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  1. Embrace R1
  2.  
  3. Well, doesn't this look oddly familiar?
  4.  
  5. Embrace's Team
  6.  
  7. * Naruto has impressive durability, speed, and good offense through his clones and Rasengan
  8.  
  9. * Hank too possesses great strength, durability and speed
  10.  
  11. * Zombieman has good piercing and speed, but his regeneration is where he really shines
  12.  
  13. Artemis
  14.  
  15. * Lacks good movement speed
  16.  
  17. * Won't be able to use his stealth as he'll be immediately interrupted by Embrace's team
  18.  
  19. * No good durability feats
  20.  
  21. * Hank is his closest opponent, who would break through Artemis' sword with his own since he can cut through machine guns, and speedblitz with his superior strength and piercing
  22.  
  23. Szeth
  24.  
  25. * Lacks good movement speed
  26.  
  27. * His combat speed is bad with his best feat being unquantifiable as it lacks a given distance and arrow speed
  28.  
  29. * No good durability feats
  30.  
  31. * His closest opponent is Naruto, who would overwhelm him with his superior speed and numbers through clones
  32.  
  33. Shin
  34.  
  35. * Lacks good movement speed
  36.  
  37. * His speed is too vague as all his speed feats are reliant on aim dodging
  38.  
  39. * His closest opponent is Zombieman who would blitz him and use his ranged pickups to solo the rest of his team
  40.  
  41. ***
  42.  
  43. Abe R1
  44.  
  45. * Entreri's stealth can't be countered by anyone on Embrace's team
  46.  
  47. * No one on Embrace's team has piercing resistance
  48.  
  49. * Zombieman would be killed by Entreri's life force stealing dagger
  50.  
  51. ***
  52.  
  53. Embrace R2
  54.  
  55. * The arena is not suited for stealth
  56.  
  57. * Putting the given stealth feats under scrutiny makes them bad
  58.  
  59. * Artemis needs to be able to strike faster than the opponents can react for his stealth to be good, but he lacks good speed whereas his opponents possess great reactions
  60.  
  61. * Hank can keep fighting even when pierced
  62.  
  63. * Naruto can take piercing attacks that go through trees
  64.  
  65. * Zombieman lacks life force to take and Artemis leaves himself vulnerable to Naruto and Hank if he engages with Zombieman
  66.  
  67. * Zombieman just shoots Artemis
  68.  
  69. * Naruto stomps Szeth and goes help his teammates
  70.  
  71. * Zombieman stomps Shins, grabs his guns, and kills the rest of his opponents who can't react to gunfire and can't aimdodge the shots either due to Zombieman's impeccable aim
  72.  
  73. * Artemis is forced into a fight with Hank and gets stomped and if he manages to survive the 1v1, Naruto and Zombieman would finish him off
  74.  
  75. ***
  76.  
  77. Abe R2
  78.  
  79. * Reaction speed doesn't matter if Artemis sneaks up on them and stabs them
  80.  
  81. * The superhuman sight feat is more than enough to justify Artemis' stealth and the 20 men feat doesn't say anything about them being asleep
  82.  
  83. * Hank would be killed quickly from having his life force drained
  84.  
  85. * Naruto doesn't have good piercing resistance and the argued durability feat can be easily argued as blunt damage rather than piercing
  86.  
  87. * Zombieman not having life force is unsubstantiated
  88.  
  89. ***
  90.  
  91. Embrace R3
  92.  
  93. * Artemis won't be able to pull off his stealth in the first place
  94.  
  95. * The superhuman sight feat isn't good enough
  96.  
  97. * The 20 men feat was set at night in the barracks with sailors, so they were most likely asleep or drunk
  98.  
  99. * Hank would stab Artemis first
  100.  
  101. * no u
  102.  
  103. * no u
  104.  
  105. ***
  106.  
  107. Abe R3
  108.  
  109. * Zombieman attacks Artemis first
  110.  
  111. * Naruto's speed feats are unquantifiable and inapplicable to combat speed
  112.  
  113. * Naruto's Shadow Clone Justu splits his powers among the clones
  114.  
  115. * Zombieman's speed feat is vague as there's no reference to how far the monsters moved before he shot them
  116.  
  117. * If Zombieman shot all the bullets simultaneously, that would give him OOT reaction speed
  118.  
  119. * Zombieman's fight against the monsters took longer than argued since he broke a bone
  120.  
  121. * Artemis can perform multiple actions in the blink of an eye, which is probably faster
  122.  
  123. ***
  124.  
  125. Judgements
  126.  
  127. Embrace wins. Abe practically concedes that Szeth and Shin are irrelevant and loses as he provides no counterarguments for them. Instead he places all bets on Artemis being able to abuse his stealth and one shot the enemy team with his life force stealing dagger. Embrace's counterarguments to her team being able to withstand this dagger is incredibly and weak, leading me to be convinced that Artemis could be able to one shot them as while not all of the stealth feats given were good, the superhuman eyesight one was, and Embrace doesn't offer a strong counterargument to that specific feat.
  128. However, Abe doesn't give out any movement speed for Artemis. On the other hand, Artemis' closest opponent Hank was argued to have movement speed of 20+ m/s and also argued to have immediately engage in close quarters against Artemis, leaving stealth out of the question. These arguments went uncontested by Abe, which is curious as his whole argument hinges on Artemis being able to successfully sneak around but doesn't respond to the immediate counter to Artemis' stealth, which was Hank going in for an immediate bumrush.
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