BFett convo IRC

13:22	Fett	yo
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13:34	Talvieno	Heyaa. (:
13:34	Talvieno	Sorry, I'm a bit late as per usual, BFett. lol
13:35	BFett	not a problem
13:35	Talvieno	What's up?
13:36	Cha0zz	ola
13:36	Cha0zz	all hail Tal Vien No!
13:37	BFett	I haven't had feedback on the ship memory picture I made yesterday
13:37	Talvieno	Lol XD Heyaa, Cha0zz. =P
13:37	Talvieno	BFett, I must've missed it.
13:37	Cha0zz	ship memory picture BFett ?
13:37	BFett	yeah, I only linked it here I'll link it again
13:39	BFett	Mandalorian
13:39	BFett	lol
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13:40	BFett	I was just looking for feedback on it
13:40	Talvieno	It looks fairly fixed...
13:40	BFett	whether or not it was accurate to the idea that Cornflakes was suggesting
13:41	Talvieno	I suppose that would make it a lot easier to write a mod, but.
13:41	BFett	the AV can still move around and such
13:42	BFett	the programs fluctuate in size
13:42	Talvieno	The idea Cornflakes was suggesting was that all programs just floated around in the ship's memory loosely, and could deform to take whatever shape they needed, so AV an viruses could flow about between them, and you could hook/unhook components.
13:42	Talvieno	Which is more gamey, I suppose.
13:42	BFett	based on which is being used...
13:42	Talvieno	*AV and
13:42	Talvieno	I really don't like this keyboard.
13:43	Talvieno	It [would] make it a lot easier to understand what's going on, though... your version, I mean...
13:43	BFett	hook unhook?  Well I think in a editor mode that would be possible
13:44	Talvieno	Your version gives me an idea...
13:45	Talvieno	What if we could write supersimplified scripts in the form of if>then statements?
13:45	Talvieno	"If [X] < [Y] then [Z]"
13:45	BFett	For the virus?
13:45	Talvieno	If [shields] < [20%], [reroute more power to shields]"
13:46	Talvieno	More automation.
13:46	Talvieno	No, for the player, to give more value to the computer.
13:46	BFett	ok, how does this relate to the ship memory profile
13:46	Talvieno	It doesn't, it was just a random idea I got by seeing how you hooked shields with sensors.
13:47	Talvieno	(which otherwise doesn't make much sense to me)
13:47	Talvieno	same with the propulsion and communication.
13:47	BFett	It's a good idea
13:47	BFett	I did it because they are systems that you don't want hacked
13:47	BFett	hence the fat firewall
13:48	Talvieno	*nods* "If [IFF.Foe.count] > [0] then [raise shields]" could be another script...
13:48	Talvieno	So, curious, what advantages does this have over the shiny thing I made?
13:49	Talvieno	the over-graphicalizationistic one.
13:49	BFett	1) the firewall is restricted to be behind a port
13:50	Talvieno	Well, with mine, I did assume there were ports... I just didn't draw any.
13:50	BFett	2) firewalls can vary in thickness based on priority
13:50	Talvieno	mine works the same way, but with mods rather than physical thickness.
13:50	Talvieno	i should've drawn ports. :\ lol
13:51	BFett	yeah, the firewall all around the memory was a bit confusing to me
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13:51	BFett	It works in theory... but in practice you only need it behind each port
13:51	Talvieno	It's to keep viruses from "bypassing it" by going around.
13:51	Talvieno	In my version, everything deforms.
13:52	Talvieno	An incoming virus would push things backwards to make room for itself, and could then go around til it found a gap in the firewall.
13:52	Talvieno	if the firewall is just a bar, that's pretty easy to do.
13:53	Talvieno	In your version viruses seem to travel on fixed "paths".
13:53	BFett	yeah
13:53	Talvieno	i.e. they must defeat program A to reach program B.
13:53	BFett	yep, that's how I envisioned it
13:53	Talvieno	it would make it a lot easier for AV to detect viruses too.
13:53	Talvieno	it'd be obvious where they were.
13:54	Talvieno	No flanking maneuvers or stealth.
13:54	Talvieno	(Not trying to shoot your idea down, trying to get a good debate going)
13:54	BFett	I thought about connecting all the systems together inside the memory but decided against it
13:55	Talvieno	*nods* Fair enough. What was the reason?
13:55	BFett	(I know   that's what I want)
13:57	Talvieno	Why did you decide against it?
13:57	BFett	just space and ease of seeing things... also I thought about security, how some items are separate from each other  on a computer.  Like the difference between an admin account and a normal user
13:57	BFett	They are on the same system yet separate
13:57	Talvieno	*nods* I guess so... it'll make virus warfare a lot more difficult, though. It'll be harder for an enemy to hack your ship, but harder for you to hack anyone else's, too, wouldn't it be?
13:58	BFett	yep
13:58	Talvieno	From what I see, you could say "nothing is connected to the comms except comms".
13:58	Talvieno	So hacking would be futile.
13:58	Talvieno	Why would you want to hack someone's comms?
13:58	BFett	You'd have to know what you wanted to attack first.
13:59	Talvieno	Let's say I wanted to attack shields to lower the enemy's shields.
13:59	Talvieno	In your diagram, it looks like I wouldn't be able to get to the shields at all.
13:59	Talvieno	The port for shields wouldn't be connected to the comms, obviously.
13:59	BFett	Hacking comms could be similar to jamming transmissions
13:59	Talvieno	:\
14:00	Talvieno	like...
14:01	BFett	You couldn't attack shields through the comms port
14:01	Talvieno	broadcasting interference to make it so they couldn't receive anything?
14:01	BFett	that is correct
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14:01	Talvieno	so... there would be no way for me to make the enemy's ship fly into an asteroid, then?
14:01	BFett	or ask for help
14:01	Talvieno	that's not really hacking...
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14:02	Talvieno	It makes it safer, but it eliminates the need for e-warfare.
14:02	Talvieno	Heyaa, Katawa. (:
14:02	BFett	Hack propulsion then you can crash them into an asteroid
14:03	Talvieno	I figured you'd just mod a virus to tell it what to attack.
14:03	BFett	Hacking comms wouldn't likely be that common.... Josh had it on his diagram so I added it
14:03	Talvieno	You'd have to do it in your system, too.
14:04	BFett	correct
14:04	BFett	Virus programming is a different screen
14:04	Talvieno	I figured that, yeah...
14:04	Katawa	:3
14:05	Talvieno	*waves at Katawa*
14:05	Katawa	y'all excited
14:05	Talvieno	Excited?
14:06	BFett	I am!  I had a dream that Josh made a youtube video about finishing the LT UI!
14:06	BFett	I woke up before I got to see it though
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14:08	Cornflakes	boop
14:08	BFett	Hello Cornflakes
14:08	Cornflakes	heyhey
14:08	Cornflakes	anything interesting going on?
14:09	BFett	Talvieno and I are talking about the diagram I made yesterday
14:09	Cornflakes	ah
14:09	TGS	lol BFett finishing the LT UI? You mean the thing that should have been finished a long time ago?
14:09	Talvieno	I'm not sold on BFett's version.
14:09	Cornflakes	its for pieces that dont exist yet
14:09	Talvieno	Quick explanation:
14:10	Talvieno	In our version, Cornflakes, viruses can go wherever they want, right? Split up, flank, go invisible, etc.
14:10	TGS	I really hope there isn't any "programming" in the game.
14:10	Talvieno	This isn't programming, TGS.
14:10	Cornflakes	(can anyone shoot me a pastebin of the discussion until now?)
14:10	Talvieno	This is just for virus warfare. =P
14:10	Talvieno	Sure, Cornflakes.
14:10	Cornflakes	its just /called/ programming