<q> Effective advertising has to:
<q> 1 get the audience's attention
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<q> 2 persuade them
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<q> 3 be memorable
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<q> 4 simple and easy to process
<q> lol thanks
<q> anyway hypnosis, and by hypnosis I mean hypnotic language is used quite often in advertising
<q> NLP is also used in advertising
<q> Advertisements have a process by which they: Capture and focus attention, elicit emotions and persuade, and remain in memory long enough for the audience to act upon said persuasion
<Saundra> example of nlp or hypnotic language when it fits in?
<q> generally good advertisements focus on using statements like "imagine" "just suppose" "consider a life" "what would a world be like with"
<q> usually advertisements will give you a teaser, but not the whole message to produce......
<q> anticipation
<q> this increases focus
<q> the first part of using hypnosis is to get focus, attention, and if possible to get the subject imagining something
<q> when we imagine we are less critical
<q> less logical
<q> more prone to using mental shortcuts
<q> NLP styled advertisements are rife with "imagine statements"
<Saundra> nods
<q> and ones with hypnotic copy built in try to use a story
<q> (which activates imagination)
<q> after the customer's attention is focused and we have them imagining we will use some pacing and leading
<q> point out needs that everyone agrees with, and then connect those to our own product
<q> "everyone needs to drive"
<q> "no one wants a flat tire"
<q> "so take your care down to q-tires today because it will be great to have new tires today"
<q> the advertising process above can be seen in several big-o tire advertisements on radio
<Saundra> so using conscious logic and then switching to a payload?
<q> sort of
<q> pacing and leading is the close sibling of the compliance set
<Saundra> nods
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<q> people like to be consistent
<subm^> Isn't the time allocated to the ad a limiting factor in pacing and leading after you establish the capture and focus, q?
<q> indeed subm^
<q> a hypnotist might start of with 3 paces to every one lead
<q> but in an ad you compress that
<q> pace pace leads closing pace
<q> it runs the risk of being less effective, but shorter ads are cheaper and more effective
<q> sometimes they totally skip pacing and leading, and leap right to compliance sets
<q> anyway Saundra people like to be consistent
<q> if we mentally agree with the first statement
<q> we are more likely to be consistent with our agreement for the next statement
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<Saundra> does switching and not being consistent with objective of confusion ever have a role?
<q> lol
<q> ah it can
<ctrl-alt-me> political ads
<q> people in both marketing and political studies tend to crave consistency with their own commitments
<ctrl-alt-me> yes i want that.. yes i want that too.. i think that last one was written by the devil... but by god i want it as well!
<q> this seems to be what powers the hypnosis patterns of pacing and leading as well as compliance sets
<subm^> Their agenda
<q> yep
<q> but that internal struggle will cause cognitive dissonance
<q> a form of discomfort
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<q> its why you see increased aggression when someone's actions or expressed beliefs are inconsistent with their internal beliefs
<ctrl-alt-me> do you like puppys? do you like murder? candidate A likes puppies.. vote for candidate A
<q> lol yes
<q> that is more like an anchoring statement
<ctrl-alt-me> the implication being that candidate B likes nmurder
<q> sort of
<q> yep
<q> you associate puppies with one
<q> and murder with the other candidate
<q> anyway one of the most successful advertising campaigns was actually an essay contest created by an alcohol company
<q> this is really a compliance set in disguise
<q> if you write an essay and take the time to do so, you have made a commitment to liking the product
<q> that written commitment works on us both consciously and unconsciously
<q> the result was a tripling of alcohol sales
<subm^> and many drunk writers
<q> after submitting their essay they felt a need to be consistent and bought more of their "favorite" product
<q> lol yes
<q> sort of like subm^ when a stage hypnotist asks you to move to a second chair
<q> or follow some small foot in the door request
<q> after a few of these you are more likely to follow without thinking
<subm^> no doubt
<q> you already committed yourself to the trance
<q> yep
<q> or to the process
<q> even if you don't think of it as a "trance"
<q> the alcohol sales company advertisement was based on a CCP technique used in Korean POW camps, which was based on research in psych circles
<q> the key is to get small commitments and build
<ctrl-alt-me> "fist hit is free"
<q> it seems so natural, and so obvious, yet its surprisingly powerful
<ctrl-alt-me> first*
<q> yep
<q> "never too young to start"
<q> oh wait
<flora> oh wait is that a pun
<q> that one wasnt an ad that one was from dennis hopper
<q> oh well close enough
<Saundra> smiles
<q> anyway we can see the compliance set and pacing and leading sneak into advertising
<subm^> it seem like  it is the capture, focus, and building the blocks, using  pacing and framing you talked about, q
<q> indeed subm^
<q> when ads go online we have to worry about the Call to Action
<q> the more effort it takes for the user to buy the product, the less likely they are to do so
<subm^> But in short tv ads, you do not have tine to do that sequence, q
<q> that is why One Click Purchasing is so effective
<q> in television ads they cheat a little lol
<q> in television ads they use imagery
<q> anchoring if you will
<q> they place their product in the same picture with sexualized models, popular people, symbols of money, symbols of sex
<Saundra> based on prior exposure?
<q> and they associate their product with positive unconscious drives
<q> TV ads also might use an imagine statement or two
<subm^> That is what I always though but was not sure
<q> "just imagine having an ice cream maker in your car, you could have ice cream whenever you want!"
<ctrl-alt-me> i dont know.. i never use one click buy... i add to cart and see what else i want
<q> I mean thats a terrible idea ice cream maker in car
<q> yet they sell them
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<q> ah ctrl-alt-me I like to check shipping details personally
<q> but studies show a significant loss of click through rate when more clicks are required
<q> we want them to click Buy! on impulse without thinking about it
<q> the more effort and thinking the more they might re-consider the purchase
<ctrl-alt-me> lol
<q> they might decide to take one of the buy ten and save now deals off
<q> they might only buy one copy of the same DVD instead of two
<Saundra> so there is an emotional decision and a conscious logical decision?
<q> we could not have people thinking about what they buy consciously :P
<q> I think we emotionally make decisions first Saundra
<q> then justify them with reason and logic later
<q> of course thats only if the advertiser did their work
<subm^> Question please....do they  build on ads on the same item, ...each time trying to get you more likely to purchase,q?
<q> only if they connected with us, activated our emotions and imagination, and applied persuasive power
<Saundra> nods  I suspect emotion is primary and logic is icing on the cake
<q> generally they build item ads on one another
<q> don't buy the Q-2000
<q> buy the Q3000
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<q> you wont believe the number of increased options
<q> totally good investment, click buy now before you can think how much you totally want this product
<q> that also brings me to presumptive questions and double binds
<q> giving you choices of which color you want
<q> instead of asking if you want it
<q> it assumes the sale already took place
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<q> and we kind of go along with that because thats the way our mind works (also note the use of the word because to give a "reason")
<q> studies show that because reasons make people more likely to accept a statement, even if the reason is a non reason
<subm^> They have you build the car with wheels, colors, options too, q
<q> lol I have not seen that one subm^ :)
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<q> very nice example to bring up subm^ :)
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<q> you see it in advertisements also subm^ lol
<ctrl-alt-me> they have them like that on websites, q
<ctrl-alt-me> do that for computers too
<q> oh yes
<ctrl-alt-me> build your dream machine
<q> Dell did that a lot
<ctrl-alt-me> with all the extras
<ctrl-alt-me> just click buy and its all yours
<q> for some reason I totally forgot about that
<q> yep
<q> we also see repetition used a lot in advertising, because repetition is used a lot when planning advertising
<q> lol
<q> they space out their ads over a few weeks
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<q> they might start out with 4 ads a day for a couple days
<q> then they start spacing them out more and more
<subm^> All over.... Car websites are exceptional at doing that...and you find option after option that you want and that the company wants to sell
<ctrl-alt-me> oh.. wait.. does that mean it isnt a glitch when they play the same commercial twice in one break?
<q> that or incompetent ad coordinator ctrl-alt-me lol
<subm^> So true cam
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<q> if they repeat it too often it irritates people
<q> they might repeat one right after another on the first day of the campaign
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<q> but then they spread them out a little more
<q> and a little...............more
<q> because our memory works that way
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<astvald> i get annoyed at the ads even the first time i see it
<q> if we remember something for a week then they dont need to repeat it again for another 5 weeks if they want it to last
<subm^> I was going to ask that before- the same ad within  a short time played multiple times
<q> I think of that as over-saturation
<q> subm^, buy the Q3000 today ;)!subm^, buy the Q3000 today ;)!subm^, buy the Q3000 today ;)!subm^, buy the Q3000 today ;)!subm^, buy the Q3000 today ;)!subm^, buy the Q3000 today ;)!
<q> totally not annoying :P
<q> lol
<q> sometimes they do that when they release a new product
<q> they just run it over and over and over
<subm^> Give you one of the Q3000 I just bought, q?
<q> until the consumer wants to puke when they see it
<astvald> what's a Q3000? i have no idea, but i gotta have one
<q> lol
<q> yep
<subm^> lol astvald
<q> repetition is effective, but only when its spaced out
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<q> same applies for learning
<q> I can review a pack of flash cards or exam questions over and over 30 repetitions in one day
<q> but I will still forget it in a week
<q> and never want to see those questions again
<q> (might want to burn them :P)
<ctrl-alt-me> ah.. i hated rote learning in school
<q> but if I space those questions out
<q> one review a day for a week
<ctrl-alt-me> i was always getting yelled at for not paying attention...
<q> then only review once a week
<ctrl-alt-me> but the teacher was always saying the same damn thing s the day before
<q> then once a month
<q> I will remember it for up to 5 years before needing to review again
<q> ads are that way too
<ctrl-alt-me> and i learned it the firt time
<q> yep
<q> some ads are that way
<q> the best ads dont have to be repeated except once a week
<q> they are vivid and memorable enough they work
<ctrl-alt-me> that actually cost my parents a couple thousand dollars
<q> if you have a crappier ad thats hard to remember, pay for more of it
<subm^> I taught math and never made anyone memorize anything
<q> yep
<q> math is that way also
<ctrl-alt-me> cause the the school was insistant they get me tested fo ADD
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<q> practice over a period of time
<ctrl-alt-me> and they wouldnt reimburse the tests
<q> manufacturing and assembly line is great when done in batches all at once
<q> learning is not that way at all
<ctrl-alt-me> but i didnt have ADD.. i was just bored
<q> I have a big problem with ADD as a Dx.
<q> but back to ads
<q> lol
<q> before I totally stray off point
<q> to understand spaced repetition better I totally recommend reading this wiki on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_repetition
<q> (whenever you have a few minutes later)
<q> anyway advertisements will use framing also
<q> they will frame it as savings
<q> or frame it as scarce
<q> or frame the product as popular
<q> or better yet frame the product as being something that defines the consumers identity
<q> its not a cancer stick......its a freedom torch :P
<q> we can frame just about anything as good
<subm^> What is part of who the consumer is and hence needs?
<q> yep
<q> people love to be validated
<q> people tend to follow the herd
<q> but want to believe that they are unique
<q> so we make a product that everyone wants, that comes with custom skins
<q> lol
<q> we tell you everyone is buying them!
<q> then we say Be unique and represent yourself with custom skins!
<q> we actually manage to exploit both the desire to be unique and stand out, and still appeal to the herd mentality XD
<q> I mean its hilarious that that works at all
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<q> lol
<ctrl-alt-me> lol
<ctrl-alt-me> is it the top od the line most popular mouse?
<subm^> They often mention how many they have sold and you better hurry and purchase them
<q> lower end cheap ultra popular custom mouse :P
<q> lol
<q> yep
<q> or Find out what Trump doesm
<q> doesn't want you to know!
<q> buy our guide of forbidden tax secrets today!
<q> make it seem scarce
<q> or secret
<q> or "forbidden"
<q> its so "forbidden" we put it out on the world wide web :P
<q> "while supplies last"
<subm^> They sold 80 bottles and have 4,000,000 left
<q> lol
<q> probably 40 more than they would have sold ;)
<Saundra> so motivations that may not be logically likely but trigger a subconscious urge?
<subm^> lol  true
<q> lol yes Saundra it seems that we are in reality rational 10% of the time
<Saundra> nods at most
<q> and emotional or urge driven 90% of the time
<q> but we do try to justify our faulty decision making with logic XD
<Saundra> and the logic is driven by underlying emotion
<q> I think so
<Saundra> nods
<subm^> Are you saying 90% of purchases are emotional?
<q> emotional in some component I would think
<q> if we were totally logical we would probably buy less and get better prices
<willingbitch85> Well how else can you explain purchases beyond the basic necessities
<q> but being totally logical we would probably not be very happy
<subm^> That makes sense   You might need  new car, but when you look, emotion certainly has a real effect
<spiral_gazer> That's interesting, given how much of economics assumes the Rational Consumer, but markets actively try and subvert it
<q> yep lol spiral_gazer
<q> there are some probably semi-logical decisions
<subm^> agreed
<q> but the end price and timing are often emotionally impacted
<ctrl-alt-me> i think in that scope, they define rational as "doing as expected" :P
<ctrl-alt-me> "rational consumer"
<q> lol
<willingbitch85> The rational consumer, indeed the rational actor is these days only used when introducing concepts of market economics
<subm^> The logic/need starts the purchasing process...the emotion then becomes a more and more significant factor
<q> that would probably fit
<willingbitch85> Most developing areas of economics is attempting to integrate more psychology and sociology
<q> which also modifies the way we try to stroke those psychological biases to get higher ads
<willingbitch85> It's also why you see more advertising issuing value statements to their target markets
<q> the very research of understanding the economy will cause the economy to change
<q> lol
<subm^> Is that why the advertisers know and go after? the emotion and not the need.In fact change emotion into what you think you need or want?
<q> generally
<q> you can toss in feature statements
<subm^> what not why
<q> or value statements
<ctrl-alt-me> but that sort of system would lead to orwellian uniformity, willingbitch85
<ctrl-alt-me> not just telling you what to buy. but what to believe
<q> hm I think part of that would be text book framing and filtering
<q> and political ads
<q> and shoe-horning in political ideology into course-work
<willingbitch85> Well the end goal for any advertising is to get us all to be uniform
<ctrl-alt-me> i might need to link the new morrisey song.. for those who havent yet heard it....
<ctrl-alt-me> but its topically relevant
<q> well public relations and advertising used to be called propaganda
<Saundra> i thought end goal of advertising is to make wealthy richer
<willingbitch85> When you try and sell something, you have your target market but you never complain about spill-over sales
<q> but since the Nazis and Goebels made it look really bad, Edward Bernays who ran PR and advertising firms in the US renamed their work to Public Relations
<q> and corporate communications
<willingbitch85> Technically the nazis were damn effective at it, remember they seized power with only about a third of the population backing it from a democracy
<q> well I meant it made propaganda look evil
<q> and in some cases it was used for evil
<q> (still is in some cases)
<q> https://youtu.be/eJ3RzGoQC4s
<q> The Century of the Self covers a lot of Edward Bernays work
<Saundra> nods
<q> but NLP and hypnosis has been slipping into advertising and sales for years
<willingbitch85> Yes, anyone who is promoting the propaganda in most cases simply believes they're informing others of the correct view point
<q> and old style hypnosis before Erickson and Elman borrowed from advertising shortly after Mesmer
<Saundra> and what is the bottom line value of nlp and trance in advertising?
<willingbitch85> And the end goal of advertising is to drive actions
<ctrl-alt-me> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL_-GwbEP4g
<Saundra> or change perspectives willingbitch85?
<ctrl-alt-me> "Stop watching the news
<ctrl-alt-me> Because the news contrives to frighten you
<ctrl-alt-me> To make you feel small and alone
<ctrl-alt-me> To make you feel that your mind isn't your own"
<subm^> It seems like it is mass hypnosis being used, q    Almost seems easier that way
<q> I would say Saundra the purpose of hypnosis and NLP is to modify perception, behavior, and thinking
<q> be that an attempt to get you to be loyal to a brand
<q> or an attempt to get you to vote
<willingbitch85> I think change perspectives is probably too strong, I would say it appeals to existing perspectives that are inherent in the human mind
<q> or to get a subject to improve their life-styles
<q> either way at the end of the day hypnosis really attempts to modify cognition, hopefully in a positive way
<q> sort of willingbitch85
<q> depends on the ad
<q> the perspective towards cigarettes was that only men should smoke tobacco
<q> while PR made cigarettes become a freedom torch
<q> the perspective towards the product was changed
<subm^> i do think changing  existing perspectives  is a definite goal of many, not just in the US but throughout the world
<q> if we change enough behavior, thinking, or perceptions, eventually the culture as a whole changes
<Saundra> you think propaganda uses NLP?
<willingbitch85> Of course it picks up on moods and then directs them towards the end goal
<subm^> Sometimes modify cognition in a way consistent with  agenda's perhaps, q?
<q> I think NLP is a framework that is built specifically to modify thinking and behavior Saundra, so yes elements of NLP and hypnosis are used in almost every part of propaganda and advertising
<q> indeed even education to an extent
<q> NLP itself is an effective tool, as is hypnosis, and some misuse it
<q> (in example selling defective products)
<Saundra> nods
<q> I don't mind hypnotic copy if the product is quality
<subm^> "if we change enough behavior, thinking, or perceptions, eventually the culture as a whole changes" is précisely what I see occurring, q
<q> indeed
<q> I expect that hypnosis and elements of NLP have existed for many many years
<q> and been essential to holding societies together
<q> religions tend to share elements of cult psychology, and the use of emotional and imaginative persuasion
<subm^> It is effective in both a smaller and larger scale---actually the blocks are built and beliefs are changed.....capture the focus through events...use the pacing  and framing  and change behavior
<q> I think its been around a very very long time
<q> we just understand it better today
<subm^> step by step   block by block
<Saundra> nods
<q> indeed
<ctrl-alt-me> i think some people understood it all along, q ;)
<q> lol probably ctrl-alt-me :)
<subm^> Absolutely cam, and use it very effectively
<q> but I can't make the claim that they did ;)
<q> I think some people, in the words of a con man: "I have gotten pretty good at working a crowd of suckers."
<q> that might have been a guy who ran carnivals long ago
<q> cant remember his name
<q> I just remember his pessimistic attitude XD
<q> some people are so skilled at persuasion they can sell the Eifel tower several times :P
<Saundra> what makes someone a pessimist?
<q> its something to think about when we look at media
<q> ah
<q> probably experience Saundra
<q> unbalanced experience
<q> they pay attention to the bad aspects more than the good aspects
<Saundra> and is a sociopath a good salesman?
<q> I think we evolved to notice negatives more
<subm^> Sounds logical, q
<q> Saundra, I expect so, providing they don't steal the proceeds from their boss :P
<q> tbh most sociopaths accumulate in several fields:
<Saundra> nods they don't care if someone wastes money and is hurt maybe
<spiral_gazer> Sociopaths aren't necessarily good salesmen, but they can be
<Saundra> how so spiral?
<q> policing, leadership positions, doctors, salesmen, lawyers, CEOs, and media personalities
<q> these jobs tend to groom and attract sociopaths
<spiral_gazer> Just that it still requires them to learn how to do it
<q> well narcissistic sociopaths tend to spend most their time learning to manipulate and coerce
<q> and they are not held back by ethics or empathy
<ctrl-alt-me> i think that depends on whats being sold.. something helpful, anyone can sell well... but something that no body really wants.. youre gonna want someone who can push that thing, regardless of how the buyer feels about it...
<q> ^^
<subm^> (Will you remember please q to touch on subliminals, q, please)
<ctrl-alt-me> like.. i cant see a sociopath selling bibles... but a nun could...
<q> ops lol totally forgot that
<ctrl-alt-me> but a nun couldnt sell cigarettes
<q> well ctrl-alt-me I have seen that
<publicatgirl> What about a sociopathic nun?
<ctrl-alt-me> but a sociopath could
<q> a sociopath I have seen selling bibles
<q> and engaging in "faith healing" lol
<q> in public mr. nice
<q> not in public, not so nice
<ctrl-alt-me> publicatgirl, just hope she's not the headmistress of a catholic school :P
<publicatgirl> Some sociopaths are very nice people
<q> they can be if they want to be publicatgirl
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<q> anyway subliminal messages have not been shown to be very effective in studies
<q> when the test subjects were effected, the effect was very mild and short
<spiral_gazer> I understand that subliminal pictures are more effective than words, because you can't actually parse words that fast
<q> its actually pretty hard to persuade someone with a flashed image
<q> but there is one way we can make it effective
<q> but then its above threshold
<spiral_gazer> spirals?!
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<q> so if we have images of the product that associate it with positive drives, it is not obvious, but you cans ee it
<q> its covert
<q> but its not technically subliminal
<q> same with advertising that is shown in the background
<q> you can see it
<q> even if you don't consciously notice it
<q> those are effective
<subm^> Why are subliminals ued so often in gfs, if not effective
<q> its rarely effective on a wide section of the population
<q> and when the subject does manage to see it
<q> or perceive it
<q> it is not very long lasting
<q> or very strong
<q> part of it subm^ is that people look up techniques
<spiral_gazer> subm^: rapidly flashing images and subliminals fit the fantasy of brainwashing. They don't need to actually work for the idea to be attractive
<q> and they pile on techniques
<q> kind of like a shotgun spray
<q> some of it is bound to hit
<q> don't need to know which technique will work if you use them all lol
<ctrl-alt-me> whatabout paraliminals, q? that which is just barely percieved.. but is infact seen?
<subm^> Why  are they done below threshold if most often above threshold is more effective?
<q> I would expect those would have an effect
<q> and spiral_gazer has a great point btw
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<q> paraliminals will have more effect than a subliminal
<subm^> Thanks,, spiral_gazer
<Saundra> q, this was really great.  thank you so so much
<q> but constant saturation of product association in the background will have more effect than paraliminal I would think
<ctrl-alt-me> thats what most peple think of when they say subliminals.. but then everyone relies on the techical definition of subliminals in testing.. so... that leads to poor data. IMO
<q> yw Saundra :)
<emptymule> thanks q
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<subm^> Would someone please define a paraliminal?
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<ctrl-alt-me> i did, subm^
<ctrl-alt-me> [17:23:44] <@ctrl-alt-me> whatabout paraliminals, q? that which is just barely percieved.. but is infact seen?
<q> subm^, I think ctrl-alt-me was talking about a flashed image that can be perceived but only barely so
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<ctrl-alt-me> yes, exactly
<q> ctrl-alt-me, think of an ad you are not paying attention to on the side of your youtube bar
<q> you do see it
<Cxrh> I had advertisement In scholl back then I think it was called AIDA (Attention, Interest, Desire, Action) the first image of a advertisement is the most important, it creates the Attention, the interest follows soon after it and if both is archieved then the desire will also follow and after that the action / the buying.
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<q> even if you dont notice it consciously
<joey> hi ace_freddie{SQ} and q
<q> studies show that the exposure works
<q> hi joey
<q> so is it subliminal? I dont really think so
<joey> i missed it again  :(
<q> is it even paraliminal? not quite sure
<q> but it does work
<joey> i have been running around all day