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Christianity, awareness, non-human babies

JaysonSunshine
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  1. 1:43:54 PM+InfiniteSpireBlackXanthus: Remember, Jesus taught us to be slow to anger.
  2. 1:43:58 PM+InfiniteSpireJames 1:19
  3. 1:44:06 PM+InfiniteSpireIn this way, you operate as a good ambassador for Christ
  4. 2:01:59 PM+Ceiling_CatInfiniteSpire, unless you're talking to Jews, in which case it's "ban at the drop of a hat, especially if they respond in kind to insults"
  5. 2:02:10 PM+Ceiling_CatNot you BlackXanthus
  6. 2:02:22 PM+InfiniteSpireCeiling_Cat: Can you clarify?
  7. 2:02:24 PM+Ceiling_Catbut quite a few of your compadres
  8. 2:02:36 PM+Ceiling_CatInfiniteSpire, #cd
  9. 2:02:49 PM+InfiniteSpireDo you want me to join #cd?
  10. 2:02:56 PM+Ceiling_Catthe place has become a xenophobic, homophobic, antisemitic madhouse
  11. 2:03:26 PM+InfiniteSpireCeiling_Cat: Mabus chose authoritarianism over justice, which rots organizations from the top down.
  12. 2:03:49 PM+InfiniteSpireThe operators learned they could do mostly whatever they want, as long as they were loyal. Like North Korea, for example.
  13. 2:04:40 PMⓘ tzip is now known as tzipsaway
  14. 2:05:39 PM+Ceiling_CatInfiniteSpire, this channel seems ok, depending on who's active
  15. 2:06:01 PM+Ceiling_CatInfiniteSpire, I was talking about #christiandebate, the new alt-right "abuse the liberals" channel.
  16. 2:06:02 PM+InfiniteSpireOh, that room is lost.
  17. 2:06:09 PM+Ceiling_Catyeah
  18. 2:06:14 PM+InfiniteSpireChristians are very vulnerable to racism.
  19. 2:06:29 PM+InfiniteSpireSo, obviously, the Christian faith as taught by Jesus is a universalist system.
  20. 2:06:30 PM+Ceiling_Catthe bible means absolutely nothing in there if it isn't being used as a weapon to attack others
  21. 2:06:40 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd so it should be sufficient antidote to any type of factionalism.
  22. 2:06:59 PM+InfiniteSpireBut, the praxis of Christianity for the typical Christianity is steeped in authoritarianism and lack of critical thought.
  23. 2:07:04 PM+InfiniteSpireWhich is somewhat supported by the teachings of Christ.
  24. 2:07:10 PM+Ceiling_CatThere's no love there, only hate, and you're hated even more if you notice, or return insults in kind.
  25. 2:07:17 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd so they get use to following orders, even if those orders are horrifying.
  26. 2:07:30 PM Stopped ignoring BlackXanthus!*@*
  27. 2:07:34 PM+Ceiling_CatHonestly? I think it's the opposite
  28. 2:07:44 PM+Ceiling_Catpeople who have a pathological need to bully others are given ops
  29. 2:08:01 PM+Ceiling_Catand then the "authority" turns a blind eye to their abuse of others
  30. 2:08:02 PM+InfiniteSpireIt depends on who the original leaders are.
  31. 2:08:17 PM+InfiniteSpireBut, yes, bullies are often good at being loyal dogs to the higher ups.
  32. 2:08:27 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd so weak-willed higher ups often promote bullies.
  33. 2:08:56 PM+InfiniteSpireI communicated with Sara_Ks for months about the extreme anti-Christlike behavior of VirtualPreacher. She defended him always.
  34. 2:09:01 PM+InfiniteSpireIt was just his style, she said.
  35. 2:09:05 PM+InfiniteSpire(I have all the logs)
  36. 2:09:19 PM+InfiniteSpireAmerican Christianity is very, very broken.
  37. 2:09:30 PM+InfiniteSpireMost American Christians support Donald Trump, an anti-Christ.
  38. 2:09:31 PM→ Womp-Womp has joined
  39. 2:09:31 PMⓘ Raven`X set mode +v Womp-Womp
  40. 2:10:05 PM← Womp-Womp has quit (Quit: thwap)
  41. 2:10:41 PM+Ceiling_CatInfiniteSpire, yep, even as a non-op, he's made that channel absolutely toxic
  42. 2:11:05 PM+InfiniteSpireChrist calls on his followers to criticize their fellow Christians in public.
  43. 2:11:27 PM+Ceiling_Catit serves to show the worst of what the religion has to offer.
  44. 2:11:30 PM+InfiniteSpireAs that Methodist preacher did to Sessions the other day.
  45. 2:12:21 PM+InfiniteSpireIt is correct, according to Christ, for us to name Sara_Ks in her support of abusive human beings.
  46. 2:12:34 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd to call on her to repent and pray to Jesus for forgiveness and grace.
  47. 2:13:11 PM← ogrom has quit (Quit: ------)
  48. 2:13:11 PM+Ceiling_Catyeah, good luck with that.
  49. 2:13:53 PM+InfiniteSpireCeiling_Cat: I want to share something with you.
  50. 2:14:05 PM+Ceiling_CatSure
  51. 2:14:31 PM+InfiniteSpirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJJET1HMPMI
  52. 2:14:39 PM+InfiniteSpireI offer this song to you as a testament to the beauty of Western culture.
  53. 2:14:59 PM+Ceiling_CatNo, thanks
  54. 2:15:03 PM+InfiniteSpireWhy?
  55. 2:15:16 PM+Ceiling_CatIm watching south park and could care less about "western culture"
  56. 2:15:32 PM+InfiniteSpireRefusing gifts worsens relationships.
  57. 2:15:40 PM+Ceiling_Catif I want to celebrate the beauty of western culture, I listen to George Strait :)
  58. 2:15:45 PM+InfiniteSpireAccording to human psychology.
  59. 2:15:47 PMⓘ tzipsaway is now known as tzip
  60. 2:15:56 PM+Ceiling_CatThat's right - SOME Jews like Country music
  61. 2:16:25 PM+InfiniteSpireWestern/European culture, a culture of the Nazis, a culture of forgiveness.
  62. 2:16:44 PM+Ceiling_CatI don't like the nazis, sorry
  63. 2:17:00 PM+Ceiling_CatI checked out the video
  64. 2:17:01 PM+InfiniteSpireYou're confused.
  65. 2:17:08 PM+Ceiling_Catthe singer looks and sounds very unhappy
  66. 2:17:11 PM+InfiniteSpireAs to my intention.
  67. 2:17:18 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's not about liking Nazis or disliking Nazis.
  68. 2:17:22 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's about recognizing reality.
  69. 2:17:27 PM+InfiniteSpireWestern culture generated the Nazis.
  70. 2:17:33 PM+Ceiling_Catwell, I'm Jewish, and nazi culture doesn't appeal to me
  71. 2:17:33 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd they generated this song of forgiveness and beauty.
  72. 2:17:36 PM+Ceiling_Catthanks tho
  73. 2:17:47 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's not about appealing or not appealing to you.
  74. 2:17:52 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's about recognizing reality.
  75. 2:18:09 PM+InfiniteSpireAs long as their humans who generate these songs of forgiveness, beauty, and grace, there is hope.
  76. 2:18:13 PM* Ceiling_Cat shrugs - reality shows me the nazis were monsters and didn't offer shit to the world but misery.
  77. 2:18:27 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's not about what they offered or didn't offer.
  78. 2:18:34 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's about recognition that Nazism is part of our human nature.
  79. 2:18:41 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's what we've done before, and what we can do again.
  80. 2:18:49 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd we accept that this is part of our family, part of our heritage.
  81. 2:18:56 PM+InfiniteSpireWe work to forgive those impulses in ourselves and in others.
  82. 2:18:59 PM+Ceiling_Catperhaps part of yours.
  83. 2:19:04 PM* Ceiling_Cat shrugs
  84. 2:19:05 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd sing songs of forgiveness and hope.
  85. 2:19:12 PM+InfiniteSpireThere is a single human family, Ceiling_Cat.
  86. 2:19:18 PM+Ceiling_CatYou're welcome to your opinion of course. I'd prefer nazis be executed.
  87. 2:19:48 PM+InfiniteSpireThis conversation has shown me that you fundamentally reject the message of Christ.
  88. 2:20:00 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd you're not merely annoyed with the abusive Christians in #christiandebate.
  89. 2:20:05 PM+Ceiling_CatI absolutely do. Jesus had some good and some bad teachings.
  90. 2:20:14 PM+InfiniteSpireI am an atheist.
  91. 2:20:16 PM+Ceiling_Catbut he's not a god or all knowing by any means
  92. 2:20:27 PM+InfiniteSpireChristianity is part of the single, atheist project on Earth.
  93. 2:20:39 PM+Ceiling_Catok, whatever floats your boat. Sorry to have set you off. G-d bless :)
  94. 2:20:56 PM+InfiniteSpireAcceptance and forgiveness of hurt is a core teaching of Christianity and Buddhism.
  95. 2:21:12 PM+InfiniteSpireIt is the greatest antidote to the impulses in us that led to Nazism.
  96. 2:21:23 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd when practiced on this day, and every other day, helps prevent Nazism from returning.
  97. 2:22:20 PM+InfiniteSpireCeiling_Cat: How would you rate your empathy?
  98. 2:22:48 PM+InfiniteSpireI feel you essentially destroyed our burgeoning trust with your thoughtless comments.
  99. 2:23:05 PM+InfiniteSpire'Words have the power to heal and destroy. When our words are both kind and true, they can change the world.' - Buddha
  100. 2:23:19 PMⓘ tzip is now known as tzipsaway
  101. 2:24:22 PM+Ceiling_CatInfiniteSpire, variable depending on the person
  102. 2:24:35 PM+InfiniteSpireWhen I, as a European, work to forgive the sins of others, I become worthy of forgiveness. This is the most important teaching of Christ.
  103. 2:24:46 PM+Ceiling_CatInfiniteSpire, for example, I have a lot for the poor and homeless, but none for child molesters
  104. 2:25:26 PM+InfiniteSpireIt is hard for us to not hurt babies.
  105. 2:25:38 PM+InfiniteSpireWhen we drink cow's milk, we hurt cow babies.
  106. 2:25:44 PM+Ceiling_Catlol!
  107. 2:25:46 PM+InfiniteSpireWhen we eat animal parts, we hurt animal babies.
  108. 2:26:00 PM+InfiniteSpireWhen we vote for the GOP, we hurt human babies in Yemen and poor American babies in the United States.
  109. 2:26:01 PM+Ceiling_CatWhy didn't any of you assholes in this channel warn me this guy was batshit??!?
  110. 2:26:23 PM+InfiniteSpireWhen you hear 'babies' you think 'human babies'.
  111. 2:26:30 PM+InfiniteSpireBecause you're human-centric, as are most humans.
  112. 2:26:43 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's part of our core human programming from evolution.
  113. 2:26:47 PM+InfiniteSpireBut, the truth is that most babies are not humans.
  114. 2:27:09 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd it is possible for us to expand our awareness beyond our mere species to the lives and concerns of others who were born into different shapes.
  115. 2:27:25 PM+InfiniteSpireBy extension of the Noble Eightfold Path in Buddhism, it turns out it is difficult to universally follow various ethical creeds.
  116. 2:27:49 PM+InfiniteSpireThe simple "We don't hurt babies" -- a creed of mine -- while apparently simple, is not.
  117. 2:27:55 PM+InfiniteSpireFor every member of this room hurts babies, including you.
  118. 2:28:09 PM+InfiniteSpireYou may not molest human children, but you participate in actions that separate cow babies from their cow mothers.
  119. 2:28:11 PM+InfiniteSpireAs do I.
  120. 2:28:23 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd this is an opportunity for us to reflect on the way that you and I hurt babies on this planet.
  121. 2:28:25 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd strive to do better.
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