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  1. Amera R1
  2.  
  3. Roy vs Zero
  4.  
  5. * Amera concedes
  6.  
  7. Bradley vs Meta
  8.  
  9. * Meta is speed equalized, Bradley is very fast
  10.  
  11. * Bradley has good piercing and regen
  12.  
  13. Maki vs Jack
  14.  
  15. * Maki has fast reflexes
  16.  
  17. * Maki blitzes her father who scales to herself before an amp (evidence for scaling not given)
  18.  
  19. * Maki has strong piercing and Jack has weak piercing resist
  20.  
  21. * Toji scaling
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  23. Overall, a weak first response. I don't think Roy vs Zero is an instant loss matchup so the drop was really unnecessary. If you're going to concede a matchup right away, you should make sure the other 2 are guaranteed wins then or else you just screwed yourself over. Unfortunately, the other two matchups were practically just reposts of the character's respect threads without establishing their win conditions or behavior other than "blitz." Amera claims he doesn't need an intro or a statposts, but considering how the whole response is just a statpost, an intro statpost would've been preferable to make room for an actual argument. Amera doesn't acknowledge the opposing picks really other than Jack's piercing resistance and just argues his characters in a vacuum
  24.  
  25. ***
  26.  
  27. Elick R1
  28.  
  29. Roy vs Zero
  30.  
  31. * Zero mogs
  32.  
  33. Bradley vs Meta
  34.  
  35. * Bradley isn't durable enough to survive a hit from Meta and his regen doesn't make up for it
  36.  
  37. * Meta's time stop guarantees one free hit, which is all he needs
  38.  
  39. * Meta is capable of keeping up with faster opponents
  40.  
  41. Maki vs Jack
  42.  
  43. * Maki's speed feats are vague or bad
  44.  
  45. * Jack's speed feats are clearly better.
  46.  
  47. * Jack has strong piercing and Maki has weak piercing resist
  48.  
  49. A strong opener from Elick. He succinctly lays out his character's stats in his intro and the continues to argue their ways of winning in the actual response while pointing out how the opposing picks aren't as good. He lays out different ways his character can win and the possible scenarios (Bradley can't regen -> Meta wins, Bradley can regen -> takes too long, Meta wins through incap). However the Maki vs Jack portion wasn't as strong as the previous one in comparison and is mostly a stat comparison.
  50.  
  51. ***
  52.  
  53. Amera R2
  54.  
  55. Bradley vs Meta
  56.  
  57. * Bradley's speed goes uncontested
  58.  
  59. * Meta can't endure being cut to pieces
  60.  
  61. Maki vs Jack
  62.  
  63. * Provides context to Maki being faster than her dad who was faster than her from before
  64.  
  65. * Maki is faster than Jack and is strong enough to one shot him
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  67. A very short response, which isn't necessarily a bad, but considering a matchup was conceded, you should probably go more in-depth of the remaining matchups to make up for it. The lack of formatting makes this hard to read even though it's relatively sparse content wise as it's just reiterating past claims.
  68.  
  69. ***
  70.  
  71. Elick R2
  72.  
  73. Bradley vs Meta
  74.  
  75. * Meta is good at fighting through being stabbed and slashed
  76.  
  77. * Meta will be actively fighting back and avoiding attacks, he won't be standing there taking Bradley's slashes
  78.  
  79. * Bradley's durability goes unargued
  80.  
  81. * Time stop goes uncontested
  82.  
  83. Maki vs Jack
  84.  
  85. * Jack is physically very durable and has great piercing resist
  86.  
  87. * Maki's piercing resist goes unargued
  88.  
  89. * Jack's speed feats are better than Maki's
  90.  
  91. A solid rebuttal from Elick. He brings up the point that Meta obviously won't just stand there, taking hits and would actively fight back, while also showing that he's actually good at handling piercing attacks. Elick brings up two scenarios: they fight and Bradley gets one shot, or Meta time stops and one shots. The second part of rebuttals is strong as well as Elick provides direct comparison of Maki's damage output to Jack's durability whereas Maki lacks any resistance to his offense.
  92.  
  93. ***
  94.  
  95. Amera R3
  96.  
  97. Bradley vs Meta
  98.  
  99. * Meta can't endure dismemberment
  100.  
  101. * Speed diff
  102.  
  103. Maki vs Jack
  104.  
  105. * More circular Maki scaling
  106.  
  107. * Jack's durability feats are blunt not piercing
  108.  
  109. * Toji scaling
  110.  
  111. Again, another short response. It reiterates prior points and has some counters against Elick's points.
  112.  
  113. ***
  114.  
  115. Elick R3
  116.  
  117. Bradley vs Meta
  118.  
  119. * Bradley's speed feats aren't as good as presented
  120.  
  121. * Meta one punches
  122.  
  123. * Time stop lol
  124.  
  125. Maki vs Jack
  126.  
  127. * Circular scaling is fake, and no amp was proven
  128.  
  129. * Jack's durability feat is clearly piercing
  130.  
  131. * Toji scaling isn't really explained and confusing
  132.  
  133. * Jack's sword counters Maki's lol
  134.  
  135. I don't necessarily buy every point raised against Bradley's speed or even Maki's (from the previous response), but it's still a solid response. Elick brings up that the burden is on Amera to prove why the circular scaling matters as he didn't provide any evidence of Maki getting amped faster. He also brings up that Amera needs to explain why all the Jujutsu Kaisen mumbo jumbo is relevant otherwise it just seems meaningless.
  136.  
  137. ***
  138.  
  139. Judgements
  140.  
  141. Roy vs Zero
  142.  
  143. Zero wins by forfeit. This wasn't an unwinnable matchup and I think Amera should've seen it through.
  144.  
  145. Bradley vs Meta
  146.  
  147. Meta wins. I think Elick makes a compelling argument that regardless of how the match plays out, it all ends with Meta winning. Meta's time stop is something that goes uncontested other than "Bradley blitzes it before it happens," but that requires Bradley to have the movement speed fast enough to close the gap before Meta activates it. Elick makes a strong case that Meta isn't going to be helplessly sitting there while Bradley advances and attacks, and that he has the endurance to fight through piercing. While, I agree that Bradley's slashing is really good and that Elick's arguments against Bradley's speed wasn't convincing (c'mon son he's clearly moving at a comparable speed to the bullets and reacting smh), I don't think he can secure a winning blow before Meta can. As Elick simply puts it multiple times, either they fight and Meta one shots, or Meta time stops and then one shots.
  148.  
  149. Maki vs Jack
  150.  
  151. Jack wins. Amera never counters Elick's claims on Maki's piercing resistance and also fails to provide context to why her scaling feats matter. However, I do think her actual given speed feats are obviously good. I don't buy the gatling gun feat being better than Maki's bullet catch, as we get an actual distance for her relation to the shooter and her relation to the bullet for the feat. The highlight of the feat isn't deflecting the bullets, but catching the last one, which shows very good hand movement and reflexes. But, this all isn't enough as Jack's speed is still solid and Amera doesn't try to counter that other than "Maki is faster." Even if there is a speed difference, it's all moot considering she can't hurt Jack but he can one shot her. Elick's given piercing resistance feat for Jack is obviously not blunt (they're blades and we see them cutting through his clothes) and Amera never contests Jack's strong piercing feats.
  152.  
  153. Elick wins 3-0.
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