got
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about the source which was an FBI
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federal investigator right that was a
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source that was developed by the Fox
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News Channel reporter Malia's emmerman
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okay her and I communicated and when she
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I'll never forget when she called me
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right thing is I have nothing to hide
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you know if it means I'll tell you what
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happened yeah if I screwed up say Roger
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screwed on right when she called me she
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said Ron we got this new information
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that there's this FBI guy a former FBI
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guy a federal investigator and he said
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he knows for a fact that emails went
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from deaths computer to WikiLeaks and
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you know what I asked her and she'll
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tell you I said is this guy credible
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that's what I asked her she said he's
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very credible and I said and that's
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confirmed she's it is confirmed okay
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well that's when I rolled with right you
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go to ranges to finish that off and
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don't give anything away but yeah but
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McFadden was the recipient right yeah
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so that is confirmed okay and so she was
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going to come out in the form of a
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report
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on that Tuesday right this was a Monday
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well it was a Monday when she called me
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and confirmed this to me I hadn't seen
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the report
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so I'm basing they basing everything I
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was saying off of the telephone
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conversation that her and I had had and
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that was the extent of it I had never
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talked to this guy I never said I talked
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to the guy yeah I don't know the guy it
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was very clear to me just from listening
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to what you said and the way you were
19:57
criticized that this was fake news
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hitting you with a smear campaign it was
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and this is a and the other thing and
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this is all verifiable as soon as I got
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that news from Malia guess why call the
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police department writer I mean isn't
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this what you're supposed yeah yeah yeah
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and you know what I talked to the
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detective I said look I got this new
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information I think we can crack the
20:17
case I'm thinking about a murder I'm
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sorry right I wasn't thinking about
20:20
everything else right yeah
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he'll tell you and I called him right
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away and sure he said okay rod thanks
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we'll get right on it and this is a guy
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that you know from your years on the
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force no no the okay guy investigating
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the case okay okay he wasn't there when
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I was there then I picked up the phone
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and I called Joe rich uh-huh
20:39
the father yeah this is all verifying
20:41
I'll show you the phone records I'm not
20:42
anything I type you look at all the
20:44
phone records to be everybody else I
20:45
caught right right I called Joe rich and
20:48
I said Joe guess what we just got this
20:50
information this FBI he's it really I
20:52
see yeah he said what do you think I
20:53
said it sounds like it's pretty good
20:55
whoever this FBI guy right he said but I
20:59
think Fox News is going to do a story on
21:00
it tomorrow I just want you to be aware
21:02
he's okay right no problem
21:04
great job yeah that's what he said I
21:06
mean rent and then I call Aaron but
21:09
brother brother yeah did let him know
21:11
that he wasn't as happy about it he
21:13
seems very strange in the interview as
21:15
well when I shared this I was excited
21:17
I'm thinking maybe this is the lead that
21:20
we need the witness we need to crack
21:22
this case we can finally get the
21:24
murderers this is what I'm thinking we
21:26
can confirm wick right thank you are you
21:28
yeah yeah yeah so I call Aaron and we're
21:32
having this conversation and again I
21:33
can't go into a whole lot of details but
21:35
I'll tell you one thing I said to him at
21:37
the end
21:37
that conversation that's an errand and I
21:39
said it just like this let me ask you
21:41
man
21:42
are you alright he said what do you mean
21:45
I said did you really want this case
21:47
soft he said right just do what you want
21:50
to do click and I'm gonna fall because I
21:53
asked him that because he wasn't acting
21:55
right to me okay you know this you're a
21:58
loved one and I tell you I think we can
21:59
get we know who did it or whatever you
22:01
can all great great go get them right
22:02
here
22:03
you're not gonna say wait a minute I'll
22:04
check you me don't go many more into
22:06
door number three you're not going to
22:08
say that so do you think that's because
22:10
there's some outside pressure being put
22:13
on the family or you can't speculate I
22:15
don't want to speculate I could
22:18
speculate but I don't want to speculate
22:19
a hooded robber but I have some I have
22:22
some idea now we've heard a lot that
22:24
star judgment we've heard a lot that you
22:27
know things have been said from the
22:30
family and is that actually coming from
22:32
the family or is that coming from this
22:34
PR firm that's representing the family
22:37
in my opinion I think it's coming from
22:39
the PR firm is representing do you know
22:42
the name of that firm well I know it's
22:44
Brad Baumann yeah
22:46
but I also know that my relationship
22:48
with Joel and Mary was great I think
22:51
they're wonderful people
22:53
Joel and Mary wants this case of course
22:57
they do of course I can't say that for
23:00
anyone else
23:00
lighter is true the relationship Joel
23:03
gave me information that I'm pretty sure
23:07
others in his family would not have
23:09
wanted him to give to me but see that's
23:12
because he wants the case saw courser
23:14
sure exactly
23:15
so just to nail down the details you can
23:18
share metadata you can't share the
23:20
details you you called the DC police
23:24
detective can you share that name with
23:27
we hold no I could but I don't want to
23:29
right now we would have to get clearance
23:31
for my attorney yeah yeah okay I thought
23:34
I mean well then there's two rumors out
23:36
there floating around and I just
23:37
wondered if you could debunk either one
23:39
of them one of them said that the family
23:42
had was talking to Seth rich and he was
23:44
sitting up at the hospital
23:46
I don't know yeah okay you didn't get
23:49
involved until well after right yeah I
23:51
don't know I guess I've heard different
23:53
things from different people and the
23:55
other one was that Aaron was there
23:57
talking to him while he was sitting at
23:59
the hostel I don't know I don't know I
24:03
don't believe that to be the case but I
24:05
don't know for sure okay and then the
24:07
last one was if no autopsy and we
24:10
actually have had our folks you know
24:11
with the email that you can send for any
24:14
homicide in in DC area it requires a lot
24:18
requires an autopsy so we've requested
24:21
that and then there's Judicial Watch has
24:23
requested a lot of their documents with
24:25
compitent the phone in the laptop so
24:28
forth so that's proceeding I think maybe
24:31
al JCL J not ALU but also American
24:36
justice and Law Center is doing some
24:38
ploy as for this that may help in your
24:41
investigation I'm not sure but the other
24:43
question I had was do you know if the
24:47
family sign off on any kind of consent
24:50
form for his internal organs that have
24:53
Salonika shooting sure I'm not sure I
24:55
don't know and never asked that question
24:57
so they haven't looking and have you
24:59
seen any information that would lead you
25:02
believe that Joe Capone has some sort of
25:05
relationship with Bob creamer or has
25:06
ever dealt with him no I haven't so I
25:11
want to bring it around a little bit
25:12
closer to what George has been
25:14
investigating and I know you've probably
25:16
been looking at some of the work that
25:17
we've been doing together since we
25:19
started talking so you're probably
25:21
familiar with Imran Awan and the Awan
25:23
brothers the Pakistani ISI infiltration
25:26
of the IT department at Congress none of
25:32
that came into play in your
25:33
investigation I presume no it did not
25:35
mm-hmm anything you want to ask about
25:37
that George well do it now this is
25:41
taking you into this world of WikiLeaks
25:45
the first thing I guess is interesting
25:48
is if you wish you have confirmed thank
25:51
you very much except which his email can
25:53
Macbeth then there was interplay between
25:55
them was I mean from the information
25:58
that I got from the Fox News reporter
26:00
read the FBI source so sort of people
26:02
characterize that traffic was at a
26:04
casual once or twice or reserved quietly
26:07
I don't know remember it was done that
26:09
Monday evening when she called me and
26:11
told me this new information I hadn't
26:13
read it over here for it really yeah and
26:15
this was the source she had developed
26:17
okay and I just asked what it credible
26:20
yes is it confirmed yes okay and I just
26:24
ran with it but I didn't you know I
26:25
don't even know the guys name I don't
26:27
know what you guys I never talked to the
26:28
guy George is very focused on metadata
26:30
and there is metadata to indicate a huge
26:33
data traffic spike on July the 7th yeah
26:37
three days before he dies there's two
26:40
Russians that somehow had access to
26:43
metadata of a large data transfer from
26:47
the DNC where Seth worked to the Clinton
26:52
Foundation in New York and that's not
26:54
necessarily important it seems very far
26:57
afield but there are reports that his
27:00
boss Amy Dacey had some kind of argument
27:03
about whether that data should be
27:05
released or not then there is this
27:08
meeting the day before which oak upon
27:11
and Bob Kramer at the White House it
27:14
almost seems like maybe there's a cause
27:17
and effect there and with sets being
27:21
very upset about you know Hillary
27:24
potentially moving money or data from
27:27
his favorite candidates were the Bernie
27:30
Kratz like myself over to the hillock
27:32
rats so there are many people who
27:35
believe that you know the state of mind
27:36
of the person before they died very
27:38
important what is this motive and that
27:40
his motive was we're getting railroaded
27:44
here and I want to prove that this money
27:47
is being moved over so many people have
27:50
speculated and we don't know yet but we
27:52
do have the two Russians that were
27:54
expelled because they said it was a
27:57
Russian reports against fact illative
28:00
here but that there was this transfer so
28:04
we don't know if Seth was performing
28:07
that transfer or he was reacting to
28:09
someone else moving that data up to the
28:13
coins are certainly interesting though
28:14
the timing to Russian analysts the two
28:17
Russian analysts do say it move a very
28:19
large unusual amount of traffic like you
28:21
know more than ten times from the
28:24
Clinton from the DNC to the Clinton
28:26
Foundation which seems odd just oddity
28:29
anomaly have you ever heard of something
28:31
called NGP van does that mean anything
28:34
to you now okay that's rotating it well
28:36
it's the software database that was used
28:39
for voter information tracking right at
28:41
DNC and it seems to be related to this
28:43
data spike and possibly something set
28:46
which might have been interested in
28:47
certainly something WikiLeaks would have
28:49
been interested in if you were trying to
28:51
prove what I just said which is they're
28:53
taking the money away from the Bernie
28:55
Kratz and getting it to the hillock rats
28:57
you could use this software this band
29:00
software to prove that you could say oh
29:03
this is a long set of conversations
29:05
let's say we had five or six emails of
29:08
each exchange and then you know rod
29:10
wheeler set up we're going to give five
29:11
thousand dollars to the DNC if then that
29:14
showed up later is a five thousand
29:16
dollar donation to the Hillary then you
29:19
could say whoa hey Steve two things
29:21
don't mix and match so there is some
29:25
chatter within the WikiLeaks gap
29:28
McFadden being in WikiLeaks UK that
29:31
that's exactly the kinds of
29:33
conversations that he was having saying
29:35
here's what I need I say coaching him
29:37
and saying here's what I need to prove
29:39
almost out of the zip code level now
29:41
that's obviously speculation on my part
29:44
just knowing Gavin McFadden in his
29:47
journalism school that he had so that's
29:50
why I asked the characterization of how
29:52
much traffic and he know back and forth
29:54
back and forth we didn't go into detail
29:56
at all matter of fact I didn't even know
29:59
the number of emails because the local
30:01
Fox 5 reporter Maria Morocco marina
30:03
Morocco the one that wasn't supposed to
30:06
break that story that night yeah
30:08
and she wasn't
30:09
I don't know if you ever had heard that
30:10
before but she wasn't didn't know that
30:12
yeah it was just going to be a teaser
30:14
because we wanted FoxNews to break the
30:18
story the next day if they were going to
30:20
break the story I just kind of call
30:22
myself sharing some information I had
30:24
just heard with Maria marina and she
30:26
says she was just going to do a teaser
30:27
she wind up making it an exclusive cause
30:30
it's a local affiliate not the main
30:31
right but it blew up right for some but
30:37
so anyway that's kind of what happened
30:40
with that whole process in terms of how
30:43
the information got out but yeah I
30:44
didn't have any detail in terms of what
30:47
this FBI informant had told the Fox News
30:50
reporter Malia I had no detail because
30:53
see I was in my car when she called me
30:54
sure and I was on my way to Fox as a
30:57
matter of fact to do a show called
30:59
making money with Charles Payne we were
31:01
going to talk about ms-13 that a real at
31:04
six o'clock so I was on my way downtown
31:06
DC anyway when she caught so I wasn't at
31:09
my computer and so I'm on the phone
31:10
listening to her we cancelled that
31:13
segment that day uh-huh but I stayed
31:15
downtown and had dinner at a restaurant
31:16
called art and soul and marina came to
31:19
the restaurant and got a 30-second clip
31:22
for me and that was the exclusive story
31:25
oh well that's what she led with that
31:27
bag yeah 30 seconds yeah needless
31:31
Newberry has changed your life now rod
31:34
did the death of Shawn Lucas coming to
31:36
your investigation at all and what you
31:40
have any thoughts about that that you
31:41
can share with us Robert oh yes for the
31:43
first part no for the auditor god I do
31:46
have some thoughts about some Lucas's
31:48
death
31:48
yeah we've been very sort of fascinated
31:52
by the idea that Shawn Lucas Gavin
31:55
McFadden John Jones Michael Ratner Seth
31:59
Rich all died within a proximity of two
32:03
or three months some of them being in
32:05
their 20s and all of them being related
32:08
either directly or indirectly through
32:12
WikiLeaks DNC data and all of this whole
32:16
thing is not really anything you can
32:18
tell us about that I can't go into
32:20
detail right now about that hopefully at
32:22
some
32:23
and I will be able to earth but I will
32:25
tell you this on March 31st I did a fox
32:29
local Fox 5 show that morning live on
32:33
the set yep
32:34
just this year I just started the
32:36
investigation and I shared with the
32:39
anchor on the air that I'm uncovering a
32:42
lot of somewhat of an underground
32:46
organized crime ring I said this on the
32:49
air that's the name we want to ask you
32:51
of and beyond the set rich murder and
32:55
the anchor at the talisman Seymour's her
32:58
name don't you say well can you talk a
33:00
little bit more about that right I said
33:01
I can that's it but I'm just finding
33:04
some things that's really making me a
33:05
little uncomfortable and that's what you
33:08
just met with all those names that's
33:09
what I was finding and was SceI you
33:12
involved in that criminal syndicate at
33:14
all not as far as I knew at that time
33:17
are we going to get killed for having
33:19
this interview with it as a lot of our
33:22
viewers are emailing us but that might
33:24
happen well there there is another thing
33:28
that happens is that the police chief
33:32
Lanier I think it was Kathleen Cathy
33:35
Lanier
33:35
yeah no Kathy she seems to have a very
33:38
strong relationship with Debbie
33:40
wasserman-schultz she seems to have a
33:41
strong relationship with Amy Dacey the
33:44
boss of assets rich and a little bit of
33:50
a checkered past on the force we were
33:52
reading an article today from a local
33:53
paper that said there were a lot of sort
33:56
of disgruntled officers who left under
33:58
her command I can't talk about that it
34:00
looks like well perfect
34:03
I didn't work under Kathy okay I was in
34:05
the Academy with Kathy oh really when
34:07
Kathy for years really and she's always
34:09
been a very nice person I've never seen
34:11
anything that would indicate anything
34:13
wrong this is done or questionable I
34:16
have well we're not we're not saying
34:18
questionable it's just the facts in the
34:20
article stated that the officer roles
34:22
are really dwindling under her and that
34:24
a lot of officers were leaving the force
34:26
somewhere I wouldn't say a lot though
34:28
there were some because he had some
34:31
Buse with certain commanders that you
34:34
know a lot of I know a lot of the
34:35
officers say wow you know that's kind of
34:37
crazy and went to other departments I've
34:40
heard but I don't know anything specific
34:42
and Turtleback I have heard some things
34:45
and I don't want to say I'll tell you
34:48
later but I have to heard some things I
34:49
wouldn't repeat it now on camera because
34:51
I can't verify it the others if I don't
34:53
want to speculate cliff and I will I
34:55
will share with you what I heard later
34:57
after cameras are off okay okay so it
35:00
there are some emails in the WikiLeaks
35:03
from John Podesta especially not the
35:05
first set of WikiLeaks which is
35:07
happening somewhere between May 25th is
35:10
the last email and then June June 12th
35:14
or 13th somewhere in there that's set
35:17
rich could might be the person that gave
35:19
those but there's a second set that come
35:21
out in October 7th timeframe that you
35:25
certainly couldn't have given because
35:27
they have later later time frames after
35:30
his death so there is a second person
35:33
now there's a guy there's a there are
35:39
several emails in those Podesta leaks
35:41
that say we need to make an example out
35:43
of someone just some things that you
35:46
know I call out who is the leaker who is
35:49
the leaker and then that's the response
35:52
Eric Braverman so it would lead you to
35:55
believe that there was some state of
35:57
mind that there was someone else other
36:00
than then there's a an ambassador from
36:04
UK his name's Craig Murray he flies over
36:06
here tries to get in the country on the
36:08
6th of September that doesn't work and
36:12
then he comes in I think for speech at
36:14
American University around September
36:16
22nd 23rd he says he goes to the back of
36:20
American University wooded area and gets
36:23
a thumb drive from wikio somebody from
36:28
the DNC and WikiLeaks so putting to it
36:32
or one one together you know maybe
36:34
WikiLeaks leaker to knows what he leaks
36:37
leaker what did any of these guys come
36:40
into the investigation al not in mine
36:42
hmm so he's still alive I don't know how
36:46
much longer sorry yeah Greg very well
36:48
and Eric Craven we don't know that was
36:50
the start of George's investigation is
36:52
where is this guy Eric Braverman there's
36:54
still no one can find him well he never
36:57
had a public appearance there's been a
36:59
couple of tweets that said hello Eric
37:00
Craven is going to run the Google
37:02
foundation but that isn't really like
37:05
going out getting a cup of coffee at
37:06
Starbucks right George has been to Yale
37:08
investigating you know seminars he's
37:11
supposed to be giving that are
37:11
mysteriously rescheduled I went to an
37:14
apartment that was supposedly his
37:16
apartment that seemed like an apartment
37:18
I didn't want a knock on the door of so
37:21
there's a lot of mystery surrounding him
37:23
there's one other name I want to ask you
37:26
about did did someone by the name of
37:28
Wingate Robinson come into the
37:30
investigation at all one of the officers
37:33
I guess there's a moped officer that
37:37
first comes to seeing a woman and then
37:38
there's this mister officer Wendy
37:43
Robinson comes there and then there's
37:45
three of the officers have body cams and
37:48
two don't they'll ever heard of that
37:51
yeah yeah and but I was told that no one
37:54
knows where the body cam video footage
37:57
is how common is that would you say my
37:58
comment at all just the police
38:00
department of a major city I can see it
38:03
if we were you know small down aisle
38:05
with somewhere we're talking to major
38:06
city yeah lose the video cab for
38:09
everybody it's very strange and you know
38:11
something that I'm sure you're familiar
38:13
with having been on the force and
38:14
everything I see a lot of parallels in
38:17
the mysterious death of Seth rich and
38:21
another government employee Vince Foster
38:25
now people are definitely going to call
38:27
me a conspiracy theorist about this but
38:29
when I see similarities like missing
38:31
photographic evidence anyone questioning
38:35
the story being immediately called a
38:37
conspiracy theorist and being kind of
38:38
like you know run out of town and cease
38:40
and assisted and yeah made fun of on the
38:42
internet why is that happening no no it
38:46
seems strange doesn't it yes right
38:48
it's a it's to cause somewhat of a
38:52
distraction or a deflection I guess I
38:54
should say you know what I mean if they
38:56
can shift the narrative to in this
38:58
particular case to this horrible former
39:02
DC detective who's really just you know
39:04
just talking about you talking about me
39:06
disappeared into that you seem like a
39:08
nice guy
39:09
focus being focused on who killed this
39:12
guy
39:12
listen to what I'm saying let's see and
39:15
I think they've been somewhat successful
39:17
which shift what sifting then absolutely
39:19
we went to the cry what's the crime
39:22
scene I knocked on doors a lot of the
39:25
people I talked to said no one not about
39:27
any doors no one said hey did you see
39:30
anything which normally collecting
39:32
witnesses near the crime scene is pretty
39:34
much 101 I went to the convenience store
39:37
which is cata corner from W and Flagler
39:39
and asked for the camera footage and got
39:44
really kind of an aggressive response
39:46
from people coming to the store third
39:49
parties in kind of an intimidating
39:51
fashion so somehow that's lost it could
39:56
be a store footage is lost the police
39:58
department has that they do each
40:00
department has been camera foot have you
40:01
got the money of it I haven't think I
40:03
can see it I haven't seen it now they
40:04
tell me how I need it but I need to see
40:06
it I don't need if emily is not a
40:08
Georgia look at what I said I can't see
40:11
so you've been told the convenience oh I
40:13
was told of the video but but I was told
40:15
that it doesn't really so much well what
40:18
would it then why can't we see it so
40:22
there's really more questions than there
40:23
are answers at this point but where did
40:26
you get the name Wingate Robinson you
40:28
said I know that was one of the officers
40:29
on this thing yeah have you heard
40:31
anything about that person well there's
40:33
a strong tie to John Podesta Georgetown
40:36
he ran track for Georgetown and he was I
40:39
think he was running back at Georgetown
40:42
and I I don't know what kind of
40:44
connections to the Podesta's since then
40:46
but I do know had Heather Podesta the
40:49
previous wife of his brother Tony is has
40:53
strong ties with
40:54
DC police I think and that's where
40:57
pressure could be coming from and I
40:59
think almost a kind of a fatherly
41:02
interest in in Australoid Gate
41:05
Robinson's so I just think everyone
41:07
wants to see at arm's length
41:09
relationship in the investigation and
41:13
can't understand why these normal things
41:15
don't happen right so I think that's and
41:20
his odd because I published all the
41:22
badge numbers and I published all the
41:23
names but his name was capitalized
41:25
almost like if you're pressed talk to
41:28
this guy because you know it was just an
41:30
odd passenger not pressed for me
41:33
well those are really all the questions
41:35
that I had George anything else I want
41:37
to talk about yeah I have a couple I
41:39
mean with the ShotSpotter
41:40
be able to I mean that 22 sounds a lot
41:44
of 4438 right would it be able to
41:47
determine the caliber of the gun not
41:50
precisely but it it give you a pretty
41:52
good idea did they share that
41:54
information with you that I didn't need
41:56
to see it okay
41:57
why so oh that's what you're told your
41:59
ID to see it I don't need to see it so
42:01
there was an I mean it's really an
42:03
instruction of your investigation it was
42:05
it it was an FBI car that was
42:08
burglarized the FBI offered $10,000
42:10
there was a weapon stolen but more
42:14
importantly a radio secure radio that
42:17
was missing any connection it's odd it's
42:22
see what seems odd to me is the FBI
42:24
would offer the $10,000 for the recovery
42:26
of the radio but not offer $100,000
42:29
let's say for the recovery of
42:31
information relating to Seth Rich's
42:33
death yeah I can't say anything about
42:35
God okay I want to but I can't imagine I
42:39
want to but again what do you what do
42:41
you think the odds are that you'll be
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able to publish your report we're
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working my attorney is working with the
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family's attorney and we're trying to
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reach some kind of a settlement they
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adamantly do not want me here
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and any information I have period no
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matter what so we'll have to see where
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it go okay is there have you been
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involved in these cases where there's a
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public right to know versus the family's
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wishes I mean I haven't yeah see because
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it's interesting this murder case really
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has become kind of the crux of the whole
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entire impeachment where it's a question
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of Russia hacking or some internal
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person leaking and irrespective of what
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anyone thinks about the man who is the
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president currently we're talking about
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an assault on the Office of the
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President of the United States and that
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seems like a very serious matter to have
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all of these things happening to really
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obstruct the effective investigation of
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this murder that is so important
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absolutely yeah we're very concerned
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about that and that's actually why we
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asked you here today and we're really
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happy they got to be in one of the two
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it well the first two doors that you
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spoke of but it's either a leak or to
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hack at this point I need the right
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Schumer and and shit for pushing the
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hack pretty strong and or it could be a
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leak and that answer is behind door
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number three I'd really love to hide
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they don't want me to see guys like
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crazy okay
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well listen rod we really appreciate the
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time I think we appreciate you angry
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forthcoming as you should be nice
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meeting you
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absolutely right hopefully we can speak
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to you again in the future absolutely
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thank you