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  1. not up to date has old strats like dig clefairy strats which are not used in my 3:28:46 PB honestly just watch that to see whats new
  2. idk if ill make proper notes later
  3. combine with ananan frr2 notes and frlg any% glitchless notes
  4. ch'ding skip sucks don't do it unless u know what ur doing
  5.  
  6. Pokemon LeafGreen Round 2 Early Surge
  7.  
  8. Exclusives
  9. FR LG
  10. ------------------
  11. Ekans Sandshrew
  12. Arbok Sandslash
  13. Oddish Bellsprout
  14. Gloom Weepinbell
  15. Vileplume Victreebel
  16. Psyduck Slowpoke
  17. Golduck Slowbro
  18. Growlithe Vulpix
  19. Arcanine Ninetales
  20. Electabuzz Magmar
  21. =========================
  22. PROS (from Pulse)
  23. - Weepinbell > Gloom
  24. > No Moonlight/Sleep Powder
  25. > Easier to weaken
  26. - Vulpix > Growlithe
  27. > No Intimidate
  28. - Grimer/Muk > Koffing/Weezing
  29. > No boom
  30. > Koffing sometimes dies to Bite
  31. > Muk 62% catch at 20% HP
  32. - Slowbro > Golduck
  33. > Easier to weaken
  34. - Sandshrew learns Cut + Strength
  35. > Can skip Ch'Ding
  36. - Ch'Ding skip viable with Pidgey + Shrew?
  37. > Maybe not worth if catch Spearow first
  38. - Spearow candy Poke! WOW
  39. - No Electabuzz in Power Plant (5% less)
  40.  
  41. CONS (Specific to Late Surge?)
  42. - Psyduck > Slowpoke (Super effective text)
  43. - 15% Magneton instead of 10% in Power Plant
  44. ============================================
  45. ROUTE 1
  46. - Get the Mart Guy Potion second pass unless took damage before first pass
  47. - Only catch Lv2 or Lv3s in Torrent
  48.  
  49. VIRIDIAN FOREST
  50. - If didn't get Mart Guy Potion, get tree Antidote
  51.  
  52. PEWTER SHOPPING
  53. - Remember how many Potions and Antidotes you have
  54. - DONT SELL ROCK TOMB
  55. - (Need $140+ after shopping for Magikarp)
  56. - PARA HEAL SKIP SHOP:
  57. 3 or less | 4 or more
  58. ----------------------------------------------
  59. > 2 Poke Balls
  60. > 5 Potions | 6 Potions
  61. > 3 Antidotes | 3 Antidotes
  62. > 3 Awakenings | 3 Awakenings
  63. > 1 Escape Rope | 1 Escape Rope
  64. > 3 Repels | 3 Repels
  65. - If 4+ Poke Balls and 2 Antidotes buy:
  66. > 1 Poke Ball
  67. > 5 Potions
  68. > (skip Antidotes)
  69. > 3 Paralyze Heals
  70. > 3 Awakenings
  71. > 1 Escape Rope
  72. > 3 Repels
  73. - If 4+ Poke Balls and 0-1 Antidotes buy:
  74. > 1 Poke Ball
  75. > 4 Potions
  76. > 3 Antidotes
  77. > 3 Paralyze Heals
  78. > 3 Awakenings
  79. > 1 Escape Rope
  80. > 3 Repels
  81. - If 2-3 Poke Balls and 2 Antidotes buy:
  82. > 2 Poke Balls
  83. > 5 Potions
  84. > 2 Paralyze Heals
  85. > 3 Awakenings
  86. > 1 Escape Rope
  87. > 3 Repels
  88. - If 2-3 Poke Balls and 0-1 Antidotes buy:
  89. > 2 Poke Balls
  90. > 4 Potions
  91. > 1 Antidote
  92. > 3 Paralyze Heals
  93. > 3 Awakenings
  94. > 1 Escape Rope
  95. > 3 Repels
  96. - If 0-1 Poke Balls buy:
  97. > 3 Poke Balls
  98. > 4 Potions
  99. > 1 Antidote
  100. > 2 Paralyze Heals
  101. > 3 Awakenings
  102. > 1 Escape Rope
  103. > 3 Repels
  104.  
  105. ROUTE 3
  106. - If you don't have Pidgey, find a bird:
  107. > Pidgey: Catch and do Route 4
  108. > Spearow: Catch and skip Route 4
  109. - If you have Pidgey, skip and do Route 4
  110.  
  111. MT. MOON
  112. - Get Revive if you can afford the steps (3 Repels max)
  113. - If Spearow in party AND 4 Pokemon, consider skipping Zubat and do center skip
  114. - If 1- Antidote, get Antidote before leaving
  115. - Consider catching Paras if no need Route 4 and 3+ Poke Balls
  116.  
  117. ROUTE 4
  118. - If have Spearow: skip Route 4
  119. - If have Pidgey: stall for Spearow/Sandshrew (either one)
  120. - Sandshrew: Tackle + Poke/Great Ball
  121. > Sandshrew: Catch and leave with Pidgey
  122. > Nickname Sandshrew A if you catch it
  123.  
  124. CERULEAN CENTER
  125. - Deposit everything except:
  126. > 1st Bug and Pidgey + Sandshrew
  127. > OR 1st Bug, Spearow
  128. - Party:
  129. > Wartortle, Pidgey, Sandshrew, 1st Bug
  130. > OR Wartortle, Spearow, (Pikachu), 1st Bug
  131.  
  132. ROUTE 6
  133. - Get the Candy before Vermillion
  134.  
  135. VERMILLION CITY
  136. - Skip Vermillion Center even with Pikachu
  137. - If no Spearow, skip Ch'Ding trade
  138.  
  139. VERMILLION SHOPPING
  140. - PARA HEAL SKIP SHOP:
  141. > Sell Nugget
  142. > 3 Super Potions
  143. > 3 Paralyze Heals
  144. > 5 Repels
  145. - Buy first 3 Super Potions, 4 Repels
  146. - SELL NUGGET AFTER PLEASE
  147.  
  148. SS ANNE
  149. - BOAT HEAL, CH'DING TRADE
  150. - TEACH CUT TO CH'DING/SANDSHREW (AND DIG HERE IF SANDSHREW?) AND ENTER GYM
  151.  
  152. SURGE GYM
  153. - Raichu T-Wave: Heal Para if SW puts you in QA range, otherwise don't
  154. - BIKE VOUCHER AFTER
  155.  
  156. BIKE SHOP
  157. - Move TM Case to above Bicycle
  158.  
  159. ROUTE 10
  160. - IF PIKACHU, SKIP THIS CENTER
  161. - IF <3 SUPER POTIONS, GET THE HIDDEN SUPER POTION
  162.  
  163. ROCK TUNNEL
  164. - WG first slowpoke if a hit puts you to Torrent
  165.  
  166. LAVENDER TOWN
  167. - SKIP LAVENDER CENTER NO MATTER WHAT
  168.  
  169. CELADON CITY
  170. - (COIN CASE SKIP STRAT IS AN IDEA??)
  171. > (WITH PIDGEY + SANDSHREW, OR CH'DING + MANKEY: SKIP COIN CASE AND HIDDEN CELADON PP UP)
  172. > (SKIP BUYING COINS AND SKIP BUYING ABRA + CLEFAIRY, GASTLY CATCH FOR NIGHT SHADE FOR PEWTER/PLANT SECTION)
  173. > SKIP SELLING SHOCK WAVE AND ROCK TOMB
  174. - If you have Sandshrew, and two extra slots, get Eevee
  175. - Pidgey + Sandshrew with one slot, delay Eevee
  176. > Buy Abra first if one empty slot left
  177. - Coin Case, PP Up like normal
  178.  
  179. GAME CORNER
  180. - GET TWO STACKS OF 500 (DONT PICK UP ANY COINS)
  181. - HIDEOUT: Pick up all the items as usual
  182. > Usual early Surge hideout strats (fight right Grunt first if 30 SpA)
  183. > Ch'Ding + 2 empty slots: Clefairy + Abra
  184. - EARLY SURGE DELAY TEA
  185.  
  186. CELADON SHOPPING
  187. - PARA HEAL SKIP SHOP:
  188. > Sell Dig, SW, RT
  189. > Buy usual
  190. > (PEW)MILLION SHOP: Buy 1/1/2/1 (as opposed to 2/1/x/1)
  191. - Sell Shock Wave, Rock Tomb in 4F
  192. - Buy Kick strats: 4, 5/6, 23/22, 6, 3
  193. - Buy Spec strats: 3, 5/6, 26/25, 6, 2
  194.  
  195.  
  196. FLY HOUSE
  197. - Teach Fly to Bird
  198. - (Heal to 44ish)
  199. - Fly to Lavender
  200.  
  201. LAVENDER TOWER
  202. - GET THE TOWER ELIXIR
  203. - Cubone: Eevee and QA
  204. - Gastly: Switch to Pidgey + Fly/Ch'Ding + Peck
  205. > Repel after
  206. - Fly to Celadon after Flute
  207.  
  208. CELADON CITY
  209. - Get the Tea NOW
  210.  
  211. FUSCHIA CITY
  212. - Skip the Fuschia Mart before Safari!
  213. > We will take this after Koga
  214.  
  215. SAFARI ZONE
  216. - Get everything as usual
  217. > Remember Nido odds are flipped from FireRed
  218.  
  219. FUSCHIA GYM
  220. - Same Koga as FR
  221. > Have Torrent or close to Torrent after
  222. - HEAD TO MART AFTER GYM (right ledge then up)
  223.  
  224. FUSCHIA SHOP
  225. - PARA HEAL SKIP SHOP:
  226. > Sell Protein
  227. > (17600+) Buy 13 Ultra Balls, 1 Full Heal, 2 Max Repels
  228. - (PEW)MILLION SHOP:
  229. > Sell Protein, Toxic
  230. > (19100+) Same buy but SKIP FULL HEAL
  231. - Sell Protein
  232. - Buy 12 Ultra Balls, 1 Full Heal, 3 Max Repels
  233. > Need 17100+ for main shopping
  234. - (Test) If you have both bugs:
  235. > Delay Protein sell
  236. > Buy 9 Ultra Balls, 2 Max Repels
  237. - Swap Eevee to slot 1, do usual Pewter/Plant stuff
  238. > If doing plant and you have Abra, Teleport there
  239.  
  240. (PEW)MILLION STRAT
  241. - Fly to Vermillion, onward to Route 12
  242. - GET SUPER ROD
  243. - Cut bush, GET HIDDEN CANDY (bike 4 tiles deep, second left column)
  244. - Route 12 encounters:
  245. > Pidgey 30%/Venonat 30%/Bellsprout 35%/Weepinbell 5%
  246. > Pidgey: Yoloball Ultra
  247. > Venonat: Bite + Ultra
  248. > Bellsprout: Yoloball Ultra
  249. > Weepinbell: Bite + Ultra
  250. - Switch Eevee to front and fly to Pallet (left)
  251.  
  252. PEWTER CITY
  253. - TRADE ABRA FOR MIME IF YOU NEED IT
  254.  
  255. PALLET TOWN
  256. - MOM HEAL SKIP:
  257. > Need to be faster than Rapidash in Torrent OR slower in 50-60ish HP
  258. - (PEW)MILLION:
  259. > Register Super Rod and fish
  260. > Krabby (40%): QA + Ultra
  261. > Staryu (40%): QA + Ultra
  262.  
  263. ROUTE 22
  264. - Max Repel whenever caught Tentacool, (register Bike here or in Mansion)
  265. > Swap Blastoise to slot 1 as well
  266.  
  267. MANSION
  268. - Icy idea: 5 safari without Paras/4 with Paras: leave with only Grimer + Raticate
  269. > Otherwise, consider risking one more catch
  270. - GET THE MOON STONE
  271. - GET THE MANSION ZINC IN FLOOR 2 BALCONY?
  272. - Vulpix: Bite + Great/Ultra Ball
  273. > Be aware of WoW
  274. - Grimer: Bite + Great/Ultra Ball
  275. - Koffing: Bite + Great/Ultra Ball
  276. - Muk: Surf + Bite/WP x2? ONLY CATCH IF DICEY
  277. - GET THE CARBOS
  278. - Sandshrew for Ditto if bug evolved on Koga
  279. - Standard menu
  280. 1) Teach Blizz, Fire(Water) Stone Eevee, (Moon Stone Clef), (Thunderstone Pika)
  281. 2) Equip Blackglasses, (Elixir if skipped Mom heal), Escape Rope
  282. 2a) Note: Delay Blackglasses if have Persim, equip before VR Rival instead
  283. > Blackglasses does not benefit for Weepinbell
  284. > MOON STONE CLEFAIRY IF YOU a) HAVE IT and b) GOT AERODACTYL/MANKEY/SANDSHREW/JIGGLYPUFF
  285.  
  286. CINNABAR GYM
  287. - WP Growlithe and Ponyta
  288.  
  289. ISLANDS
  290. - Early Pony if 50-55ish and 3-5+ balls:
  291. > Slowpoke: WP
  292. > Slowpoke IS NEVER a candy mon
  293. > Spearow IS a candy mon
  294. - Very nice to have Torrent here
  295.  
  296. THREE ISLAND
  297. - GET THE CUT TREE ZINC AFTER BIKERS, BEFORE MART!
  298. - (Heal earlier after Bikers if Poisoned)
  299.  
  300. THREE ISLAND MART
  301. - PARA HEAL SKIP SHOP:
  302. > Sell Zinc, Carbos
  303. > 12 Ultra Balls, 6 Escape Ropes
  304. > (17900 + 1 Max Repel): 11 Ultra Balls, 1 Max Repel, 6 Escape Ropes
  305. - Sell Zinc, Carbos
  306. - Buy 12 Ultra Balls, 6 Escape Ropes
  307. > Need 17700+ to buy
  308. > Can sell TMs if you need
  309. > If you have 1 Max Repel: Buy 11 Ultra Balls, 2 Max Repels, 6 Escape Ropes (need 17900+ for this)
  310.  
  311. BOND BRIDGE
  312. - (Heal)
  313. - (Pick up hidden Max Repel if <2)
  314. - Lv31 Slowpoke: WP*/Surf + Ultra Ball
  315. - Bellsprout: Ultra Ball
  316. > Can opt to WP + Poke Ball if you have any
  317. - Weepinbell: Surf*/Bite + Ultra Ball
  318. - Violet: X Special, Surf* x3
  319. > Opt to heal to full before Berry Forest
  320.  
  321. BERRY FOREST
  322. - No Spearow + Bellsprout: Cape Brink angle
  323. - Run from Hypno if youre iffy Ultra Ball count and catch count is good
  324.  
  325. CAPE BRINK
  326. - Spearow: Ultra Ball
  327. > Can Candy to Fearow!
  328. - Don't leave without Bellsprout
  329. - Fly to One Island if you did Mime trade
  330. > Fly to One Island after Pony
  331.  
  332. ONE ISLAND PC
  333. - Move: Pikachu, Ponyta, Venonat/filler
  334. - Party: Pikachu, Bird, 1st Bug, Ponyta, Venonat, Blastoise
  335. > If no Veno, replace with stone/candy mon
  336.  
  337. CINNABAR LAB
  338. - Order: Trade Pony, fossils, (candy Seel, and/or candy/stone mon), evolve Pika, trade Raichu, (trade Veno)
  339. > Candy Seel first or evolve Pika first depending on which is closer in the bag
  340. - Fly to Celadon bike to Silph Co after leaving
  341. > Stall Route 7 if no Pidgey, Vulpix, Meowth and need higher catch count
  342.  
  343. SILPH CO.
  344. - Swap Bug to slot 1 at some point during spinner passes
  345. - WP Growlithe and Cubone usually
  346. - X Spec if no Torrent for 45
  347. - Bite Gio 2 Rhyhorn at +1 (15/16 range)
  348. - PC:
  349. - Nido 1, Nido 2,
  350. - Party: Blastoise, Bird, Nido 1, Nido 2, STRENGTH USER, 2nd Bug
  351. > STRENGTH USER WITH CH'DING/SANDSHREW WITHOUT
  352.  
  353. SAFFRON GYM
  354. - POKEMON MENU, DIG AFTER SABRINA
  355.  
  356. ROUTE 6
  357. - If two female Nidos: Trade small lowest lvl NidoF
  358. - Fly to Celadon
  359.  
  360. CELADON CITY
  361. - Same Erika split
  362. > Get Eevee if you haven't
  363. > ALWAYS BLIZZ VILEPLUME AT LV46 (HAPPENS IF YOU SPLIT EXP AT AN EARLIER FIGHT WITH NO EXTRA WILD EXP)
  364. > Maybe lead Bug and swap if only 2 Blizz left AND Acid puts you to Torrent (~7-9ish?)
  365. > After Erika same Warden section
  366.  
  367. WARDEN HOUSE
  368. - Give teeth to Warden, in front of boulder menu:
  369. > Teach Strength to Clefairy/Strength user
  370. > Candy SMALL Nidos as needed
  371. > Moon Stone all as needed
  372. > (Super to 50-70ish) OR consider heal to full + Elixir strat with <2 Blizz or no Surfs
  373. > Get the Candy
  374. - Exit menu:
  375. > Swap Bug to slot 1
  376. > (Take off Persim if you have it)
  377. > Fly to Viridian
  378.  
  379. VIRIDIAN (PEW)MILLION:
  380. - Poliwag (40%): Yolo Ultra
  381. - Poliwhirl (40%): Switch to Nidoking + Poison Sting
  382.  
  383. EXIT GYM
  384. - (Equip Blackglasses if need)
  385. - Heal to full/110 Torrent HP
  386. - (Max Repel if have Rat/Mankey + Slowpoke)
  387.  
  388. ROUTE 23
  389. - (Hidden Ultra Ball)
  390. - Slowpoke: Bite with Nidoqueen
  391. - Sandshrew: Yolo Ultra Ball
  392. - Sandslash: Bite + Ultra Ball
  393. > Candyable, evolves at Lv22
  394.  
  395. VICTORY ROAD
  396. - (Hidden Ultra Ball)
  397.  
  398. INDIGO PLATEAU
  399. - (Hidden Max Elixir if you used Tower Elixir)
  400. - ENDING PC PARTY:
  401. > Blastoise, Ch'Ding/Pidgey, Clefairy/STRENGTH USER, Omanyte, Abra
  402. - Shop:
  403. > If have Max Repel and 27500+: buy 8,5 (max)
  404. > Otherwise: buy 7,6 (max)
  405.  
  406. POST-GAME
  407. - Fly to Vermillion, one Island, Celio cutscene
  408. - KARATE DUO FUNNY PASS!
  409. - After Ruby menu (Pokemon):
  410. > Dig
  411. > Take off Blackglasses
  412. > Teleport
  413. - Post Waterfall menu (Bag):
  414. > Max Repel
  415. > Teach Waterfall to Omanyte
  416. > Equip Lum Berry
  417. - Post Lorelei menu (Pokemon):
  418. > Dig
  419. > Teleport
  420. - Six Island
  421. - Dotted Hole: Up, Left, Right Down
  422. - Post Dotted Hole menu (Pokemon):
  423. > Teleport
  424. > Five Island
  425. - Post Gideon menu (Bag):
  426. > Max Repel
  427. > (Pokemon) Dig
  428. > Teleport
  429. - Cerulean Cave
  430. > (Get Max Elixir if you used Tower Elixir and didn't grab Indigo Plateau Max Elixir)
  431. - Post Mewtwo menu (Bag):
  432. > Teach EQ to Mewtwo over Swift (slot 1)
  433. > Teach FB to Mewtwo over Recover (slot 2)
  434. > (Pokemon) Dig
  435. > Swap Mewtwo to slot 1
  436. > Fly to Indigo Plateau
  437.  
  438. CHAMPION 2
  439. - Arcanine ESpeed:
  440. > 122 Def | 0 -Def: (60)61-70(71)
  441. > 143 Def | 31 -Def: (51)52-60(61)
  442.  
  443. > 136 Def | 0 Def: (54)55-63(64)
  444. > 159 Def | 31 Def: (46)47-54(55)
  445.  
  446. > 149 Def | 0 +Def: 50-58(59)
  447. > 174 Def | 31 +Def: (42)43-49(50)
  448.  
  449.  
  450.  
  451.  
  452.  
  453.  
  454.  
  455. Thoughts
  456. - Wanna be able to catch Spearow earlier and trade if needed
  457. - ROUTE 3, if no have Pidgey yet stall:
  458. > Pidgey: Catch and do Route 4
  459. > Spearow: Catch and skip Route 4
  460. - ROUTE 3, if have Pidgey skip and do Route 4
  461. - Necessary to teach Dig for shopping route? To afford more Ultra Balls
  462. > Skip all Ropes
  463. - Both Clefairy AND Sandshrew learn Dig, layout would look like:
  464. > Pidgey: Fly + Sandshrew: Cut + Strength + Dig
  465. > OR Ch'Ding: Cut + Fly, Clefable: Cut + Dig
  466. > OR Ch'Ding: Fly, Sandshrew: Cut + Dig
  467. - 25s getting all coins in FireRed, ~31s in LeafGreen skipping coins + picking up 120 coins + buying stacks of 50?
  468. - Teach Dig to Clefairy/Sandshrew to make up for Escape Ropes
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