pideyMon: try not being a racist douchebag all the time, and you may do a little better around here
[8:24pm] ktx49: not a racist but thanks
[8:24pm] ktx49: and hop off da jock
[8:25pm] SpideyMon: not sure what "da jock" is
[8:25pm] ktx49: hop off
[8:25pm] SpideyMon: try speaking in words people understand
[8:25pm] ktx49: you're riding me
[8:25pm] SpideyMon: in any case, just working on repressing your racist tendencies and you'll be great
[8:25pm] ktx49: funny
[8:25pm] SpideyMon: thanks, i try
[8:26pm] ktx49: im racist i learn something new everyday
[8:26pm] SpideyMon: hey if the blind leads the blind.....
[8:27pm] ktx49: just curious
[8:27pm] ktx49: where u got that im racist
[8:27pm] SpideyMon: you should just figure out who is your tour guide, that way you can learn better
[8:29pm] ktx49: im confuscious
[8:29pm] ktx49: confoosed me to death
[8:29pm] ktx49: im racist
[8:29pm] ktx49: how
[8:29pm] SpideyMon: oh you're still talking
[8:30pm] SpideyMon: well i could just give you the "if i seriously have to explain it....well that says it all"
[8:30pm] SpideyMon: but more accurately....
[8:30pm] ktx49: but
[8:30pm] ktx49: if im racists
[8:30pm] ktx49: i hate dumb people
[8:30pm] SpideyMon: where do you get off maligning *all* of the indigineous peoples of this land as "not genuine" or such
[8:30pm] ktx49: is dumb people a race
[8:30pm] SpideyMon: im just curious how you can make generalizations like that
[8:30pm] ktx49: umm since we wiped out the last of their culture
[8:31pm] SpideyMon: so "indian" is one culture?
[8:31pm] ktx49: its like me going and studying the ancient egyptians
[8:31pm] ktx49: doing some of their ancent rituals and practices
[8:31pm] SpideyMon: um
[8:31pm] SpideyMon: what?
[8:31pm] ktx49: and then saying im ancient egyptian
[8:32pm] ktx49: the cultures done, what u have today is not authentic
[8:32pm] SpideyMon: so you're an expert on indigienous american cultures then?
[8:32pm] ktx49: no im an expert in bullshit
[8:32pm] ktx49: and i dont like being fed it
[8:32pm] ktx49: people want to have some rich history
[8:32pm] SpideyMon: so i just want to get this straight
[8:32pm] ktx49: but they need to face the facts, there is none here
[8:33pm] ktx49: its literally like jersey shore
[8:33pm] ktx49: they think they are italians
[8:33pm] SpideyMon: your expert level in "bullshit" enables you to....detect all forms of bullshit?
[8:33pm] ktx49: yessir
[8:33pm] SpideyMon: thats fantastic, maybe you could help me debug a few programs?
[8:34pm] ktx49: its just a desire for attention
[8:34pm] SpideyMon: also, all of the news networks would like to hire you
[8:34pm] SpideyMon: literally, all
[8:34pm] ktx49: these people feel like maybe if they are this culture or that culture they will be something different
[8:34pm] ktx49: its rough these days
[8:34pm] ktx49: everyones the same
[8:35pm] SpideyMon: wait hang on before we go to whats wrong witht he world today
[8:35pm] ktx49: show me one of these so called indeginous people who know a single thing about the way their great great grandparents lived
[8:35pm] SpideyMon: we cant solve everything that fast, it would be too much too fast
[8:35pm] SpideyMon: lets just focus on applying this bullshit detector
[8:35pm] ktx49: bullshit detector its not necessarily that they are intenionally bullshiting
[8:35pm] ktx49: it doesnt discriminate
[8:35pm] SpideyMon: wait
[8:36pm] SpideyMon: the bullshit detector is more powerful than a simple polygraph? wow
[8:36pm] ktx49: ur jeally
[8:36pm] ktx49: i can help
[8:36pm] ktx49: first of all
[8:36pm] SpideyMon: it actually evaluates real-world veracity of statements?
[8:36pm] SpideyMon: man thats neat
[8:36pm] ktx49: stop pretending to be a native, this is the year 2011
[8:36pm] SpideyMon: im not pretending to be anything lol, im just being myself
[8:37pm] ktx49: nobody using an internet forum for vaporizing marijuana is indigenous anything, ok?
[8:37pm] ktx49: living on a reservation =/= being cherokee or whateve rit is
[8:37pm] ktx49: i dont know how to break it to people
[8:37pm] ktx49: it hurts
[8:38pm] SpideyMon: it must be a big burden
[8:38pm] ktx49: when they realize they are living a lie
[8:38pm] ktx49: it is
[8:38pm] ktx49: too many people are afraid of what others think and dont say the truth
[8:38pm] SpideyMon: all that weight on your shoulders....not knowing how to explain to people how they arent as aware as you
[8:38pm] ktx49: ur worried about being PC im worried abot being BS free
[8:38pm] ktx49: its true
[8:38pm] SpideyMon: is the air thin up there?
[8:39pm] ktx49: u can call me condescending
[8:39pm] ktx49: i could care less, when u realize that ur life will be a bit easier
[8:40pm] SpideyMon: so i actually lived in new mexico for a few months....had a friend who grew up on the reservation until he was 28, then left for school
[8:40pm] ktx49: and i am in fact more intelligent than id say 99% of people i meet, its not exactly fun at times
[8:40pm] SpideyMon: is he native? or he was until he left for school?
[8:40pm] SpideyMon: or he never was
[8:40pm] ktx49: hes nto native because no native people exist
[8:40pm] ktx49: never was exactly
[8:40pm] SpideyMon: so when you said
[8:40pm] ktx49: how can a people re-appear a hundred years later?
[8:41pm] ktx49: where did they go for generations?
[8:41pm] ktx49: it doesnt work like that
[8:41pm] SpideyMon: lol
[8:41pm] ktx49: u dont just conviently trace ur lineage when its advantageous for you
[8:41pm] SpideyMon: so the reservations, and the people on there.....they didnt exist for that time?
[8:42pm] ktx49: no, but ignoring 95% of your genetics is just retarded
[8:42pm] SpideyMon: wait now im really confused
[8:42pm] ktx49: rofl dude
[8:42pm] SpideyMon: if 95% of their genetics are native american....they should ignore it?
[8:43pm] ktx49: rofl if 95% of their genetics are european, they cant ignore that and focus on the 1 or 2% that suits them
[8:43pm] SpideyMon: ok
[8:43pm] SpideyMon: but what about if 95% of their genetics are native american?
[8:43pm] ktx49: aint happenin unless u go to mexico or lower
[8:43pm] ktx49: maybe a few here and rthere
[8:43pm] SpideyMon: well, thats not entirely true
[8:44pm] SpideyMon: but thats irrelevant
[8:44pm] SpideyMon: what if 95% of their relatives are native american?
[8:44pm] ktx49: ok so where were these indians in 1900
[8:45pm] SpideyMon: well i certainly dont know, i dont have your bullshit detecting abilities
[8:45pm] ktx49: u skip almost a century of history
[8:45pm] SpideyMon: but id just really like to know
[8:45pm] ktx49: u cant just go from natives being disbanded and assimilated
[8:45pm] SpideyMon: in your opinion, what if 95% of a person's relatives are native american?
[8:46pm] ktx49: rofl the culture DIED u cant just bring it back
[8:46pm] ktx49: they lost generations
[8:46pm] ktx49: they are trying hard
[8:46pm] ktx49: to remember little things
[8:46pm] SpideyMon: they lost generations?t hey being "the indians"?
[8:46pm] ktx49: yawn
[8:47pm] SpideyMon: just trying to learn something here
[8:47pm] ktx49: there is no north american native cultures that i respect as authentic, period end of story
[8:47pm] ktx49: its all fake expoitations
[8:47pm] ktx49: casinos
[8:48pm] ktx49: nothing left dude
[8:48pm] ktx49: the stuff they show is fake
[8:48pm] ktx49: its wishful thinking at best
[8:48pm] ktx49: and competely fraudulent exploitation of their genetic lineage
[8:48pm] ktx49: at worst
[8:49pm] ktx49: genetic heritage =/= cultural heritage  do you get that??
[8:49pm] SpideyMon: so the tribes that still exist today, have been on rezo's since the 1800's.........
[8:49pm] SpideyMon: and dont do any of that stuff (like say, the Hopi)
[8:49pm] SpideyMon: what about them?
[8:49pm] ktx49: fake
[8:50pm] SpideyMon: so they were always fake
[8:50pm] ktx49: mexicans mostly
[8:50pm] ktx49: with native lineage
[8:50pm] ktx49: no
[8:50pm] ktx49: anything id say after the film era started
[8:50pm] SpideyMon: well the tribe has been in the same area of southern utah since the 1880's.....
[8:50pm] ktx49: is pretty much a fake
[8:51pm] ktx49: and im sure they;ve been practicing their ways this whole time
[8:51pm] ktx49: rofl
[8:51pm] ktx49: no, they compeltely forgot that shit until it became cool again in the last 20 years
[8:51pm] SpideyMon: you mean in the same way that catholicism hasnt changed at all ever?
[8:51pm] ktx49: now they realize its a meal ticket
[8:51pm] ktx49: let me repeat
[8:51pm] ktx49: genetic heritage =/= cultural heritage
[8:52pm] SpideyMon: so what you're saying is that there may be genetic indians
[8:52pm] SpideyMon: but no cultural indians
[8:52pm] ktx49: yes EXACTLY.
[8:52pm] ktx49: finally u understand
[8:52pm] ktx49: rofl
[8:52pm] SpideyMon: so that friend of mine
[8:52pm] ktx49: anyhone can find some indian genetics
[8:52pm] ktx49: ive told u already i have some cherokee in me enough in fact to apply for citizenship or whatever its called
[8:52pm] SpideyMon: he father, grand father, and great grandfather (easily 100 years) were all for real indians
[8:52pm] SpideyMon: new all the old ways and such
[8:52pm] SpideyMon: great grand didnt speak a word of english
[8:52pm] ktx49: what old ways?
[8:52pm] SpideyMon: grand spoke a tiny, but not really much
[8:53pm] SpideyMon: um, go read a book?
[8:53pm] ktx49: lols man
[8:53pm] ktx49: u need to brush up on real history
[8:53pm] ktx49: not this wishful thinking shit
[8:53pm] ktx49: these indians, t hey wish they had a culture but we killed it off
[8:53pm] ktx49: its not their fault
[8:53pm] SpideyMon: sure could you recommend a book for me then?
[8:54pm] ktx49: yawn
[8:54pm] SpideyMon: im just saying if you have all this useful knowledge, cant you share with me some good reference material?
[8:54pm] ktx49: there are no culturally authentic indians left in N. America IMO
[8:54pm] ktx49: no im not writing a paper
[8:55pm] ktx49: its common sense
[8:55pm] SpideyMon: so "real history" is common sense?
[8:55pm] SpideyMon: not history from books
[8:55pm] ktx49: these people had no culture for hundred + years suddenly its cool to have heritage again and they all our the real deal authentic indians
[8:55pm] ktx49: where were these people even 50 years ago?
[8:57pm] ktx49: i can teach u more
[8:57pm] ktx49: but at some point its gonna cost u
[8:57pm] SpideyMon: sure, you should just write a book and then it can cost me and everyone else
[8:58pm] ktx49: na
[8:58pm] ktx49: i just dont like fakes
[8:58pm] ktx49: its like a vapor buddy
[8:58pm] SpideyMon: call it that
[8:58pm] SpideyMon: or maybe call it "no bullshit"
[8:58pm] ktx49: it works, it looks like a duck walks like a duck
[8:58pm] ktx49: but it aint no mother fuckin vapor genie
[8:58pm] ktx49: these "natives"
[8:59pm] ktx49: they have zero knowledge of their real customes
[8:59pm] ktx49: customs
[8:59pm] ktx49: values
[8:59pm] ktx49: traditions
[8:59pm] ktx49: practices
[8:59pm] ktx49: ceromonies
[8:59pm] ktx49: today they learn from history books
[8:59pm] ktx49: not from their parents or their grand parents
[8:59pm] ktx49: that is NOT authentic
[8:59pm] ktx49: sorry if you dont understand that
[9:00pm] ktx49: i can read books on how to live like a japanese that doesnt make me japenese when i practice it
[9:00pm] SpideyMon: so if they had learned it from their grandparents
[9:00pm] SpideyMon: is that still not authentic?
[9:01pm] ktx49: zzz
[9:01pm] ktx49: fake indians gonna fake
[9:01pm] ktx49: not sure what else u want from me
[9:01pm] SpideyMon: im just curious to know what would be legitimate
[9:01pm] SpideyMon: in a theoretical sense
[9:01pm] SpideyMon: just so i better understand what it all means
[9:02pm] ktx49: to me legitimate
[9:02pm] ktx49: is an unbroken succession of culture being passed down generation to generation
[9:03pm] SpideyMon: so in a theoretical sense, if a person learns their culture from their parents/grandparents, who learned it from their parents/grandparents, and so on....
[9:03pm] SpideyMon: thats "legitimate
[9:03pm] SpideyMon: "
[9:03pm] ktx49: not a 100 year gap where a group of people with some native DNA lineage decide to read a westerners account of theiir people from hundreds of years ago
[9:03pm] ktx49: and re learn their culture to exploit a new found fascination/guilt westerners have with natives
[9:04pm] SpideyMon: amidoinitrite?
[9:04pm] ktx49: unbroken succession of culture being learned and passed from generation to generation
[9:04pm] ktx49: pretty sure this is like ANTHRO 101
[9:04pm] ktx49: but
[9:05pm] ktx49: you know im just a bad guy who likes to make people feel fake
[9:05pm] ktx49: no.
[9:05pm] ktx49: im just telling the truth instead of acting like i believe these attention seeking liars
[9:06pm] ktx49: everyones euro descent
[9:06pm] ktx49: but you can be special
[9:06pm] ktx49: if your native
[9:06pm] SpideyMon: interesting....everyone is of european descent?
[9:06pm] ktx49: lol
[9:06pm] SpideyMon: man the things i learn from you
[9:07pm] ktx49: well maybe if u tried instead of just arguing
[9:07pm] ktx49: im giving u alot
[9:07pm] SpideyMon: im certainly not trying to argue, just to learn more about what you're saying
[9:08pm] ktx49: your just not willing to accept truths that dont fit what you want to believe
[9:08pm] ktx49: humans are pathetic
[9:08pm] ktx49: we are programmed to need attention
[9:08pm] SpideyMon: on the contrary, i love to learn, especially when i can correct myself
[9:08pm] ktx49: its a survival mechanism
[9:08pm] ktx49: these people
[9:08pm] ktx49: they need attention
[9:08pm] ktx49: if they werent native american
[9:08pm] ktx49: theyd be vegans,
[9:09pm] ktx49: or gay
[9:09pm] ktx49: or metro
[9:09pm] ktx49: or unique
[9:09pm] ktx49: in some other way
[9:09pm] ktx49: people have this desire especially in todays era of youtube, FB etc
[9:09pm] SpideyMon: so vegan, gay, and metro are the results of attention seeking behavior?
[9:09pm] ktx49: to standout
[9:09pm] ktx49: yes almost eniterly
[9:09pm] ktx49: some people are actually gay
[9:09pm] ktx49: some people actually are vegans because they want to be healthier
[9:10pm] ktx49: but the vast majority of people are seeking attention whether they realize it or not
[9:10pm] ktx49: by being different and special, they can fulfill this need
[9:11pm] ktx49: u can see it
[9:11pm] ktx49: in kids at a young age
[9:11pm] ktx49: ask them to pick heads or tails
[9:11pm] ktx49: if the first two kids pick heads the third will pick tails everytime
[9:12pm] SpideyMon: interesting
[9:12pm] ktx49: u have much to learn
[9:12pm] ktx49: if you havent figured out that 90% of gay people arent actually homosexual
[9:12pm] SpideyMon: so that third kid is picking...."im gay"
[9:12pm] SpideyMon: or "Im gonna be vegan"
[9:13pm] ktx49: that third kid is picking "hey im different pay attention to me"
[9:13pm] SpideyMon: fascinating
[9:13pm] ktx49: not really
[9:13pm] SpideyMon: i had no idea it was so simple
[9:13pm] ktx49: survival mechanism
[9:13pm] SpideyMon: interesting..hows that one work?
[9:14pm] ktx49: i think ur overwhelmed
[9:14pm] SpideyMon: as cavemen, the other two guys went to hunt deer so you went to hunt pig?
[9:14pm] ktx49: no
[9:14pm] ktx49: as cavemen children
[9:15pm] ktx49: yawnz
[9:15pm] SpideyMon: im certainly overwhelmed, but i'l try to keep up with your intellect if you'll just be patient
[9:15pm] ktx49: read and learn young grasshopper
[9:15pm] SpideyMon: what you were gonna finish that thought i thought?
[9:16pm] SpideyMon: as cavemen children....
[9:16pm] SpideyMon: dont leave me hanging
[9:16pm] ktx49: cavemen culture
[9:16pm] ktx49: im gonna revive it
[9:16pm] ktx49: claim im neadrathal
[9:16pm] SpideyMon: awesome, you should
[9:16pm] ktx49: go get some land across the globe make reservations
[9:17pm] ktx49: do some lame dances make up some exotic customes
[9:17pm] ktx49: open up some casinos
[9:17pm] SpideyMon: but im curious about the survival mechanism still
[9:17pm] ktx49: create a sovereign state except when i need something, then ill be part of another country
[9:18pm] ktx49: clearly i have a rich heritage
[9:18pm] ktx49: and i can prove it genetically
[9:18pm] ktx49: many people have a neandrathal gene of some sort
[9:18pm] ktx49: they can all claim it too
[9:19pm] ktx49: but then eventually it wont be unique enough for the attention seekeres
[9:22pm] ktx49: u make my legend
[9:22pm] ktx49: thanks ur scratching my attention itch
[9:22pm] ktx49: now maybe i wont make a new indian culture