VirtualPreacher kicking barabbas

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[06:26] <@Ross> you do much projection onto others barabbas`
[06:26] <+UnderCoverNerd> seems the story about his wife revolves around a comment he made saying the driver was drunk. he was let off without any charges so it is suggested he couldn't possibly have been drunk. probably true, but it was 1972 and drinking and driving was treated a lot differently back then. i don't see any suggestion that it was  proven that the wife was 100% at fault either
[06:27] <+barabbas`> I didn't have to poject anything, YOU said what you said, I am not the only one who saw it.
[06:27] <@Ross> lol UnderCoverNerd
[06:27] <+UnderCoverNerd> not hard to imagine why he might actually believe that to be the case; there's no good way to know otherwise. but ya let's say the widower is emotionally disturbed cuz he believes the driver might have been drunk. seems reasonable
[06:29] <+barabbas`> Ross WHy are you trying to make this about me? You said she ran a stop sign and KILLED herself. It is pretty clear what you meant.
[06:29] <+UnderCoverNerd> and ya his daughter died in the accident too
[06:30] <+barabbas`> yeah, clear indication she was suicidal...
[06:30] <@Ross> Joe, 74, was married to Neilia from 1966 until her death in 1972. Neilia — who was just 30 at the time of her passing — was killed in a car crash on her way to buy a Christmas tree. Her station was whacked by a tractor-trailer as she pulled out from an intersection. The truck driver, unfortunately, did not get charged with any wrongdoings. Their daughter, Naomi, also died in the collision. She was just 13-months-old.
[06:30] <@Ross> http://www.closerweekly.com/posts/joe-biden-s-first-wife-neilia-biden-126805
[06:31] <+barabbas`> I don't see anything about her running a stop sign and KILLING herself. So why did you imply suicide?
[06:32] <@Ross> yeah, i dont either, but then i said traffic light
[06:32] <@Ross> anyway, you can create your own version
[06:32] <+barabbas`> You said she RAN a stop light and KILLED herself.
[06:33] <+barabbas`> I don't have to create a version, anyone can cut and paste it, <@Ross> biden cannot accept that his first wife ran a stop light into the path of an on coming dumptruck and killer herself ..
[06:34] <@Ross> this is an example of how you change what a person said to project your mistaken thoughts onto another <barabbas`> I don't see anything about her running a stop sign an
[06:34] <+UnderCoverNerd> lol you're the one who brought it up when it didn't relate to the conversation at all
[06:34] <+barabbas`> Thats a far cry from Biden having a hard time getting over the death of his wife and daughter. Which is also a LIE considdering how successful he was in the Senate and as VP. To try and discredit him in this manner is sad, very sad.
[06:35] <@Ross> if you drive a red light, or run a stop sign, or pull out into the oncomina path of a truck and the driver the truck cannot stop but kills you, you're at fault not the truck driver
[06:35] <+barabbas`> Ross Why didn't you finish MY statement I said I don't see anything about her running a stop sign AND KILLING HERSELF.
[06:35] <+UnderCoverNerd> we don't know that the driver didn't have time to stop tho?
[06:36] <@Ross> if you drive throuhg a red light, or run a stop sign, or pull out into the oncomina path of a truck and the driver the truck cannot stop but kills you, you're at fault not the truck driver ... you are responsible for your own death ... as such you killed yourself
[06:36] <+barabbas`> Ross No one said she wasn't at fault. YOU IMPLIED SHE DID THIS DELIBERATLY.
[06:37] <@Ross> i think she was driving her vehicle deliberating/intentionally in full control
[06:37] <+barabbas`> Ross You trying to validate your comment is worse than the original comment.
[06:38] <@Ross> anyway, my point was joe biden is emotionally disturbed because he cannot accept the fact that she was at fault and killed herself
[06:40] <+UnderCoverNerd> well i refer you to my above comments about how that's silly
[06:40] <+barabbas`> Ross And now you call him emotionally disturbed. The conversation was about how good of a president he would be. well, he wasn't so emotionally disturbed that his career wasn't one of the most successful senator and VP in the history of the US. Now would you care to talk about how emotionally disturbed Trump obviously is. Lets get back to the original topic. How the world is laughing
[06:40] <+barabbas`> AT us and AT our president and not WITH him as it would be if Biden had been elected.
[06:41] <@Ross> i refer you to your log file before the election if yo want my opinion of trump ... it has not changed
[06:41] <+barabbas`> We have one sick, demented president who feels it ok to personally attack a journalist because she told the truth about his failings as a president and as a man.
[06:41] <@Ross> but i would still vote him before hillary
[06:41] <@VirtualPreacher> to see how good a president joe biden would be watch him manhandle all the little girls in families of those he was swearing in as vice president.
[06:41] <+barabbas`> why do yoyu keep defending him
[06:42] <@VirtualPreacher> there is a reason he has gotten the nickname "creepy"
[06:42] <+barabbas`> ohh goody another INSINTUATION.
[06:43] <+barabbas`> yeah, those who can't measure up will always try to drag down those who are obviously superiot to them
[06:43] <@VirtualPreacher> google "creepy joe biden" to see how much of an "insinuation" the word "creepy" is.
[06:43] <@VirtualPreacher> creeptown city.
[06:43] <@VirtualPreacher> creepomatic
[06:43] <+barabbas`> it isn't the word, its the sick minds of those who see his hugging as creepy. They need to get their own house in order before throwing stones.
[06:44] <@VirtualPreacher> what sick minds? lol
[06:44] <@VirtualPreacher> "hugging" lol
[06:44] <+barabbas`> The sick minds who call Joes hugging creepy,thats who.
[06:44] <@VirtualPreacher> who?
[06:44] <@Ross> now you villify trump because he a a democrat turned republican i think trump is a democratic infiltrator into republican party with the hope he ruin the republican party .... but he got in and now you whine
[06:44] <@VirtualPreacher> has someone called hugging "creepy"?
[06:44] <+UnderCoverNerd> i imagine the people who think that is creepy are the same who think there's something to pizzagate
[06:44] <+barabbas`> Ross I vilify Trump because of HIS actions.
[06:44] * @VirtualPreacher looks around and sees no one that has suggested mere hugging is creepy. looks like barabbas` is hallucinating.
[06:45] <@VirtualPreacher> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy07yHAgM4E  there is one mashup of hundreds. inform yourself.
[06:45] <+barabbas`> ahh, now the personal attack on me, Next I will be called a liar. Not gonna rise up to the childish baiting. God Bless, moving on.
[06:45] <@VirtualPreacher> LOL
[06:46] <@VirtualPreacher> [05:44] <barabbas`> it isn't the word, its the sick minds of those who see his hugging as creepy. They need to get their own house in order before throwing stones. <-----------guess you didnt notice you posted this a minute ago.
[06:47] <@VirtualPreacher> since no one has done any such thing, in spite of you pretending someone did, then calling the straw man you created "sick minded", yes. hallucination is not a personal attack. its among the possibilities.
[06:47] <+UnderCoverNerd> hugs, selfies, pictures with people, o and a joke. yup totes creepy lol
[06:49] <+barabbas`> We have a president who lied about Mika having a facelift. https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/880440204204666881/photo/1
[06:49] <@VirtualPreacher> UnderCoverNerd yes if someone can watch all the manhandling and groping, stroking, rubbing, whispering, fondling of all those little girls by creepy uncle joe in those videos and NOT find it creepy, your probably also creepy.
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[06:50] <+barabbas`> We have a president who is a narcissitic, pathological liar and, just like those who see Joe as creepy, will do anything to prop up this sick, demented man.
[06:50] <+UnderCoverNerd> uh huh
[06:50] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` you might want to get one of those mouthguards so you dont grind your teeth down with all that.
[06:51] <+UnderCoverNerd> the only one that even came close to weird was spitzer's daughter and that's clearly just him telling her something; i guess you can use your imagination as to what that might be
[06:51] <@VirtualPreacher> all that visceral rage bubbling over isnt good for your spleen either.
[06:51] <+barabbas`> I dont need a mouthguard for anything., When you tell the truth, you  have no reason to be angry I would suggest you buy yourself a mouthguard, see to the log in
your own eye.
[06:51] <@VirtualPreacher> UnderCoverNerd lemme guess you watched that 2 min video, and reached this conclusion? or did you actually take time to see him in action?
[06:52] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` what log?
[06:52] <+UnderCoverNerd> take time to see him in action? does he have a show?
[06:52] <+barabbas`> The one that is blinding you to the truth.
[06:52] <@VirtualPreacher> UnderCoverNerd since you mention it, yes he does put on quite a show.
[06:52] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` which is?
[06:52] <+UnderCoverNerd> o ok
[06:52] <@VirtualPreacher> and what "truth" is my "log" blinding me to?
[06:53] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher The one that is causing you to make this personal, to lash out at me in hopes of garnering some support for an argument that has failed the moment you posed it.
[06:53] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` make it personal? you mean by saying you are hallucinating people claiming hugging is creepy?
[06:54] <+UnderCoverNerd> well the video you posted does include many scenes where the only thing i can discern as being creepy is the hug. i mean i guess no one has /said it/
[06:54] <@VirtualPreacher> you mean like you *tried and failed* to mount a personal attack on the straw man you set up "hugging is creepy" by slurring out "sick mind"?
[06:54] <+UnderCoverNerd> i guess those portions and others aren't the representative sample of his creepiness?
[06:54] <+barabbas`> Yeah, You claiming I am hallucinating because your mind is so far in the gutter you see Joe as creepy. Now I am moving on before you find some excuse to kick me. Please dont'address me about anyting but channel rules. God Bless
[06:55] <@VirtualPreacher> UnderCoverNerd i linked that because it was a short one. if you want to see just *how* creepy there is one that analyzes his body language and that of the others around him.
[06:55] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` you already gave me a reason to kick you by attacking me with lies and trying to call me "sick minded" and now accusing me  of having my "mind in the gutter" all because I see that man as creepy.
[06:56] <@VirtualPreacher> I prefer to let you discredit yourself on this stuff with your hysterical unhinged ranting, epithets toward the president, and sidewinder attacks on anyone that doesnt hold up your liberal politicos as heroes.
[06:57] <+barabbas`> I will leave it up to anyone watching this to see who is ranting and who isn't.
[06:58] <+barabbas`> I will leave it up to eveyone watching to decide who is making personal comments about chatters and who is discussing a topic.
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[06:59] <@VirtualPreacher> and I will leave it up to anyone who cares to see who is pathetically defending a supercreep's supercreepy creeping with hysterics and demented personal attacks and who is making a reasonable observation about joe biden's creepitude go google creepy joe biden and judge for themselves.
[06:59] <+UnderCoverNerd> oh cool youtube analysis of his body language? sounds like a good use of time
07:00] <@VirtualPreacher> UnderCoverNerd unless you are trained to do it yourself in which case it would be superfluous.
[07:00] <@VirtualPreacher> but yes please encourage creepy joe to run.
[07:01] <@VirtualPreacher> i can see the ads and posters now. "vote no on creepy joe"
[07:01] <+UnderCoverNerd> o so you have youtube videos of people who would actually be credentialed to do such analysis doing it?
[07:02] <@Ross> lol who was the woman who called trump "you 70 year old man baby, knock it off!"
[07:02] <@VirtualPreacher> youtube is a free site. if the subject interests you, or if you want to have an informed view on it, invest the time.
[07:02] <@VirtualPreacher> Ross dunno but I saw that it was hilarious.
[07:02] <@VirtualPreacher> i forgot who it was.
[07:02] <+UnderCoverNerd> i am not suggesting i have such qualifications
[07:03] <+UnderCoverNerd> i'm asking if the videos you're referencing are from someone who is
[07:03] <@Ross> UCN ... its like this, everyone has their own belief syste, ... i seek to have the faith of Jesus
[07:04] <@VirtualPreacher> trained? yes. "certified"? not sure what "certified" in this context means
[07:05] <+UnderCoverNerd> weird usage of quotation marks given i didn't use that term
[07:05] <+UnderCoverNerd> let's see said video, what is the person's qualifications to do such analysis?
[07:05] <@Ross> a bacholor's degree is like learning a trade ...  a masters learning the finer details .... the ph.d. means you read lots and lots of books and had an opinion
[07:06] <@VirtualPreacher> fair enough you did not use the word "certified" but "credentialed"
[07:06] <@Ross> as such, those who can do, those who cannot teach
[07:06] <+UnderCoverNerd> right because i assume some sort of education goes into it if they're doing it on a legit basis and it isn't just wiki warrioring
[07:06] <@Ross> oh, they use the scientific method
[07:06] <+UnderCoverNerd> i'm sure there isn't a bachelor's in reading body language; but forensic psychology or something maybe? i dunno
[07:06] <@VirtualPreacher> not aware of "body language analysis credentials" lol
[07:07] <+UnderCoverNerd> so what training do they have that makes one believe they are an expert?
[07:07] <@Ross> VirtualPreacher ... i missed the link ... what was it
[07:07] <@VirtualPreacher> its an aspect of human psychology.
[07:07] <@VirtualPreacher> Ross of creepy joe biden?
[07:07] <+UnderCoverNerd> right so wouldn't they then have a degree in psychology?
[07:07] <+UnderCoverNerd> my guess would be a clinical psychologist of some sort?
[07:08] <@Ross> i hate to see it but yes
[07:08] <@VirtualPreacher> there are a lot of them on the web. i pulled one at random that was short.
[07:08] <@Ross> tis ok, i thought you had it handi
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[07:09] <@VirtualPreacher> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy07yHAgM4E
[07:09] <@Ross> ty
[07:09] <@VirtualPreacher> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IL5u5U39Qo    that one is longer
[07:09] <+barabbas`> ahh, so now we are getting facts from YouTube videos. My six year old grandson can make a  youtube and say anything he wants.
[07:10] <+barabbas`> He must be a gosh darn genius
[07:10] <@VirtualPreacher> have not watched either of these. the thumbnail is same context as others I have seen. swearing in ceremony with families
[07:10] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` yes thats how videos work. they tend to speak for themselves.
[07:10] <@VirtualPreacher> thats why courtrooms love videos.
[07:10] <@VirtualPreacher> "yep thats bob robbin the bank"
[07:10] <@VirtualPreacher> "yep thats joe creepin out on little girls"
[07:10] <+barabbas`> this is more fun than listening to failed football players monday morning quarterbacking yesterdsays game.
[07:11] <@VirtualPreacher> couse they do not have a "creepy dude" statute that would bring it into a courtroom...that I know of
[07:11] <@Ross> joe sure is one touchy feelie guy
[07:11] <+UnderCoverNerd> it would be sexual assualt/battery if it were as creepy as you make it seem
[07:11] <+barabbas`> Confirmation bias runs deep in those who want to see creep. HEY I am poet,
[07:11] <@VirtualPreacher> whereas a reasonable person might say "really? I have never seen this. what are you talking about?" then maybe actually watch and decide for themselves.
[07:12] <@VirtualPreacher> UnderCoverNerd how did I make it seem more creepy than it is? you do not see him doing everything I mentioned? if not you are watching the wrong tape.
[07:12] <+barabbas`> watched, decided for myself, not creepy. now I wonder about the mentality of all those who see it as creepy.
[07:13] <+UnderCoverNerd> i don't consider what i saw "creeping out on little girls" but i suppose we have different definitions of that
[07:13] <+barabbas`> No, we are watching the same video without the filter necessary to see creepy.
[07:13] <@VirtualPreacher> "same video"
[07:13] <@Ross> the first link that VirtualPreacher  posted for me had no dialogue
[07:13] <+UnderCoverNerd> i do like how we go from "watch and decide for yourself" to "if you decide opposite of me then you didn't even watch it!"
[07:14] <@Ross> .
[07:15] <@VirtualPreacher> there is about 45 minutes worth of joe creepster footage floating around the internet. that link was a 2m clip. as I mentioned if someone wants to know, they will check it out. if they dont, they will probably feign indignant outrage and pooh pooh. shrug
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[07:15] <+UnderCoverNerd> how many hours of footage do i need to watch? with the 3 videos you've posted so far there is also tons of overlap
[07:16] <@VirtualPreacher> not sure why it would matter to anyone that I think joe biden is a creepy dude. maybe some folks have a joe biden shrine in their basement or something. who knew.
[07:16] <+UnderCoverNerd> and from it i conclude not creepy. it's cool to paint it that way tho i guess
[07:16] <+UnderCoverNerd> why does it matter that i think he isn't creepy?
[07:16] <+UnderCoverNerd> the entire argument is ridiculous from the start
[07:17] <@VirtualPreacher> well i'd tend to agree. its a ridiculous "Debate". its subjective.
[07:17] <@Ross> well, political humor has gotton better
[07:18] <@VirtualPreacher> I think it is creepy as psychadelic creep farm. someone else might think groping squeezing rubbing stroking and carressing and whispering to strange young female children of other people is perfectly........er.........normal. or whatever.
[07:18] <@Ross> seems creepy to me
[07:19] <@VirtualPreacher> Ross we must have sick minds :P
[07:19] <@Ross> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm   i dont think so
[07:19] <@VirtualPreacher> yeah. I figure its not us. its creepy joe biden. lol
[07:20] <@Ross> you know the interesting thing about being deceived is .... you dont know it, and refuse to admit when its pointed out .... so how does one become undeceived
[07:21] <@VirtualPreacher> I think sometimes being directly exposed to the evidence is initially met with cognitive dissonance, denial........but later can cause internal agitation, that might lead to a gradual realization that it was true after all.
[07:21] <@VirtualPreacher> "say it ain't so, joe!"
[07:22] <+UnderCoverNerd> is there any context where you would find such things not creepy? or are those actions always such>
[07:22] <+UnderCoverNerd> one of the things to keep in mind is a lot of those people aren't strangers
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[07:22] <@VirtualPreacher> some of it is creepier than others.
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[07:22] <+UnderCoverNerd> some probably are for the awards; but a ton of those videos are in the senate
[07:23] <+barabbas`> Thats a good question, Is there any context you would find such things not creepy?
[07:23] <@VirtualPreacher> actually most of them are strangers to joe biden.
[07:23] <+UnderCoverNerd> in the context of nephew\niece and uncle i don't find it creepy and that's basically how i view the situation is him like an uncle
[07:23] <@VirtualPreacher> no i cant think of a context where an old man is groping squeezing rubbing stroking and carressing and w
hispering to strange young female children of other people would not be creepy.
[07:24] <+barabbas`> Its a sad commentary on a society where human contact of anykind is seen as creepy.
[07:24] <@VirtualPreacher> pretty much universal creeptown on that one.
[07:24] <@VirtualPreacher> another straw man lol
[07:24] <@VirtualPreacher> first it was "hugging" now its "human contact of any kind"
[07:24] <+UnderCoverNerd> they aren't really strange people tho? but ok
[07:24] <+calloption> That's such a subjective thing
[07:24] <+UnderCoverNerd> the video includes a lot of hugging tho? and hugging itself is a type of caressing
[07:24] <@VirtualPreacher> UnderCoverNerd but they are. he is introduced to the overwhelming majority of these people for the first time on the spot.
[07:25] <+barabbas`> Then answer the question, is there any context in which you wouldn't see this as creepy?
[07:25] <@VirtualPreacher> hugging isnt the thing. as I pointed out.
[07:25] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` thought I answered that
[07:25] <@VirtualPreacher> [06:24] <VirtualPreacher> no i cant think of a context where an old man is groping squeezing rubbing stroking and carressing and whispering to strange young female children of other people would not be creepy.
[07:25] <+UnderCoverNerd> i dunno you seem to have more knowledge base for the videos but of the ones you posted they largely are in the senate. and even for the awards and such they aren't strange because they are being presented an award by a senator or vp
[07:25] <+UnderCoverNerd> this isn't going up to some random kid in a chipotle line
[07:25] <@Ross> does this mean rape is not creepy .... <barabbas`> Its a sad commentary on a society where human contact of anykind is seen as creepy.
[07:25] <+calloption> groping ?
[07:26] <+calloption> I don't think he groped anyone
[07:26] * +barabbas` wonders if this is creepy as well, https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+hugs+little+boy&tbm=isch&imgil=dvttw-7933UrsM%253A%253BKB6fAkJAhY5x0M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.fox5atlanta.com%25252Fnews%25252Fmost-popular%25252F258052302-story&source=iu&pf=m&fir=dvttw-7933UrsM%253A%252CKB6fAkJAhY5x0M%252C_&usg=__beEqJ_UPO7w1reYYIPTF4r2v4CM%3D&biw=1366&bih=638&ved=0ahUKEwidhJn
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[07:26] <@VirtualPreacher> well if so I apologize if the video I linked to is not the best example. but as I mentioned if someone is curious if these "creepy" claims are out in left field, there is a lot of footage online. one can choose to check, or not. at their leisure. personally I think its creepy as heck. and I am not by any means alone in that.
[07:27] <+calloption> well you're also biased are you not?
[07:27] <+calloption> You're not fan of biden or obama
[07:27] <+barabbas`> There are a ton of pictures of Trump hugging people, many of them little boys...
[07:27] <+calloption> So maybe you're predisposed to find it creepy simply because it's biden.
[07:27] <+calloption> If it were someone else you may not
[07:28] <@VirtualPreacher> calloption not a fan does not = biased. I voted against obamabiden. i voted for trump. I think his father/daughter pictures are creepy as heck also.
[07:28] <@VirtualPreacher> so no I do not think I am biased about this. its not a political issue.
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[07:28] <+calloption> How do you know whether you're biased or not?
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[07:29] <@VirtualPreacher> I just explained why I do not think I have a bias on this question.
[07:29] <@VirtualPreacher> not sure how else to put it. its not a political issue. and in the case of a politician that I have supported, I also have thought certain published images of him with his daughter qualify as "creepy"
[07:29] <+calloption> You're not biased because you voted against them and also voted for trump? I don't follow that reasoning -- if anything that would be evidence that you are biased
[07:29] <@Ross> VirtualPreacher: i got a neighbor lady who watch Dr. Phil. for the last 16 seasons .... ... she thinks she's studied psychology and can treat others
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[07:30] <@VirtualPreacher> calloption no. it would be evidence that my political leanings toward the individuals does not influence by view re: "creepy" behavior, since I see it in both those I have supported and those I have opposed.
[07:30] <+calloption> Would you not agree this is a pretty subjective call, also? I mean there wasn't any kind of assault or anything. We know that for sure.
[07:31] <+calloption> So what is the problem, other than how you perceive it?
[07:31] <@VirtualPreacher> in the case of donald trump, the images were professional photo shoots, with directors, telling them what to do...which could account for the creepiness.
[07:31] <+calloption> I haven't seen the photos of trump you're talking about
[07:31] <@VirtualPreacher> not sure where that comes from. no one here suggested it evidence of any type of crime.
[07:32] <+calloption> But I assume if it's a photo shoot it's all staged and wouldn't hold it against him
[07:32] <+calloption> VirtualPreacher: I think once you dislike someone it's real easy to be critical of what they do. When you like them it's hard. That's called bias
[07:32] <@VirtualPreacher> those also were circulated on the internet, with people saying it was creepy. and in some cases they are kindof. in others they arent.
[07:33] <+barabbas`> There are many candid photos of Trump hugging little boys, hands on his daughter that aren't staged, What about the president of India, now that was a hug...
[07:33] <+calloption> oh, yea i've seen some of those
[07:33] <+calloption> like he's got ivanka on his lap
[07:34] <+barabbas`> What about the way he talked about Ivanka with Howard Stern.
[07:34] <+calloption> See I find that a little creepy, but I'm also biased :P
[07:34] <@VirtualPreacher> also creepy.
[07:35] <+calloption> I don't hold that against Trump though
[07:35] <+barabbas`> So you use photos of Biden, call him creepy and insinuate in the context of the discussion that he isn't qualified to be president because he is creepy, yet support Trump who, in my opinion, really is creepy in more ways than just innocent hugs.
[07:35] <+calloption> I think it's largely irrelevant
[07:35] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` so you find those things creepy about trump and his daughter, but the gag (literally) reel of biden fondling a bunch of little girls is not creepy at all?
[07:35] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` who said he isnt qualified to be president? anyone who is a US citizen, at least 35 years old etc.....
[07:36] <+barabbas`> I find anyone who would create a gag reel like that sick and demented, and anyone who wold call attention to it, just as sick and demented. but that is my opinion.
[07:36] <+calloption> I don't think it's fair to say he was "fondling" them.. that basically implies he molested them, or touched them inappropriately or in a sexual way.
[07:36] <+calloption> He definitely wasn't doing that
[07:36] <+Infradead> Uncle Joe is a saint! :o
[07:36] <@VirtualPreacher> well barabbas` you are entitled to your sick and demented opinion.
[07:36] <@Ross> when did trump have his fake time covers printed
[07:37] <@VirtualPreacher> probably when he went to disneyland where everyone else got theirs.
[07:37] <+barabbas`> yeah but I am not the one calling attention to such videos. I will leave it up to others to decide who is or isn't...
[07:38] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` too bad. joe biden is a public figure. if he thinks he is gonna run in 2020, which would be hilarious....he should prepare himself to be "creepy joe" to at least half the country.
[07:38] <+barabbas`> well, compared to TRump groping his daughter, I don't think Joe will have a problem.
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[07:38] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` and frankly the fact that you want to attack people that think joe biden's behavior toward those little girls is creepy as "sick and demented" reveals a lot more about you than it does about anyone else.
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[07:39] <@VirtualPreacher> you'd think i'd accused him of eating dog meat or something.
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[07:40] <@Ross> the koreans say dog it good eating
[07:41] <@Ross> i wonder if the different breeds taste differently
[07:41] <@VirtualPreacher> poodles are spicier.
[07:41] <@Ross> poodles probably have a snooty flavor
[07:41] <+barabbas`> again I will leave that up to others. I was talking about his qualifications to be president. I didn't introduce him being mentally unstable and insinuate it was over his wifes suicide, Nor did I draw attention to pictures of him and call him creepy as another means to try and discredit one of the most successful senators and the most successful VP's in our history.
[07:42] <+calloption> his wife committed suicide!?
[07:42] <@Ross> we can elect a retard to president so long as they're 35?, a us citizen who was born here who lived in the usa for the past 8? years
[07:43] <+barabbas`> I did say that I believe anyone who uses such tactics to attack someone sees them as vastly superior and have a need to try and drag them down to their level.
[07:43] <+barabbas`> Ross Yes and apparently we just did.
[07:43] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` I never mentioned anything about any subject re: joe biden other than his creepy "joe creeper hands biden" creepy hands. I did not raise any question about his "mental stability". so not sure where you got the straw for that strawmannequin but its pretty flimsy.
[07:44] <+barabbas`> VirtualPreacher its all about the context of the discussion. You introduced that into a discussion about his qualifications, just as Ross insinuated he had some mental problems dealing with his wifes suicide. eventhough it wasn't suicide. Its the twisting of facts to suit your needs and narrative that I am talking about.
[07:44] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` if I was on that "level" i'd rather be put out to pasture. so no, I do not see joe biden as vastly superior, or superior in any way. I see him as an elitist control freak, a sidewinding politician, and an all around creepy character. the first two are political. the third has nothing to do with politics.
[07:45] <@Ross> joe has emotional problems
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[07:45] <+barabbas`> Of course you do, hence the need to continue calling him creepy Joe, the need to bring attention to some sick demented persons youtube videos.
[07:45] <+TheSkeptic> Why is he creepy though?
[07:45] <+barabbas`> but that is just my opinion.
[07:46] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` now you resort to false witness as you are so prone to do.
[07:46] <+barabbas`> and now the false accusations of me. Now I am movingon. God Bless
[07:46] <+TheSkeptic> Well, if you say he's an all around creepy character, doesn't that mean calling him creepy?
[07:46] <@VirtualPreacher> I just said I dont, regarding my own personal inner thoughts, which I know, and you dont, at which time you say "of course you do"....pretending to be a mind reader, but actually showing yourself to be a liar.
[07:47] <@Ross> you forgot to forgive him
[07:47] <+DeckrdR> + ©
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[07:47] <+TheSkeptic> But that still leaves the question.
[07:47] <+TheSkeptic> /Why/ is he creepy?
[07:47] <+barabbas`> all we can go by is what you put into the channel. I am not a mind reader.
[07:47] <@VirtualPreacher> well like i said. you pretend to be a mind reader, but instead reveal yourself as a false witness.
[07:48] <@VirtualPreacher> unless there is a third option when someone presumes to know the heart and mind of another person when they have affirmed in the negative, and you insist you know better than they do.
[07:48] <+calloption> TheSkeptic: I think it's a subjective call
[07:48] <+barabbas`> So, in the context of Joes qualifications the insinuation he is creepy, supported by some sick, demented persons youtube, is all we have to go on as to your mental thoughts.
[07:48] <+calloption> TheSkeptic: anyone can find anyone creepy. It's in the eye of the beholder
[07:49] <+TheSkeptic> calloption: Yeah, I mean...
[07:49] <+barabbas`> I don't know your heart, I can only go by your fruits and how I see them. This is all any of us can do. That is why I will leave it up to others to decide for themselves.
[07:49] <+TheSkeptic> I read something about him having "creeper hands" or something.
[07:49] <+TheSkeptic> I didn't know creepy people had a specific kind of hand.
[07:49] <+TheSkeptic> No clue what that was about.
[07:49] <+barabbas`> they have tiny hands ;)
[07:49] <+TheSkeptic> LOL
[07:49] <+barabbas`> like Trumps.
[07:49] <+DeckrdR> warped perceptions are part of the problem..
[07:49] <@VirtualPreacher> barabbas` no actually if you "left it up to others" you would not be lying about people.
[07:50] <+barabbas`> I am not lying about people, I calls em like I sees em. All I can go by is what I see, not what is in your thoughts.
[07:50] <@VirtualPreacher> well now you are lying about lying.
[07:51] <@VirtualPreacher> [06:44] <VirtualPreacher> barabbas` if I was on that "level" i'd rather be put out to pasture. so no, I do not see joe biden as vastly superior, or superior in any way. I see him as an elitist control freak, a sidewinding politician, and an all around creepy character. the first two are political. the third has nothing to do with politics.[06:45] <barabbas`> Of course you do, hence the need to continue calling him creepy Joe, the need to bring
[07:51] <+barabbas`> and now you are bearing false witness and trying to bait me into saying something you can use to kick, So I will just move on. God Bless
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