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  1. [2014/08/24 7:25:25] Keizaron: yeah, if you need to use revive
  2. [2014/08/24 7:25:33] Alex MC Culla: based shenanagans
  3. [2014/08/24 7:25:33] Keizaron: so the route for the strat is
  4. [2014/08/24 7:25:38] Fract NL: very backup, only when you revive but good job
  5. [2014/08/24 7:25:52] Keizaron: post Whitney, you get the water bottle
  6. [2014/08/24 7:25:57] Keizaron: then go to underground and fight them
  7. [2014/08/24 7:26:15] Keizaron: Headbutt x2 (DR) on first trainer, Water Gun x3 and Headbutt x1 on second trainer
  8. [2014/08/24 7:26:19] Alex MC Culla: should put a warning saying "do not try this with decon's terrible revive skip strat Kappa"
  9. [2014/08/24 7:26:20] Keizaron: then go to center afterwards, then mart
  10. [2014/08/24 7:26:23] Fract NL: yeah
  11. [2014/08/24 7:26:23] Keizaron: so mart and center are swapped
  12. [2014/08/24 7:26:33] Fract NL: yah that doesnt matter
  13. [2014/08/24 7:26:51] Alex MC Culla: you lose like 2 steps by doing mart last :P
  14. [2014/08/24 7:26:55] Fract NL: so you have to do some extra movement but the lighthouse is a bit slower
  15. [2014/08/24 7:27:06] Fract NL: alright
  16. [2014/08/24 7:27:23] Keizaron: it's one of those strats you don't really want to try
  17. [2014/08/24 7:27:24] Fract NL: now we can stop spamming is this chat Kappa
  18. [2014/08/24 7:27:40] Fract NL: well there are no problems coming along
  19. [2014/08/24 7:27:48] Fract NL: just timewaste
  20. [2014/08/24 7:27:54] Fract NL: now its just less timewaste i guess
  21. [2014/08/24 7:28:03] Keizaron: of course, if you hit enough spinners you are fine
  22. [2014/08/24 7:28:08] Alex MC Culla: and fighting those 2 trainers makes it more likely you won't need candy
  23. [2014/08/24 7:28:16] Fract NL: yeah
  24. [2014/08/24 7:28:19] Alex MC Culla: since you get 1100 of the ~2100 xp you need from spinners
  25. [2014/08/24 7:28:25] Alex MC Culla: rough estimate
  26. [2014/08/24 7:28:36] Fract NL: i see Decon
  27. [2014/08/24 7:28:42] Keizaron: any combo of two spinners from Benny onwards should net you the money you need, maybe just a pokeball or two sold after
  28. [2014/08/24 7:28:44] Alex MC Culla: which saves 10 more seconds
  29. [2014/08/24 7:28:57] Keizaron: so if you go spinnerless but have to revive, the trainers are fastest
  30. [2014/08/24 7:29:03] Fract NL: yes
  31. [2014/08/24 7:29:13] Keizaron: if you hit two spinners starting at Benny, you just need to sell some balls
  32. [2014/08/24 7:29:24] Fract NL: Keiz did you look into the bingo cart crafted and me did yesterday?
  33. [2014/08/24 7:29:31] Fract NL: it was pretty interesting
  34. [2014/08/24 7:29:33] Keizaron: I didn't have a chance to look
  35. [2014/08/24 7:29:37] Fract NL: getting sandslash lol
  36. [2014/08/24 7:29:38] Keizaron: I'll have to look when I wake up later
  37. [2014/08/24 7:29:39] Fract NL: okay
  38. [2014/08/24 7:29:46] Fract NL: whatever
  39. [2014/08/24 7:29:50] Fract NL: im gonna go cya guys
  40. [2014/08/24 7:29:54] Alex MC Culla: i feel like i could have won with cyndaquil% if i planned it out well enough
  41. [2014/08/24 7:30:00] Alex MC Culla: alright, see ya
  42. [2014/08/24 7:30:06] Keizaron: I want to look into it because bingo sounds fun
  43. [2014/08/24 7:30:09] Fract NL: i think that would take around the same time if it goes good yah
  44. [2014/08/24 7:30:15] Fract NL: it really was fun
  45. [2014/08/24 7:30:22] Fract NL: k cya
  46. [2014/08/24 7:30:25] Alex MC Culla: i've seen some take like 3+ hours though
  47. [2014/08/24 7:30:27] Alex MC Culla: lol
  48. [2014/08/24 7:30:32] Fract NL: it took 2
  49. [2014/08/24 7:30:38] Keizaron: 'kay, you'll probably see me again in like 7-8 hours
  50. [2014/08/24 7:30:44] Fract NL: cool
  51. [2014/08/24 7:30:45] Keizaron: so good morning/afternoon/night people
  52. [2014/08/24 7:30:53] Alex MC Culla: i should sleep too
  53. [2014/08/24 7:30:54] Alex MC Culla: Kappa
  54. [2014/08/24 7:30:55] Fract NL: haha good night keiz
  55. [2014/08/24 7:31:06] Keizaron: sorry for snapping earlier fract
  56. [2014/08/24 7:31:06] Keizaron: (heart)
  57. [2014/08/24 7:31:25] Fract NL: np, the guard spec just isnt the best i think
  58. [2014/08/24 7:31:33] Fract NL: but the revive backup strat is cool
  59. [2014/08/24 7:31:39] Keizaron: that wasn't my focus so much as the revive strat
  60. [2014/08/24 7:31:43] Fract NL: good night Keizaron
  61. [2014/08/24 7:31:45] Alex MC Culla: so we can all agree that lemon's idea was bad :P
  62. [2014/08/24 7:31:48] Keizaron: yes
  63. [2014/08/24 7:31:50] Keizaron: night
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  67. [2014/08/27 2:48:29] Keizaron: so I timed the center skip that Decon does
  68. [2014/08/27 2:49:07] Keizaron: I timed the following in the strategy: amount of time to shop, amount of time to center/skip, and amount of time to skip/pick up ether
  69. [2014/08/27 2:49:54] Keizaron: everything is rounded to a second. obviously 4 potions to 2 potions is just inputs and not even a full second, but this is what I came up with; first part is the current route, second part is the skip that Decon does
  70. [2014/08/27 2:50:35] Keizaron: ~18 seconds shopping, from entering mart to leaving mart
  71. ~48 seconds to center (assuming double deposit already)
  72. ~53 seconds from last repel to goldenrod
  73. [2014/08/27 2:51:30] Keizaron: ~19 seconds shopping, from entering mart to leaving mart
  74. ~36 seconds center skip (assumed double potion)
  75. ~59 seconds from last repel, to ether, to goldenrod
  76. [2014/08/27 2:52:06] Keizaron: so it amounts to 5 seconds saved, assuming you don't hit a pokemon in yolo grass due to repel ending earlier
  77. [2014/08/27 2:52:33] Keizaron: the problem is, that yolo grass, first off. second being selling the ether, which I'll round up to an extra second
  78. [2014/08/27 2:53:33] Keizaron: so it becomes a 4 second save assuming:
  79. 1. you repel during healing/fury cutter teaching
  80. 2. you get no encounters
  81. [2014/08/27 2:53:54] Keizaron: it becomes a 1-2 second save assuming:
  82. 1. you repel once in ilex, in a separate menu
  83. [2014/08/27 2:54:37] Keizaron: so that center skip is really not worth it in realistic situations, but in the most optimal route with the most optimal luck with encounters, it is faster
  84. [2014/08/27 3:00:46] Keizaron: nevermind, selling ether is extra 2 seconds
  85. [2014/08/27 3:00:55] Keizaron: so you literally either break even or save 2 seconds in the best scenario
  86. [2014/08/27 3:14:44] Keizaron: on a similar topic, has a center skip in Goldenrod ever been considered if no spinners are hit and enough healing items are left? I know that's VERY situational, though...
  87. [2014/08/27 3:15:39] Keizaron: you'd probably need a super potion and two regular potions after Whitney for that to work, though
  88. [2014/08/27 3:16:53] Keizaron: so very unlikely to be able to pull it off
  89. [2014/08/27 3:18:14] Keizaron: 8-10 PP of Headbutt for Kimono girls assuming Water Gun and/or Bite on Flareon/Espeon instead of Headbutt, but that just sounds too risky if you get Sand Attacked
  90. [2014/08/27 3:30:07] Keizaron: in Rival 3, my notes say Ice Punch Zubat (no idea if that's up to date), but I have a bad special Croconaw here and Surf seems to always kill in one hit. save some text that way, I guess
  91. [2014/08/27 3:37:42] Keizaron: assuming you don't get Spite and you Surf the Haunter before Morty, you can Surf Morty's Gastly for frames and Bite + Surf Gengar for text save, but that would leave you with 0 Surf PP, so if you hit one of the spinners, you'd have to improvise
  92. [2014/08/27 3:39:20] Keizaron: could always stick with Ice Punch on Gastly to play it safe
  93. [2014/08/27 3:50:10] Keizaron: also I'm finding some places where you can Surf and save some frames here and there that aren't listed in my notes or oblivinator's notes
  94. [2014/08/27 3:50:19] Keizaron: ....y'all are gonna come in here and see me rambling to myself
  95. [2014/08/27 3:54:16] Keizaron: well, nevermind on the Surf thing, since oblivinator uses Surf at the Hideout instead of Strength. guess that works too
  96. [2014/08/27 3:56:09] Keizaron: so you can, uh, save frames on the Noctowl in Lighthouse and/or Machoke in Cianwood by Headbutt + Surf instead of Headbutt x2 if you don't hit Ernest, I guess... :(
  97. [2014/08/27 3:59:06] Keizaron: I suck at this
  98. [2014/08/27 9:13:43] Alex MC Culla: so you literally either break even or save 2 seconds in the best scenarioso it is faster
  99. [2014/08/27 9:13:45] Alex MC Culla: Kappa b
  100. [2014/08/27 11:04:55] Fract NL: good job Keizaron, Im too lazy to test those things most of the times
  101. [2014/08/27 11:05:17] Fract NL: I wouldnt skip the center in azelea btw
  102. [2014/08/27 15:32:08] Keizaron: I couldn't sleep
  103. [2014/08/27 15:32:12] Keizaron: so I thought I'd try some stuff out
  104. [2014/08/27 15:32:32] Keizaron: so literally the only thing was the Surf thing on Morty that I haven't seen mentioned on any set of notes
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