Iri vs. Crim but no Yuma yet

IRI vs. CRIM

ALITA THE BATTLEBOARDER VS. CAPTAIN MARVEL:

Crim starts out making general assertions regarding Alita’s physical superiority.

The “Alita's Defense vs Captain Marvel's Offense” section makes fair points; Crim showed relatively clean-cut durability feats for Alita - taking multiple hits from someone who collapses buildings and being embedded into metal - as well as Alita being inclined to dodge and block with SKILL while Carol is a BRAWLER.

“Alita's Offense vs Captain Marvel's Defense” follows the same note; the shockwave striking feat given to Alita indeed seems to be capable of harming Carol as far as this single response goes - something Iri ought to try to change up next. Carol’s vulnerability to “sonics-like” attacks is also potentially a problem against Alita’s “Hertz Haeon”.

Iri however comes in with a solid display of Carol’s strength, opposing Crim’s claims. These all seem pretty good - but I’m not sold on Carol’s piercing durability if that’s all there is to it (3 layers of scaling across decades of comics bro).

Iri’s argument regarding Carol’s flight being hypersonic seems just irrelevant. Speed is equalized. Unless this is to be a speed boost proper, speed is still equalized, not half-equalized. Carol’s flight is the same speed as all else as far as this argument goes.

Overall Carol is definitely stronger than what Crim argued her to be. Iri also attacks Alita’s physicals relatively well, admitting that they are just ok. Herzta Haeon not working because Carol too stronk is good; kinda whack Black Bolt scaling argument tho, as Crim later points out.

While I don’t think Crim was quite arguing that way regarding Alita’s skills, Iri also has a nice but unnecessarily aggro section countering the supposed skill advantage. “Alita's skill is sufficient to perform neat, but inefficient tricks on people inferior to her and rely on her being faster to execute” wowie.

Crim’s 2nd response comes in and he kinda shits his pants in “Re-establishing Alita's Offense vs Carol's Defense” as that was a single paragraph that didn’t really re-establish much.

I guess I buy the argument of Carol not being capable of absorbing Alita’s energy as well, or at least not doing so in-character. The scans Iri shows in R1 and R2 are done with, in fact, excess energy or after breaking bits of the robot to reach its internals. She most certainly can’t simply touch Alita and make her go windows xp shutting off sound.

HOWEVER, regarding Carol’s piercing dura, the “scaling across decades in this case to imply War Machines Bullets are are comparable to those of a tank seems dubious” argument is really damn solid, as I said before even. In that sense, “Alita hitting Carol along a narrow surface area is going to penetrate her. After penetration Alita can continue with severe internal damage to defeat Captain Marvel” is a very good win-con that Iri ought to counter to not lose… and he doesn’t do it properly.

“This character is called the Master of the World, someone who's already strong (Sasquatch is strong asf), and the reason why he looks like a golden knight thing is because he's wielding the Thundersword. The Thundersword is a creation of the Beyonder, an extremely powerful extradimensional entity.”

I’m sorry bro but 1. how does that first scan translates to scaling to Sasquatch’s strength and why is Sasquatch even that good; 2. ok but does the sword actually have cutting feats?

The War Machine scaling still kinda sucks as well. Layers of scaling across decades don’t make me believe War Machine’s shoulder gun is >>> tank shells.

VERDICT: this is definitely not a stomp by any means, and I could easily see it going either way; however, as I pointed out, Crim’s win condition of Alita piercing through Carol is very solid, and from then on Alita would absolutely dominate the fight. Skill is not nearly as relevant here as Iri made it seem, Crim was just arguing that Carol isn’t very inclined to dodge, and, from what was argued, I agree. Alita is also still pretty fucking strong; that shockwave punch is pretty bonkers and would indeed injure Carol as she was argued. Carol could also, of course, win this battle, but all arguments laid out, Crim’s Alita definitely is taking the win more often than not. But bro focus on Alita’s physicals more next time.

ALITA WINS.

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KILLER BEE VS. AH GOU

Crim opens up with a very solid win condition - Bee’s piercing. Bee has 8 swords and they can all slash through stone or metal. Ah Gou, on the other hand, as far as this response goes, has no meaningful piercing durability.

Bee also strong and durable plus tentacles and willingness to impale Ah Gou. Strong stabby stabs = good win con so far. The feats displayed definitely show Bee having a massive strength and durability advantage.

However Iri busts out this nifty ability called Monochrome, which halves the stats of Gou’s opponents. Here, it’s argued that it would be instantly activated.

Iri also re-establishes Ah Gou’s physicals with the statue and house feats, which are... ok. He also argues that Bee’s swords are his main way of injuring the opponent, and Ah Gou can block those, making Bee largely ofenseless. Stronk Monochrome shatters swords.

Iri also attacks Bee’s physicals with some good points, some not so much. Bee tossing the Raikage doesn’t seem to translate to Raikage tackling someone with two arms indeed unless Crim successfully argues it that way. Chidori scaling sucks. The Juugo feat x Ah Gou statue feat comparison is kinda whack - they both break stone but my stone-breaking is more impressive cause I said so.

The organs argument is a damn fine one if not for a single statement, which Crim ought to try to counter.

Crim’s 2nd response comes in and he presses harder on the “Bee is strong” key, rightfully so. He now shows a full-body charge that collapses an entire plateau, which is pretty fucking sweet, and is definitely above Ah Gou’s house-destroying durability. Crim also restates how Bee took a pretty good strike without flinching, going against the “Bee has no endurance and thus Ah Gou takes him down in a few” argument by Iri.

The main card here seems to be Monochrome though, as halving stats and blocking stuff is a pretty big dick advantage.

In that sense, Crim makes a very good point with “This hinges on Ah Gou opening with Monochrome which has yet to be demonstrated”.

I can mildly agree with the notion that “Killer Bee clearly intended to be stronger than the Raikage there”

Crim does counter the organs argument with “Saying that tier setter has super humanly strong organs for being able to take impacts, but Bee doesn't is poor interpretation. It's very clear that Bee's organs aren't suffering from heavy trauma after the hits he sustains.”, which is the problematic statement I just mentioned. It seems like a double standard to argue Thing has durable organs cause Big Impacts, but Bee doesn’t when he also takes Big Impacts.

Overall this is coming off as Bee is way the fuck stronger than Ah Gou’s durability and is definitely capable of outright killing him with the blades - unless Monochrome. But, as Crim argued, he might not open with Monochrome before dying to stabby stabs.

And Iri’s 2nd response kinda fails at demonstrating that, as well as fails at countering Bee’s physical advantage. I don’t see how the plateau feat is vague bro.

Anyway, Monochrome: one of the scans there is literally Ah Gou pinned down before finally activating it… bruh…

Monochrome can most definitely shatter Bee’s blades if it’s used to block them, but none of these - which were just posted with no context whatsoever - demonstrate that Ah Gou would 1. open with Monochrome; 2. successfully deflect all 8 blades in a prolonged fight.

VERDICT: Bee wins. As argued, he has a very clear physical advantage here, as well as the ability to just fucking kill Ah Gou with his blades. Monochrome is damn sweet, and woulda most certainly won Iri the battle had Iri properly demonstrated - with context - that Ah Gou instantly opens up with it before… being pinned to the ground by a random opponent? Except that, in this case, he would be pinned by Bee’s blades, which can cut metal and rocks as shown, and thus kill Ah Gou. Bee’s strength vs. Ah Gou’s shitty durability is just a clean win.

KILLER BEE WINS.