You're kidding, right?

Patches: Okay, so I know you don't have the best opinion of me, and that is what it is. But I kind of felt your remark was a bit rude. Can I politely request the peanut gallery comments not continue?
Anthony: Well, if you did not automatically assume the worst out of everything I say, and if I had not accidentally sent my reply to Kanis via whisper, you'd know I was referring to the idea that it could get hotter with multiple people fucking in the
Anthony: open, and that it was not a slight on either of you. And no, I am not going to stop talking or replying to other people - because I was replying to Sigma, not either of you - while you are in here. Just instant ignore me, or maybe stop
Anthony: assuming the worst. Your call.
Patches: I don't have any intent of ignoring anyone. If I'm not interested in what's happening, I can leave. I'm not assuming, I'm telling you how something read to me. Thank you for clarifying your intent.
Anthony: I shouldn't have to clarify anything. I've never attacked you or insulted you. In this relationship you are always the one to push me away and read things into my actions that make you do it.
Patches: Right now, all I did was make a civil request. It's likely I misread the context of your comment, and I apologize for that.
Anthony: Your request was for me to never talk while you are in the tub, in case you misread the context of my comments. Just like you politely requested I never interact with you, because waving to you was crossing the line.
Patches: My request today was not to have my textfucking commented on, nothing more than that. I have no problem talking to you, and have been acknowledging actions made in my direction every time.
Anthony: My reply was to someone else. So I can't talk to other people without you commenting on it. Therefore my options are limited to not talking while you are in here and having sex. And the waving thing was from the first time you assumed the
Anthony: worst regarding my actions, remember? That was where I was just waving when you came in and leaving you alone, so you contacted me like this to ask I never wave to you or interact with you, because that was crossing some line.
Patches: I don't see the two as being anything close to the same thing. I was wrong not to engage politely in the main room, and I conceded to that back when we started talking again.
Anthony: And yet here we are again, with you telling me to not talk to other people in ways you could misinterpret. So to carry on with this request I have two options; make sure to clarify every statement I make to you in whisper, or say nothing.
Anthony: OR you could stop reading what I say as an attack.#
Patches: I wasn't the only one who saw it that way. Both Kanis and Sigma PM'd me to say they thought the remark was out of line.
Anthony: Huh...I thought you told me that people DIDN'T report things back to you like that last time we spoke. Plus, had I not accidentally whispered to Kanis instead of posting out loud, that would have clarified it pretty quickly. Oh, and if
Anthony: Sigma was so upset, how come he didn't call me on it openly or privately? My guess, because people in here love this fucking drama and love to assume the worst so they can all have a nice drama pile.
Patches: What you said in PMs wasn't reported, it was them talking to me and mentioning that the main room comment seemed shady to them.
Patches: I didn't message you looking for confrontation, I'm sorry that you feel attacked.
Anthony: Again, because of this shared love of drama. And before you deny that, I told Kanis that it was not meant as a slight. I think I even mentioned it was a mistake to whisper. But he didn't tell you that? Why not? That would have cleared it
Anthony: all up in a second. But he chose to not tell you. Same as Sigma chose not to ask and then relay that to you too. Because, drama.
Patches: He told me he PM'd you, but what you say to him isn't my business anyway.
Anthony: Except in this case what I said to him would have stopped you feeling like I was attacking you. And if Sigma told you he thought it was an attack, and you knew it wasn't, then you could have told him.
Patches: So you get irritable when you feel your PMs got shared, but then Kanis didn't share it, and you're annoyed about that too? I don't get this.
Anthony: No. Point to the part where I got annoyed for my PM's getting shared. I got annoyed because you told me that you don't have people coming to you reporting on my behaviour. Like when you leave the tub and I continue a session with someone,
Anthony: and that somehow gets blown into me betraying you. Kanis was given information to stop this becoming drama. He didn't tell you this, for what I can only assume is drama-promoting reasons. Or, he did tell you and you ignored it.
Patches: I don't claim to know why anyone does anything around here. And I don't see this as drama. I stated my perception of something and requested that my RP not be commented on. I had NO intent of it being dramatic.
Anthony: You know how I dealt with your snide comments about 'most people here being nice'? Same way I dealt with you pointedly talking about how some people don't betray you, or how you only get art of people who are your real friends. By not
Anthony: sending you PM's telling you to stop making that kind of comment. You use the ignore function a lot, to the degree that our last fight was how you pretty much forced another person out of the tub by getting multiple people to auto-ignore
Patches: What did that comment have to do with you? Patches got RP-raped by some ice wolf chick, that wasn't anything to do with you. .o.o
Anthony: them. The only reason you could have to contact me was because you either wanted a groveling apology, or to turn this into a fight - drama. And on top of that, who were the people that went along with the auto-ignore plan? Sigma and Kanis.
Anthony: Oh, then I'm sorry. Your history of loudly and pointedly directing comments about your 'real friends' and people that don't 'betray you' made me think that was directed at me. However, I still dealt with it by not calling you on it and
Anthony: letting it pass.
Patches: I'm not defending past actions. I'm not saying anything I did was okay. I can only apologize and try to fix my behaviour, and by how often it keeps getting thrown back at me, even a year later in some cases, it doesn't make a difference.
Patches: My intent in messaging you was to try and re-establish a dialogue, not to piss you off. Clearly I did a piss poor job of it.
Anthony: ...really? Your intent to re-establish a dialog with me was to tell me not to speak when you were with someone? That was your best means of opening this up? Not last time everyone was just lazing about when you could have poked me with a
Anthony: 'hi', or 'are you going to talk to me?'
Patches: I never asked you not to speak while I was in the room with someone. The request was not to make commentary on the quality of my RP. I apologize if that wasn't clear.
Anthony: This is the problem; you keep doing the same things. That's why I keep bringing them up. You keep going though this cycle, and then get surprised when it results in the same mess!
Anthony: It wasn't clear at all. Especially given that I had already directly told Kanis that there was no malice involved, and he did not tell you that to keep you believing there was.
Patches: Which I did not see!
Patches: How the Hell can I react to something I didn't know was clarified?
Anthony: And he DID NOT TELL YOU! Why not? For the dramas.
Patches: I don't even know. I really just wanted to ask for you not to remark on my public RP. I had no intent of things getting blown this far out of proportion. I'm tired of this kind of stuff, so I was doing my level best to be polite and now snark. And it led-
Patches: - to the same shit anyway.
Patches: not* snark
Anthony: Yes. You got pissed off at me, and tried to re-open our dialog by making it out that I had attacked you when I hadn't. This has led to the same result as last time this happened. That's the problem.
Patches: And I now know you didn't mean to say anything snide, but at the time, it read as though you were saying I wasn't attractive. And that kind of stung. I'm sorry I misunderstood.
Patches: If I'm being honest, your vitriol on this surprised the fuck out of me. I'm not angry at you, I'm not holding any grudge, it surprised the Hell out of me that you jumped on the defensive.
Anthony: Dolly...I have never said anything like that, and I am not the kind of whiny internet child that would make a comment like that. You should know that by now, in the same way you should know that someone RPing with me is not me kicking you in
Anthony: kidneys and throwing you under a bus. But every time it happens, we end up back here. And yeah, I am pretty defensive on this, because it combined two major issues in one. The first being your attempt to re-connect by making demands of me,
Anthony: specifically a kind of demand I had to put up with at Jagex when they were trying to literally drive me insane. And secondly, with this whole Kanis and Sigma thing it shows you still have this hovering cloud of people willing to promote
Patches: I know this is semantic, but a request is not the same as a demand.
Anthony: drama that drives a wedge between us. Specifically it also shows that I can't be in here and RP with people without either of them reporting it back, as they did before, and causing this whole spiral again.
Anthony: A request that I cannot refuse without it being seen as an insult is not a request.
Patches: You could have refused it, and I'd just shift to private to RP. Eliminate the issue by changing my venue.
Anthony: And you'd not call me a terrible person, as usually happens?
Patches: Also, who you RP with doesn't matter to me. The way I see it, I've fucked myself out of the option pool with my asshattery. I have no real reason to care who you hook up with.
Patches: Nope, because you have a right to say what you want, just like I have a right not to listen.
Anthony: You told me who I RP'ed with didn't matter, and then made it into a huge issue. An issue so huge, in fact, that you made people I RPed with so unwelcome that they left.
Patches: And I'm not defending that. My intent was not to engage, not to drive anyone away. And I recognize that it wasn't fair of me.
Patches: Honestly, I don't see us RPing going forward, based on your opinion of me being so shit. So I don't really have anything to lose out on. And in result, no reason to get pissy about who you choose to bang.
Anthony: That's a start, but the problem still comes to Kanis and Sigma following your lead. And I recall telling you specifically that I was not giving up on you. Yeah, I am not happy wiith you, but that's because you keep repeating the same
Patches: Hell, it's not like I'm even around that much at this point. This is the first weekday I've been on this long in a month.
Anthony: behaviour that makes being with or near you shitty.
Patches: This isn't a bitchy query, but a serious one. Why would I want to invest my time in someone who doesn't want to be around me?
Anthony: Because the only reason I don't want to be around you is because you keep on treating me like trash if I so much as say hi to people you don't like? Or because people report to you that I was cheating on you, when apparently you don't care
Patches: We're not likely to have much cross-over at this point due to my schedule. I barely get online at this point. I honestly don't see much reason to spend what little time I have looking for drama. I come here to visit and RP, I don't have time to stir -
Patches: the pot, and I don't have intent to make anyone miserable anyway.
Anthony: about that? Or because you've had a bad day and want attention from me, but push me away in the hopes that I keep pushing back, and when I don't, that makes me a shitty person?
Patches: I don't think you understand the question. What incentive would I have to spend time with someone who doesn't want to do the same?
Patches: I have friends and RP partners who are happy to see me. Who have a positive opinion and association with me. People who seek me out to spend time. I don't feel like I have a reason to push for your attention, given that you don't appear to want mine.
Anthony: I don't think you understand the answer. I do want to spend time with you, but every time I do you find something to treat me like garbage over.
Patches: I'm not pissed off or moody about this. I'm more resigned than anything.
Patches: Dude, I barely have the time to devote to RP scenes anymore. Why would I waste it on stupid shit?
Anthony: Because on some level you like this stupid shit. You promised me that my playing with outher people wasn't an issue, and I quite happily sat back and let you play with others. Then when I did it, I'm the worst person in the world.
Anthony: And they have to be shunned by everyone for playing with your toy.
Patches: I have too little time around here to bother with that shit. I get a couple of hours a couple of times a week, maybe, and would far rather invest it in fucking someone who wants to fuck me than whining.
Anthony: Well that's odd. Because I have pretty much told you repeatedly, and again not a few posts ago, that I am interested in you. But I am not interested in the peripheral shit like you shunning anyone who sits on me when I am afk. And you are
Anthony: still ignoring that. Because we're back at the same loop again. If I say I am not interested, then I'm evil and betraying you. If I tell you I am interested, then you try and turn it around to make me say I'm not.
Patches: In addition, my schedule and yours don't match up like they once did. I don't have the time to dwell and sulk anyway. Who you fuck doesn't impact me, because I'm hardly likely to be among the list based on time allocations.
Patches: It's a timing thing as much as anything. If I'm not around when you are, nothing will happen. It's not inferring a lack of interest from your end. Context is key here.
Anthony: Then the grown up thing to do would be to draw this conversation to a close, and keep things civil in chat when we are on. But I have a feeling suggesting that is going to result in you talking about how this proves I never wanted you anyway
Patches: I'm assuming you understand how conflicting it sounds that you say you do want to spend time with me, but that you're not inclined to?
Patches: I'm not inferring in the least a lack of interest on your end. Don't misunderstand that. You've said it's there, so I accept that. Civility isn't something I'm opposed to in the least.
Anthony: I'm assuming you know how it sounds when I tell you the reason I don't want to is because you keep going back to treating me like crap, and your response to that is to turn it back around to make me sound shitty for saying that?
Patches: I'm just confused on the phrasing element.
Patches: But that's not the point.
Anthony: No. That is the point. When we are together you pick something, anything, to create drama between us. It could be anything from someone telling you I RPed while you were not on, to my being busy and unable to chat with you.
Patches: I don't know how much time we'll even have on at the same time, but all I really wanted out of the discussion was to establish civility if and when we are. I'm not avoiding you, I'm not pissed off, I'm not making pissy remarks about you. Please don't -
Patches: assume that every comment I make has to do with you, and I'll do the same.
Patches: What you do is your choice. I'll shut down anyone who chooses to gossip about shit, because it's petty and unimportant.
Patches: I'm here to RP with my friends and have a good time. End statement.
Anthony: Great, and that should have been how this was handled from the start. Hell, if that was how this had been handled from our first proper chat, we'd not be here. Because i was, and am, still interested in you, but not being treated badly.
Anthony: Also end statement.
Patches: I'm interested in you, but I'm really not fond of past mistakes being used as fodder to slap me down. I'm going to keep my opinions to myself and ask others around me to do the same. In exchange, are you willing to try and let go of old drama, please?
Anthony: Always. The only reason I ever needed to bring that stuff up was to try and confront you with the fact you were repeating old mistakes that were pushing me away from you, and doing so would have the same result.
Patches: I disagree with that statement on a couple of levels, but I'll leave it at that.