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  1. 00:13 urMuslimneighbor back
  2. 00:13 urMuslimneighbor islam means submission and someone who submits to the will of The Creator = muslim by def
  3. 00:13 urMuslimneighbor so if Moses submitted to the will of GOD
  4. 00:13 urMuslimneighbor by def he would be considered a muslim (in arabic)
  5. 00:13 urMuslimneighbor therefore islam did not originate with prophet muhammad salAllahu alahi wasalam
  6. 00:14 urMuslimneighbor for the religion of GOD was always there
  7. 00:14 urMuslimneighbor as far as "orthodoxy" is concerned
  8. 00:14 urMuslimneighbor Adam, Noah, Abraham etc etc even Jesus himself
  9. 00:14 barabbas` urMuslimneighbor Yet it was Gods will to send his son to save the world, yet Islam doesn't submit to him.
  10. 00:14 urMuslimneighbor all were muslms
  11. 00:14 urMuslimneighbor that was their religion
  12. 00:15 urMuslimneighbor 1 religion 1 creator
  13. 00:15 urMuslimneighbor sry barabbas but i do not intend to speak to you
  14. 00:15 urMuslimneighbor to avoid devoice
  15. 00:15 urMuslimneighbor plz do not address me thank you
  16. 00:15 urMuslimneighbor and ill try to do the same
  17. 00:15 Sardaukar god bless
  18. 00:16 barabbas` islam didn't exist until the 7th century. Islam isn't mentioned in the Old testament nor the New Testament, nor any other religious work before the 7th century. So, what you are saying is Muhammad stole the concept and perverted it.
  19. 00:16 ac1d4a1n the religion didn't exist
  20. 00:16 Didache urMuslimneighbor you have that right unless it is channel business but please bge respectful
  21. 00:16 ac1d4a1n until muhammad
  22. 00:16 barabbas` urMuslimneighbor You can ignore me all you like, but I will respond to the false teaching you are putting into the channel.
  23. 00:16 urMuslimneighbor i havent shown barabbas disrespect
  24. 00:16 Octavian barabbas`: Please contain yourself. He is not saying that, you are. I fully agree that Mohammad most likely did that. However, it is simply false to put those words into the mouth of urMuslimneighbor.
  25. 00:17 urMuslimneighbor what i have said is based on a pattern speaking to barabbas
  26. 00:17 Didache urMuslimneighbor I never said you did but I was just clarifying things
  27. 00:17 urMuslimneighbor sure np thats understable
  28. 00:18 urMuslimneighbor i tend to follow the rules of the channel
  29. 00:18 --- QRT has unbanned *!*@ec2-54-84-174-95.compute-1.amazonaws.com
  30. 00:18 --- QRT has unbanned *ragle!*@*
  31. 00:18 --- AppleGirl has banned *!*@ec2-54-84-174-95.compute-1.amazonaws.com
  32. 00:18 --- AppleGirl has banned *ragle!*@*
  33. 00:18 urMuslimneighbor abcd, okay tell me which religion did Abraham followed?
  34. 00:18 urMuslimneighbor according to your bible?
  35. 00:18 ac1d4a1n islam is very new
  36. 00:18 urMuslimneighbor (his religion isnt even mentioned)
  37. 00:18 barabbas` urMuslimneighbor The channel is a debate channel. When you don't answer questions to clarify your position and continue to pontificate on Islam, you are NOT being respectful to the purpose of the channel.
  38. 00:18 urMuslimneighbor ac1d, fine to you it mite be
  39. 00:19 ac1d4a1n and previous to islam they didn't worship the god named allah
  40. 00:19 --- AppleGirl has unbanned *!*@.20-3.cable.virginm.net
  41. 00:19 --- QRT has unbanned *!*@.20-3.cable.virginm.net
  42. 00:19 --- BibleBot has banned *!*@.20-3.cable.virginm.net
  43. 00:19 urMuslimneighbor ac1d, lets deal with prophet abraham than
  44. 00:19 urMuslimneighbor leave islam for a sec
  45. 00:19 urMuslimneighbor lets talk about abraham
  46. 00:19 ac1d4a1n abraham worshipped a diff god too
  47. 00:19 urMuslimneighbor i agree u believe islam didnt exist prior to 7th century
  48. 00:19 ac1d4a1n diff name in genesis
  49. 00:19 Octavian urMuslimneighbor: if you type ac1 and then hit tab, your IRC client will probably autocomplete the nick for you so that you can correctly address ac1d4a1n.
  50. 00:19 urMuslimneighbor ac1d4a1n, simple question: which religion did abraham follow?
  51. 00:20 barabbas` We know Islam didn't exist before the 7th century, any good history book will tell you that.
  52. 00:20 urMuslimneighbor octavian, lol thanks i am using dal.net
  53. 00:20 ac1d4a1n it would have been prehistory
  54. 00:20 urMuslimneighbor www.dal.net
  55. 00:20 ac1d4a1n wait
  56. 00:20 Didache urMuslimneighbor Abraham followed the Worship of Yahweh
  57. 00:20 FrSam ac1d4a1n: "Allah" is the Arabic name for God -- Arabic-speaking Christians use it
  58. 00:20 ac1d4a1n abraham was egyptian right?
  59. 00:20 urMuslimneighbor which religion did abraham follow
  60. 00:20 Octavian Abraham was not egyptian o_O
  61. 00:20 urMuslimneighbor wow @ frsam
  62. 00:21 urMuslimneighbor frsam, usually christians have a hard time admitting or seeing that
  63. 00:21 urMuslimneighbor i applaud you for your research
  64. 00:21 Octavian Abraham is a mythological figure, for starters.
  65. 00:21 Octavian He didn't follow any religion in actuality.
  66. 00:21 Didache urMuslimneighbor Islam did not follow the worship of Yahweh
  67. 00:21 barabbas` Abraham was the originator of the Hebrew people and Judaism.
  68. 00:21 ac1d4a1n well in the bible the names are diff
  69. 00:21 urMuslimneighbor ac1d4a1n, do u adhere to a bible?
  70. 00:21 ac1d4a1n and in the quran it just states allah
  71. 00:21 ac1d4a1n NOT god
  72. 00:21 Didache Octavian he was not a mythological person. That is absolutelky false
  73. 00:22 Octavian However, according to the stories about him in the Torah, I believe the correct answer is at some point in his life he began practicing a form of proto-judaism.
  74. 00:22 FrSam agrees withh Octavian about Abraham
  75. 00:22 Octavian Didache: Your disagreement is noted, but unless you have some evidence to the contrary your arguments are not going to persuade me.
  76. 00:22 Didache Octavian jUDAISM COMMENCED AFTER aBRAHAM
  77. 00:22 ac1d4a1n if they believed there was only one god
  78. 00:23 ac1d4a1n and its name was whatever, then whatever means god
  79. 00:23 urMuslimneighbor did abraham submit to the will of The Creator? the answer is yes
  80. 00:23 Octavian As we are not going to come to an agreement on this, Didache, I suppose that we move past it?
  81. 00:23 urMuslimneighbor in arabic how would you describe this concept? answer is "muslim"
  82. 00:23 Octavian *propose
  83. 00:23 barabbas` That doesn't make him a Muslim
  84. 00:23 Didache ac1d4a1n and that statement is false
  85. 00:23 Octavian according to urMuslimneighbor's worldview, it does.
  86. 00:23 urMuslimneighbor what religion does a "muslim" follow? answer is islam...what does islam mean in arabic = submission to The Creator
  87. 00:23 ac1d4a1n most likely muslim comes zoroastrian and persian
  88. 00:24 Didache Octavian you are pushing a falsehood... and you will be told
  89. 00:24 Octavian barabbas`: much like your own worldview is that accepting the creeds is the litmus test for being a christian.
  90. 00:24 barabbas` urMuslimneighbor Circular reasoning isn't going to save your argument.
  91. 00:24 ac1d4a1n then we shall have to agree to disagree Didache
  92. 00:24 urMuslimneighbor put its undrstandable octavian would take the disposition abraham is a legend
  93. 00:24 barabbas` Octavian Non sequitur.
  94. 00:24 Didache Octavian if you don't know your subject properly then I suggest you exit thew dewbate
  95. 00:24 urMuslimneighbor or mythical figure
  96. 00:24 urMuslimneighbor but its understandable*
  97. 00:25 urMuslimneighbor if i was an atheist
  98. 00:25 urMuslimneighbor i would take the same disposition
  99. 00:25 *** Sardaukar quit (Ping timeout)
  100. 00:25 urMuslimneighbor or perhaps even an agnostic
  101. 00:25 barabbas` urMuslimneighbor There are many false prophets who claim to submit to the creator, but in reality they are submitting to the great deciever. Jesus warned us about them.
  102. 00:26 Octavian Didache: I stated my position, and you stated your position. If you want to put forth an argument to change my position, you are welcome to do so, and I will hear you out. If not, then I am going to move on since otherwise we are at the impasse of repeating our disagreement. For what it's worth, I respect your position despite my disagreement and hope that
  103. 00:26 *** Sardaukar joined #christiandebate
  104. 00:26 Octavian Didache: you will afford me the same common courtesy.
  105. 00:26 +++ BibleBot has given voice to Sardaukar
  106. 00:26 ac1d4a1n i would find it hard to accept that god could be soo bad at creating religions
  107. 00:26 ac1d4a1n being them all failing
  108. 00:26 urMuslimneighbor when it comes to historical figures, finding tangible evidence can be difficult
  109. 00:27 urMuslimneighbor most of history is relied upon testimony and documentations if any exist
  110. 00:27 FrSam Difficult to impossible
  111. 00:27 urMuslimneighbor when it comes to personalities
  112. 00:27 Didache Octavian firstly, this is a christian debater channel, secondly the weight of evidence is agaionst you.. you cannot support your position it is mnerelyt your opinion and opinions don't count
  113. 00:27 barabbas` Octavian The difference between using the creeds to define a Christian and urMuslimneighbor is that the creeds started the process. Islam used a term to retrofit back to Abraham and then make a claim from it. The term Islam DIDN"T exist before the 7th century.
  114. 00:27 Octavian Didache: As it stands neither of us has 'supported' their position.
  115. 00:28 ac1d4a1n for one all the immature attributes associated with some all powerful super creator
  116. 00:28 SirOsOriS to all the athiests.. can God exist if the bible does not?
  117. 00:28 Didache Octavian I don't need to support my position.. it is proven by history yours isn't
  118. 00:28 FrSam Didache supports his arguments with the "kick" command
  119. 00:28 urMuslimneighbor good question @ sir
  120. 00:28 SirOsOriS to all the agnostics i mean.. can God exist if the bible does not?
  121. 00:28 urMuslimneighbor sir, ot that atheists usually say, which god
  122. 00:28 +++ Didache has taken voice from FrSam
  123. 00:29 urMuslimneighbor sir, and they will not allow the possibility of The Creator instead they will remain in the paradox of multiple gods
  124. 00:29 Octavian Didache: The claim that the literal existence of Abraham is "proven by history" has absolutely no weight, to me, until such time as you cite sources and make an argument in it's favor.
  125. 00:30 urMuslimneighbor its more convenient to argue multiple gods
  126. 00:30 Didache Octavian move on
  127. 00:30 Octavian Happily, considering that I asked to move on several minutes ago.
  128. 00:30 urMuslimneighbor octavian, depends what u are looking for if u are looking for physical evidence
  129. 00:30 urMuslimneighbor than i must agree (perhaps there is none)
  130. 00:31 --- Didache has banned *!*@216.16.25.104
  131. 00:31 *** Octavian was kicked by Didache (Didache)
  132. 00:31 !!! You have been kicked from #ChristianDebate
  133.  
  134. PMs afterwards:
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  136. 00:32 Octavian What justification do you possibly have for banning me over that?
  137. 00:33 Octavian I politely asked to move on, I respected your position, and then when you ordered me to move on after relentlessly badgering me over the subject, I pointed out that I would gladly move on as I had *already* expressed a desire to do so.
  138. 00:38 Octavian At least I have the moral highground of not banning someone for disagreeing with me and/or not bending the knee before me.
  139. 00:38 Octavian Good evening. -_-
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