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  1. Verl R1
  2.  
  3. Tian vs Izayoi
  4.  
  5. * Tian's aura and shockwaves destroy the battlefield, leaving Izayoi DQ's from being out of bounds
  6.  
  7. * Tian's mountain busting spear would overcome Izaoyi's piercing resistance
  8.  
  9. * The Blood Spear's shockwaves would also one shot Izayoi after hitting his organs
  10.  
  11. * Izayoi is stipped to be "verse equalized" but Monochrome suppresses all abilities in its verse, meaning Monochrome shuts down Gift
  12.  
  13. Ah Gou vs CaoCao
  14.  
  15. * CaoCao completely lacks durability feats, so he'd be one shot by Ah Gou
  16.  
  17. * CaoCao can't counter Monochrome
  18.  
  19. * It is in-character for Ah Gou to use Monochrome
  20.  
  21. * Even if Ah Gou doesn't open up with Monochrome, he will do it immediately after realizing CaoCao attempting to negate his initial attack
  22.  
  23. Huang Long vs Chi Long
  24.  
  25. * Chi Long has no resistance to electric attacks and will fall from AoE lightning spam
  26.  
  27. * Huang Long possesses extremely good resistance to Chi Long's primary esoteric: fire
  28.  
  29. ***
  30.  
  31. Ken R1
  32.  
  33. Tian vs Izayoi
  34.  
  35. * Izayoi's striking strength is massively above Tian's durability
  36.  
  37. * Izayoi's Gift destroys other Gifts, which Monochrome would count as and Tian is reliant on Monochrome to be able to put up a fight against Izayoi
  38.  
  39. * Izayoi's Gift works passively and can work from a distance too, so as soon as Tian activates Monochrome, Izayoi can deactivate it
  40.  
  41. * Monochrome by itself wouldn't destroy the battlefield
  42.  
  43. * Izayoi can walk on water
  44.  
  45. * No explanation was given towards the speed of Blood Spear or its shockwaves
  46.  
  47. * Shockwaves aren't piercing and Izayoi has good blunt durability and Izayoi has taken attacks that target his internal organs before
  48.  
  49. * While Gift is passive, Monochrome must be manually activated
  50.  
  51. * A Gift can't be taken away without the holder's permission
  52.  
  53. Ah Gou vs CaoCao
  54.  
  55. * CaoCao is more skilled than any opponent Ah Gou has ever fought
  56.  
  57. * CaoCao opens up with teleporting behind the enemy and stabbing them, which Ah Gou would immediately die from due to lack of piercing resist
  58.  
  59. * CaoCao's skill prevents him from being hit by any of Ah Gou's physical attacks
  60.  
  61. * Soul Gear and Blood Spear won't matter as CaoCao can destroy weapons and redirect ranged attacks
  62.  
  63. * Ah Gou doesn't always open up with Monochrome
  64.  
  65. * CaoCao is durable enough to take a punch from Issei, carving a trench through the earth
  66.  
  67. Huang Long vs Chi Long
  68.  
  69. * Huang Long wouldn't be able to survive strikes from Chi Long
  70.  
  71. * Chi Long actually does have electricity resistance as he's taken hits from a blade infused with natural lightning
  72.  
  73. * Huang Long's lightning is only provably hotter than regular lightning, but no evidence shows it possesses more amps
  74.  
  75. * Chi Long is made of crystal which can't be shocked
  76.  
  77. ***
  78.  
  79. Verl R2
  80.  
  81. Rebuttals
  82.  
  83. Tian vs Izayoi
  84.  
  85. * Izayoi's literary feats have no visual reference to scale how powerful they are whereas Ah Gou has visibly powerful feats
  86.  
  87. * The GG Bridge wouldn't be able to withstand a half mountain busting attack and Tian's aura has an incredibly large radius and powerful damage output
  88.  
  89. * Similar to his strength feats, Izayoi's durability feats also can't be quantified
  90.  
  91. * Izayoi still lets abilities occur despite being able to remove them
  92.  
  93. * Suppressing Izayoi's Gift isn't the same as removing it
  94.  
  95. * Blood Spear doesn't need to be thrown to be lethal
  96.  
  97. Ah Gou vs CaoCao
  98.  
  99. * Ah Gou's Mutated Form can defend him from CaoCao's teleport attack
  100.  
  101. * The tier's set speed means CaoCao must readjust within his 10 ms reaction speed, giving Ah Gou time to counterattack
  102.  
  103. * Many of the given examples of Ah Gou not using Monochrome were against people he didn't want to be killed and it's more of a 50/50 chance whether he uses it or not
  104.  
  105. Huang Long vs Chi Long
  106.  
  107. * Part of Chi Long's body actually gets chipped by Zhui Ri
  108.  
  109. * Huang Long's lightning is superior to regular lightning
  110.  
  111. * A blast of thunder can destroy crystal
  112.  
  113. * Huang Long has conducted his lightning through crystal before
  114.  
  115. Reasserting Win Conditions
  116.  
  117. Tian vs Izayoi
  118.  
  119. * Izayoi lacks the quantifiable feats to survive the Blood Spear
  120.  
  121. * Tian possesses the reach advantage and would be able to land a hit first
  122.  
  123. * Tian is skilled enough to hit people without looking
  124.  
  125. * Izayoi is vulnerable when falling from the destroyed battlefield and the effectiveness of water walking is questionable
  126.  
  127. * Monochrome can still suppress Izayoi's gift despite it's immunity to being removed
  128.  
  129. Ah Gou vs CaoCao
  130.  
  131. * Ah Gou would defend against CaoCao's teleport with Mutated Form and then activate Monochrome
  132.  
  133. * CaoCao's given durability feat is unquantifiable
  134.  
  135. Huang Long vs Chi Long
  136.  
  137. * Chi Long's electricity resist isn't good enough
  138.  
  139. * Huang Long shocks Chi Long's blood away
  140.  
  141. * Huang Long is familiar with Chi Long so he would avoid melee and instead would spam lightning
  142.  
  143. ***
  144.  
  145. Ken R2
  146.  
  147. Rebuttals
  148.  
  149. Tian vs Izayoi
  150.  
  151. * Izayoi's mountain busting is in tier scaling from Asuka's mountain riding
  152.  
  153. * Verlux misinterpreted Ken's argument as he was stating Monochrome specifically wouldn't be able to take down the bridge
  154.  
  155. * Tian's aura only cracks something vaguely stronger than iron from far away but the GG Bridge is made up of the vastly superior steel
  156.  
  157. * With Izayoi's strength being reaffirmed, so has his durability
  158.  
  159. * Izayoi let's abilities happen because he's immune to them
  160.  
  161. * Terminate=Nullify
  162.  
  163. * When Tian activates Monochrome, it would just become destroyed or it wouldn't work
  164.  
  165. * Even with Monochrome, Izayoi is much stronger than Tian
  166.  
  167. * The shockwaves on Blood Spear are just lightning hitting it
  168.  
  169. * No counterargument has been provided for proof of Tian abusing the environment or how fast it was
  170.  
  171. * Tian's opening move is to usually summon lightning or throw it, so Izayoi dodges
  172.  
  173. * Tian isn't skilled
  174.  
  175. Ah Gou vs CaoCao
  176.  
  177. * Ah Gou wouldn't try to kill CaoCao so he wouldn't use Monochrome
  178.  
  179. * CaoCao has won a 1v2 against faster opponents than Ah Gou so fighting him and his Mutated Form at once wouldn't be an issue
  180.  
  181. * Ah Gou using the Mutated Form against an opponent still led to him being stabbed
  182.  
  183. * CaoCao is faster than the Mutated Form
  184.  
  185. * The Mutated Form's reaction aren't good enough to counter CaoCao's sudden attack
  186.  
  187. * CaoCao's spear is strong and if the Mutated Form tried to catch it, it would only be stabbed along with Ah Gou
  188.  
  189. * Ah Gou's in-character behavior isn't backed with scans
  190.  
  191. Huang Long vs Chi Long
  192.  
  193. * Chi Long being chipped by Zhui Ri was done when he was weaker
  194.  
  195. * Huang Long's lightning is only greater in heat and Chi Long has good heat resist
  196.  
  197. * Chi Long is more durable than crystal
  198.  
  199. * Huang Long prefers close range fights
  200.  
  201. Reasserting Win Conditions
  202.  
  203. Tian vs Izayoi
  204.  
  205. * Izayoi is physically superior
  206.  
  207. * Izayoi is immune to Monochrome and it doesn't matter anyways if it affects him
  208.  
  209. Ah Gou vs CaoCao
  210.  
  211. * CaoCao kills Ah Gou before he can react
  212.  
  213. * CaoCao is too skilled to be hit
  214.  
  215. * CaoCao destroys weapons and reflects ranged attacks
  216.  
  217. Huang Long vs Chi Long
  218.  
  219. * Chi Long is much stronger and durable than Huang Long
  220.  
  221. ***
  222.  
  223. Judgements
  224.  
  225. Tian vs Izayoi
  226.  
  227. Tian wins. The effectiveness of his spear's piercing and his reach advantage were never countered by Ken, so in a setting between two speed equalized fighters, except one has a range advantage, it's most likely that the one with further reach hits first. Unfortunately for Izayoi, one hit is all it takes as his feats are very vague and unquantifiable, with the supporting evidence in favor for them not being great.
  228. Ken's evidence for Izayoi's mountain busting is incredibly suspect. Not only does he post his only given evidence for how good his feats are in the last response where his opponent has no way to counter, it's heavily reliant on scaling to a mountain that Asuka rides up on. But the problem is, he doesn't prove that this specific mountain is the same mountain as the ones Izayoi busts. In fact, no mountains are actually being busted in Izayoi's feats as seen in the language used in the text such as this: "Izayoi who was fast enough to leave after-images swung his fist that could shatter mountains." This means that his feats can't be scaled to Asuka's mountain as they aren't directly referring to that mountain but just mountains in general, and we all know how much those can vary in size.
  229. There's also the matter of Izayoi being unable to deal with the Blood Spear. Although Ken argues that Tian it's not in-character for Tian to strike first with the spear, his anti-feat section for Tian's skill disproves this as he shows multiple scans of Tian blazing into melee range. Also Ken seems to have used the wrong scan to disprove Blood Spear's shockwaves, as Verlux used this [scan](https://i.imgur.com/FAsynMg.jpg) to argue it's AOE, not the lightning crackling scan. As, Ken doesn't try to refute the power behind the spear's piercing and doesn't provide piercing resistance good enough for Izayoi to tank it, I believe Tian wins.
  230.  
  231. Ah Gou vs CaoCao
  232.  
  233. CaoCao wins. While I'm not convinced by any of the arguments for CaoCao's superior skill, as all the given evidence for it just seems to be abusing a speed advantage, I do believe that his initial teleportation into stab is good enough for him to take the win.
  234. The main argument in Ah Gou surviving this attack is through his Mutated Form, but the arguments used for it were very iffy. The Mutated Form is argued to move as fast as Ah Gou, thereby being equalized to the tourney's combat speed, but then argued to be able to react separately from him, therefore it's not restricted by the speed equalization. Either it is, or it isn't. He can't just conveniently possess equal speed but also not possess equal speed but better speed against CaoCao. The idea that it can react separately from Ah Gou is also iffy as all the given scans show it coming from the front of Ah Gou where he can see the attack coming, so it's not like it's defending Ah Gou from a surprise attack like CaoCao is delivering.
  235. The argument that CaoCao needs to readjust to the newly appeared threat seems odd as he's already aware of where his opponent is and where he's going to be when he teleports to him. I don't see why he would need to wait to fully acknowledge his presence, when he can just teleport and immediately go for a stab.
  236. I'm also unconvinced by Verlux's arguments for Ah Gou opening up with Monochrome as he fails to provide any scans whatsoever in his refutation of Ken's Monochrome claims.
  237. Although I believe CaoCao wins, a lot of the given arguments for him weren't convincing. The power behind CaoCao's piercing is text showing that it can stab Issei's armor and then trying to scale that to a blunt force durability feat for the armor rather than a piercing resistance feat. But as Verlux doesn't argue piercing resistance for Ah Gou, CaoCao still one shots. Another argument for CaoCao that was weak was his durability as the feat given was way too vague and it seemed odd that Ken wanted to defend that point as CaoCao is being seemingly argued as a glass cannon anyways.
  238.  
  239. Huang Long vs Chi Long
  240.  
  241. Huang Long wins. Ken's defense that Chi Long can take natural lightning and the fact that he's made of crystal, making him immune to being shocked, is dismantled by Verlux's evidence that Huang Long's lightning is better than normal lightning and how it's able to shock through and damage crystal.
  242. There's also the fact that Chi Long didn't tank the lightning and was visibly damaged by and although Ken tries to argue that he was in a weaker state when this happened, this still isn't a strong enough refutation as we can't just assume he'd be able to fully tank it in a stronger form without evidence.
  243. The evidence given for Chi Long's heat resistance is also weak as it's just him being on fire with no given heat for how hot fire is and the fact that Ken has conceded that Huang Long's lightning is hotter than regular lightning makes me believe that Chi Long wouldn't be able to withstand the heat component of the lightning too.
  244.  
  245. ***
  246.  
  247. Verlux wins 2-1
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