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[1:55 PM] raven: Man I'm in white trash bel air
[1:55 PM] raven: With a KKK chapter
[1:55 PM] raven: Where I grew up
[1:55 PM] raven: Saw a dude playing his GBASP
[1:56 PM] raven: Yeah I haven't seen those in a while
[1:56 PM] raven: And they have Fox News on
[1:56 PM] Refa: lol
[1:57 PM] raven: I'm changing the channel
[1:57 PM] raven: In tempted to put on logo
[1:59 PM] raven: American dad
[1:59 PM] raven: Good!
[1:59 PM] raven: Making fun of those fuckers
[2:02 PM] raven: https://i.imgur.com/qydAdxm.jpg

[2:03 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: I actually watch Fox News on the once in a blue moon occassion I watch the news
[2:05 PM] raven: Ironically or nah?
[2:06 PM] raven: Because they were literally just denying global warming
[2:06 PM] raven: When I had it on
[2:09 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: I actually do, and considering I don't think Global Warming is a thing. At the very least, if it is, it isn't a problem for me since even the scientists that think it's real say it won't be a problem for 300 years or some shit I guess ironically.
[2:16 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: Granted, I tend to lean towards the right leaning side of the polictical spectrum, so feel free to take what I say as bigoted nonsense, I know the majority of the internet does anyway
[2:16 PM] raven: It is a problem now and our life time
[2:16 PM] raven: And global warming deniers are science deniers
[2:16 PM] raven: You're literally denying a scientific fact
[2:17 PM] raven: If I'm recalling right the coasts get flooded and inhabitable if we increase our world temperature by a fraction of s degree and that's basic thermal expansion of water
[2:17 PM] raven: That's not counting the fact that the rising sea level completely changes our weather patterns
[2:18 PM] raven: And there is a lot of empirical evidence behind this
[2:18 PM] raven: The only issue is a long term model but all of the short term models have been satisfied if I'm recalling right
[2:19 PM] raven: And those that say it won't be an issue for 300 years are idiots, it's definitely an issue to resolve in our lifetime and we should not jeopardize future generations because we want to use shitty cars
[2:19 PM] raven: It's all corporations anyway
[2:19 PM] raven: I'm extremely left leaning btw but global warming is one of those things that's fact
[2:20 PM] raven: Like everything else is an opinion but this is objectively fact
[2:20 PM] raven: There should be zero viewpoints on this aside from how to fix the issue
[2:20 PM] raven: Or mitigate it
[2:21 PM] raven: As opposed to its existence
[2:25 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: I dissagree that's it's a fact from the simple standpoint of well, this

The big planet threatning issue changes all the damn time, and honestly, I look at various historical stuff like this, as well as many conflicting reports on this issue, and I just have a hard time believing it exists. There's a reason the supposed name for this changed to Climate Change, and it's also the reason I have a hard time believing it's legitimate

[2:26 PM] raven: You're using time magazine as an argument and not scientific literature?
[2:26 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: I'm using them as an arguement that's it's a polictical issue dude
[2:27 PM] raven: It's not a political issue
[2:27 PM] raven: It was turned into a political issue by idiots
[2:27 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: EVERYTHING in America is a polictical issue these days
[2:27 PM] raven: On top of that - scientific articles in news magazines and papers are extremely sensationalized
[2:27 PM] raven: Did you read the articles beyond the headlines? What about their sources?
[2:27 PM] raven: Two headlines is not an argument
[2:29 PM] raven: I've literally just explained the most basic physics concept - thermal expansion
[2:29 PM] raven: Which is ages old
[2:29 PM] raven: It's the reason your sidewalks crack bruh
[2:29 PM] raven: In the summer
[2:30 PM] raven: And this leads to rising sea levels by itself not counting the ice outside of water that falls in
[2:30 PM] raven: And this also will cause natural disasters because things are closer into the coast. Look at coastal weather and multiply that tenfold because of increased humidity
[2:30 PM] raven: And heat
[2:30 PM] raven: Like Florida and New Orleans
[2:31 PM] raven: They get some crazy ass weather
[2:31 PM] raven: And again this is all fundamental physics and observation which you learn in high school
[2:31 PM] raven: This also happens to match with observations
[2:31 PM] raven: Read the scientific literature, not a headline
[2:32 PM] raven: The political part is how to mitigate the effects
[2:32 PM] raven: Or it should be
[2:34 PM] raven: Also t was changed to climate change because global warming is misleading in a way
[2:34 PM] raven: To the general populace
[2:34 PM] raven: The cause of climate change is the literal warming of the earth
[2:34 PM] raven: Global warming is the cause climate change is the effect
[2:43 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: And, yet, I live in Alafrickenbama, and we're in the middle of a drought. I do read scientific literature, and the fact is, global warming is still considered just a theroy. Theroies aren't always accurate, sure, one can believe it just as much as one can choose to believe in the theroies of evolution or contieneital drift. The fact remains that while plenty of peole wholeheartedly believe these things, they are still just theroies and are not 100% accepted truths even in the scientific community. I choose not to believe Global Warming is real, because where I live has experienced significantly colder winters in the last 5 years, and yet we've also had dryer and hotter summers, call it Climate Change if you want, I call it weather being unpredictable.
[2:44 PM] raven: Theory is scientific truth
[2:44 PM] raven: Don't spring that argument on me
[2:44 PM] raven: Global warming leads to colder winters
[2:44 PM] raven: That's part of the theory
[2:44 PM] raven: Because more humidity in the winter (which results from rising sea levels) leads to colder weather
[2:45 PM] raven: What scientific literature did you read and how did you argue against it? You basically just said "I'm choosing to be willfully ignorant"
[2:45 PM] raven: And I have literally just explained how global warming and climate change are just names and why those names exist and you chose to ignore it
[2:49 PM] raven: The people who do not believe this things happen to not be scientists
[2:49 PM] raven: I would like to point out
[2:50 PM] raven: Global warming is also objectively true the part people disagree on is whether or not humans are the cause of it
[2:51 PM] raven: And even then 97% of scientists agree people are the cause based on surveys
[2:53 PM] raven: Also I'm from Maryland and growing up our weather has gone from kind of crazy to completely insane
[2:53 PM] raven: In a span of 23 years
[2:54 PM] raven: Like we just had a flood in Ellicott city that happens like once in a millennium
[2:54 PM] raven: And we get snow in May and then 105 degree weather in June
[2:54 PM] raven: Keeping in mind I live on a coast where the effects are crazier and there more pronounced
[2:55 PM] raven: Therefore*
[2:57 PM] raven: Also my bad with the 97%, the 97% figure refers to climate scientists who have said warming is caused by human behavior
[2:57 PM] raven: Not 97% of scientists
[3:00 PM] Comet7: faux news
[3:02 PM] raven: @essarcie did you see the home alone speed run
[3:07 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: Dude, the definition of theory is literally something, that while generally seen as correct, is not a 100% truth

I'm leaveing several articles I read to reach my conclusions, some feeling accurate, others the literal definition of insanity

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/global-cooling-global-warming-which-is-it/

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_globalwarmingpseudo54.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel_M%C3%B6rner

http://www.naturalnews.com/027685_CO2_emissions_EPA.html

http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/#73b1241369bb

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling-intermediate.htm

http://climateconferences.heartland.org/nils-axel-morner/

Granted, I tried to cover both angles with my reading, as I do with all things, and some of the things I linked are the sources of some the sites, as I felt they were worth while, even if one's a Wikipedia article which is a site I don't trust. The fact is, NO ONE is in 100% agreement on if this even exists or not
[3:08 PM] raven: I'm not reading all that shit but your sources are awful
[3:08 PM] raven: Forbes? Really?
[3:08 PM] raven: If you want to contradict global warming you need to get legitimate scientific literature
[3:08 PM] raven: Like the papers
[3:08 PM] raven: And show that all their data and conclusions are bullshit
[3:08 PM] raven: Forbes is unable to do that
[3:09 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: I literally said some the sources were insane, dude. At least read my fucking introduction to the text
[3:09 PM] raven: Skeptical science is unable to do that
[3:09 PM] raven: Then why link them?
[3:09 PM] raven: And hold on
[3:10 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: Because I wanted to link EVERYTHING I read to cover all of my bases
[3:10 PM] raven: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory?wprov=sfsi1
[3:10 PM] Comet7: there is a difference between scientific theory and theory in everyday talk. it's like saying face in math and face when refetring to the body.
[3:10 PM] raven: That should explain a theory
[3:10 PM] raven: It's a conglomeration of evidence to produce an explanation of physical phenomena
[3:11 PM] raven: And it's 100% correct in its jurisdiction
[3:11 PM] raven: That's a scientific theory
[3:11 PM] raven: @Comet7 is correct pretty much
[3:11 PM] Trump's Final Form: Hi friends 😄
[3:11 PM] Comet7: LOL
[3:11 PM] raven: If it weren't correct in its jurisdiction then it would not be a scientific theory
[3:12 PM] Trump's Final Form: Are we talking about the "theory" that Fire Emblem is the best series? 'Cause I'd argue that's a law.
[3:12 PM] raven: Believe me?
[3:13 PM] raven: This is the shittiest trump impression didn't even say believe me
[3:13 PM] Comet7: nah it's say it's a hypothesis
[3:13 PM] Comet7: @Trump's Final Form
[3:13 PM] raven: Like that sounds like a nerd not Donald trump also your profile picture is freaky
[3:14 PM] Comet7: raven can you tell me why it takes less time for colder water to start boiling than warmer water
[3:14 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: Dude, Evolution is a scientific theory, and there's a great deal of people, scientists included, who don't believe that
[3:14 PM] raven: I have no idea how that works
[3:15 PM] raven: If a scientist doesn't believe in evolution they're a shitty scientist
[3:15 PM] raven: I will point that out now
[3:15 PM] raven: Because they deny a scientific theory
[3:16 PM] raven: If evolution were a hypothesis then sure but it has made the leap to scientific theory
[3:16 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: Evolution is bullshit
[3:16 PM] raven: I am in grad school for a PhD in physics and I have gone through some shit about HOW the literature is published
[3:16 PM] raven: And the literature goes through shitloads of scrutiny before it can be published
[3:17 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: No one will EVER convince me otherwise
[3:17 PM] raven: Because it's pretty obvious you let your opinions get in the way of the fact
[3:17 PM] Comet7: Did you know that we have gills and a tail as a fetus early on?
[3:17 PM] raven: What makes evolution bullshit? Because humans don't evolve from monkeys? Because that's not what evolution is saying
[3:17 PM] raven: Actually
[3:17 PM] raven: You know what
[3:18 PM] raven: @Comet7
[3:18 PM] raven: > Because it's pretty obvious you let your opinions get in the way of the fact
[3:18 PM] raven: It's not worth it
[3:18 PM] Comet7: yeah i know
[3:18 PM] Trump's Final Form: My counter arguement is that it's not a hypothesis because it's been tested. Sure, quite a few of the games prior to Awakening weren't so good and Awakening pretty much saved and defined the series but that's just the thing. Awakening made FE great again.
[3:18 PM] raven: Yo who are you lol
[3:18 PM] raven: Err
[3:19 PM] raven: I didn't want to quote that
[3:19 PM] raven: It was the
[3:19 PM] raven: No one will convince me otherwise
[3:20 PM] Comet7: well, gravity is a theory after all...
[3:21 PM] Trump's Final Form: I disagree with the common perspective.
[3:22 PM] raven: @Comet7 there's a committee on science and technology
[3:22 PM] MCPro/The Man Who Sold The World: No, I do my research before deciding my opinion. I just happened to decide after research combined with common sense evolvolution is bullshit

Simple, if humans evolved to this level of intelligence, then why the hell has no other species done so and why aren't we able to see at least ONE species of the millions on this planet evolve. I understand why we aren't definitely evolving, but with the sheer amount of life here, you can not tell me we wouldn't have records of at least one species evolveing in all the time that humanity has been documenting things
[3:23 PM] raven: You need to educate yourself with something beyond a few internet articles
[3:23 PM] raven: Plus we see shit evolve
[3:23 PM] raven: Learn about how antibiotics work and why they change up and why you need to take all your doses daily
[3:24 PM] raven: On top of that its a slow process but there's a lot of shit leftover from a common ancestor
[3:24 PM] raven: On top of that dolphins are intelligent bruh
[3:24 PM] raven: They're also mammals
[3:24 PM] raven: Basically you've been reading the wrong shit lol