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Anon 09/16/2019 (Mon) 22:54:20 [Preview] No.4616 [X] del
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>it seems ridiculous that a group of ponies who are preforming in what one would think is a very high honor would suddenly think its beneath them
we could have got an interesting plot entirely dedicated to it or even gen 5 could set up some plot devices because of this. Either way, you are right that they have changed their opinions too soon, especially Fire Flare

>Such a path of criticism isn't unfair all the time but to try to hold this show to a real world logical standard can be unfair based on the limits of it's medium as a 22 minute show that was originally meant to sell toys
this shows how twisted the concept of combining three races of ponies living in a happy pinkish world could become so fucked up and become a tool of pure elitism and to its very extreme, outright racism of feeling superior towards what surround them,even if it leads to a greater purpose

I´ve had the feeling that writers could have lurked on /mlp/ about the UNICORN MASTER RACE! threads and became a reality into their own world. There are lots of ways to be meta towards the fandom but for sure, I would have to clean my eyes if this conflict was set up towards the fandom´s logic about the three races.

>Imagine some anon saying: "it makes no sense how quickly these ponies act in such a blind heard mentality in NuMLP, they should go back to simpler times! Sweet and Elite was comfy" in the same breath.
oh don´t worry, they have already done that. I´ve lost my count about how a couple of vocal shitposters complained about this show not feeling like season 1 and/or season 2 before A Canterlot Wedding.

>Truth is, we have seen this dynamic before plenty of times, especially within the elite and upper class.
eeeyup, but never in such a harsh/direct point of conflict (among other ones) and putting it on practice. It makes you feel that ponies are as equally easy to manipulate as humans.

>You can still muster an argument against it in the form that within the show's universe preforming for the princesses would probably be the highest honor and the social hierarchy that is at play with them has the princess atop it.
sorry for justifying this with a real world logic but that implication only works for those who have signed their absolute royalty towards the country.This means that the military forces and those who are under oath will stand towards their superior ones instead of getting convinced for such an elitist idea of that kind. The rest could become traitors at any moment if they personally feel like abandoning their previous convictions.

>The others I think can get by with the excuse of the fact the based on the dialog with Crissy in disguise when she said they have no room for anypony else that it seems that the others are voluntary/second job over a full term career path.
fair enough, they are there for voluntary reasons but considering that they are seen such as background ponies, they mean nothing in comparison to the voice that speaks in the show.

>if we go by the show's logic more than likely Fire Flare special talent has something to do with performance since she is the one leading it and it still seems a bit much for the pony whose special talent and career maybe based on performance and art swayed against what her special talent is.
you know that performances could be used for taking the power right? Just because she doesn´t have an implied cutie mark for gore stuff, it doesn´t mean that she could use performances for another leader whose such ideas could sound convincing to her.

>I didn't even get into how from a storytelling perspective with their 22 minute runtime how they have to have things be simple and quick at the expense of real world logic just to let the plot move along and so the kids can understand the message
it did surprise me how they have implemented this topic for this format, but if that wasn´t enough, causing a conflict about it in such a short span of time.

However, this is the show that has produced the Cutie Map...


Anon 09/16/2019 (Mon) 23:02:50 [Preview] No.4617 [X] del
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>>4595
>I wanted to note is that the animation and art in this episode at times seemed a few steps above par.
I noticed that with the illumination and the shadows.

>It isn't the coolest but it felt like some little minor flares and touches were put when there didn't need to be. Like with the weather or fireworks just seemed to be a little bit better done than your standard episode.
you have posted a little clip that in fact, stand above the rest.

Still, no episode has seen such a big increase of quality in its animation like Princess Twilight Sparkle. That premiere still takes the crown about this aspect.

Either way, it feels nice that the backgrounds have had that big amount of detail since long ago. This praise could go for any episode but I think that it´s the right time to point out and admire their work for delivering more quality than this franchise deserved before this generation.


Anon 09/16/2019 (Mon) 23:40:45 [Preview] No.4618 [X] del
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>Some of which probably won't be answered (who built it? Was it just made for Celestia and Luna?) and others that I'd think I will know by the end.
considering the surprises that this episode has delivered and the direction of this season, I lean towards the latter.

>Are they going to have Twilight take over lifting the sun and the moon too?
she already did that......in the season 4 finale (without taking over of course)

>It'd be interesting if they did completely walk away from their cutie marks related jobs in terms of the lore of the show and how much it plays into everypony's life purpose
a down to earth life that sounds pretty interesting. I guess that the only canon thing that we are going to get is Between Dusk and Dawn. Celestia could probably become a teacher and Luna a mentor for the children,I suppose.

>This became something I basically regarded as cannon when Magical Mystery Cure came out but I haven't reexamined in years.
yeah even though I personally don´t take that episode all that seriously because of its musical nature and its rushed production. It´s canon sure but I don´t really feel like taking it that seriously. A Royal Problem did this as well and The Cutie Pox exaggerated it to such an overblown way that...well, Cutie Marks by themselves cause flexible plot devices that even some of them could lead to contradictory conclusions.

>Rainbow Dash is a magic user.
>we've seen her using magic actively over passively and it's something that I need to go back and study over and see if their is any consistency with (other the obvious weather related stuff) or anything interesting that can be guessed on pegasus magic with RD and few more exotic we've seen other pegasi do more than fly and walk on clouds.
I suppose that´s the specialty that comes from her cutie mark. Keep in mind that all the ponies have magic (or magical energy) inside and the biggest justification that I have to back this up is Tirek. He sucks up and drains all the energy coming from their bodies so I suppose that´s why the three races gain their abilities (this leaves a grey area if flying could be seen as a magical or a technical feature for the pegasi though). Also, friendship is magic....this sounds redundant but considering what Rainbow Dash has had to go through, it´s no wonder that her character development has made her also more skilled at facing the problems that come from the weather.


Anon 09/17/2019 (Tue) 00:04:22 [Preview] No.4619 [X] del >>5311>>5312
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>Is he eating anything important or is that a cookie?
eh, he is fine. If he didn´t do anything chaotic during all the episode, I don´t believe the way that he closed the episode affects in any sort of form.

>It's kinda funny that it was actually somewhat effective. Not in stopping them but in the fact that they actually had to think around it. They actually seemed intimidated by the fans. Was Shining right all along?
well, at least they have become more competent and sophisticated. About freaking time that the fans even made Tirek to give up with the plan for a second. About Shining´s choice, I think that he still remembers his "unique" wedding.

>when Queen Chrysalis shape shifts into a royal guard she also has a full suit of armor and a badge? Got me thinking: did she turn part of her essence into those objects or did she just conjure it up along with her disguise. The rational explanation is the latter but I could see it being the former.
I guess changeling go with the full pack of the disguise. It is indeed weird (and somewhat chaotic to think about) that the objects can become a separate thing from the disguises they copy. This could break the laws of creating and destroying matter in a small scale.

>Spike was reading a certain comic again.
imagine thinking that the show would leave it right here...

>I wonder if this is the last will see of the Villian team before the end.
unless The Last Problem involves them for the plot, it is the last time before the finale.

>if they don't then I will be moderately disappointed that they didn't have a bit more of a presence this season.
prepare yourself for that...just in case.

>I think I understand what they are trying to do as in it's Rarity from a slight angle so they don't show the default side view of the head. Well at least their not with do this season but in other seasons Rarity would have just gone back to a side view default. It's the higher budget thing to try to show different angles and different faces to depart from the normal flat circle head or side view but often times it leaves us with them turning the upper snout into what looks like a giant nose and that sometimes just looks kind of unappealing. I understand them wanting to try to put extra effort and imitate the movie but in cases like this I can see those who hate them and where they are coming from.
yeah, sometimes the simpler solutions are the best. If it´s isn´t broken, don´t fix it with another thing that leads to worse results. I will say that it doesn´t look as obvious as Celestia´s faces but yeah, the Toon Boom animation has already offered the high quality that the animators are trying to attempt within the flash style. I suppose that we´ll get used to seeing them in gen 5 with the new artstyle.

Not a bad intention (in fact, they are looking for uppering the visual aspect) but as you have cherished before, the backgrounds and the illumination are what have truly paid off here in practice.


Anon 09/21/2019 (Sat) 23:47:52 [Preview] No.4638 [X] del >>4639>>4648
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so,despite leaving a PoLS tonight, I will be posting soon my thoughts about the next episode: She Talks To Angel.

It won't require much thought nor depth but it seems that Fluttershy won't get any solo episodes anymore. One can have a comfy time watching this episode because it's pure slice of life material and it is as simple as its promise sounds.


Anon 09/21/2019 (Sat) 23:56:20 [Preview] No.4639 [X] del
>>4638
*premise

basically without watching the episode,it leaves little to no room for questions where this plot device is actually going for.


Anon 09/22/2019 (Sun) 01:47:11 [Preview] No.4648 [X] del >>4653
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>>4638
>seen up to 20
I need to catch up. I still haven't seen She talks to Angle. Weeks been a bit crazy as certain family member that I've mentioned before needing help...

Not going rush but I'm hoping to have a break so I may get caught up because no matter what I'm going to watch the final ASAP after it offically airs in the states.


Anon 09/22/2019 (Sun) 07:04:47 [Preview] No.4653 [X] del >>4672
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>>4648
>I need to catch up.I still haven't seen She talks to Angle.
don´t worry, I can postpone it a little bit if you don´t want to see them before the first contact with it (even though the episode is nowhere near as the league that one can imagine from the final so,I don´t think it´s a matter of spoilers for this episode specifically.


>Not going rush but I'm hoping to have a break so I may get caught up
I am watching them with the same rhythm that US airings do so add episode 21.

However, that doesn´t mean I will talk about them over here because the first contact serves to watch and warm up with them at my own leisure without obsessing all that much compared to what I discuss over here.

>Weeks been a bit crazy as certain family member that I've mentioned before needing help...
yeah I know that your circumstances aren´t the most fitting for spending hours to any sort of entertainment, this is why I am waiting for you and whenever you are ready or manage to expose your thoughts here, then I watch the episode again for analyzing it right before reflecting my thoughts here.


Anon 09/23/2019 (Mon) 06:36:19 [Preview] No.4672 [X] del >>4675
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>>4653
>don´t worry, I can postpone it a little bit if you don´t want to see them before the first contact with it (even though the episode is nowhere near as the league that one can imagine from the final so,I don´t think it´s a matter of spoilers for this episode specifically.
Don't postpone on my account. I think I have a chance coming up tommorow or the next and sometimes one's thoughts can leave ya as fast as they come.

>this is why I am waiting for you and whenever you are ready or manage to expose your thoughts here, then I watch the episode again for analyzing it right before reflecting my thoughts here.
Thanks though /)


Anon 09/24/2019 (Tue) 01:25:46 [Preview] No.4674 [X] del >>4675
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Minor PoLS.

Will reply to things in more fullness later + next time I post should have a review. Note: I trying to see if I can get /flutter/ sorted out again so we will see how that goes TBH I think it was just that I sent the email before all the stuff with the migration and 8chan went down.


Anon 09/24/2019 (Tue) 22:49:08 [Preview] No.4675 [X] del
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>>4672
>sometimes one's thoughts can leave ya as fast as they come.
definitely not when one watches the episode right before posting the thoughts on the thread.

>>4674
>Will reply to things in more fullness later + next time I post should have a review.
alright, no problem

>I trying to see if I can get /flutter/ sorted out again so we will see how that goes
you mean about claiming the ownership? As for now, it doesn´t seem that they have taken it into account.

>it was just that I sent the email before all the stuff with the migration and 8chan went down.
this should explain the lack of response towards your message, they were more focused on the website in general. The situation has changed a lot since then (and I don´t get the 500 errors anymore by the way)


Anon 09/27/2019 (Fri) 19:52:27 [Preview] No.4687 [X] del >>4689>>4690>>5311>>5312
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Angel Bunny in Fluttershy's body was not something I ever wanted but man it was much more awesome then expected.

This episode was a little better than I had thought. It may sound a bit strange but I thought they nailed Angel Bunny. I couldn't believe how much it felt like another character in Fluttershy's body over just making it sound like Fluttershy was simply being rude. This is more interesting then it first seems because Angel Bunny's character itself really hasn't been explored much beyond "Angel Bunny is a jerk and pest" Though small it gave Angel Bunny a bit of personality and character growth (wow, didn't think that would ever be coming from my month). The lesson itself was solid enough but from an inuniverse perspective it feels a bit wonky. It's interesting how the friendship school sometimes is acknowledged as a time strain yet in most episodes is a complete non factor in most. The Mane 6 are traveling and popping up in random places as much as they'd ever have. So it feels like a lesson that almost doesn't matter. As we've been told "Cartoon Logic" so it's more of a moderately sized nitpick.

8/10

Other notes: Is this the first acknowledgement by word that the animals that Fluttershy takes care of do eat each other? I remember that being a big debate when Equestria was seen as a utopia back in the earlier days. Even then though with the presence of monsters and Fluttershy having been seen feeding a bear fish does disprove that all the way back then.

I know some will misunderstand (and gripe) that Fluttershy was having the predators on a vegetarian diet but the dialog clearly implies that was only while at her sanctuary.

Did Zecora go too far?


Anon 09/27/2019 (Fri) 20:01:22 [Preview] No.4688 [X] del >>4691
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Another thing: this just feels like one of those episodes that "hey, the end is near let's try this." Just a bit zany/crazy idea that you try because it's the last season and you might as well spend it on a spare episode. TBH, this season almost surprised me by how normal it has felt so far. Yeah, there's been some craziness that let's us know it is the last but it still often feels like any other later season of the show.

Welp now I gotta run. I have a lot more to say around here but I'm glad to be able to restart our episode discussions.


Anon 09/28/2019 (Sat) 21:44:43 [Preview] No.4689 [X] del
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So, I have recently given to this episode another try and comment about it even though in comparison to what´s coming next, it will feel somewhat short for reviewing it. Nonetheless, it does bring a few aspects that certainly were unexpected:

So, here I give my replies: She Talks To Angel (Season 9,Episode 18)

>>4687
>Angel Bunny in Fluttershy's body was not something I ever wanted
I don´t think that anyone has asked for that. I man, what could come from that plot device? Maybe there have been fans of the body swap fetish with plots that change the voices of the ones involved.

They will be disappointed with this episode because Andrea Libman keep delivering the same voice all over the episode (even though she makes it apparent with the changes of tone and arrogance) and Angel doesn´t talk at all.

>but man it was much more awesome then expected.
which means that you don´t need to have exceptional settings in order to entertain and deliver a message of empathy. Going to Seed did this as well and it only involved the Apple Family and the Sweet Apple Acres. For this episode, there have been two protagonists and two supporting characters and that was it (except the moment when Twilight and Spike appeared but that served as functional sign for telling that Fluttershy was desperately asking for help)

>It may sound a bit strange but I thought they nailed Angel Bunny. I couldn't believe how much it felt like another character in Fluttershy's body over just making it sound like Fluttershy was simply being rude. This is more interesting then it first seems because Angel Bunny's character itself really hasn't been explored much beyond "Angel Bunny is a jerk and pest"
that´s the key point. This drives to a question of: where do we draw the line about non talkative animals/species being rational or not? I mean, we have seen Angel acting like a jerk most of the time (Putting Your Hoof Down comes to my mind) to Fluttershy and it´s really ironic that he has that name when the actual results show literally the opposite. Sure, he has had personal preferences and tastes but was that enough to tell that the brain works enough to be expressive and go beyond intuitive responses?

The question even gets more twisted when the ordinary characters are colourful ponies in this universe.... God, my brain is going to implode if I think too much about this.

Let´s say that there haven´t been moments in which we could have considered Angel as a proper character to take into account, it would sound like fanfiction to anyone before this episode. I truly admire those who have written Angel as a rational character in the past, you are true seers even if those fics were jokes or mindless accidents.

>a bit of personality and character growth (wow, didn't think that would ever be coming from my month)
it sounds weird because there hasn´t voice coming from him until now. Sure, the episode itself goes through the formula of body swapping the protagonists yet Angel hasn´t had any spoken communication.


Anon 09/28/2019 (Sat) 21:47:45 [Preview] No.4690 [X] del >>4692
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>>4687
>The lesson itself was solid enough
yeah, it goes through the message of empathy, understanding each other´s lives by living them by experience for a short while. The closest episode that shares this plot device is A Royal Problem where both princesses changed their cutie marks and jobs.

>from an inuniverse perspective it feels a bit wonky. It's interesting how the friendship school sometimes is acknowledged as a time strain yet in most episodes is a complete non factor in most.
>The Mane 6 are traveling and popping up in random places as much as they'd ever have.
the time strains and the fact that the mane 6 have had like 2 or 3 jobs at the same time has been executed by raising a few questions and some sort of constant inconsistency for that matter. I wonder how they distribute their time and are able to work for all they want to do. The Mane 6 might not get placed as the most spectacular heroes you will see in a cartoon, yet they go with the anti hero formula to its very extreme sometimes. How do they handle it and pretend that nothing happens between both jobs? Don´t they have personal problems at that?

For Fluttershy at least, we have seen that. But...

>it feels like a lesson that almost doesn't matter. As we've been told "Cartoon Logic" so it's more of a moderately sized nitpick
indeed, that flaw that has been kept since the debut of said school.....for now

>Is this the first acknowledgement by word that the animals that Fluttershy takes care of do eat each other?
considering that Fluttershy has been absent for long periods, I wouldn´t get surprised by that dynamic (let alone if Fluttershy has told some advised them beforehand), not to mention that they don´t only have a limited space anymore (Fluttershy´s house) but a whole sanctuary for their own business and/or conflicts.

>Equestria was seen as a utopia back in the earlier days.
it´s still an utopia to some extent, my question about rationality confirms that these established rules are undefined yet special to its universe.

>with the presence of monsters and Fluttershy having been seen feeding a bear fish does disprove that all the way back then.
the ordinary trophic chain still prevails so yeah.

>some will misunderstand (and gripe) that Fluttershy was having the predators on a vegetarian diet but the dialog clearly implies that was only while at her sanctuary.
I am implying that she has used the stare in order to intimidate them and obey her rules. Taking them as "rational" creatures, I uppose that they stay there as some sort of contract for doing what they are doing even though it manipulates their own nature. Kind of like domesticated animals when they aren´t all that conventional in the real world.

>Did Zecora go too far?
considering what has happened in A Health of Information, this kind of looks like a snack.


Anon 09/28/2019 (Sat) 22:03:13 [Preview] No.4691 [X] del >>4693>>4697
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>>4688
>this just feels like one of those episodes that "hey, the end is near let's try this."
do you think that this will be the only time where they apply that mentality you have brought onto the table?

My answer is: Definitely not.

>this season almost surprised me by how normal it has felt so far.
>it still often feels like any other later season of the show.
well, it certainly seems like they could have gone further with this gen but better end up before it grows stale to everyone and reach the zombie state even though it proves how healthy this show has stayed until its very end and how it has had reservations and more fuel hidden and developed through the episodes to the point where a 10th could have been delivered.

As you say, it seems more like a continuation of the 8th season instead of setting itself up for the ending even though episodes like the premiere, the villains´arc along with Twilight´s, The Last Laugh´s first two minutes, Uprooted´s song and the feelings of world´s completion when the Royal Sisters were living as tourists for a day and the reunion of the characters the CMC have known in the past among other things; all of them drive you to think that we are witnessing more than a simple continuation.

>I have a lot more to say around here but I'm glad to be able to restart our episode discussions.
one appreciates that at its core. It makes things more lively. You were promising this days ago and it finally happened so yeah, glad to see that you have been able to do this as well.


Anon 09/29/2019 (Sun) 01:01:24 [Preview] No.4692 [X] del >>4705
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>>4690
>yeah, it goes through the message of empathy, understanding each other´s lives by living them by experience for a short while. The closest episode that shares this plot device is A Royal Problem where both princesses changed their cutie marks and jobs.
Very good comparison.

>the time strains and the fact that the mane 6 have had like 2 or 3 jobs at the same time has been executed by raising a few questions and some sort of constant inconsistency for that matter. I wonder how they distribute their time and are able to work for all they want to do.
The others I think the school is what breaks the camels back is the school. otherwise you still make somewhat an excuse for Rarity is managing a growing business but also has underlings and by this point can afford not to do custom orders at this point, so in some ways she may actually have more free time. Twilight Sparkle, outside of some ceremonial duties, whole purpose is (at least for now) the princess of friendship. The other mane5 and her have to maintain a friendship and they keep playing up the fact that all six will would rule, hanging out with her friends is part of her job. Apple Jack is already a bit pushing it with how often she traveled and how sometimes they showed how much work was in the farm, but it was still wasn't completely inexcusable (you could say that she had more free time in non harvest season and that she hasn't been usually away that long). With the school however is what puts a real strain on this lifestyle. Rainbow Dash maybe the best example. She a Wonderbolt, a head weathermare for a small town and unspecified area around it. still adventures/regularly travels with the mane6 . And somehow still has enough time to make join in a myriad of small town events, keep active in at least 1 fandom, and vacation with Granny Smith at the same time. This is all with the added burden of being a teacher.

>indeed, that flaw that has been kept since the debut of said school.....for now
I don't know how'd they suddenly introduce that as a element this late. Unless you are hinting at something from a future episode that haven't seen yet.

>I am implying that she has used the stare in order to intimidate them and obey her rules. Taking them as "rational" creatures, I uppose that they stay there as some sort of contract for doing what they are doing even though it manipulates their own nature. Kind of like domesticated animals when they aren´t all that conventional in the real world.
You know that could work. Ponies are arguably bending the natures natural course. Just a bit better then we humans are. Then again I think magic needs to be included in this analysis. But I have other things to get too...

>it´s still an utopia to some extent, my question about rationality confirms that these established rules are undefined yet special to its universe.
I will be back on this topic too.


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>>4691
>My answer is: Definitely not.
Indeed. I already know from what little I know of one of the episodes there is another premise like that all the way.

>all of them drive you to think that we are witnessing more than a simple continuation.
I really don't have a full opinion on it yet. TBH, you could make the case that they wasted some opportunity by having average B team episode plots and sometimes ignoring certain plot elements they introduced in the past. Yet, for me so far I've actually enjoyed this season more than season 8 and though I think they perhaps could have done more won't be able to judge fully yet till it's over at some moments but remember I'd rather have it solid then overcrowded!

>one appreciates that at its core. It makes things more lively. You were promising this days ago and it finally happened so yeah, glad to see that you have been able to do this as well.
Dragon Dropped up next.


Anon 09/29/2019 (Sun) 06:06:01 [Preview] No.4694 [X] del >>4701>>4703>>4704>>5311>>5312
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Alright, what can I say about this episode?

Well, tbh, it's an ambivalence. The story was done for the most part fine. On Spike's end, it feels very organic and realistic of a young kid to grow out of a crush like that. On Rarity's end, she's in character enough, she's been way worse in her pettiness and her selfish side. In fact I got a bit of a kick out of her being suddenly so possessive on Spike. Albeit with a moderate weirdness of a relationship that was previously defined in terms of of an unrequited love on one end and one of at worst a child she took advantage of and a best one she humored and found could be a help at times. Still, Rarity's fondness for him seems very equal, as if he wasn't a child. It feels slightly off to me. As for Sparity? Was it a good closure? Organically as a child losing a crush without much fan fare feels pretty realistic but the problem comes from a plot standpoint. It isn't so much closure as much as something that they just swept under the rug. Yet where was Sparity to go? It rarely came up as more than a gag and even in Spike and Rarity episodes outside of Secret of My Excess it was just there without changing its status much. Yes, Rarity and Spike's friendship evolved, but not the crush. Now where is one to go with it? In my personal opinion, Sparity would make hard to happen without being kinda creepy. Arguably from a storytelling perspective real life 100% is the most boring way to end a plot thread (but still has some value with lessons). My thoughts on the best way to end it would be to have it fully tackled with Spike being the one learning the lesson that he couldn't be with her and it changing fully to a healthy friendship. Though I must say I'm not sure I'm willing to call it a bad ending having Spike just simply grow out of it isn't offensively bad and makes sense with real world logic. Yet I have found myself yet another angle of attack with the fact that Spike itself acknowledging it/the episode being about Spike realizing that he doesn't have a thing for Rarity would be a far cooler plot point!

One other thing I forgot to mention in my wall of text is how well I think Gabby fits here. IDK what to say but Gabby befriending Spike isn't something that would come to mind yet felt so natural to me. Heck, Gabby felt more realized as a character then most the Student 6. Yet the reason for this could just as be that we've know her a little longer and that student 6 have much more hinted at and needing for exploration then a simple minor regular. There was a lot of elements I liked in this episode TBH.

How do I rate this? I actually enjoyed it most of the time. I think though from a storytelling closure perspective it failed. I also think the POV should be on Spike not Rarity for both storytelling and the purposes of a stronger more powerful lesson. Problem is I never was invested in Sparity. Yet it is still as something they ran with that I think you can make a case they could still have acknowledged better then this.

My rating is:
Mindless pony episode:7.3/10
As a resolution to Sparity: 5.9/10


Anon 09/29/2019 (Sun) 06:13:40 [Preview] No.4695 [X] del >>4704
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Now one little note: I get why they are really emphasizing Rarity's lisps as it fits the type of character Rarity is but it still often looks off. Sometimes it looks alright and other times it looks kinda weird. This type of stuff though is more of an observation than an outright complaint.


Anon 09/29/2019 (Sun) 06:20:42 [Preview] No.4696 [X] del >>4704
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Also this. Then again, perhaps Fluttershy has no time to do this as much anymore if we go by last episode. Perhaps that would've been a topic to explore too yet I could see objections from the fact that such dynamic could be against the very theme of the show depending how they went with it and what was implied.


Anon 09/29/2019 (Sun) 06:27:31 [Preview] No.4697 [X] del >>4698
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>>4691
>one appreciates that at its core. It makes things more lively. You were promising this days ago and it finally happened so yeah, glad to see that you have been able to do this as well.
Have more good news as well already seen the next episode and I think I maybe fully caught up this week.

will get to some other replies later. including your belated but much appreciated review

See you around /endpone/! *Disappears into light!*


Anon 09/29/2019 (Sun) 23:33:30 [Preview] No.4698 [X] del >>4699
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>>4697
well,my PoLS becomes true tonight. You have already reviewed Dragon Dropped and unlike the previous episode,this isn't as easy to judge as I did yesterday.

Part of the spoilers that I had seen on /mlp/ were related to the ship and consequently,the drama that followed it overnight.

In the meantime,I have left a lot of replies all over the long threads (including a few unexpected posts like the personal thread or reviving your fic,it feels weird that I have decided to do it this week). I still haven't watched beyond ep 21 but I suppose that I will give the CMC episode a try before judging this one deeply.


>See you around /endpone/
same as well.


Anon 10/01/2019 (Tue) 06:44:16 [Preview] No.4699 [X] del >>4704
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>>4698
> You have already reviewed Dragon Dropped and unlike the previous episode,this isn't as easy to judge as I did yesterday.
It isn't. Though its no big an issue as Scootaloo's parents. I have been debating to myself. Worse (or better?) is that I never really cared for the plot point and found the episode mostly enjoyable yet I think of ways to look upon it that make it seem quite poor in how they handled it. Feels like pic related.

>In the meantime,I have left a lot of replies all over the long threads (including a few unexpected posts like the personal thread or reviving your fic,it feels weird that I have decided to do it this week).
Working on getting to'em. Been a bit busy with stuff.

PoLS tonight as well I suppose.


Anon 10/01/2019 (Tue) 21:24:57 [Preview] No.4700 [X] del
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Well, I am torn by two sides tonight:

The bad news is that I have to figure out and expose properly what I have to say about Dragon Dropped.

The good news, nonetheless, are that the next three episode don´t raise as many questions as this one does. In fact, they might be seen as highlights in the end but as for now, before getting into them in this thread, I must admit that I have really good impressions about the next three (20,21 and 22).

Also, posting a nice picture for the digits.


Anon 10/01/2019 (Tue) 22:24:52 [Preview] No.4701 [X] del
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Well, having watched it for a 2nd time, I think that I will give my thoughts instead because this one is a little bit more different than usual, not for the show but for the community.

>>4694
>what can I say about this episode?
>it's an ambivalence. The story was done for the most part fine
>I actually enjoyed it most of the time.
I could sum it up with this, you have definitely said it with these lines but I feel like I should go a little bit further before replying to your posts about this episode.

This episode by itself cannot be rated lower than The Last Crusade or be seen as a low point of the season. As far as I am concerned, I can´t find any atrocity signs in the writing (in general, I cannot find them easily for this season, it feels like a polished version of season 8).

I am typing the easier things first: this episode doesn´t have anyone out of character here, they act fairly reasonably and Rarity actually comes back to her dramatic antics (with the sofa for crying about her troubles like in the past seasons) so along with the music for practicing about her forgiveness, these moments stand out as the comedy elements for this episode.

A few relevant aspects worth mentioning is that the show keeps its consistency about reintroducing Gabby in Ponyville. It´s ironic but nobody would have bet about the post office being such an effective place to work around and use it as a plot device for the last seasons. This place has become even more relevant than the town hall or even the Sugarcube Corner and it started because of Derpy´s fame. As soon as writers figured out what she works at, her constant presences related to her job have made this place even more important than one would have expected at first.

Another detail that I should mention is that the friendship established between Gabby and Spike is because they have things in common but one detail that I have particularly liked a lot is that she said that both dragons and griffons don´t have the greatest fame out there. I´ve liked quite a lot about this acknowledgement and she admits that she is working for improving their image at what she does. Another case,besides the students, that whatever species is involved in the writing, there will be reminiscences of pony culture or at least, have an indirect influence both in the writing and in Equestria itself.

Lastly (even though this is more aimed at the writing direction in general than this episode), there are always constant references to previous material (Power Ponies, the gem cave becoming a constant place to visit, the shops and the spa of Ponyville...)and it shows how even characters like the students don´t feel all that weird these days, particularly at the scene in which Gallus receives the letter. So many new faces yet the feelings are still the same in the old settings that we have known, this episode reaffirms that the coziness still has a place until the very end of the series.


Anon 10/01/2019 (Tue) 22:56:56 [Preview] No.4702 [X] del
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Leaving those thoughts here in public, I believe that I should be focusing on what surrounds this "controversy", am I?

There is a huge problem for asking thoughts towards a ship like Sparity because this means that you are going to get a biased opinion towards this episode because....I wasn´t there when this ship was established, I didn´t experience that era of innocence about writing for background characters, random ships and diversified headcanons so I have to mostly stick what the past canon episodes have shown to me.

I don´t know precisely what logic follows the ship for the fanbase and how much should really matter. I am implying that the parody of A Dog and A Pony Show gave this idea about shipping a young dragon with a pony like Rarity, boosted with a slice of life episode like Secret of My Excess (also referencing King Kong´s skyscrapers scene). Alright, I suppose that the affection of Rarity towards the little dragon was also shown in Dragon Quest or even later in the Gauntlet of Fire.

Having said that, I am really indifferent towards this ship, I don´t find any solid logic behind it besides making a joke here and there (not sure for mocking Spike or making him somewhat interesting in front of the gallery).

However, I joined in 2014 and season 4 already happened and most of the fanbase are forgetting about an episode called Inspiration Manifestation and the fact that Spike has saved the Crystal Empire twice. The former shows how Spike doesn´t tolerate excessive capricious from Rarity (ending it with a moral of friendship instead of having a romantic tone) and the latter adds a layer to his diplomatic arc, meaning that he relies less and less about using that "ship" as a plot device or getting less frequent over time.

This should back my thoughts up for this episode. If one analyzes it coldly, this ship didn´t make much sense but I think that the writers have simply given a warning sign to the shippers. You have shipped a pony with a dragon,how about shipping that dragon with a griffon? Someone has to hold the staff´s beer here.

As a result,this episode has cooled down the ship and claim that Rarity should be seen as his friend, not as a love interest because other ones could come instead that fall down better into his preferences. It opens up one door slightly for Gabby by giving her some excuse to write about her but the writers have also transmitted that fan material about Spike and Rarity shouldn´t end because of this, just that they should be seen as close traditional contacts rather than a pairing (they have had adventures together without any hints of love thrown into the screen for very long periods)

The episode is quite enjoyable and I am implying that the drama that has happened last summer was because of the accidental explosion of leaks and all the emotions were written in order to express their anxiousness and general feelings about this show ending in this manner, so this episode was an easy target for baiting and circlejerk about how the writers have handled this subject.

So yeah, I have been entertained by it but I still admire a little bit more the following ones. I agree with Bridgefag´s rating, this should be around the good to great category: around a light 7 or so.


Anon 10/01/2019 (Tue) 23:24:52 [Preview] No.4703 [X] del
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>>4694
>it feels very organic and realistic of a young kid to grow out of a crush like that.
it was simply bound to happen. Hence I cannot rate this episode lower than a 7, the characters here have been written properly without acting out of what we expect from them.

>she's in character enough, she's been way worse in her pettiness and her selfish side.
eeeyup, in fact, Inspiration Manifestation actually shows those extremes even though for the most time she was possessed by a spell.

>I got a bit of a kick out of her being suddenly so possessive on Spike.
>Rarity's fondness for him seems very equal, as if he wasn't a child. It feels slightly off to me.
this is quite possibly the most questionable part of this episode: the plot device used for this story. How is she that she is acting more possesive than usual? I get her actions of jealousy after she meets Gabby but I think that the technical problems (unrelated to the ship discussion) arise from this detail. I´ve seen more questionable plot devices than this but it´s still pretty noticeable and it´s no wonder that one raise some questions about this.

>Organically as a child losing a crush without much fan fare feels pretty realistic but the problem comes from a plot standpoint.
that´s the thing. The episode itself does make sense when it comes to its own development, the problem is when you enter into muddy waters that the community implied in an exaggerated manner.


>It rarely came up as more than a gag and even in Spike and Rarity episodes outside of Secret of My Excess it was just there without changing its status much. Yes, Rarity and Spike's friendship evolved, but not the crush.
exactly. I mean, where do you find the signs of it? One shipper could claim about those gags but when the writers had to handle them together in a full story (Secret of My Excess, Inspiration Manifestation, the dragonlands episodes...), they develop universal values of friendship and those quick gags become absolutely irrelevant when those important moments/lessons happen to them.

>Sparity would make hard to happen without being kinda creepy
the writers respond: Hold my beer, how about a griffon?(to an extent).

>My thoughts on the best way to end it would be to have it fully tackled with Spike being the one learning the lesson that he couldn't be with her and it changing fully to a healthy friendship.
not a bad ending at all, in fact, it would have completed the circle for both sides (the show and the fanbase). But...

>I'm not sure I'm willing to call it a bad ending having Spike just simply grow out of it isn't offensively bad and makes sense with real world logic.
the one that we´ve got isn´t a bad one either. I mean, Spike has had lots of other things going on for him (diplomacy with Thorax and Ember, helping Twilight in general with the school and her issues, his friendships with Discord and Big Mac, his fame in the Crystal Empire) and because of that lesser amount of time, he has only stayed as the favorite assistant for Rarity´s plans in her business. I don´t know,all of this might sound somewhat unrelated to the answer but I find that the existence of new happenings in his life has made him change in his personal preferences.

>Spike itself acknowledging it/the episode being about Spike realizing that he doesn't have a thing for Rarity would be a far cooler plot point!
that could have served as well but I guess they wanted to introduce a secondary character in order to give her a place/excuse to make her relevant.


Anon 10/01/2019 (Tue) 23:56:02 [Preview] No.4704 [X] del >>5311>>5312
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>>4694
>IDK what to say but Gabby befriending Spike isn't something that would come to mind yet felt so natural to me. Heck, Gabby felt more realized as a character then most the Student 6.
considering that she is mostly an independent character that hasn´t needed an awkward introduction such a school out of built out of nowhere, one gets a different sense towards her presence. She has had two episodes but it´s really easy to notice her optimistic chill out attitude. Not all the students have had time to flesh out properly for an entire episode (Ocellus is the prime example). It´s truly relative honestly, I have had more or less those thoughts towards Silverstream´s brother as well (both gave themselves a brofist in the Last Crusade ironically enough)

>I also think the POV should be on Spike not Rarity for both storytelling and the purposes of a stronger more powerful lesson. Problem is I never was invested in Sparity.
me neither so I haven´t felt a great urge to make it important or huge about a ship of this kind.

>Yet it is still as something they ran with that I think you can make a case they could still have acknowledged better then this.
even though there is always room for improvement. It doesn´t scream anything that makes you go "WOW!" nor this episode has a great impact to discuss about it deeply.

>>4695
>Sometimes it looks alright and other times it looks kinda weird.
I am still undecided towards these faces, I don´t give all that much of a thought but damn, they are asking for meme material from the fanbase. I believe that Celly is still the worst offender in this aspect though.

>>4696
>Perhaps that would've been a topic to explore too yet I could see objections from the fact that such dynamic could be against the very theme of the show depending how they went with it and what was implied.
wait for it because what you are mentioning will hit in other subjects....I´ll let that sink in.

>>4699
>though its no big an issue as Scootaloo's parents. I have been debating to myself.
fortunately enough, Gabby was an established character with a charismatic attitude, she hasn´t appeared out of nowhere and her appearance was well justified unlike Scoot´s parents who looked like fanfic OCs. It´s not that bad but still, I hope that I don´t get to discuss these muddy topics anymore (who would have thought that this kids show could give a headache or two for analyzing it?) unless it´s about the finale.

>think of ways to look upon it that make it seem quite poor in how they handled it. Feels like pic related.
as I say, there is always room for improvement but I cannot complain much to what we´ve got. I am actually bothered that I am not overwhelmed at all by those math operations/signs from that picture.

>Working on getting to'em. Been a bit busy with stuff.
same as well for me during these last two days. I still have to reply a couple of posts from Fluttershy´s episode but I think that I am ending this right here tonight.

Goodnight /endpone/.


Anon 10/02/2019 (Wed) 16:07:59 [Preview] No.4705 [X] del >>4711>>4712
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>>4693
>I already know from what little I know of one of the episodes there is another premise like that all the way.
eeeyup, you have probably watched it at this point

>you could make the case that they wasted some opportunity by having average B team episode plots and sometimes ignoring certain plot elements they introduced in the past
depends on the criteria and the expectations that one has for these episodes. As I don´t expect anything save the material itself, I haven´t spent my time on it.

>for me so far I've actually enjoyed this season more than season 8 and though I think they perhaps could have done more won't be able to judge fully yet till it's over at some moments but remember I'd rather have it solid then overcrowded!
indeed, better leave things when the fans don´t feel so oversaturated by ponies. At least,gen 4 remains untouched and closes the book without any chance of ruining it in the future. I didn´t ask for much save for solid material and ending this gen with a good note in general so you can tell that I am pleased because not all the series keep their quality over the years.

>>4692
>Unless you are hinting at something from a future episode that haven't seen yet.
the school backstory, I cannot explain it all that much except for introducing the characters that Hasbro ordered to the staff. About the mane 6 being busy by this, I can´t still figure out how they have found all this time to organize themselves and as you say, the time constraints should have been a plot device in the last season even though the Fluttershy episode won´t stay there alone in this aspect. It will have more impact in another episode...

>Ponies are arguably bending the natures natural course. Just a bit better then we humans are. Then again I think magic needs to be included in this analysis.
it´s kind of complicated to imply these headcanons to a general rule. Let´s say that Fluttershy handles them the best but I suppose that magic can serve as an element of writing these little holes in Equestria´s logic and how much the rules fit for the episodes.

>I think the school is what breaks the camels back is the school.
oh the sweet irony.

>Rainbow Dash maybe the best example. She a Wonderbolt, a head weathermare for a small town and unspecified area around it. still adventures/regularly travels with the mane6 . And somehow still has enough time to make join in a myriad of small town events, keep active in at least 1 fandom, and vacation with Granny Smith at the same time. This is all with the added burden of being a teacher.
fair enough, she does have a consistent responsibility in comparison to the rest along with those tasks and hobbies. It´s quite crazy to think that Rainbow was seen as lazy jerk at certain moments in the early seasons yet one wonders how she has been able to keep up with this rhythm.

>you still make somewhat an excuse for Rarity is managing a growing business but also has underlings and by this point can afford not to do custom orders at this point, so in some ways she may actually have more free time.
that could be a good theory. I mean, despite her expansions in Canterlot and Manehatten, she has assigned her workers so this means that she can simply stay in Ponyville and check those shops every now and then.

>Apple Jack is already a bit pushing it with how often she traveled and how sometimes they showed how much work was in the farm, but it was still wasn't completely inexcusable (you could say that she had more free time in non harvest season and that she hasn't been usually away that long). With the school however is what puts a real strain on this lifestyle.
fortunately enough, I don´t think that AJ is going to be all that stressed for the school anymore. I do believe that Twilight has invested more time than AJ because of the direction about the school. I could reply more to this but part of your speculations are fortunately answered.


Also, you thought Flutterbat was scary enough, then you might hold your breath for this ""character""


Anon 10/03/2019 (Thu) 05:20:43 [Preview] No.4711 [X] del >>4712>>4714
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>>4705
Of all the pictures for you to post... Let's just say my absence was for a bit more than family troubles. You'll see PoLSP for now.


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>>4705
>>4711
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........
I think I'm not the only one up ta something.


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>>4711
>Of all the pictures for you to post...
Apple Bloom must have gone through Area 51 and get her genes combined with the alien ones...because that face isn´t looking good.

>Let's just say my absence was for a bit more than family troubles.
yeah, it´s nothing new to report because we have seen that you were relieved to review again for a while. This means that your context isn´t looking all that "bright". Still, just simply reply or report for whatever you want to do over here. I can wait.

>>4712
>I think I'm not the only one up ta something.
those villains fall awfully short in comparison Nightmare Moon because she has official MTG powers. Beat her in that regard.


Anon 10/04/2019 (Fri) 21:48:28 [Preview] No.4715 [X] del >>4716
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>>4714
>This means that your context isn´t looking all that "bright".
You don't know the half of it.


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>>4715
better delivering a smile from it than feeling down and pessimist towards it.

I suppose


Anon 10/05/2019 (Sat) 21:17:00 [Preview] No.4717 [X] del >>4728>>5311>>5312
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A Horse Shoe In

This episode was in the good to excellent tier for me. The whole dynamic with Dolores still being shown to be under a little pressure with her (soon to increase) duties at the friendship school and her friendship with Trixie was a good way to facilitate her temptation for cronyism was perfect and that it was established in a previous episode more so. I liked the selection process and though the candidates certainly confused me. Time Tuner was the only one that fit. I still liked the whole selection process and the attics with it (Big Mac talking to the parents especially gave me a laugh). I wondered why they didn't have Sun Burst there as a candidate but I can understand why they saved him for the end and he would probably be the best fit. Overall pretty enjoyable.

8.5/10 is my rating.

Other notes:
I don't understand any in universe explanation for why ponies like Big Mac and Octavia would be interested in the job. I suppose for the former it could be something like wanting to work where his sister works and perhaps not realizing how big of a job it could be. Octavia I can't think of any out of the top of my head and seems pretty random though her almost wining it before realizing how it would affect her music career was pretty interesting and and is a feather in her cap as a feat.

Twilight Sparkle prepping for the transition of power was also a nice background dynamic. It gave the episode a sense of the nearing end. Though I wonder how it must feel to have to abandon the school you just got going good. Even if I think the school was somewhat thematically questionable it was still Twily reaching the height of what would be her personal goals. I'll probably have ore to say on this after the final.

Remember Trixie's teliportation/summoning feat. I have something to say later on that too.


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Daring Doubt.

This one I doubted a bit. Something felt a little off but I couldn't put my hoof on why. The whole Daring Do as a real person always confused me and me trying to apply logic to imagining how that worked in universe. Once again we see the dynamic of ponies rapidly turning against somepony with little hesitation. It is something that annoys me a little bit but as I've said before I'm not sure how much I can really go after it since that dynamic has been the show since season 1. Still, one would think that, even if their would be some that are angry, there would be just as many who would freak out that the hero that they idolize is actually real (if they even believe the book in the first place.) I also wasn't really sure at first what they where doing by lightly deconstructing Daring Do/Indiana Jones the genre while at the same time not messing with the whole meta concept of their existence within their own world. My views have softened some because looking after thinking about it they did in a way mess with that was possibly pretty cleaver. Daring Do is a character who writes her own stories, the normal hero who you only get their POV. Than the villain comes along and writes his own and throws things out of whack with his POV, which one wouldn't normally see (or at least that's what everyone says who makes stuff like this now) Overall I liked the whole dynamic with Fluttershy and Dr. Caballeron team. It almost feels like their is an essence of something cleaver with the moral and the dynamic of storybooks but I don't feel it was brought to what it could be in either symbolism with that meta dynamic and/or the moral's usefulness. Stopping, listening to each other isn't bad, but I feel like their could've made it more related to the books directly or used a slightly different moral as that one could be more useful in other contexts.

Overall, I could see some hating this one. From either everypony being redeemed and therefore making Daring Do not a hero fighting bad ponies to just everypony having a misunderstanding and perhaps all being a little in the wrong to varying degrees to not feeling fully fleshed out as it could be. Though for me. I don't think I hate it. The episode's main purpose was less so any sort of meta commentary as it was just to bring back the whole Daring Do storyline one more time and and give it a bit of a wrap up. The adventure was still fun and this was certainly a better to have Dash in one more staring roll besides being an cheer leading couch. I think this could be more realized and I still have a slight offness with it but it still gave us one last visit and a cute happy ending. I don't know what the future holds for the final but for if they do go a bittersweet or somehow sad which would be insane route than I think I'll like a happy ending here even more so.
7.3/10


Anon 10/05/2019 (Sat) 22:01:08 [Preview] No.4719 [X] del >>4720
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Next pair of reviews coming a little later. Yes I am fully caught up and will be getting to the rest of /endpone/ pretty soon as well.


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>>4719
>Next pair of reviews coming a little later.
not only you have caught it up but I haven´t given episode 23 a watch yet. Yeah, you are more advanced than me tonight even though I am going to follow your rhythm tomorrow.

>will be getting to the rest of /endpone/ pretty soon as well.
so it seems that time has let you to get some peace and....

well, not only these review but your activity shown in /flutter/. It seems that I am going to have a long day replying properly to these posts.

PoLS but that doesn´t mean that I am not reading your most recent ones.

Still, one should show a little smile for these little moments/gestures,shouldn´t I?


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>>4720
>not only you have caught it up but I haven´t given episode 23 a watch yet. Yeah, you are more advanced than me tonight even though I am going to follow your rhythm tomorrow.
We both shall be ready then. I will be probably posting my reviews and replies to a couple of other things in the next couple of days.

>so it seems that time has let you to get some peace and....
As I said. You don't know the half of it but you will see soon enough...

>Still, one should show a little smile for these little moments/gestures,shouldn´t I?
Hey, its not like its necessary but it is a nice gesture sometimes, not to mention part of our board's tiny culture.


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so, having watched A Horse Shoe In, I think I should add a few comments or observations towards this episode but while it doesn´t reach the top quality like On The Road To Friendship, it truly shows that these two characters do really have great antics for any single episode in which they appear together.

Has there ever been a bad episode with these two as protagonists? Definitely not and this episode is no exception to that norm.

>>4717
>this episode was in the good to excellent tier for me.
indeed, not top 5 material but still it´s a real solid effort that one can a few genuine laughs from it. It doesn´t really need many words to justify the charm that these two show together.

>was a good way to facilitate her temptation for cronyism was perfect and that it was established in a previous episode more so.
the episode that you are talking about might All Bottled Up. It didn´t require a test but still Dolores was mad of Trixie´s irresponsibility about the map of harmony.

>though the candidates certainly confused me
well, it certainly proved that Spoiled Rich holds that name for very good reasons and why one wouldn´t like to have her as a mother. For those who want to got until the last cent, go for her advice but for other things, you´d better avoid her.

>I still liked the whole selection process and the attics with it (Big Mac talking to the parents especially gave me a laugh).
well, those characters were put in order to show those moments. Notonly I liked that moment but how sympathetic were both Dolores and Big Mac after that mess happened, how they agreed that he didn´t fit for that position.

I have found myself laughing more at how Trixie was proud of her idiosyncrasy and her ego for the history class (like not needing those lessons to reach her position, wow that was a complete rebel move for avoiding knowledge and culture) and how she argued with Grandpa Gruff....and he deserved it (I am not going to deny that)

>I suppose for the former it could be something like wanting to work where his sister works and perhaps not realizing how big of a job it could be.
maybe she doesn´t spend as much time as one could imply but either way, that´s a nice justification of his appearance as a candidate. (he can talk though, just that he does it for more personal/intimate matters)

>I wondered why they didn't have Sun Burst there as a candidate but I can understand why they saved him for the end and he would probably be the best fit.
he was the obvious pick and I wondered why he wasn´t called for such tests but he fit for the resolution instead....and that was a smart writing move honestly. It shows that Dolores didn´t go for the favoritism route at first glance.

>8.5/10
nice

>seems pretty random though her almost wining it before realizing how it would affect her music career was pretty interesting and and is a feather in her cap as a feat.
well,I didn´t expect her comeback and delivering a defined context for her retirement but I suppose that the writing staff put her again as a recurrent character just like Derpy with the post office (she hasn´t had any spoken lines since Slice of Life, I think)

>I wonder how it must feel to have to abandon the school you just got going good. Even if I think the school was somewhat thematically questionable it was still Twily reaching the height of what would be her personal goals.
it´s somewhat weird but when you reach a higher responsibility, you simply trust on others to follow you path, not to mention that she has written the manual for every single thing for running this school (just in case Dolores/Sunburst need it for a specific problem)

>Remember Trixie's teliportation/summoning feat.
about that, this is the pony that didn´t know how to use the spells properly and now, she is using it at pretty considerable level. From using the teleport spell for teacups to little ecosystems, that looks like a big stretch.


Anon 10/07/2019 (Mon) 22:53:16 [Preview] No.4729 [X] del >>4730
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And now, I am facing one of the most controversial episodes that has been leaked whose title even shows the word doubt in it.

The last Daring Do related episode for her arc and the whole generation: Daring Doubt.

>>4718
>This one I doubted a bit.
I do not.
>I couldn't put my hoof on why.
let´s see what it is
>The whole Daring Do as a real person always confused me and me trying to apply logic to imagining how that worked in universe.
they have never explained it but it seems that her existence mostly consists in that. Maybe that´s not her flaw but part of the reason why she is so useful to introduce new plot devices (hence G.M Berrow was so interested in writing about her).

Let me put things clear: do you think that Daring Do would have been as interesting if her stories were only about her, acting as a fictional character that has no impact in the actual Equestria? I know some fans have hated the meta direction and this episode, but, what reaction would we have got instead if she was kept in the fictional territory? I am imagining /mlp/ would call her episodes "filler" and adding nothing onto the table unless someone from the real Equestria felt inspired from the books and made real life actions because of them. What did she have to offer? A parody of Indiana Jones in Read it and Weep and emulate RD´s look and style?

Not only the real life impact has been applied but also the mane 6 having an actual impact onto her stories, distorting the direction that could have been established between the "in universe" characters from that book franchise...but here´s the catch,this goes on both directions and this opens more possibilities than one could ever imagine.

What does Daring Do offer in my eyes? Sure Indiana Jones is the easiest characteristic to get from her but I see her as a disguised clever plot device that serves to criticize the clichés and play to no end with meta stories. Maybe she by herself cannot offer that much with her adventurous trope:

Daring Don´t must have the episode which must have confused more than any other episode, turning her universe into something real. After that move, even the ponies realize that this changes everything in this episode (the writers are aware).
Stranger Than Fanfiction served to parody the fan conventions (by the way, the body pillow image was actually taken from this adventure in advance) and especially, it focused on Quibble Pants´criticism about her works as a metaphor to what happens between the fandom and the staff.
Daring Done is actually the least meta material to come from her universe but she serves as a means to an end for introducing Somnambula and follow the Pillars´arc.

And finally, Daring Doubt....


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>>4729
This episode not only reinforces the impact from the mane 6 into the universe but also, change completely the direction that the Daring Do universe had to go, justifying that this setup was established because of lies between the three antagonists and we had only seen one of their perspectives form the most part. Nobody explained why they existed and why a creature like Ahuizotl was never considered a villain for Equestria when Daring Do turned out to be real nor why Caballeron couldn´t be seen as a criminal. As soon as Daring Don´t happened, fans would put these questions into mind.

The plotholes would have come if they didn´t show up and justify their existence. This is where Daring Doubt comes into play and closes the circle with A.K Yearling retiring from her adventurous side that we have known.

The meta effect went really far in this one and not only Rainbow Dash is involved but also Fluttershy is the actual game changer because of her kindness, she messes up the established rules and so, we get different results withing Daring Do´s universe (its place in Equestria). The truth amulet should have been the "prize" of value for the three antagonists in an average Indiana Jones yet it´s worked as a medium to make the characters think about their decisions.

The most notable one is Caballeron himself by following a formula of: "I am pretending so much that I have to act like it....becoming the character I have pretended in front of Fluttershy". It blows my mind and I have even laughed at how Fluttershy was so confident when she said that the aggressive animals had a huge misconception in their image. Folks, this is a pony that feared (quite a lot) dragons in the first two seasons yet she has shone in this episode with the purest form of said elements of kindness. If you´ve got an actual adventurer with all the letters, it´s this one because she has revolutionized everything without going out of character at all.

Ahuizotl is just simply the cherry on top of the cake. Why didn´t he cause destruction nor have plans to take over Equestria and be considered as a villain, only showing up in the Daring Do stories? There you have the answer. His context was as well explained as why Daring Do was real in Daring Don´t....so it means, little to nothing except being the necessary evil for the adventurer. This episode made clear that he was only looking after the amulet and didn´t get to damage the thieves. What was truly unexpected is that he had lived for so many years that he ended the episode as an historian because of his age (like Rockhoof in the last season) and entertaining new the generations that didn´t know about his past. That´s a huge twist.


Anon 10/07/2019 (Mon) 23:40:19 [Preview] No.4731 [X] del >>5311>>5312
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>>4718
>one would think that, even if their would be some that are angry, there would be just as many who would freak out that the hero that they idolize is actually real
yeah, especially the younger ones who cannot control their emotions even though there are some adults who can go even further with that fanatism. It´s like everything that happens in this life honestly

>My views have softened some because looking after thinking about it they did in a way mess with that was possibly pretty cleaver
this is why I see her as a really useful plot device for the writers to introduce other things. It bends between fiction and reality that there are even more factors or variables that can go to wildly different directions depending on where the authors want to go.

>Than the villain comes along and writes his own and throws things out of whack with his POV, which one wouldn't normally see (or at least that's what everyone says who makes stuff like this now)
well....that´s not all new nor has come out of nowhere. Didn´t Daring Done mark an argument between Daring Do´s infamy because of Caballeron´s point of view shown to the citizens that lived in the desert?

>I don't feel it was brought to what it could be in either symbolism with that meta dynamic and/or the moral's usefulness. Stopping, listening to each other isn't bad, but I feel like their could've made it more related to the books directly or used a slightly different moral as that one could be more useful in other contexts.
I have the interpretation that the books stopped mattering as soon as other influences came into their plot. The book´s basics have to work but it serves as the base for their logic to exist. However, the guilty of this radical change is Fluttershy because she doesn´t only change Caballeron´s attitude or his team, she changes the trajectory of A.K Yearling and has made Ahuizotl to have an interest into writing his memories. If these three characters went into usual stuff, then everything would go by the book but when someone else distorts even the flutter of a butterfly, the results might not end as you would expect. Rainbow Dash does this to an extent but the actual narrator who tells the story she wants, it´s Fluttershy.

>I could see some hating this one. From either everypony being redeemed and therefore making Daring Do not a hero fighting bad ponies to just everypony having a misunderstanding and perhaps all being a little in the wrong to varying degrees to not feeling fully fleshed out as it could be.
eeeyup. It might look confusing (even more with such a huge explosion of leaks at the end of this gen, with two characters redeemed) but I do believe that those who didn´t like the process of turning her into someone real, might not have had much patience for this episode either.

>The episode's main purpose was less so any sort of meta commentary as it was just to bring back the whole Daring Do storyline one more time and and give it a bit of a wrap up.
eeeyup

>it still gave us one last visit and a cute happy ending. I don't know what the future holds for the final but for if they do go a bittersweet or somehow sad which would be insane route than I think I'll like a happy ending here even more so.
yeah but I think that the finale is in another league in comparison to the low key slice of life episodes that end with The Big Mac Question. What can we expect from the last three episodes of this gen? Certainly not boring content.


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>>4722
>We both shall be ready then. I will be probably posting my reviews and replies to a couple of other things in the next couple of days.
my body is ready. If you want to go ahead with Growing Up is a Hard Thing To Do and The Big Mac Question, you are allowed to do it because I have already watched until episode 23.

Now hear me out, don´t go further because the slice of life content end with these two episodes. The "low-key" stuff and laid back spirit puts its ending mark right here and we will be no longer discussing about them without taking into account what everyone has been waiting for: the resolution of this series.

If the controversies weren´t enough until now, here it comes the hardest part to review (hold me).

At least, I can sleep these days calmly because they have ended with a really high note in the slice of life content.

>You don't know the half of it but you will see soon enough...
hold it until you see a proper time to expose it, not to mention that life goes on and it might not be over for you

>its not like its necessary but it is a nice gesture sometimes, not to mention part of our board's tiny culture.
tiny if someone actually cared. You have no idea how sensible and volatile that "culture" considering that it was never supposed to reach the masses nor would work in the same way with them. I am saying this because there are private things that wouldn´t have been an influence for future material that would lead to relevant pony content for this board.

At least, if any fuckup is bound to happen or anything gets deleted/overlooked forever, let´s finish this season 9 thread properly and secure what could be told of this show from our perspectives.

Whatever happens next is an unwritten path....


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>>4732
>Now hear me out, don´t go further because the slice of life content end with these two episodes. The "low-key" stuff and laid back spirit puts its ending mark right here and we will be no longer discussing about them without taking into account what everyone has been waiting for: the resolution of this series.
>hold it until you see a proper time to expose it, not to mention that life goes on and it might not be over for you
I was gearing up to drop the one and half projects that I had ready before the end. They didn't have much to do with the end but my plan was to just do one more thing before the show formally kicked off even if I wouldn't even talk about it till after we absorbed the final. Do you want me to hold off? Regardless I'm going to be dropping my reviews on Growing Up is Hard to do late tomorrow and the Big Mac Question whenever you replied to that to prolong discussion (not withstanding repling to some of your points here).

>At least, I can sleep these days calmly because they have ended with a really high note in the slice of life content.
Indeed.

>If the controversies weren´t enough until now, here it comes the hardest part to review (hold me).
Believe me. Whatever the final I it'll probably be the longest review I've ever written.

>Whatever happens next is an unwritten path....
It's post FiM. The moment of truth...


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>>4733
>I was gearing up to drop the one and half projects that I had ready before the end. They didn't have much to do with the end but my plan was to just do one more thing before the show formally kicked off even if I wouldn't even talk about it till after we absorbed the final.
hey, go ahead if you want because I have no problems at all except for the fact that I might not give it a proper attention or replies to comment about it with justice at the time because of having a preference towards the canon content first.

>Do you want me to hold off?
I didn´t mean to apply that statement towards /endpone/ but more about the mindset that we´ll have to deal with for the next reviews, diving into a pretty different (and wild) territory.

My lines were intended to express a sense of facing a point of no return so that whatever slice of life discussion might be left for these "low-key" episodes and stay forgotten or become more irrelevant in comparison to these three last episodes (loaded of content and/or questions). I wasn´t aiming at the rest of the threads but more like keeping an eye on going forward because the red line appears in the 24th episode unlike previous seasons.

>Regardless I'm going to be dropping my reviews on Growing Up is Hard to do late tomorrow and the Big Mac Question whenever you replied to that to prolong discussion (not withstanding repling to some of your points here)
alright,perfect because I have had enough time to reply your previous reviews

>Whatever the final I it'll probably be the longest review I've ever written.
one of the reasons I have written this post is because there will be another treatment for the last material of this gen, making things even more special (and complicated) than usual.

>It's post FiM. The moment of truth...
and it´s a new one for the fanbase in general. No one knows what´s going to happen next except for future IDW releases in this post gen 4 period.


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>>4738
>Ending soon.
This feels so weird. Is it weird to not be a fan and hate the fandom mostly but still feel sad that it's leaving?

Have an honorary pone then.


Anon 10/08/2019 (Tue) 20:23:32 [Preview] No.4740 [X] del >>4741
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>>4739
>This feels so weird.
I have seen weirder things though, in this board without going that far I have witnessed quite strange events.

But yeah, this situation was certainly unexpected from your part and it´s not the first time that I comment this to you.

>Is it weird to not be a fan and hate the fandom mostly but still feel sad that it's leaving?
that term is called "fan of the fandom" which means that you are not following this because you consume show content directly but more because of the community. You are a rare case though because most those fans appeared in the early era and because everyone saw this show as the latest trend and they jumped onto the bandwagon for 4/5 years.

Still, it´s curious that you are witnessing the ending instead of the beginning where ponies were posted everywhere on the internet.
I am far from a psychologist but I imply that you feel that slight sadness because an "annoying" thing like ponies has engaged you more than expected because of two active users from an imageboard of this kind. As you have been lurking this board among your favorite picks to visit, you have spent more time than usual and some kind of attachment has been subtly built up among the shitposts.

To a lesser extent, you could feel that way because we are reviewing these last episodes and trust me, they are going to be hard to review. Not only because of the show is ending but also because there is some controversy that one has to be pciky towards it.

Not a really funny event to deal with but it was bound to happen either way.


Anon 10/08/2019 (Tue) 20:36:58 [Preview] No.4741 [X] del >>4742>>4769
>>4740
>Still, it´s curious that you are witnessing the ending instead of the beginning where ponies were posted everywhere on the internet.
I actually still see pony cameos pretty often in non brony spaces.

>that term is called "fan of the fandom" which means that you are not following this because you consume show content directly but more because of the community.
Woah dude I'm not willing to go that far dude hold on dude stop it dude slow down dude... maybe a little

>I am far from a psychologist but I imply that you feel that slight sadness because an "annoying" thing like ponies has engaged you more than expected because of two active users from an imageboard of this kind.
yeah, you're somebody who needs one! BURN XD

2BH I think it's that because, even if your fandom were mostly degenerate manbabies and other oddballs it's always been a presence in my life somehow someway for awhile. You aren't the first I've shitposted with though it is far less hostile than others.


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>>4741
>I actually still see pony cameos pretty often in non brony spaces.
I am not going to deny that.In fact, we had reported that Bernie Sanders talked about ponies on TV and the fact that Magic The Gathering has released official (not photoshopped nor emulated fan content) cards in the newest deck (only 4 of them but still). So yeah, they have become more like a pop culture thing and I have seen several pony avatars out there.

What I meant with that phrase is that ponies are not the hottest thing anymore (after season 5 one would notice this), hence you don´t see cringy videos nor much drama about them after 2014/15. It has cooled down a lot and if someone has them out there, it´s because they are either fans or simply they like the designs of the popular characters.

>Woah dude I'm not willing to go that far dude hold on dude stop it dude slow down dude
I am slowing down but you don´t seem to do so with these expressions...

>maybe a little
I see

>you're somebody who needs one!
I didn´t expect that...

BUT nobody expectsThe Spanish Inquisition

>2BH I think it's that because, even if your fandom were mostly degenerate manbabies and other oddballs it's always been a presence in my life somehow someway for awhile
cringy content has always existed and I am not going to deny that those events have happened. However, I haven´t dealt with that part of the fandom all that muc. I am not projecting, it´s simply that I joined late to the party (relatively, around summer 2014 I happened to challenge myself to watch the show before the ending of that summer because of personal boredom) and I haven´t seen those stereotypes of loud fans (keep in mind that I mostly have seen the /mlp/4chan side of it) and I would tell that they are more depressed than one might expect at first sight.

>You aren't the first I've shitposted with though it is far less hostile than others.
I have been lurking the chans for 5 years and while I don´t see myself like an oldfag at all, I´ve got to know how this stuff works after the first two years of experience. If you don´t have patience with these sites, you´d better avoid them like plague.

By the way, I don´t want to throw flowers at myself all the time but before knowing who you are dealing with, you might want to know that despite the MLP content, the chan spirit is still there.

You have lurked on /b/ for a long time,right? This little story might catch your attention: >>3114, >>3115. If a GET of that kind no longer impresses me,the practice of shitposting/trolling in a board does that to a much lesser extent.

>>4739
>Have an honorary pone then.
thanks for the gesture


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Growing Up is Hard to Do.

This is another good episode. I enjoyed seeing the CMC as adults and thought they were designed pretty well. Not over deigned or bland and generic. The plot was fine enough. The CMC saw adulthood as not something vested with responsibility but as something that granted them agency to do want they wanted, with a secondary lesson in maturity not always aligning with age in the case of Spur in her reluctance to taking Boofy to Appleloosa County Fair and with a little help taking control of the situation. Which is typical plot but it's the treat of seeing the CMC as adults and strength of the characters is all it whats puts this into good territory. I only have a slight critique with how the CMC acted, as they almost seemed too immature for their character development and this point but we have seen them bicker over the last couple of seasons in a still pretty childish manner so it's more of me slightly questioning it over saying their character's were disfigured beyond belief. Being Big is All it Takes was probably one of the stronger songs the CMC have had in the later seasons (but it still pales in comparison to Babs Seed!).

8.4/10

Other notes:
I have some minor questions on the CMC ages after this episode, as I would think they had them sort of in tween territory with plots of their independence and changing interests from childish things. Yet here we see too lanky ponies behave in such a way that's still too young for all but an 13 year old yet say the CMC are younger then them (CMC = 9 10ish Spur and Biscuit = 11 13ish?) Not a big deal but it is something that has some small implications with this and the way the CMC acted being slightly more like younger kids than where I thought they had they implied the CMC had aged too.

Twilight Sparkle doing a magical study for a friend? What it this season 2?

Wishing flower is a small but cool element. Even if it never appears again it could still be fun to mess with in fiction. (Reminds me of the wishing plant from the obscure star wars ewokes cartoon, though obviously that probably had no influence on it),

Sweetie Belle was extremely rude to herself!


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Okay. Now for the one big background observation: SINCE WHEN CAN SWEETIE BELLE TELEPORT!

This is significant to me because for one of the few things that has been relatively consistent in the series on magic was the implication that teleportation was a vary high level feat. I do not think it was till season 5(?) that we had not seen anypony else teleport besides Twilight Sparkle, Celestia and Sunset Shimmer. From that point I'm trying to recall of any instances of a pony who was not at least somewhat magically gifted and though season 5 through 7 are a bit more of a blur to me I do not think we've seen anypony violate this rule. From an in universe perspective what does this mean? Does it mean Sweetie is magically gifted? Has she been shown to have done anything beyond a some latter season moderately advanced feats Rarity did before (though perhaps Rarity maybe more of above average and not a benchmark for what an average unicorn could do with skill). There is a possible cannon path with the whole somewhat vague "magical power is based is on what you feel" but still sense visiting that there has been both implications of feats based on skill and someone who is naturally powerful/gifted in the show. Maybe their is some instance I'm missing but from what I can recall this is still pretty surprising given what all we know and have seen.

The out of universe reason: I just think the show staff wanted to have Sweetie Belle teleport.


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>>4739
For the nice guesture I will return it with this.


Anon 10/09/2019 (Wed) 06:47:05 [Preview] No.4753 [X] del >>4758>>4764
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>>4738
>hey, go ahead if you want because I have no problems at all except for the fact that I might not give it a proper attention or replies to comment about it with justice at the time because of having a preference towards the canon content first.
I may post a bit of ground work new general but I think I'll wait to actually posting the meat of it after. It'd be better to post on the show and I think it maybe good to post a fic after we have gotten over the initial shock as therapy as oppose to rushing before and it being a burden to reply to after 100+ posts of freaking out over the end (be it positive or negative.)

Goodnight /endpone/. Have much more to say but ran outta steam. I will get to it tommorow (maybe giving you some space to reply to everything first)


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>>4753
>I may post a bit of ground work new general but I think I'll wait to actually posting the meat of it after.
alright, whatever you see convenient for delivering your content.

>It'd be better to post on the show and I think it maybe good to post a fic after we have gotten over the initial shock as therapy as oppose to rushing before and it being a burden to reply to after 100+ posts of freaking out over the end (be it positive or negative.)
yeah, that sounds fairly reasonable but still, it´s up to what you feel like doing on this place in the end.

>Have much more to say but ran outta steam. I will get to it tommorow (maybe giving you some space to reply to everything first)
I have replied to the other thread tonight and I think that I am delivering my reviews after you have written the one for ep 23 (I have a very different perspective yet a more positive one for Growing Up is A Hard Thing To do that I have yet to think about before typing it here).

So yeah, there is time for this and we have arrived before the finale airs officially in the US. So, we are not definitely arriving late at all in comparison to the rest of the fanbase despite having Endchan shutdown in August.

>>4758
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Alright, the Big Mac Question.

This was a great episode with a haunting end I almost can't stand. Loved the "reality show" interview format and the jumping around of perspectives. Big Macintosh and Sugar Belle both planing overly elaborate proposals at once I will admit was kind of a cute way to get the cast of characters they had all involved. It felt like that nearly everyone got at least one moment without it feeling overcrowded at all (compare to 2,4,6 Greaaat, which could've been a bit better ep if they had given the development starved Student 6 a bit more time). I loved the various perspectives and antics, with my favorite being Discord and his Apples. Why these brought me so much joy I do not know but I loved them running around chasing chaos and even their little cameo at the end. Though that ending though was beautiful, but the tone of it gave me a melancholy feeling that I almost couldn't stand. Which is probably what it was supposed to do. The whole wedding and the symbolism of lose ends being tied and things coming to an end and also a certain perspective on life that I'm not sure I want to go into and gives me a certain feel on the real end of the show, but I won't go into it till we see it if it's true then it could count as a spoiler Still cool that they actually squeezed the wedding in there.

None the less it was a good episode: 8.9/10

So, we say goodbye to the last completely normal episode of the show. In a way, do to the fact it was the last episode it may not count as thee last normal episode do to the fact that it is the last and had a bit of an air of finality to it. Oh man, you won't believe how emotional I feel right now, and this isn't even the real final!
Then again, in maybe in part eternal factors that I won't mention at the moment.

Other observations:
Yeah, I'm just going to focus on this one thing. Different creatures in nature to the ones in issue 32 33 of the comics there is certainly similarities between the two, to the point where it would surprise if they hadn't taken any influence from the this comic arch. Speaking of comics and the show...

Granny Smith's dreaming Star Trek related adventures also was another thing that I loved. Makes me want to write something based on it.

Ms Cake played a background roll but had a lot more lines than we've seen in awhile. When is the last time her husband has any lines?


Anon 10/10/2019 (Thu) 02:43:37 [Preview] No.4768 [X] del >>4778
What is this bussiness with MLP comics being season 10?
https://www.equestriadaily.com/2019/10/nycc-interview-bobby-curnow-on-my.html

Now, I say, on the one hoof it is nice to get some stuff after season 9. Though this does make me question. Can I take this as cannon? Can I regard post season 9 questions awnsered here actually awnsered? I don't know. I know they have said the comic is canon unless it contradicts the show and somethings from the comic have found their way into the show, but generally the plotlines haven't touched even ones that don't contradict the show still have call backs to ones who don't or would be hard to reconcile. Specifically, this from the interview catches me attention.
>Q: So I actually have another question for you. Is the series you're going to want to take place within the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, comic book series straight from IDW, or is it going to be its own separate comic book series.

"BC: We're going to keep the same numbering. I, personally, really want to get to that hundred number. We're close to it, so why not do it. We want to make it clear to retailers that, who've supported the series, that you keep coming to the same place. It's not a jumping off flip point , but we are going to be clearly branding it on the covers and in publicity and media that this is season 10, that this is the place to go to get the continuing stories of Twilight and all of our other favorite ponies."
It's looks to be more of a branding maneuver. So... I wonder how this is all going to work. Will this still make comic canon call backs to stuff that doesn't fit? Even then some things could get weird with stuff like the parallel universes and some implications from the issues I have seen. Though perhaps I am not at a state where I can render a judgment since I haven't followed them religiously.


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>>4764
>yeah, that sounds fairly reasonable but still, it´s up to what you feel like doing on this place in the end.
Had something happen so yeah, it actually is easier on me.

>So yeah, there is time for this and we have arrived before the finale airs officially in the US. So, we are not definitely arriving late at all in comparison to the rest of the fanbase despite having Endchan shutdown in August.
We are doing pretty good knock on wood! I feel like regardless what happens, we where here for the full end of FiM!

>the animation errors always deliver really funny thoughts....I would feel weird towards that pic as well
I wonder if that counts as an error or something that is proper under the principles of squash and stretch, it's a mid movement awkward frame still. I just happened to pause it there and found it funny.

>>4758
What idea?

>>4741
>2BH I think it's that because, even if your fandom were mostly degenerate manbabies and other oddballs it's always been a presence in my life somehow someway for awhile. You aren't the first I've shitposted with though it is far less hostile than others.
I get this with other things, though

> maybe a little
pic related


Anon 10/10/2019 (Thu) 22:45:21 [Preview] No.4773 [X] del >>4787
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I have just watched these two episodes again and it seems that I am not going to have a big trouble reviewing these ones because they are both amazing and deliver a good time. We were worried about the quality dropping before this season and ending in a bad note but it has become visible that the show is going to leave us behind with standout fireworks in the slice of life department at least.
Growing Up is Hard To Do
>>4747
>This is another good episode.
I would say exemplary for its premise.

>I enjoyed seeing the CMC as adults and thought they were designed pretty well. Not over deigned or bland and generic.
as far as I am concerned, I do notice that the adult designs do a real favor to Sweetie Belle and Apple Bloom (especially the former) while Scootaloo, while fine to my eyes, doesn´t stand out that much to me. Still, I agree that their designs felt pretty natural from the very beginning, so no problems here.

>The CMC saw adulthood as not something vested with responsibility but as something that granted them agency to do want they wanted, with a secondary lesson in maturity not always aligning with age in the case of Spur in her reluctance to taking Boofy to Appleloosa County Fair and with a little help taking control of the situation
>but it's the treat of seeing the CMC as adults and strength of the characters is all it whats puts this into good territory.
I want to add a little bit more of depth. I have watched in the past, several cartoons that developed an exaggerated story for the characters involved, getting the plot into really outlandish situations.I appreciate this episode a little bit more because everything here has felt pretty organic, the problems the CMC have had to face are no exception from anyone else

They have exposed with Being Big Is All It Takes the advantages of reaching that age yet I have had that fear of the show going to an extreme route of disgrace for them. However, the problems they have faced were realistic. All the advice that the big sisters (AJ, Rarity and RD) were shown in some way later down the plot (while building up the plot device) and the two major problems were: getting lost and not being responsible enough of your own actions. That´s it, the plot didn´t go that far in the change and it simply showed what the growth implies. Sure Luffy causing chaos to Appleloosa was a chaotic one but it was easy to solve and it could have been prevented with a proper advice and I love that gesture of not getting too out of hand (unlike the old Spike abuse episodes) just because the CMC were illusioned about going to the fair. Also, another little detail was how little surprise Fluttershy and Twilight showed in their reactions towards this peculiar situation (they have seen a lot of things since TS came into Ponyville so this proves how experienced they are)

I admire how this episode fixes those mistakes from the past and how everything flows correctly,nor too dramatic nor showing adulthood like a pinkish thing,just simply facing a plausible problem that could have happened to anyone else. This lack of forced extreme situations leaves more space for the message to shine
>they almost seemed too immature for their character development and this point but we have seen them bicker over the last couple of seasons in a still pretty childish manner
along with the (a little bit) forced plot device, they have shown their childish dreams during the fair, I agree. However, I do believe that it shows how true Walt Disney was: "Your dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway." It doesn´t mean that adults cannot have fun (in fact, they were having fun in this modernized town of Appleloosa) but I do believe that it makes sense that the writers strengthen that childish mindset in favor of exposing that lack of responsibility..

>Being Big is All it Takes was probably one of the stronger songs the CMC have had in the later seasons (but it still pales in comparison to Babs Seed!)
it was solid,I cannot argue with that

>8.4/10
I could raise a little bit more the score


Anon 10/10/2019 (Thu) 22:59:40 [Preview] No.4774 [X] del >>4787
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>>4747
>I have some minor questions on the CMC ages after this episode, as I would think they had them sort of in tween territory with plots of their independence and changing interests from childish things. Yet here we see too lanky ponies behave in such a way that's still too young for all but an 13 year old yet say the CMC are younger then them (CMC = 9 10ish Spur and Biscuit = 11 13ish?) Not a big deal but it is something that has some small implications with this and the way the CMC acted being slightly more like younger kids than where I thought they had they implied the CMC had aged too.
they have aged though just that the episode (it looks like I am the advocate for the writers) has focused more on the fact that they haven´t assumed their circumstances. They have grown up and they didn´t take badly intended decisions for the problem created and they have tried to fixed it for themselves as well (other characters could have committed that mistake as well).

Spur served as a reference of taking more care about the decisions and serve as a role model for the CMC to follow. Sure, they were teenagers and the age isn´t all that big but Spur had more knowledge about Luffy´s nature than the CMC had. These are little details to point out but I do believe that the CMC have shown signs of maturity in the ending by acknowledging their young age or their little circles before taking a decision. Despite their mistakes, they haven´t acted stupidly nor have left the logic aside, I am simply interpreting that the writers have wanted the price of going so far with their dreams at the expense of getting past of other relevant factors.

>Twilight Sparkle doing a magical study for a friend? What it this season 2?
considering her nerdy nature, I wouldn´t be surprised at all.

>Wishing flower is a small but cool element. Even if it never appears again it could still be fun to mess with in fiction. (Reminds me of the wishing plant from the obscure star wars ewokes cartoon, though obviously that probably had no influence on it)
like the truth amulet in Daring Doubt,these are really juicy objects that can lead to interesting plot devices

>Sweetie Belle was extremely rude to herself
eeeyup, the self criticism came the hardest from her own character (ironically enough, she was the one whose VA changed the voice the most because the change in age)


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>>4748
>SINCE WHEN CAN SWEETIE BELLE TELEPORT!
well, there you have it.It´s finally here.

>one of the few things that has been relatively consistent in the series on magic was the implication that teleportation was a vary high level feat. I do not think it was till season 5(?) that we had not seen anypony else teleport besides Twilight Sparkle, Celestia and Sunset Shimmer.
wow, you have really taken notes in this regard. I do see it as something really inconsistent to judge and except for highly advanced spells of power or something really visible in terms of energy, I cannot wrap up my mind at all for this topic. Honestly, I haven´t spent my thoughts on this and much less having the ability to justify my opinions towards it to other anons.

>From an in universe perspective what does this mean? Does it mean Sweetie is magically gifted? Has she been shown to have done anything beyond a some latter season moderately advanced feats Rarity did before (though perhaps Rarity maybe more of above average and not a benchmark for what an average unicorn could do with skill).
there are little stories that we don´t know and keep in mind that a few years have passed in that universe. I can say that SB stopped claiming herself as a kid to Rarity in Forever Filly. I am trying to justify a magic topic with a mental development but I suppose it could serve you as a reference if you are all that invested at guessing when she learned this.

>There is a possible cannon path with the whole somewhat vague "magical power is based is on what you feel" but still sense visiting that there has been both implications of feats based on skill and someone who is naturally powerful/gifted in the show. Maybe their is some instance I'm missing but from what I can recall this is still pretty surprising given what all we know and have seen.
yeah well, the emotions do come into play for this and not all the ponies reach the levels that we are used to seeing in this show.

>The out of universe reason: I just think the show staff wanted to have Sweetie Belle teleport.
without going further than inconsistent lore, I believe that having Sweetie Belle as an adult, the fact that she felt like using magic in an emergent situation and the little detail that she touched her own horn after casting that teleportation spell (probably hurting her a bit)... it seems like a plausible moment to bring that spell onto her character.


Anon 10/10/2019 (Thu) 23:57:08 [Preview] No.4776 [X] del >>4787
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Having replied to the last CMC episode, the last slice of life episode from this generation comes next...and it´s a real banger. I can´t add much more than what´s been said but it´s a wonderfully executed episode. If you are familiar with the Saddle Row Review and Brotherhooves Social, this episode mixes both and the expected wedding finishes the 9 year cycle of this gen.

Time to say goodbye.

The Big Mac Question.

>>4767
>This was a great episode with a haunting end I almost can't stand.Loved the "reality show" interview format and the jumping around of perspectives.
if the CMC episode wasn´t good enough, this one goes further into the comedy (established in a reality show format a la Saddle Row Review) and huge emotional feelings during the end. I can imagine a lot of ans being loss of words towards this one.

>I will admit was kind of a cute way to get the cast of characters they had all involved.It felt like that nearly everyone got at least one moment without it feeling overcrowded at all
absolutely and the best of all is that they all play an integral part for the story, how they create that mess for themselves yet they drove to that spontaneous resolution....all the parts come together and this collage of actions between the active characters, is just really close to a flawless execution. Hands down the staff has taken a lot of care for this episode.

>(compare to 2,4,6 Greaaat, which could've been a bit better ep if they had given the development starved Student 6 a bit more time)
it´s unrelated to this episode but this is an actual flaw that the students do have yet their detractors only point out the easy targets that surround them. Nice observation there, especially for Ocellus. Anyway, back to the episode.

>I loved the various perspectives and antics, with my favorite being Discord and his Apples.Why these brought me so much joy I do not know but I loved them running around chasing chaos and even their little cameo at the end.
Discord has shown a really great dynamic with both Spike and Big Mac since Dungeons and Discords, they have nailed it at finding a place in these slice of life episodes. He has shone way more here than in the Summer Sun Setback because his chaotic decisions, while not badly intended,have contributed a lot for the main problem. His mix of laziness for putting the apples in the proper place, the lack of indifference shown from his part when he acknowledged that he messed it up with the menacing big apple and how in his personal interview tried to excuse himself from these events; in general his antics have worked at causing more problems than intended yet giving more time for the comedy in these 22 minutes. I am not sure if this is his best episode but for sure, he has worked brilliantly here at the right time.


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>Though that ending though was beautiful, but the tone of it gave me a melancholy feeling that I almost couldn't stand. Which is probably what it was supposed to do. The whole wedding and the symbolism of lose ends being tied and things coming to an end and also a certain perspective on life that I'm not sure I want to go into and gives me a certain feel on the real end of the show
>Still cool that they actually squeezed the wedding in there.
the words that one could express from those last minutes are priceless. While it´s not the biggest impact that this show has offered to me (the CMC getting their cutie marks in the 5th anniversary still has the crown), it surely serves as a great reminder of how magical this show is.Moments like these are what you wouldn´t expect from a show of this kind and getting these feelings is what attaches one fan to this show so profoundly in an unexpected way. Hitting right in the feels isn´t an easy task but FiM has celebrated it for one last time (at least), wrapping the last chapters of this gen. Simply wonderful.

>None the less it was a good episode: 8.9/10
to me, I cannot rate it lower than a real highlight for this season.

>So, we say goodbye to the last completely normal episode of the show. In a way, do to the fact it was the last episode it may not count as the last normal episode do to the fact that it is the last and had a bit of an air of finality to it. Oh man, you won't believe how emotional I feel right now, and this isn't even the real final!
for now, it was worth watching this material and commenting about these emotional thoughts is kind of complicated. I would rather respect the personal attachments that one can get from this show. Even if the finale manages to disappoint us, they have managed at least to really touch the hearts from the community for one last time, right at the 9th anniversary since the show´s premiere was released.

>Different creatures in nature to the ones in issue 32 33 of the comics there is certainly similarities between the two, to the point where it would surprise if they hadn't taken any influence from the this comic arch.
oh I didn´t know that.....nice.

>Granny Smith's dreaming Star Trek related adventures also was another thing that I loved. Makes me want to write something based on it.
going through outer space with the characters who have voiced in Star Trek....this cannot be a coincidence. I wonder how she has managed to dream that. Did she take a manipulated drink or something by accident? No way she gets to sense these dreams and then having the ability to tell them so clearly.

>Ms Cake played a background roll but had a lot more lines than we've seen in awhile. When is the last time her husband has any lines?
she has indeed played a big role for the standards of her character. Whenever one could think that the traditional characters are forgotten because of the newer ones, you get Octavia getting spoken lines, Snails and Snips getting a second spotlight because of a sport and Mrs Cake for putting the stamps that Sugar Belle has ordered to her...

I can see why Mrs Cake has got more lines than her husband historically speaking and that´s because of the VA. She is voiced by Tabitha so considering how relevant and diverse she is for this show, having her for another episode that doesn´t require Luna nor Rarity does not look like a problem at all in this regard. It´s a technical justification but it could perfectly come because of writer´s ideas for not using her husband.


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>>4768
>on the one hoof it is nice to get some stuff after season 9. Though this does make me question. Can I take this as cannon? Can I regard post season 9 questions awnsered here actually awnsered? I don't know.
I stay mostly the same towards them: if they are good enough to be remembered, we will post them here and take them somewhat seriously (like the Nightmare Knights arc that has handy for the latest hiatus). If they are not good, it´s simply more content to fill the inactive periods and discuss or throw drama bait comments at each other (this works better for /mlp/)

>I know they have said the comic is canon unless it contradicts the show and somethings from the comic have found their way into the show, but generally the plotlines haven't touched even ones that don't contradict the show still have call backs to ones who don't or would be hard to reconcile. Specifically, this from the interview catches me attention.
Sombra´s arc was absolutely contradicted and the comics have had really questionable quality before /endpone/´s 2nd life in 2017. The darkest era for the comics came while Fosgitt was in the art design and oh boy, there were so many atrocious pony bodies that one couldn´t even begin (Celestia managed to get a meme out of it because she was the most ridiculous case).

While the comics add an expanded series and a few interesting characters back and forth, I look past about 90% of what they offer. I would recommend being really picky and only spending time on those which are really worth investing your time on them.

>>4769
>it actually is easier on me.
alright then

>feel like regardless what happens, we where here for the full end of FiM!
the show must go on, folks! We are ready for the final boss! Will this end well? Hopefully yes.

>it's a mid movement awkward frame still. I just happened to pause it there and found it funny.
yeah, I assumed where you were coming from with the purpose of that picture.

Anyway, phew. It´s almost over! I cannot believe that I am slightly witnessing the light at the end of the tunnel! No more dramas nor ways to mess up with this generation. The decade is ending, so does this show.

I am finishing my activity for today, meaning that I have mostly replied to what one should reply. As for the last picture, I am posting the married couple before leaving.

Goodnight /endpone/, you´d better get ready for what´s going to come out this weekend.Sleep well tonight folks, sleep well...


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Anon 10/11/2019 (Fri) 04:44:12 [Preview] No.4784 [X] del >>4790
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May not get back here before contact with the /end/ but I hope to post tommorow.

https://www.equestriadaily.com/2019/10/psa-another-friendship-is-magic-leak.html
But a final bullet has been fired.


This could be a lot of drama with whats included...


Anon 10/11/2019 (Fri) 08:32:09 [Preview] No.4785 [X] del >>4790
>>4778
I will try. Goodnight /endpone/.

>>4779
Appropriate tone after looking through a fair bit of fandom stuff on nostagia including some stuff I had forgoten Found a fic I ran into a couple times way way back that's still updating almost monthly. Ran into some forgoten projects, etc

https://youtube.com/watch?v=obJ21k3Hylo [Embed]
Here is what I leave on the table. Hopefully I'll get to reply before. Good news is I think I'll be able to watch the stream live.


Anon 10/11/2019 (Fri) 22:47:11 [Preview] No.4787 [X] del >>4789>>4790
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>>4773
> This lack of forced extreme situations leaves more space for the message to shine
It did flow pretty organically. You are entirely correct here.

>I would say exemplary for its premise.
>I could raise a little bit more the score
Imagined my scale being like:
7 = okay, to good
8 = great upper 8 closer to excellent
9 = phenomenal/amazing.
However I am devided on how much I factor in personal enjoyment versus technical execution. Still trying to figure all that out so my ratings may be subject to change. But in anycase, I think this episode is excellent.

>>4774
>they have aged though just that the episode (it looks like I am the advocate for the writers) has focused more on the fact that they haven´t assumed their circumstances. They have grown up and they didn´t take badly intended decisions for the problem created and they have tried to fixed it for themselves as well (other characters could have committed that mistake as well).
Ain't that major, but it is still a question I have. Arguably you can justify them acting this way and it didn't bug me that much, but I still think the CMC slightly too childish mentality compared to where their characters are and some confusion on the preteen age I thought they had them at. Do I think it's that a major problem? No, just a note I have that I could even be wrong on. In fact perhaps it could be justified with some of the childish bickering. It would require me to go through and look at other CMC episodes and consider their actions, and with whats coming up I think that my thoughts will be towards other characters to put it lightly .

>>4775
Funny enough I've seen some others notice this and wonder if it was a bit more purposeful do to a joke that I hadn't thought about from the first part of the ep when Apple Bloom asked sweetie, "are you sure you're not Twilight's sister?". It's a bit of a stretch but I can't fully disregard it as impossible that perhaps they were hinting a bit at something.

>>4776
>Time to say goodbye.
This line alone is haunting.

>if the CMC episode wasn´t good enough, this one goes further into the comedy (established in a reality show format a la Saddle Row Review) and huge emotional feelings during the end. I can imagine a lot of ans being loss of words towards this one.
Yep, I almost gave it a 9 and perhaps I should. It gave both comedy and feels very well and it maybe one of the most haunting episodes with the end probably being the first unless they screw up real badly

>>4778
>Even if the finale manages to disappoint us, they have managed at least to really touch the hearts from the community for one last time, right at the 9th anniversary since the show´s premiere was released.
Indeed they did. I have so many thoughts I still want to say for this episode like Discord's hippo friend Dolores! but the final is making its way here fast. At least I gave one last normal reply before FiM's end and our prep/processing of it.


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>>4787
>I am devided on how much I factor in personal enjoyment versus technical execution.
it´s quite complicated to sum up your thought into a number. I do beleive that the comments themselves add much more to what you actually feel than the score itself. Lots of people commit the mistake of mixing personal enjoyment with critical thoughts towards this material and I am one of those sinners that judge with the emotions (sorry for those who are looking for an unbiased view)

You haven´t only exposed this problem for judging the episodes but also for rating the fics posted around here. It´s a difficult topic by itself but at least, acknowledging that there is room to improve for this task, it sounds like a good humble sign from the biased reviewer.

>Still trying to figure all that out so my ratings may be subject to change.
yeah, opinions change over time and those ratings simply reflect what you felt towards that episode at the time you posted that message. It doesn´t mean that we are all looking at them with pure maths but at least, they work as a quick reference.

>you can justify them acting this way and it didn't bug me that much, but I still think the CMC slightly too childish mentality compared to where their characters are and some confusion on the preteen age I thought they had them at.
>It would require me to go through and look at other CMC episodes and consider their actions, and with whats coming up I think that my thoughts will be towards other characters to put it lightly
I have tried to give an explanation yet the fact that we are discussing with this much of a detail....you know, I am seriously considering that reviewing this show has felt more complicated than delivering political thoughts to me. No kidding but some fans are really picky towards small details and there is a point where I cannot comment all that much unless I spend extra time for it. Who said that a slice of life show that doesn´t have any filler could be even harder to judge than a show with ups and downs in filler?

If you manage to counter my argument with that subtle evolution in their maturity, props to you for taking that effort.

>I hadn't thought about from the first part of the ep when Apple Bloom asked sweetie, "are you sure you're not Twilight's sister?". It's a bit of a stretch but I can't fully disregard it as impossible that perhaps they were hinting a bit at something.
wow, I didn´t notice that line either. Trust me that I didn´t have that idea because of that question, just simply trying to explain the circumstance around that action.

>I almost gave it a 9 and perhaps I should. It gave both comedy and feels very well and it maybe one of the most haunting episodes
I said that it felt like a continuation of Brotherhooves Social: comedy and peculiar situations during its development, emotional moments at the ending. These two episodes by having Big Mac as the main focus by the way.

>I have so many thoughts I still want to say for this episode like Discord's hippo friend Dolores!
watch out! The bridges are coming in the middle of the chaos! Brace yourselves!

>but the final is making its way here fast. At least I gave one last normal reply before FiM's end and our prep/processing of it.
like time, it comes and goes really fast. We are ending this decade and boy, 10 years is a huge period. From a meme that went too far to marking the history of the internet permanently, even in the animation industry. The unexpected part was not only the fanbase....but the brave movement of the show changing and growing older along with its fans. Not all of them have stayed in the ride (whether it´s from personal troubles or the dislike towards those changes) but a few fortunate ones have managed to get here and experience the last weekend of gen 4.

Mr Bones, you said that the ride never ended but Equestria has decided to carry you into its own ending.


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>>4785
>Here is what I leave on the table
you know what´s funny? I think this might be the first pony fan music that I have listened completely (besides Legends of Equestria´s OST)....consider this as an achievement. It´s quite catchy and I like that it´s focused on EDM (a little bit rockish in that middle part, sounding almost like new wave). So yeah, I have managed to give it a few spins while writing this.A pleasant listen overall.

now...

>>4787
>This line alone is haunting.
>>4785
>Appropriate tone after looking through a fair bit of fandom stuff on nostagia including some stuff I had forgoten

I didn´t post this >>4779 by accident because I had it reserved for months (you might have seen this cover art at some point in a thread). I thought about posting it after the finale, when everything is over but I saw a better moment to post it just before the final event.

Not because of the 9th anniversary, but because it´s really fitting how >>4778 the light coming from the pear tree is even more mystical and intimate than what we might get tomorrow. Considering that we are in a down to earth position before taking off with a complete hour of extraordinary events, this felt like the proper moment to get ready and see all the achievements made before the fanbase leaves the highway and the likelihood of never coming back after the ending.

I also find a huge relief that we are done at the reviews because discussing this show is a harder exercise than any outsider could have ever imagined from this colorful animated series.

While a lot of sadness (and controversies/dramas with this >>4784 as well) might come after this Saturday, I appreciate personally that we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and leaving gen 4 in peace....together.


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>>4790
It's really haunting right now. It's been an honor and fun to be here. About to go on a small outing so this is probably my last post before tomorrow...


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>>4791
same to you Bridgefag. Put the stars and the stripes from your flag as well during this weekend.

It's been an honor to be here and post all this content. Have fun tonight and after getting a last breath...


...face the last day of our ride.


Goodnight /endpone/.


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>>3893
Preparing for final attack run /endpone/! We have made contact with fate.


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Hopefully the final will be great. Even if it's not, I'll still be happy that the show lasted way past all but the most blindly optimistic thought back in the days of 2011 and 12.


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I'll try to post during the livestream at least a couple of times. Not sure if I'll get too caught up in the final though.


Anon 10/12/2019 (Sat) 22:50:40 [Preview] No.4797 [X] del >>4798
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weirdly I've felt happy of all things throughout all of this. Some feelings of fear and or sadness but I actually feel... optimistic.


Anon 10/12/2019 (Sat) 22:52:36 [Preview] No.4798 [X] del
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>>4797
maybe I've just snapped.


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I've been going through old stuff from the fandom and feel nostalgic, though there is something else there that I can't identify. Fan labor wiki especially feels like a time capsule it's mostly unupdated, yet there is scattered stuff that is sometimes updated and they have made relations with a newer wiki that was formed in the last couple of years.


Anon 10/12/2019 (Sat) 23:07:13 [Preview] No.4800 [X] del
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alright, breaking the chain of twily with AJ and taking a break. (I'm glad AJ got out of her goth phase).


Anon 10/12/2019 (Sat) 23:10:22 [Preview] No.4801 [X] del >>5311>>5312
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the finale...







...is good







....we are growing older, time is passing and like death, this life ends....


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Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 00:05:56 [Preview] No.4803 [X] del
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Its happening. Watching now! Making final attack run!


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 00:07:32 [Preview] No.4804 [X] del
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 00:10:48 [Preview] No.4805 [X] del
Racism plot? Discord...


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 00:12:51 [Preview] No.4806 [X] del
saw some scenes in preview. wow this looks like it could be intense!


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 00:15:35 [Preview] No.4807 [X] del
discord logic almost makes sense...


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 00:18:03 [Preview] No.4808 [X] del
this is better then the oppening so far...


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 00:26:48 [Preview] No.4809 [X] del
CANTERLOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 00:46:00 [Preview] No.4810 [X] del
pinkie and the brain!


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 00:56:45 [Preview] No.4811 [X] del
beautiful end of two parter...


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 01:00:37 [Preview] No.4812 [X] del
now for the real last ep...


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 01:22:26 [Preview] No.4813 [X] del >>4814
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I'm overwhelmed.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 01:28:16 [Preview] No.4814 [X] del >>4816
>>4813
It really is, Bridgefag....

it's amazingly hard how to find the proper feelings towards this.It's a mix of everything and the book is already closed. Nobody knows where we are going nor what we are going to do...

they have left us,we have left them and gen 4 has ended its mission


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 01:51:17 [Preview] No.4815 [X] del >>4817>>4819
I didn't watch the stream along with the rest of the community because I believed that I was going to be sleeping by the time I am posting this reply. I am sorry for not sharing with you simultaneous reactions.

I.... I don't think that these messages matter all that much to the rest of the people,these words are going to be lost in the tears in the rain.

However,I haven't managed to sleep and find comfort with myself,I simply cannot look past towards an event like this. I watched the ending before the official airing and these extremely rare thoughts of sadness and resignation have made stay awake,trying to find a solution and a little bit of hope with myself.

Nobody is going to pay attention to you as much as I do and I know what you are feeling right now.It's certainly unbearable,touching and really diverse yet you cannot pick what emotion sticks with you the most.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 02:04:38 [Preview] No.4816 [X] del >>4828
>>4814
I don't know how to feel. Its such a huge mix. Completeness, yet some parts of discontentment. This is going to be a hard review.

Though man, threatening to pluck off spike's wings was hard core!


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 02:09:48 [Preview] No.4817 [X] del >>4828
>>4815
>However,I haven't managed to sleep and find comfort with myself,I simply cannot look past towards an event like this. I watched the ending before the official airing and these extremely rare thoughts of sadness and resignation have made stay awake,trying to find a solution and a little bit of hope with myself.
I have words to say later. I sort of know this feel becuase last night I stayed up till 7am and this was on my mind.

>I didn't watch the stream along with the rest of the community because I believed that I was going to be sleeping by the time I am posting this reply. I am sorry for not sharing with you simultaneous reactions.
Don't be. I didn't expect anyone else here, but I just did because I did with the premiere of this season.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 02:14:10 [Preview] No.4818 [X] del >>4821
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so I want to post these thoughts so you can find a little bit o relief and empathy because of this ending.

It's over,this generation is truly over and the book has decided to write its last page,closing it by the back of it. There isn't more space for anything else,everything has been written and any attempt to change this....is completely useless. This show has come and gone in the exact same way for 9 entire years.

However,instead of focusing in the pessimistic thoughts,I have had a couple of hours for processing the step of the acceptance while you were watching the stream.

We have closed the 4th book of MLP. What does this mean? There is a 5th one to fill and write with a paper completely white. We have only read the most successful one out of the 4.5 ones that have been published in the past.

This means that when does the ride truly end? Let me tell you that if people doesn't want it to end,it won't end because of those who wanted this franchise to stay alive for 6 seasons more than expected (including a movie and a spinoff).

The actual ending for this franchise is the consumer. You are alive,so do I. The most important thing in this world is that you get to have a good health in order to enjoy this content,feel these thoughts and find new lessons/things over time that you hadn't noticed before. The rest will come and go but at least,you manage to live this experience to its fullest until your body says enough.

And I am glad that we have been alive for watching and living this magical moment. It's finally happened and we never thought that we could reach the actual ending. One should feel proud,giving ourselves a hug because there are fans who have sadly died during this ride/decade and haven't had the chance to see this final episode unfortunately.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 02:15:21 [Preview] No.4819 [X] del >>4828
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>>4815
Take some time off from posting L23 and get some sleep. I'll hold down the fort.

>Nobody is going to pay attention to you as much as I do and I know what you are feeling right now.It's certainly unbearable,touching and really diverse yet you cannot pick what emotion sticks with you the most.
I know. Part of me thought it was beautiful. Part of me didn't like some aspects, but I'm not sure if it's sadness of the show ending or the actual lines of criticism. Part of me feels a strange comfort, part of me feels a fear, and the rest is just tired.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 02:27:41 [Preview] No.4820 [X] del >>4822>>4828>>/undefined/
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and one last post before I try to sleep is that...

the message has worked as well. The final message is that it has a price and there is a maintenance that one has to keep.One should keep asking what should be coming next and I am asking myself what have we done to stay here and apply the same morals without noticing them.

Without reviewing this finale....I am glad that a part of the internet has found this show and taken it as a reference,like a guide in a world where the old values are lost. Children are spending their childhoods in a different manner withkut watchi g cartoons yet adults like us have found a show that was supposed to be a meme....and have the ability to guide us for a better world.

A good meme that has turned into a part of the internet. All the fanbase has been involved in this and it's really amazing how this has turned out.

I am nust saying these words in order to tranfer a slight optimism towards this situation and not let that sadness to take over the brain all the time. I believe that I am feeling a little bit better after posting this.


Find your own peace Bridgefag. I have to say goodnight for now.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 02:35:25 [Preview] No.4821 [X] del >>4830>>4832
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>>4818
>It's over,this generation is truly over and the book has decided to write its last page,closing it by the back of it. There isn't more space for anything else,everything has been written and any attempt to change this....is completely useless
AUs can still be fun, but yes.

>This means that when does the ride truly end? Let me tell you that if people doesn't want it to end,it won't end because of those who wanted this franchise to stay alive for 6 seasons more than expected (including a movie and a spinoff).
I don't want it to end either. I tell you this. I'm not sure if the fandom will maintain its current level, I'm not sure if one of the piller sights will shut down, but I tell you, if the tiny pre-gen4 adult fandom could maintain too forums with daily postings to this day then somewhere out there our fandom will survive. Another thing? I sort of played this song and dance before, with the one other fandom I felt attached to as a community... Bioicle. It ended, well, I think nearly 10 years ago and to this very day their are still fan projects being made, from 3 hour stop motion movies to revivals of old bioicle games, though tbh, I consider our skills subpar and amaturish in some of this . Even had a questionable short lived reboot. If that fandom can still be making stuff then our fandom certainly will!

>And I am glad that we have been alive for watching and living this magical moment. It's finally happened and we never thought that we could reach the actual ending.
Again, season 8, season 9, considered realm of fan fiction. I remember around season 6 seeing FlimFlamFilosphy (guy who made rainbow dash presents and Mentally Advanced Series) shocked the show got renewed. I remember in 2012 seeing a fic about all of us leaving on the spaceship to the real equestria and people attitude that "it sure be awesome if the show could last that long!" And it did. God bless L23, live long and prosper, because we got past that mark!

>One should feel proud,giving ourselves a hug because there are fans who have sadly died during this ride/decade and haven't had the chance to see this final episode unfortunately.
Oh man, I remember hearing of a few back in 2013...
Yes certainly.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 02:47:22 [Preview] No.4822 [X] del >>5311>>5312
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>>4820
>the message has worked as well. The final message is that it has a price and there is a maintenance that one has to keep.One should keep asking what should be coming next and I am asking myself what have we done to stay here and apply the same morals without noticing them.
It's a great moral.

>A good meme that has turned into a part of the internet. All the fanbase has been involved in this and it's really amazing how this has turned out.
It not only apart of the internet, but its own subculture. I don't mean that in "le brony 20 cooler" convention goer sort of way, but that their are certain things here that aren't common elsewhere. Little things that I even see here.

>Find your own peace Bridgefag. I have to say goodnight for now.
It's a mix, but I am turning a corner as I said, not quite my first trip around the block Goodnight /endpone/!


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 17:10:33 [Preview] No.4823 [X] del >>4824>>4825>>4826>>4829
Just finished the finale a few hours ago. Not going to lie it was actually really good, especially in comparison to how I thought it would turn out. The little episode after the finale was also surprisingly good, although I’m still not happy with the implications it has for the fandom as a whole, same could be said of most of season 9.

8/10.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rShiDT-Pp_A [Embed]


飛翔 ルーラー #gIRIl+ 10/13/2019 (Sun) 17:27:43 [Preview] No.4824 [X] del >>4825>>4827>>4849
>>4823
I also really the finale.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:17:23 [Preview] No.4825 [X] del
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>>4823
>it was actually really good, especially in comparison to how I thought it would turn out.
it was that great. However, I try to avoid any expectations towards the episodes and judge them directly from what they offer, not from what I expect them to do for me. I committed that mistake once and boy, I surely got disappointed that time.

>I’m still not happy with the implications it has for the fandom as a whole, same could be said of most of season 9.
what do you mean? The implications that we are all leaving as well and getting a bad gen 5?

I don´t know but I only wanted to see this gen having a high mark or at least, a decent one for saying goodbye because most shows fall in quality over time.......but it has proven to be an exception. I cannot ask for more than that.

>>4824
nice


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:30:43 [Preview] No.4826 [X] del
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>>4823
Glad you liked it anon. My thoughts on it are still emerging It was a perfect as a final, but I'm a bit iffy on some aspects of the story.

I salute you as well!


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:52:08 [Preview] No.4827 [X] del
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I salute you too... whoever you are!


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:57:33 [Preview] No.4828 [X] del >>4831
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>>4816
>Its such a huge mix. Completeness, yet some parts of discontentment.
I´ve felt all of that last night before going to sleep. How can one handle those feelings towards a situation of this level? Saying goodbye and having to close the last chapter of the official timeline?


>threatening to pluck off spike's wings was hard core!
little girls shows of 2019, seems legit to me that the writers have decided to write those lines for making a more juicy battle.

>>4817
>I sort of know this feel because last night I stayed up till 7am and this was on my mind.
definitely your case wasn´t all that much healthier than mine, was it?

>I didn't expect anyone else here, but I just did because I did with the premiere of this season
I had to post something because I was watching your replies and I was still undecided if I should have waited or not. In the end, I couldn´t sleep because of those thoughts and the rare case of putting my body into a mode of grey sadness that I couldn´t point out exactly what I should have thought by those moments.

I felt that I had to express my feelings and let them go, without falling into the resignation and posting a more confessional side than usual. I sometimes wonder what part is the hardest: thinking and posting those emotions or reading them in a naked state.

>>4819
>Take some time off from posting L23 and get some sleep. I'll hold down the fort.
thanks for the advice and I actually did that after posting this >>4820. I had some trouble posting the images,refreshing the page a couple of times because I typed that on mobile and there is a certain lag while loading the page (not to mention a few misspellings over there). I simply did that and I was feeling a little bit better than the previous hours after reflecting my mental condition towards this ending.

>Part of me thought it was beautiful. Part of me didn't like some aspects, but I'm not sure if it's sadness of the show ending or the actual lines of criticism. Part of me feels a strange comfort, part of me feels a fear, and the rest is just tired.
you´ve got there why I wrote those posts, I perfectly knew that this material could lead to such a diverse range of feelings that one doesn´t usually handle for almost anything. So many fans have felt like that as well but one should be listened and understand that optimism wasn´t the biggest emotion yesterday towards the future.

Fortunately enough, I have already applied the message of The Last Problem without noticing it. I had some stuff to do, I was entertained because of my friends during this afternoon and I have been listening to new musical releases. So, I have been feeling much better and I have finally visited /mlp/ after almost two months, trying to avoid all the heated reactions and spoilers.

If I had been really depressed and had found my life in an unfortunate situation, this finale would have hurt me more than it did. However,

>>4816
>This is going to be a hard review.
watching it all over again seems like a hard task for avoiding these deep grey emotions but there is the excitement that we are living in a post gen 4 era and the show staff has left us a message of moving on, facing the future we move forward towards something else.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 21:02:28 [Preview] No.4829 [X] del >>4834
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>>4823
>I don´t know but I only wanted to see this gen having a high mark or at least, a decent one for saying goodbye because most shows fall in quality over time.......but it has proven to be an exception. I cannot ask for more than that.
Even if I have some issues my emotions on it have been all over the place I'm still glad the show got so far! I do not know how G5 will go but I can be happy for FiM.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 21:16:20 [Preview] No.4830 [X] del >>4833
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>>4821
>AUs can still be fun, but yes.
what I meant there is that the fanbase hasn´t had an excuse to complain and start with new useless dramas because the standards have already been written, their headcanons are not going to appear in the "official show".

Nonetheless, while the show has closed so many paths and headcanons, it has opened lots of different ones. Never forget this line from Celestia in Celestial Advice (S07 E01): "There is no wrong way to fantasize". The base material from this universe is already established and the fun part turns out to be the endless possibilities that you can make with the rules. The Last Problem closed that chapter but Luster Down leaving meant that it´s on our own to create any story because friendship can come at any form at any moment in different ways. The world is huge, the lore comes really close to an RPG game and the characters have had lots of conflicts or different situations where their interactions could lead to the greatest story that no one has heard of, as if we were back to the background ponies era of implications and little details between them.

This show has set its own rules, admitting that My Little Pony doesn´t fear of any fanfiction at all, in fact,it encourages that route by leaving a new door open to that little student from Twilight´s school.

>I don't want it to end either. I tell you this.
I was sad because of this but then a thought sparked in my mind: it´s way worse to run an endless generation. I see the Simpsons and I definitely prefer that gen 4 has opened itself for any fanfiction yet its official series is over. Gen 5 can become more playful towards this regard but seeing how wild this gen has been, I prefer that the wilderness ends before running out of any reasons to be excited about it.

Yes,I admit that I am feeling a lot better today in comparison to my two posts from last night almost as if I am all of sudden happy to find new reasons to go further and see what comes next. But one thing is sure: gen 4 has made history and nothing will prevent that from happening......because it has already happened.

There are lots of reasons for celebrating this single fact than getting sad because of it despite having a truly emotional ending, facing it as another part of its life.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 21:40:42 [Preview] No.4831 [X] del >>4835>>4836
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>>4828
>I´ve felt all of that last night before going to sleep. How can one handle those feelings towards a situation of this level? Saying goodbye and having to close the last chapter of the official timeline?
It depends on how one holds things. You can't stand to see it go, yet you are glad that it made it over the finishline. You can't tell sadness from happines and I'm still trying to figure everything out.

>little girls shows of 2019, seems legit to me that the writers have decided to write those lines for making a more juicy battle.
I mean, why not? It's the final, might as well go all out.

>definitely your case wasn´t all that much healthier than mine, was it?
I have been getting awful sleep this week for a variety of reasons, that night however my mind was abuzz, I couldn't get it out of my head that tommorow was the end. This show has been there in the background since at least mid 2011, I remember slowly getting into it after reading the fanfics, and though I don't have an exact timeline eventually finding Fimfiction.net and the rest. Since then it has been one of the only pieces of media I watch and kept track with. It got me to try things I didn't think I would ever do and got me to protect the characters that me and my brother created when we were young. So much has gone by with it still there. Three who eras of my life. So it's freaky that it is finally closed the book.

> I sometimes wonder what part is the hardest: thinking and posting those emotions or reading them in a naked state.
It was a time to get in such a state.

>thanks for the advice and I actually did that after posting this >>4820
Good.

>Fortunately enough, I have already applied the message of The Last Problem without noticing it. I had some stuff to do, I was entertained because of my friends during this afternoon and I have been listening to new musical releases.
I have yet to apply it simply because the highlight of my day was rather boring minor emergency pluming related Awesome though that you had a good Post-FiM day.

>So, I have been feeling much better and I have finally visited /mlp/ after almost two months, trying to avoid all the heated reactions and spoilers.
Though I didn't 100% completely avoid it it's nice to read everything without worry. Nice to see some pockets of optimism and hope there amidst all the chaos.

>If I had been really depressed and had found my life in an unfortunate situation, this finale would have hurt me more than it did. However,
Oh man, if this had happened a year ago for me...


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 21:42:26 [Preview] No.4832 [X] del
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>>4821
>I'm not sure if the fandom will maintain its current level, I'm not sure if one of the piller sights will shut down
but if you look at this philosophically speaking, it´s another challenge to face that this fanbase has never had. 2010 is almost (not completely but almost) like the year zero for this phenomenon and this post gen 4 era stands as one of those questions that we will have to solve until gen 5 arrives.

>but I tell you, if the tiny pre-gen4 adult fandom could maintain too forums with daily postings to this day then somewhere out there our fandom will survive.
this community loves claiming its own doom. If fandoms had to compete in a championship of announcing its own death, bronies would be disqualified for being too good at this game. But I agree, fans of MLP have always existed since 1986.

>Another thing, I sort of played this song and dance before, with the one other fandom I felt attached to as a community... Bioicle. It ended, well, I think nearly 10 years ago and to this very day their are still fan projects being made, from 3 hour stop motion movies to revivals of old bioicle games.
>Even had a questionable short lived reboot. If that fandom can still be making stuff then our fandom certainly will!
yeah, it´s certainly comforting to hear that. I didn´t reply to this post >>4478 but

>was clearly dumbed down a bit and was trying to keep a youger demographic in mind.
>many fans were upset because they themselves had been hooked when they where I was because of the impressive depth of the world.
>fans were a bit too hard on it, because whatever final product wouldn't be their taste, but at the same time I don't think lego was able to recapture Bionicle's success with the simplification when what had caused it it was it's immersive world and relative exotic sty
reading these lines also show the challenge that both the company behind gen 5 and the fans will unavoidably face in a couple of years.

Anyway, have you stopped and checked how the Bionicle fans are going these days?

>I remember around season 6 seeing FlimFlamFilosphy (guy who made rainbow dash presents and Mentally Advanced Series) shocked the show got renewed.
I also believed that season 6 was going to be the last, claiming as if The Crystalling aired as the last opener. Honestly, it´s wonderful to check how far this show has gone and nobody in the past expected to reach such limits of this level...and that was in 2016. Wow!

>a fic about all of us leaving on the spaceship to the real equestria and people attitude that "it sure be awesome if the show could last that long!" And it did.
didn´t My Little Dashie predict this? I also saw old posts of Reddit claiming ironically that this show would air with 9 seasons. The funniest part of those speculations from passionate fans is that they have become the actual truth in the end.

>God bless L23, live long and prosper, because we got past that mark!
same to you Bridgefag. Well played folks. It´s been a great pleasure to share this ride and even surpass our own expectations.....and we are here, living a new day after the 4th gen´s closure.

>Oh man, I remember hearing of a few back in 2013...Yes certainly.
they would have been proud and celebrated this event like the rest of us. It was a harsh message to remind but it encourages the optimism and the relief of accomplishing the only requirement for enjoying this franchise. We have had the fortune to live and get the full gen 4 experience defined during all this decade.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 21:56:01 [Preview] No.4833 [X] del >>4836>>4837
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>>4830
>what I meant there is that the fanbase hasn´t had an excuse to complain and start with new useless dramas because the standards have already been written, their headcanons are not going to appear in the "official show".
I think the funiest part is that so many are mad that Chrissy got turned to stone when so many wanted her not be reformed!

>Nonetheless, while the show has closed so many paths and headcanons, it has opened lots of different ones.
This is true. Though for me, I can see myself more interested in pre season 4 than the future right now. As I said, Perhaps I'm a stubborn oldfag but I feel really nostagic and I could see me doing something set back in that era well, my newest fic sorta is actually .

>The world is huge, the lore comes really close to an RPG game and the characters have had lots of conflicts or different situations where their interactions could lead to the greatest story that no one has heard of, as if we were back to the background ponies era of implications and little details between them.
This is an awesome point right here. It almost feels like 2012 again in a way.

>This show has set its own rules, admitting that My Little Pony doesn´t fear of any fanfiction at all, in fact,it encourages that route by leaving a new door open to that little student from Twilight´s school.
It'd actually aruge that it in part became fanon, I mean, I used to read stories with Twilight like pic related. Even if I'm actually kind of unsure about it it is still awesome seeing her in this state.

>I was sad because of this but then a thought sparked in my mind: it´s way worse to run an endless generation. I see the Simpsons and I definitely prefer that gen 4 has opened itself for any fanfiction yet its official series is over. Gen 5 can become more playful towards this regard but seeing how wild this gen has been, I prefer that the wilderness ends before running out of any reasons to be excited about it.
Agree here /)

>Yes,I admit that I am feeling a lot better today in comparison to my two posts from last night almost as if I am all of sudden happy to find new reasons to go further a
Me too for the most part.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 21:59:53 [Preview] No.4834 [X] del
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>>4829
>It's a great moral.
that we are already applying even if a few need some help for it.

>It not only apart of the internet, but its own subculture. I don't mean that in "le brony 20 cooler" convention goer sort of way, but that their are certain things here that aren't common elsewhere. Little things that I even see here.
this wild ride has lead to so many things.Sure the 20% cooler worked as a highlight for finding a meme and define something to hold on in an undefined subculture...but 9 years have passed, we cannot stay in that state forever.

If I had to define this as something special is that everything related to MLP, directly or not, has added another line in its own experience. We have lived an undefined book that has gone through lots of spontaneous yet varied events that almost everything else will feel boring in comparison. You were in the Bionicle fanbase but let me tell you that I was going to be a fan of Pokemon in terms of anime. I don´t think that I would have felt such exciting and varied emotions over there...and I am talking about the highest grossing media in existence.

>It's a mix, but I am turning a corner as I said, not quite my first trip around the block
damn, nothing is free of its own complications. Depends mostly on the personal level but even if this sounds familiar to a previous situation that you lived in the past, I guess that there are more things to appreciate because of those past lessons...

>>4829
>Even if I have some issues my emotions on it have been all over the place
really complicated to stay as a rock towards this. I emphasize with the struggle of moving on and I am not an exception either.

>I'm still glad the show got so far! I do not know how G5 will go but I can be happy for FiM.
indeed. Even if the future goes to the worst case scenario, Friendship is Magic cannot be ruined anymore in its own decade. Gen 5 can be anything but FiM will stay there in a complete state, no more fears about its doom. The good side is that this is absolutely permanent and fortunately enough, it was done well until its last season.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 22:30:18 [Preview] No.4835 [X] del
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>It depends on how one holds things. You can't stand to see it go, yet you are glad that it made it over the finishline. You can't tell sadness from happines and I'm still trying to figure everything out.
eeeyup, basically I would be repeating myself by replying in this way to you. That language of dealing the emotions is universal. This proves that life can be beautiful as well even if sadness is socially seen as a negative thing to deal with.

>why not? It's the final, might as well go all out
Twilight Sparkle has become the spiritual successor of Goku. It would be piss easy for her if nothing personal for her played a role in a critical battle. She´s an expert in this regard.

>that night however my mind was abuzz, I couldn't get it out of my head that tommorow was the end.
ah dammit. You did that....how strong your emotions must have been right there. By simply that gesture, one can notice who the actual fan is, even if it´s a stranger that stays anonymous. You can tell that spirit just by reading this.

>This show has been there in the background since at least mid 2011, I remember slowly getting into it after reading the fanfics, and though I don't have an exact timeline eventually finding Fimfiction.net and the rest.
>Since then it has been one of the only pieces of media I watch and kept track with. It got me to try things I didn't think I would ever do and got me to protect the characters that me and my brother created when we were young. So much has gone by with it still there. Three who eras of my life. So it's freaky that it is finally closed the book.
not only freaky but also really haunting whenever one manages to read such personal thoughts exposed towards this innocent show. Going back to /mlp/ only intensified this feeling of being surrounded of humans desiring to tell and expose to the world how this show has impacted them in their lives.

You have lived with it for almost 8 years and while you didn´t have the first contact with the show itself, it surely grew for getting attached to this brand. You joined because of the fanfics...I joined in because of the comments from a top 10, laughing at the comments between bronies and antis.

And I share with you that MLP has stayed as one of the few pieces that I have cared for all this decade. I haven´t watched a single episode of Game of Thrones, I have only seen the first season of Breaking Bad and I have stayed quite ignorant towards huge hypes despite knowing them on a surface level. Would any of us have expected to last this long....it´s haunting how many things have occurred yet we are closing this gen with the end of the decade.....dammit.

>It was a time to get in such a state.
so it´s no wonder that I stayed up that late.


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>I have yet to apply it simply because the highlight of my day was rather boring minor emergency pluming related Awesome though that you had a good Post-FiM day.
well, it was something I guess. You will find your own way for getting into the acceptance mode even though things are going much better tonight,posting simultaneously with a more confident mood despite staying unaware of the events of tomorrow.

I have had a good post FIM day but I will recognize that I have stared at the screen for several hours this morning, seeing all the comments and reactions towards the conclusion of this gen. Amazing to see how many people out there have felt the same or have had really peculiar backstories towards this show. It really reminds you that we are humans and as adults, we do have a kid inside of us.

>I didn't 100% completely avoid it it's nice to read everything without worry. Nice to see some pockets of optimism and hope there amidst all the chaos.
yeah but that optimism has to be shown for the community in general. We did that last night, /mlp/ has reached a really humble state surprisingly enough and the EQD side of the fanbase has encouraged it as well. It has even peaked as as a top meme in Knowyourmeme again. It truly shows how much power MLP has over the years.

From this: https://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/the-end-of-the-creator-driven-era-29614.html
to getting a real respect from outsiders nowadays, possibly ending up as a serious top 5 candidate in the animation industry for many.

>if this had happened a year ago for me...
I was like that as well, my personal thread reflected how broken I was after the 2016 events, lacking the illusions I have had....but as all eras, there are always new motivations to forge and carry out. This /endpone/ project has been really therapeutic honestly.

>>4833
>the funiest part is that so many are mad that Chrissy got turned to stone when so many wanted her not be reformed!
there they have her.....unreformed forever and staying in the same state as Discord has been in a millennia. The staff has done this fanservice to those people, I don´t want to ear any complaints because I for sure saw how many bug fans were disappointed towards the new designs . Chryssy didn´t it so you have that statue for all of them to enjoy.


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 22:46:35 [Preview] No.4837 [X] del >>4839
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>>4833
>This is true. Though for me, I can see myself more interested in pre season 4 than the future right now. As I said, Perhaps I'm a stubborn oldfag but I feel really nostagic and I could see me doing something set back in that era
well, I cannot blame you. You get stuck with the first things that were new to you around that time. I simply try to transmit a message of hope to those that are disenchanted with the series. It hasn´t left its core spirit, it´s always there and it encourages an infinite range of circumstances that can end up in a similar tone of those new feelings you had around 2011-12.

>well, my newest fic sorta is actually
we´ll see whenever it manages to become a reality

>This is an awesome point right here. It almost feels like 2012 again in a way.
indeed just that everything is more stable. The entropy of the earlier years is gone and will never come back but that doesn´t mean that the spirit stays right there. Its language doesn´t understand the word of time and growing old.It keeps going and it relies on those who want to keep it to this day.

>It'd actually aruge that it in part became fanon, I mean, I used to read stories with Twilight like pic related. Even if I'm actually kind of unsure about it it is still awesome seeing her in this state.
the most unique thing about this series has been the events that have become a reality in officially released material. Several pictures of Twilight showed her in this form and in hindsight, this causes a lot of varied reactions.


...and she started as a little nerdy unicorn reading a book in Canterlot...


Anon 10/13/2019 (Sun) 22:58:25 [Preview] No.4838 [X] del >>4839
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Anyway Bridgefag, I think that I´ve replied to everything that you have posted for now.

I want to remember this little thing: the ending might not be the most meaningful part but how tomorrow manages to get written.

Like the movie events, after the huge party, you have to clean it because life keeps going. Sometimes I find those post-moments even more beautiful than the act itself because they add another layer around it and makes it even greater. It´s the dawn of a new day that is about to come.

Take your time and whenever you feel like, we get to comment about the finale. There is no deadline to it but I suppose that one wants to end the task that was already started.

I think I am ending my activity tonight unless I do a quick post through my mobile.

Have good night /endpone/ and don´t feel sad because the party is over. Sometimes the conversations between the invited ones might reward you more than expected.

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Anon 10/14/2019 (Mon) 05:49:42 [Preview] No.4839 [X] del >>4841>>4873
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>>4837
Litterally now I have some ideas with Twilight and Luster Dawn, so now I have no idea where my focus will go!

>>4838
Take a rest. I'll try to get my thoughts togather on the final, though they have been rapidly changing back and forth.

> The entropy of the earlier years is gone and will never come back but that doesn´t mean that the spirit stays right there. Its language doesn´t understand the word of time and growing old.It keeps going and it relies on those who want to keep it to this day.
>Have good night /endpone/ and don´t feel sad because the party is over. Sometimes the conversations between the invited ones might reward you more than expected.
I agree. I fact, though I do not know to what degree, I think our fandom has a chance to become something longer term and a bit more intimate with those who stay. I find this lull between G5 to be possibly an opportunity. I'm not saying I'm a blind optimist or that everything will be exactly the same level of activity, but I don't think things will just die, changes and...

I guess I applied the lesson of the final didn't I?

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Anon 10/14/2019 (Mon) 21:46:39 [Preview] No.4840 [X] del >>4842
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>Be me
>Day off to myself
>Spends half of it scanning the web at the fandom reaction.
>Still trying to make heads or tails on how I feel about final.
>Making a shitpost in a format I don't like much.


Anon 10/14/2019 (Mon) 22:34:49 [Preview] No.4841 [X] del
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>>4839
>Litterally now I have some ideas with Twilight and Luster Dawn, so now I have no idea where my focus will go!
and that´s fine honestly, it really relies on what you want expose and where you want to go with it. I might have not written greens besides the ones posted here but one thing I´ve noticed.....is the absolute freedom that you have for the story, especially if you play with some established rules but then, you start to go somewhere else.

Not to mention that this show (as if didn´t make it clear before) encourages and has left the door open for the community to go out there and play with the base material. Luster Dawn is simply one of the routes that one fan could write about out of endless options, with the entire world under the hands of any fan.

I don´t know what better gift could be given to the fanbase other than having freedom and getting a clear idea of how this world works,what species one can write about and what situation one can put into the center point of the invented story.

>Take a rest. I'll try to get my thoughts togather on the final, though they have been rapidly changing back and forth.
thanks.
Anyway, I understand that you cannot wrap up your mind and conclude this finale without the complete objectivity because there are lots of emotions behind this and...if anyone had told me that a little girls show could pull out a trigger of anxiety or depressed states for its fans, I would have laughed but we are talking about a finale that has caused an impact and has all the elements to drive someone to a sensible state, hence the review looks so difficult because giving it a 2nd try implies those harsh emotions despite expecting them.

>In fact, though I do not know to what degree, I think our fandom has a chance to become something longer term and a bit more intimate with those who stay. I find this lull between G5 to be possibly an opportunity.
I am not saying that you have to be optimistic even though I have wanted to express that just to get out of the devastating circle that this ending could lead to one fan in the worst case scenario. I didn´t want that to happen neither for me nor you and I stayed up late in order to feel better with myself and attempt that your possibly grey thoughts aren´t unique so the feeling of loneliness and despair doesn´t feel as exclusive to you into a personal level.

Anyway, how will this fanabse go in the future? I don´t know but the statistics are truly amazing. In fact, /mlp/ has had two days of boost with 13k daily posts in 2019 which means that the fanbase has had enough lasting interest in this series until its ending. Derpibooru has more than 2,1 million of images related to MLP and the daily uploads have slowly increased since its debut. Just use the data that you have (you might know it better than me because of your reports in the /go/ thread) so you can make some plausible hypothesis with it.

That´s what actually scientists do, simply register all the activities, study the phenomenons closely and what conclusions/theories can be made from the obtained data.

>I'm not saying I'm a blind optimist or that everything will be exactly the same level of activity, but I don't think things will just die, changes and...
>I guess I applied the lesson of the final didn't I?
it´s a natural pattern of life itself but I didn´t expect that the show was going to expose its last moral towards the fans so directly, about moving on despite the uncertain future. Such a natural action would have happened but the staff literally decided to create the last episode towards that universal life lesson. Predictable but really damn effective and a good one to apply for everything.


Anon 10/14/2019 (Mon) 22:43:18 [Preview] No.4842 [X] del >>4843>>4857
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>>4840
in this post, we see Bridgefag in his natural shitposting mode.

>inb4 he is a newfag at shitposting because he has been lurking all the time instead of opening threads on /mlp/ pretending to be triggered towards any new episode like the average user
>he doesn´t like the method despite going all for it
>mfw this doesn´t make any sense


Anon 10/15/2019 (Tue) 05:34:51 [Preview] No.4843 [X] del >>4846>>4858
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>>4842
i can do better fren
<be me
<be a carrot
<be board
<be slowday
<be so bored dat I watch the final of horsefag show.
<be impressed, confused, and slightly annoyed all at once.
<be slightly curiosity on questions example later
<be sadish
<be a carrot


Anon 10/15/2019 (Tue) 17:04:00 [Preview] No.4845 [X] del >>4846 (you)>>4859 (you)
I thought episode 17 was a lot of fun. We had some actual character development for Twilight - I can't remember the last time that happened other than
>wings
Discord was a dick as always, but he wasn't too bad in this episode. Seeing more of the villains working together was fun too, and the episode kept stuff more subtle, simply showing us how they kept the bird off their trail rather than pandering like usual. My only gripes would be that the castle guards are way too retarded, and that Twilight used a really stupid-looking electric style mic rather than using a megaphone or just speaking up a little, there weren't that many people there.
>>4587
this pretty much nails it. I'd probably bump it down to 9/10 myself, just because the scoring is relative to what went before, but all the same this is the first time in a while that I've enjoyed this show this much.


Anon 10/15/2019 (Tue) 20:23:59 [Preview] No.4846 [X] del >>4848>>4872 (you)
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>>4843
>be slowday
>be so bored dat I watch the final of horsefag show.
>be impressed, confused, and slightly annoyed all at once.
>be slightly curiosity on questions example later
is this true or is it part of a shitpost/troll move? Because if you have actually watched the last three episodes, your mind must have imploded about the stigma that you have had towards this show (especially if you expected that this was the little girls show of past generations like the 2000s with gen 3).

>>4845 (you)
>I thought episode 17 was a lot of fun
it´s seen as highlight in this thread and rightfully so.

>We had some actual character development for Twilight - I can't remember the last time that happened other than
hello? her role as a princess? how she earns even more trust from the royal sisters, becoming the actual leader? There have been episodes about her that have dealt with her traits (Once Upon A Zeppelin, Celestial Advice, several premieres and finales...)

>Seeing more of the villains working together was fun too, and the episode kept stuff more subtle, simply showing us how they kept the bird off their trail rather than pandering like usual.
yeah, the subtlety in this show marks one of the biggest strengths for this gen in these later seasons. However, I do get a greater impact of subtlety on other episodes than this one and I cherish ep 17 because of how it combines both arcs without contacting the villains with the protagonists.

>the castle guards are way too retarded
surprisingly enough, they have been more competent than other seasons. They are still useless but at least, they have tried to do something in these last seasons.

>Twilight used a really stupid-looking electric style mic rather than using a megaphone or just speaking up a little, there weren't that many people there
yeah well, I get bothered by this all that much but eh, it´s okay

>all the same this is the first time in a while that I've enjoyed this show this much.
oh well, that´s nice to hear, a pretty good sign for the show that even in its last season, it can offer enjoyable content at its finest. It solidified the hopes that season 9 could be competent and not enter into a seasonal rot with a bad note (something that we´ve feared several times by the way)Turns out that it is in reverse and fortunately, the loyal fans are (not perfectly but pretty much) rewarded until the very end.


Anon 10/15/2019 (Tue) 21:28:47 [Preview] No.4848 [X] del >>4853>>4858
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>>4846
>is this true or is it part of a shitpost/troll move?
it's troo boi

>your mind must have imploded about the stigma that you have had towards this show
<not sure
I
<would go dat far
but I have a whole lotta questions.


Anon 10/15/2019 (Tue) 21:43:05 [Preview] No.4849 [X] del
>>4824
yuri or libjp fag?


Anon 10/15/2019 (Tue) 22:26:46 [Preview] No.4853 [X] del >>5040
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>>4848
>it's troo boi
okay okay, I believe you but I like having some proof of it, just in case.

>not sure I would go dat far but I have a whole lotta questions.
considering that you have decided to watch the finale (probably the Last Problem and not The Ending of the End), everything will look to you like a surprising thing.

Take my reply with seriousness or not but I have commented several times that Friendship is Magic has tons of lore and world building in it, the cast and the species have only increased since its debut and one can get a little bit if one doesn´t follow the full experience. This show isn´t as easy to follow as the average outsider might expect from this franchise (because they see it as girly so it implies that there are no complications nor twists nor anything interesting). Why do you think that we´ve discussed with a lot of paragraphs each episode?

Starting with the final episode....yeah, it seems like a good idea in order for introducing yourself to it, right? No wonder you have a lot of questions.

You have picked a nice episode though.


Anon 10/16/2019 (Wed) 18:43:40 [Preview] No.4857 [X] del
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>>4842
but I wanted to post it here and I only did it because I couldn't think of anything! but yeah it is kind of a strange post tbh


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>>4848
if ya did color me impressed.


Anon 10/16/2019 (Wed) 19:09:10 [Preview] No.4859 [X] del >>4872 (you)
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>>4845 (you)
>We had some actual character development for Twilight - I can't remember the last time that happened other than
I'd argue that she actually has had a fair amount of development but it took a somewhat wonky path on her and her roll more on that coming up soon

>and the episode kept stuff more subtle, simply showing us how they kept the bird off their trail rather than pandering like usual.
I would agree too, at least in part, I don't know what your definition of pandering is though but I do like subtle moments.

>Twilight used a really stupid-looking electric style mic rather than using a megaphone or just speaking up a little, there weren't that many people there.
I do wonder if it's just the animation and where suppose to to consider there to be a larger audience or we take what we see on screen? The reason I ask this is that it has always been a debate from me how I'm supposed to take, say, the just a single waterspout being the source of all water for Equestria for a year or described traits that aren't portrayed on screen.

>this pretty much nails it. I'd probably bump it down to 9/10 myself, just because the scoring is relative to what went before, but all the same this is the first time in a while that I've enjoyed this show this much.
I can see bumping it down to a 9/10. TBH, I've been confused a bit in my ratings and indecisive in enjoyment vs execution
(I enjoyed it okay but it wasn't my favorite yet the plot was done perfectly). I've probably be bumping some ratings up and done pretty soon as I take final stalk. The reason why this ep scored so high was because it both was a sound plot and I enjoyed it.


Anon 10/16/2019 (Wed) 19:15:20 [Preview] No.4860 [X] del >>4878
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Alright, in the next 2 or 3 days to start posting my thoughts on the final. I'm trying to keep it from a ramble and will be splitting the end of the end from The Last Problem, which deserves special attention on it's own. It's been an interesting experience having different emotions on it in different days and trying to figure out what I liked and didn't like because what I like is coated under a layer of sadness and what I didn't like was coated under a layer of feeling of accomplishment


Anon 10/18/2019 (Fri) 09:12:41 [Preview] No.4872 [X] del >>4874 (you)>>4879 (you)
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>>4846
>There have been episodes about her that have dealt with her traits (Once Upon A Zeppelin, Celestial Advice, several premieres and finales...)
This is true, however I felt like they didn't make any real progress with her character. Celestial Advice would seem to be the episode to cure her panic attacks, but in later episodes we see that the experience hasn't had much of a lasting change. As for Once Upon A Zeppelin, while an episode I enjoyed immensely purely for the inclusion of airships, all she came to terms with was the fact that she was famous. Maybe I was missing the point a little, but the core conflict of that episode felt a little weak to me. So when I say "actual character development", I mean in the sense that it will actually carry over in a proper story arc (by the looks of it), whereas before it felt somewhat like there was an episode reset button.
>surprisingly enough, they have been more competent than other seasons. They are still useless but at least, they have tried to do something in these last seasons.
I know, but they had called back to the episode where Shining Armor ramped up security, so I had hoped to see some added skill from training, or something along those lines. As it was it looked like the security system was super tight when Shining Armor was trying to stop Twilight, but then as soon as he was gone they all slacked off.
>>4859
>I would agree too, at least in part, I don't know what your definition of pandering is though but I do like subtle moments.
Actually we did get some examples in this very episode of what I mean by pandering: they reestablish their plan against Grogar even though I already know about it. I know why they did this, but I'm pleasantly surprised that they didn't explain in dialogue what Chrysalis was doing, especially since I know that if I were the target age for this show I wouldn't have understood what was going on in that scene without explanation (though perhaps I was more retarded than other kids my age.)
>I do wonder if it's just the animation and where suppose to to consider there to be a larger audience or we take what we see on screen?
There has to be, there were way more in the flashback Twilight had of the event. It's pretty hard to believe that less ponies turned up for it when there was a relatively new princess taking part in it this time - unless there's an undercurrent of distrust against princess twilight among the population (which doesn't seem likely but I think is a cool idea. twilight taking over more public duties like the swan ceremony and this episode, she could be interpreted as a kind of usurper.) my main beef was again the disparity of technology in Equestria, but maybe it's more equivalent to interwar (or pre-war) period than victorian, in which case it's plausible that the other ponies were listening to twilight's speech on the radio.


Anon 10/18/2019 (Fri) 23:54:00 [Preview] No.4873 [X] del >>4874
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>>4839
>Take a rest
definitely I have been doing that. After such a relief of seeing the ending,one doesn't feel such a rushed compromise to do this because this is like an afterlife of it.

Proof of Life Shitpost with one of the royal sisters present.


Anon 10/19/2019 (Sat) 06:19:09 [Preview] No.4874 [X] del >>4875>>4879>>4909 (you)
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>So when I say "actual character development", I mean in the sense that it will actually carry over in a proper story arc (by the looks of it), whereas before it felt somewhat like there was an episode reset button.
I have been debating this myself, but I'll have to do some rewatches before I make up my mind.

> especially since I know that if I were the target age for this show I wouldn't have understood what was going on in that scene without explanation (though perhaps I was more retarded than other kids my age.)
So you're talking about child pandering and not fandom pandering.

>my main beef was again the disparity of technology in Equestria
Though I know some fans harp on and on but the truth is been since the early days in some form(Pic related), though it has gotten more blatant in later seasons and it can sometims annoy me. My old headcanon was that only pegiasi could travel quickly (Took them a day to get to Canterlot in MMMMmmmmmmmystery on the Friendship express, yet Celestia could travel on her Chariot, took at least a days to get to a place like Appolosa yet I-you know what, I'm too exhusted to post too much. point is Pegasus where mainly the only ones shown with quick travel with most locations still having a vague since of distance in earlier season. So my theory is that they had a mix of magitech, non magitech, and the disparity was explained by a underdeveloped transite system and a lack of mass commutation. Now? IDK, quick travel allows them to go seemly most places in a day and some of the tech can be too hard to rationalize existing together. It's like bioincle with villrgers in straw hunts having access to jetpacks.

Congrats on finally being able to post images! ...though ewwwwwwwwwwwwww. clop is just not my thing. Though it says to spoiler it in the rules I think the informal thing that was said here as long as it wasn't overally gorey it is doesn't have to be so your good.

>>4873
>Proof of Life Shitpost with one of the royal sisters present.
PoLS with a hint of . My review is delayed till mid next week as something bad has happened.


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>I have been debating this myself, but I'll have to do some rewatches before I make up my mind.
Direct controdiction to what I hinted at earilier, >>.4859
>I'd argue that she actually has had a fair amount of development but it took a somewhat wonky path on her and her roll
I was thinking more in terms of personality as in I have been debating to myself how much or how little her personality has evolved. I think she has had character trait growth in relation to her position but I've been split on the growth of her personality otherwise, and considering my memory is a bit rusty on season 5 through 7 at a lesser extent I was saying that I wanted to do some rewatces in that era .

Also, their is something else that I perhaps should clarify but unfortunately don't have much time atm.
PoLS i guess


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>It's been an interesting experience having different emotions on it in different days and trying to figure out what I liked and didn't like because what I like is coated under a layer of sadness and what I didn't like was coated under a layer of feeling of accomplishment
oh boy, this definitely proves that this review is going to show two different perspectives towards the same material...and I am imagining your thoughts before you expose them explicitly.

>Celestial Advice would seem to be the episode to cure her panic attacks, but in later episodes we see that the experience hasn't had much of a lasting change.
that same argument could have been applied to Fluttershy until...maybe season 5 with her episodes learning how to be assertive (the last one being Filli Vanilli). From there, the cycle ended but she was constantly coming back to those episodes of: learning and then press the reset button.

>all she came to terms with was the fact that she was famous
but that´s another issue that a princess should deal with, she is going to be around Equestria and one should know how to act in front of the public because of such duties. Not sure if it counts for an arc but it seems plausible for her to have those issues.

>the core conflict of that episode felt a little weak to me.
fair enough. Okay.

>I mean in the sense that it will actually carry over in a proper story arc (by the looks of it), whereas before it felt somewhat like there was an episode reset button.
I understand why you believe that and I do notice that Twilight´s episodes have been far and between that surround her. This is most likely due to the writer not having a clear idea what to do with her during a certain period (especially in season 4). Season 9 gave her the steps that she had to take, established an actual defined path but the rest....was as undefined as the future of this show (ironically enough).

In an in-universe explanation, I could give to its defense that her arc consisted about dealing undefined problems that come and go through her life, meaning that there is not an established role model to be a princess except from having an experience and face them properly, hence she has the tile of princess of friendship: compiling her experiences and values extracted from them and transfer them to someone else.

>they had called back to the episode where Shining Armor ramped up security, so I had hoped to see some added skill from training, or something along those lines.
>As it was it looked like the security system was super tight when Shining Armor was trying to stop Twilight, but then as soon as he was gone they all slacked off.
you have answered yourself. Despite the past experiences, the mane 6 proved that they had a lot to be desired and explains why the guards are even less valuable than the original background ponies. The redeeming thing is that despite their lack of competency, the villain trio struggled to enter in the library because of those security actions.So,there is that.


Anon 10/20/2019 (Sun) 15:16:17 [Preview] No.4879 [X] del
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> know that if I were the target age for this show I wouldn't have understood what was going on in that scene without explanation
wI had seen a couple of little kids trying to figure out what was going on while watching MLP The Movie 2017,imagine if they hadn´t seen the previous episode of that arc and watching the finale...

>It's pretty hard to believe that less ponies turned up for it when there was a relatively new princess taking part in it this time
I believe that I have an explanation for this one. The reason why there aren´t as many ponies as one should consider is that....the first seasons used the copy and paste strategy so the backgrounds are filled with a huge crowd that is about as plain as sticker, zero personality to be found there (until the fanbase gave them a meaning/reason to exist and build a personality almost out of nowhere)

From season 4 onwards, they rely more on unique designs for those background/secondary characters, so this means that all the crowd consisted in less repeated ponies and more about unique characters that we have seen in the previous episodes. The ones celebrating that coronation are those who have actually met Twilight for all these seasons. You simply see characters that have been relevant instead of copying Lyra and Derpy´s design over and over with recolors.

Those who have been there actually appreciate Twilight because they have known her. Combined with the exclusive designs and treatments that the secondary characters have received, this means that there were no reasons to add ponies that weren´t actually involved with her. It feels more like a private celebration, open to everyone but those who are shown in the screen, are those that you have seen in the past.

>>4874
>My old headcanon was that only pegiasi could travel quickly (Took them a day to get to Canterlot in MMMMmmmmmmmystery on the Friendship express, yet Celestia could travel on her Chariot, took at least a days to get to a place like Appolosa yet I-you know what, I'm too exhusted to post too much. point is Pegasus where mainly the only ones shown with quick travel with most locations still having a vague since of distance in earlier season.
headcanon denied. Hippogriffs flew all over the south of Equestria in the movie and reached Canterlot in less than a few hours. The only excuse that I can find from those inconsistencies is about the constant changes and perspectives towards the creative process of this show. It was really undefined and you could see that Twilight came and went flying from Ponyville to Canterlot and viceversa(Amending Fences, Princess Twilight Sparkle...) in a really short amount of time. The single episodes written for those plot didn´t have into account the distances´logic. Even the official map of 2017 doesn´t have a proportional distance (it doesn´t even show the hive nor the Kirin´s village), meaning that the stories can use it to their conveniences. The best way to define the lengths would be with an official video game that displays the entire map and the chance to travel through the entirety of it.

Now that gen 4 is over, hopefully Hasbro releases an official map with all the updates and locations in it. It sounds redundant to have another one but I am still trying to figure out how far the changelings and the kirins are (mostly because they are relevant in the species term, but there are others like Rainbow´s Roadtrip village)

>So my theory is that they had a mix of magitech, non magitech, and the disparity was explained by a underdeveloped transite system and a lack of mass commutation. Now? IDK, quick travel allows them to go seemly most places in a day and some of the tech can be too hard to rationalize existing together. It's like bioincle with villrgers in straw hunts having access to jetpacks.
I think that we are giving too much credit to the writers because I don´t think they dealt with this subject all that much nor MLP was intended to build up an expansive world worthy for a RPG game.


Anon 10/24/2019 (Thu) 21:29:42 [Preview] No.4893 [X] del >>5057>>5058>>5311>>5312
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So, Discord was behind this the whole time? At first I did not know how this made me feel. It was interesting because I saw a lot who liked everything else otherwise find this particular aspect somewhat questionable. Freaky enough around when Friemies premiered I saw someone suggest this as a theory but I immediately disregarded it as one of those crack pot fan theories. Never saw anyone bring it up again before I dropped out of most speculation when the leak happened. I'd say it's understandable, as, minus the tiniest hint or two this came completely out of nowhere for most of us and our brains struggled to wrap around it. Though upon thinking it over I'd say I actually quite like this plot twist, and not for a stupid surface level "because I didn't see it coming!" reason. I think this fits much better with Discord's nature than some would first think. Discord is chaos. Since his redemption the show (and other official works) have strangled with whether to have him as a cosmic force of nature like he was originally portrayed or just a joker who would sometimes get over his head and really wasn't that scary or powerful. If he was so powerful, why was he so inactive in certain major plots and easily nerfed by Chrysalis' thrown? If he was so weak, than why did he seem like he was manipulating things behind the scenes at times and was brought back by Celestia to fight Tirek? This season finally made a choice and actually brought a pattern here that makes some sense. Discord underestimating and being outright dismissive of his foes is how he has been defeated before by Celestia and Luna, the Mane6 and Tirek. This defeat doesn't feel like an arbitrary plot hole or Discord acting uncharacteristically stupid so much as a flaw he has had from the very start where he thinks he is in control only to find himself taken out by some unforeseen magical force that he discounted do to his arrogance and forgetting that he is still can be valuable to such forces. What better way for a Spirit of chaos than to lose control of his own chaotic plan? Arguably, it makes his chaotic nature stronger because chaos itself can't be controlled. Do you see what I mean? This season made him both a chessmaster and a force of chaos. It also feels like it fits with season 4 when many thought that he was helping Twilight Sparkle grow and learn in his own twisted way with Tirek (speaking of that, this season fits season 4 in several ways, but I'll get to that later in this huge review/thought dump). I'm not saying you couldn't draw a line of criticism toward it, but it just fits in so many ways that are previously established. Regardless if it was intentional or not it, Discord this season actually felt woven together as oppose to having a new set of info that just makes it more confusing for us to figure out.

One other note: I can understand those who wanted Grogar to be his own big deal, but I actually think this was the better option. They would have had to give him his own motivation and backstory, setting him up in the final which would have cut from the main cast and probably robbed us from om good moments.


Anon 10/24/2019 (Thu) 21:43:47 [Preview] No.4894 [X] del >>4987>>5059>>5060>>5062
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Subversion...

Now that I am onto the topic of the true three main villains. Our expectations were subverted. Was it a good subversion though? That is where I am slightly mixed. Thematically, the whole, let's use friendship to destroy Equestria for all it was built up wasn't really brought fully into the picture in the final. It was just the reason they were working together. It was an element that wa introduced only to trick us and in The Ending of The End, they just acted like generic evil for the sake of being evil villains for the most part. It feels like the Hollywood version of subversion/plot twist: "See we implied it was this the whole time but it's really not!" It feels like their was potential for something more here with this dynamic they set up. Like a full exploration of what Cozy Glow represents. It was a dynamic partly explored in the season 8 final and it felt clever but could use some more work. There could have been a much more interesting personal conflict other than Twilight losing hope do to the situation being dim from sheer power of villeins and having no elements of harmony. More of an ideological or philosophical bend to it, like TS having doubts on what friendship is if it can be used for evil or something that I think would be easier to set up with what we had: Cozy Glow, Crystalis and Tirek having discovered the bounds of friendship but still being an evil threat that needs to be naturalized. Even if they couldn't go that far it felt like there could have been a little bit more.

...or could there have? I still think there is a couple of lines of defense on this. First of all, it does feel pretty reasonable that they formed a somewhat shaky alliance and it really did not go much beyond that. I think though this defense is somewhat weak from a story telling angle with the fact of them having hinted at this dynamic pretty strongly, but it is something to consider. Secondly I think too there is a point to be made with the nature of the fact that this was the final itself. They were going to try to squeeze as much in as possible. Would exploring such a theme draw too much time away from the main cast? This is the stronger line. Anywhere to just have a giant battle and tons of fanservice in a checklist style format the final is probably the most justified. Putting too much of an overarching theme could've messed that intention up and this choice may not be best to view as a screw up on the writers but a conscious choice on the writers to do it like this. This is why I say I am only slightly conflicted. They still fit in some interesting stuff with the trio (Chrissy vs Dolores, Tirek's father). Even if it's a thematic element that I think should have been explored better I'm not sure how critical I can be on it


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Where they justified in turning them to stone? Yes. Each one of them was still a threat and they had previously tried to deal with before. I think this was directly done do to how so many fans hated how everypony was getting redeemed left and right and I think it's 100% fitting for Tirek and 80% fitting for Crissy (because a redeemed Chrissy would certainly be interesting and have a lot to work with with how much hatred she holds and how long she has been a foe). Cozy Glow is still a bit of a moral question but I think that goes back to season 8 when they locked her up in tartarus. They could have had her reject friendship and redemption better in season 8 or a another momenet in season 9. We never really knew how she became evil and her full backstory and if these had been explored better we have better perspective and it would have felt more satisfying rather than the big question marks left over our heads with her. After all, the incomplete exploration of the character and her ideology have caused some even so far as to view her as a martyr to a subverted truth on Equestria friendship is magic, but magic is power They were fully justified in taking out a rough alicorn in that moment though.


Anon 10/24/2019 (Thu) 21:50:57 [Preview] No.4896 [X] del >>5033
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Alright, my review/thoughts have started. It may take awhile to fully finish because I have so much to say an am going with one element at a time.


Anon 10/26/2019 (Sat) 04:36:53 [Preview] No.4900 [X] del >>5064>>5311>>5312
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Twilight Sparkle's storyline in this felt pretty cookie cutter. Not her ascension so much as the beats that were hit; we saw all of this in the season premiere. A hopeless situation, the fall/destruction of Canterlot, Twilight Sparkle freaking out. The Ending of The End in many ways just feels like a more epic version of The Beginning of The End, and both share a lot with season 4's final as well, along with to a lesser extent the premiere of that season (we don't have the elements now!). And while I have yet to fully judge the elements of harmony being taken out of the picture and Twilight facing reality on her own twice only to have rainbow friendship magic come save them at the end. It is something that I can draw critical lines at yet almost smile in amusement that it happened twice. I will say this though: if you'd ask me anywhere large amounts of fan service and a bonkers turn your brain off and just watch the homages and call backs, it is the final of FiM. Though I will say I see the premiere of this season in a more critical light sans Discord for being so much like it. They really should've differentiated the too.

I'll get more into Twilight Sparkle though when I get to the Last Problem as that is a far better place to discus her character in depth.
Just gonna keep posting one post at a time if a have to! Just wanted to note these little things before I dig deeper.


Anon 10/27/2019 (Sun) 23:22:15 [Preview] No.4909 [X] del >>4911 (you)>>4920 (you)
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I've been a lurker but not a regular poster, so I hope I haven't been too invasive. I didn't watch anything after episode 17 until today. I've just finished watching all that remained. The two parter (End of the End, if I recall correctly) was, and sorry for repeating myself, a lot of fun. My only real gripe is that I felt the music was way too goofy and lacked the gravity needed from the finale. I'd rate the two-parter as an 8 overall, second half would probably rate higher than the first though. I was somewhat surprised at the lack of emotional punch it had, until I realized it had all been saved for The Last Problem. I had kind of hoped from the title that they would do this one as a trivial problem, pre-alicorn era with the friendship journal and everything. Maybe that sounds stupid, but regardless, my disappointment didn't last long. It's somewhat embarrassing to say, but I doubt I'm alone in this: I cried a lot during this episode. It started earlier than expected in hindsight, the scene where Twilight sits alone in the empty library with the comic in front of her, her friends apparently uncaring of her concerns, cut quite close to some of my own personal experiences, so I was already pretty emotional when the last song started. They really knew how to deliver that final emotional kick with returning to Ponyville one last time. I know I'm rambling at this point, but what the heck, I won't really have a chance to do this again. I've only cried at fiction twice before: the BSG remake's finale, and the Babylon 5 finale, and this final episode absolutely knocked those two out of the park. I rate it 10 out of 10: it might not be the best possible ending to the show, but it was best ending for me. I still kind of think ending in season 3 would have worked, but with all the good that came with the bad afterward, overall I'm glad I got to enjoy this longer. No single piece of fiction has ever had as strong an effect on me and my life than this.
>>4874
> ...though ewwwwwwwwwwwwww. clop is just not my thing.
Sorry, I don't really have very many suitable images saved, they were all on my old computer.


Anon 10/28/2019 (Mon) 06:25:45 [Preview] No.4911 [X] del >>4921>>4992 (you)
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>I've been a lurker but not a regular poster, so I hope I haven't been too invasive.
While this board has been largely of a personal nature sometimes in its history just composing of two anons having long meandering cover various topics, it's not an exclusive one. So no you aren't being invasive at all. Perfectly welcome here.

>a lot of fun. My only real gripe is that. I'd rate the two-parter as an 8 overall
Indeed it was fun. Though I am still trying to work out my full thoughts, and think some storylines could have been done better overall from a season perspective I can't complain from the awesome movements and fan service done right.

> I felt the music was way too goofy and lacked the gravity needed from the finale
> I was somewhat surprised at the lack of emotional punch it had,
I'd say that final scene at Donut Joe's was pretty big one for me, but yeah, though the action was intense, I suppose you could make a good case that from a mechanical perspective on all the elements being in thematic sync with each other Season 4's premiere moment with Nightmare Moon vs Celestia may have been stronger emotionally Notice how when Twilight thought Celestia had died the music was briefly gone? In service for a dramatic moment and done for just a brief period of time. Though I can recall times where I was struck by the acting and the fighting, I can't recall anytime where I considered the music/background ambience in the same way wow I pay too much attention to elements

>I had kind of hoped from the title that they would do this one as a trivial problem, pre-alicorn era with the friendship journal and everything. Maybe that sounds stupid,
Nah, I could understand that desire though do yo mean Friendship letters?

>so I was already pretty emotional when the last song started. They really knew how to deliver that final emotional kick with returning to Ponyville one last time. I know I'm rambling at this point, but what the heck, I won't really have a chance to do this again. I've only cried at fiction twice before: the BSG remake's finale, and the Babylon 5 finale, and this final episode absolutely knocked those two out of the park. I rate it 10 out of 10: it might not be the best possible ending to the show, but it was best ending for me.
I feel more conflicted on it as an arc resolution, but in spite of my problems this episode did leave a feeling of completeness and you were not alone in your tears I have never seen Babylon 5 or the remake but this final had so much going on with it. In a way, we were a part of it's existence, so regardless of your thoughts on the show, one cannot help but feel a mix of pride at getting so far down the road and a shock that it's over. It can be a pretty intimate, haunting and frankly beautiful experience in a way that you couldn't feel simply watching a story unfold.

>Sorry, I don't really have very many suitable images saved, they were all on my old computer.
Don't worry about it. I'm not going to ban it outright even with my personal distaste because it'd be in conflict with this side of the fandom's nature and lead to idiotic division Me and my fellow oldfag are currently working out how this place will be governed now that we seem not quite as alone on this little board, but this place ain't taking a tumblr route. (will be clarified shortly, like a few days).


Anon 10/28/2019 (Mon) 07:07:39 [Preview] No.4914 [X] del
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Next review is going to be delayed for a bit. Feel free to post here otherwise.


Anon 10/28/2019 (Mon) 22:45:22 [Preview] No.4920 [X] del >>4992 (you)>>5311>>5312
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>I've been a lurker but not a regular poster, so I hope I haven't been too invasive.
the question that comes up to my head by reading this line is not about the invasive part (dude, we are two people doing a personal alternate project and the third one has left this in summer sadly) but when you began to lurk over here.

>I didn't watch anything after episode 17 until today. I've just finished watching all that remained.
you made it, you ended the ride in the end. One cannot ask for more passion than that for this generation. Now, it´s all a matter of your own taste but at least, you have seen the last rays of this sunset with your own eyes and...you have been rewarded for accomplishing this task.

>My only real gripe is that I felt the music was way too goofy and lacked the gravity needed from the finale
yeah, season 4 did this much better or even the premiere of this season in this regard.The action was really cool though.

>until I realized it had all been saved for The Last Problem.
three parter finale or more like finale+ epilogue. Even though The Last Problem can be reviewed independently, The Ending of the End doesn´t have any pay off beyond beating the villains.

>but I doubt I'm alone in this: I cried a lot during this episode. It started earlier than expected in hindsight, the scene where Twilight sits alone in the empty library with the comic in front of her, her friends apparently uncaring of her concerns, cut quite close to some of my own personal experiences, so I was already pretty emotional when the last song started. They really knew how to deliver that final emotional kick with returning to Ponyville one last time. I know I'm rambling at this point, but what the heck, I won't really have a chance to do this again.
you know, reading these lines actually say a lot for a franchise. It´s hard to find words when one person arrives to these deep emotions that you don´t usually see very often. Those who have been watching the show for several years, stayed loyal to it, thought that it would never, it actually ends with this execution and with a message of: it´s time move on, it´s up to you to write the next book. It means that you are a human and it hurts to close a beloved phase in your life. The emotional trigger can hurt a lot if taken to an extreme unfortunately, fearing about your own future...


Reading those lines are both haunting and really really charming.

>it might not be the best possible ending to the show, but it was best ending for me.
I haven´t given it a 2nd try yet but I am feeling like it´s a true highlight for this season.

I have good news for you, it might not be the best ending that one can consider.....but this poll shows that you are far from alone in those thoughts. It has won the EQD poll this week.

>I still kind of think ending in season 3 would have worked
I disagree with this statement personally. In fact, Magical Mystery Cure feels sort of disappointing for the alicornification process (not the status but the build up was the problem for me), leaving it in a pretty low spot in terms of finales. The Last Problem was well deserved, has compiled the achievements and it was long time coming that Twilight was going to replace Celestia. The Last Problem beats MMC for me by a really really long mile.

>but with all the good that came with the bad afterward, overall I'm glad I got to enjoy this longer. No single piece of fiction has ever had as strong an effect on me and my life than this.
amen to that, anon. Amen.


Anon 10/28/2019 (Mon) 23:20:17 [Preview] No.4921 [X] del
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>this place ain't taking a tumblr route.
that social media has really fallen apart and we should take a lesson from mistakes that lead to its downward spiral,
>While this board has been largely of a personal nature sometimes in its history just composing of two anons having long meandering cover various topics, it's not an exclusive one
it´s really personal at those times but when someone gets involved in anything, the dynamic changes and the replies keep coming as usual. As you say, there is no exclusivity despite that personal side that has (ironically) driven the board to a few relevant decisions motivated by it.

>I can't complain from the awesome movements and fan service done right.
this.

>In a way, we were a part of it's existence, so regardless of your thoughts on the show, one cannot help but feel a mix of pride at getting so far down the road and a shock that it's over. It can be a pretty intimate, haunting and frankly beautiful experience in a way that you couldn't feel simply watching a story unfold.
and in a way, that´s the wisest perspective that one could come with when it comes to these emotional situations. It´s so private for everyone yet one can emphasize so much because we all have spent time with the same show. The fact that it has managed to end with in a high note means that the show can resist the test of time from the beginning to its end on its own. It´s rewarding to the consumer and this achievement cannot be applied to most series. We are really fortunate to have lived and see the whole product, closing the book with a really charming episode.

I will probably repeat it with my future replies but if any fan has reached this point, watching the whole series, no one is going to ask to you anything else at least, me. Gen 4 is over and despite the future gen 4 related content (comics or any media), the average fan has done its part. You can feel proud for reaching the end together.

Gen 5 is another story that will be defined over time but the irreversible game changer of this franchise has given everything that could offer to us. One should be really proud of spending time on this series and living its ups and downs as an unique experience.

Anything else beyond the 12th of October of 2019, it´s up to the fan for leaving or staying in the community. Either way,both decisions are understandable and respectable to my eyes. The memories will always stay there.


Anon 11/08/2019 (Fri) 22:54:59 [Preview] No.4978 [X] del >>4986
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My thoughts on the final are mixed. Loved that it ended in a pretty epic fashion but my brain can't stop logicing it.


Anon 11/09/2019 (Sat) 06:42:50 [Preview] No.4986 [X] del >>4987
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>>4978
I'd say that you try to decide what standard you are going to judge it by. Say, does the Villain's magic destroying Canterlot but being blocked by a piece of debris so Twily can escape bug you? If it's those kind of simple logical nitpicks I think that would be a waste of brain power unless you are writing a fic that deals with that event some how or are really going to nerd out on Magic. I wouldn't let that affect that my rating. I would say that be better to compare and contrast with internal consistency of the show's logic (for example, getting angry for Celestia being stupid from a in real world strategic perspective is one thing, being so stupid that Twilight pointed out how crazy in the universe it is to transfer power in a few days is another). Though even then there is a special problem with the final is that, whenever something happened in the show, I'd wait to see if another episode corroborated it before it could be regarded as canon. Often episode's will have an implication or two that will never go anywhere and only be implied once. (Basically my model is: episode canon, season canon, overall canon or implication that has been made for more than one season). I've been trying to look at overall motifs and dynamics, but with the final, this is the last look. So how should one judge a minor throw away line there?


Anon 11/09/2019 (Sat) 19:52:44 [Preview] No.4987 [X] del >>5001
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My problem was that it felt like the story was sacrificed for a great final. Emotional highs and fanservice over something more substantial. Yet I love it to death even when bringing up the faults, like Twilight feeling like Celestia's puppet and flawed rehash of the premier in the final. I don't know. I still have pride for getting to this mark.

>>4894
I think this is a perfect point. There was a lot of set up with no pay off for them.


Anon 11/10/2019 (Sun) 13:27:54 [Preview] No.4992 [X] del >>5001 (you)>>5045 (you)>>5046 (you)>>5047 (you)
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>>4911
>Nah, I could understand that desire though do yo mean Friendship letters?
I did say pre-alicorn era, so I guess I did. I don't really remember what I was thinking at the time, I could have meant either the letters or the journal. The general idea was something like the characters remembering a simple friendship lesson from back then that was pertinent to their new situation in some way, or something like that.
>>4920
>the question that comes up to my head by reading this line is not about the invasive part (dude, we are two people doing a personal alternate project and the third one has left this in summer sadly) but when you began to lurk over here.
I don't have a great memory, but I think it was sometime last year.
>Those who have been watching the show for several years, stayed loyal to it, thought that it would never, it actually ends with this execution and with a message of: it´s time move on, it´s up to you to write the next book.
I think it was an especially good message for kids, and was actually somewhat similar to to The Last Crusade earlier in the season. And in fact it was the topic common to both of those episodes that made that moment in the last episode so emotional for me, but The Last Crusade didn't really affect me. I think it's because Scootaloo's friends were with her the whole time, and they actively tried to stop the move. There wasn't a moment where Scootaloo felt that emptiness. I wish I had seen this last episode a long time ago, because I didn't deal with having to move to the other side of the country well. We moved in the middle of a school holiday, so I didn't get to say goodbye to my friends, and once we got there I didn't make any new ones. Even more than a decade later, and now and adult, I'm still miserable about having moved. So that moment where Twilight was alone in her empty library - I knew that feeling exactly, and it dug up a lot of old pain that I'd forgotten. Twilight has always been the pony I've identified with the most, but never moreso than then.
>I haven´t given it a 2nd try yet but I am feeling like it´s a true highlight for this season.
>I have good news for you, it might not be the best ending that one can consider.....but this poll shows that you are far from alone in those thoughts. It has won the EQD poll this week.
It doesn't totally surprise me, but I am surprised that there aren't more detractors. I guess it was better received than I thought.
>I disagree with this statement personally. In fact, Magical Mystery Cure feels sort of disappointing for the alicornification process (not the status but the build up was the problem for me), leaving it in a pretty low spot in terms of finales.
Like with the use of the word "pandering" earlier, I think I've completely miscommunicated what I mean. I always saw the season 3 finale as being a deliberate lead-in to season 4 (though having read your post perhaps I was wrong about that. back in early season 4 I still wasn't really reading show news and stuff, I was just into the fan content and the show itself without much interest in the meta back then) so what I meant was I think a different finale that actually satisfyingly closed the show, without any alicorn shenanigans or hat-pull problems or any of the baggage that came post-alicorn. Something like when Dolores beat Chrysalis, except with Twilight and her gang.
>The Last Problem beats MMC for me by a really really long mile.
I'm 100% in agreement. I was actually enjoying MMC until the Celestia and Alicorn reveal bits. I remember when I was watching it that I thought it would be really cool if there was a 4th season where it took place in this universe with the cutie marks messed up, and Twilight has to fix the world with her knowledge. It made sense to me at the time, feeling like a lot of the friendship issues has been resolved so having the world get wrecked accidentally by Twilight would re-introduce conflict. Anyway, there's other reasons why I hate MMC, but I won't get into that, the point is sorry for not explaining my point better.


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>>4987
>My problem was that it felt like the story was sacrificed for a great final.
>Yet I love it to death even when bringing up the faults
Frankly, though I'm maybe a bit more mixed mind, I think the final was trying to do everything that a final should do. Even stuff with the villians I can't really fault it heavily for simply because I'm not sure how ploting it another way would've worked without robing some spotlight from main characters and fan service though it still perhaps could've have been done a bit better.

>>4992 (you)
>so I didn't get to say goodbye to my friends, and once we got there I didn't make any new ones. Even more than a decade later, and now and adult, I'm still miserable about having moved.
Wow... I can relate to that. Not the moving part but my entire social group collapsed from rumors and lies. Though I wasn't a prime player in it I did lose most of my friends and still haven't recovered from it fully.
I can see how that would get to you. Though I'll cover it in detail later, yes, I fully agree it was a perfect parting message.

> It made sense to me at the time, feeling like a lot of the friendship issues has been resolved so having the world get wrecked accidentally by Twilight would re-introduce conflict.
You know? I get this. In thinking in terms of a children's show hitting it's syndication mark and it's hype. I mean they reformed Discord and ponies seemed at the height of their power, so I can see why someone would feel that all the problems are fixed, new ones have to be artificially introduced.

>I don't have a great memory, but I think it was sometime last year.
Wow, you've been here a bit longer than I thought.
Cool.


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Anon 11/13/2019 (Wed) 20:45:59 [Preview] No.5012 [X] del >>5014
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Well... uh... more pony I guess. I am not sure I like this from the look. G 4.5 has arrived.

https://www.equestriadaily.com/2019/11/hasbro-presser-reveals-new-show-title.html


Anon 11/14/2019 (Thu) 04:43:34 [Preview] No.5014 [X] del >>5040>>5048
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>>5012
You poor ponyfags. They turned your show into Teen Titians Go!

Unironic POLS for thoughts on the final I want to post later


Anon 11/16/2019 (Sat) 22:48:33 [Preview] No.5033 [X] del >>5034>>5064>>5311>>5312
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Where do I go?

I just rewatched the Ending of the End Parts 1 and 2 yesterday and I could go on a tangent on so many things! Positive, negative, theories etc. It just feels like I could run so long with this that I'm not sure where to start. I've decided just to make what could turn out to be a pretty rambling finish to this review and move on. As there is other things to discuss. The Last Problem will be getting it's own separate review later.


Anon 11/16/2019 (Sat) 22:59:31 [Preview] No.5034 [X] del >>5035>>5041>>5065>>5066
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>>5033
I think my overall critical feel for this at this time is that it did nearly everything it had to do as a final, at a possible expense at a better written story. I'm not sure how much of I can really blame or give credit to on the story front as this show was a process between multiple individuals and organizations. Like, for example? Hasbro has final say on everything in the show, even if they are somewhat liberal with it they have intervened at various times, sometimes strangely (a recent QnA by big jim (I think) said that Hasbro was the one who said Diamond Tara's story was through, which seems strange). This is not a total defense of the crew conduct or to say that all of their writing mistakes are 100% just Hasbro meddling, but it's a factor that prevents me from blaming simply one person for something that I find questionable at least easily . There are multiple factors influencing this show. Multiple writers moving in and out, etc. I still have my criticisms and observations. For example, even with above in mind, it seems like the last three seasons before Season 9 were setting up each for something long term then have to put it aside for something else. Dolores being the new character that the audience can relate to and does the adventuring in Season 6, yet her roll gradually got downgraded. Season 7 introduced a big lore set up and had the most cohesive and connected plot with some attempt to tie into the comics and such better, yet in Season 8, we have a school, in Season 9, the school is partly sidelined. With each change it felt like the previous plot points were almost obstacles to the current storyline of the season. I think the blame gets scattered pretty far around and not all the story adjustments were handled poorly (Dolores's role reduction probably being the smoothest) This episode had to be the end to all of it and try to include as many call backs to the mess of the story while focusing primary on the main core of characters. They had numerous callbacks, fit the school in, had Crissy fight Dolores, and even brought back the pillars for a bit part while having the story still primary centered on the mane6. Looking at it on an episode level I think they did what they needed to do.


Anon 11/16/2019 (Sat) 23:02:23 [Preview] No.5035 [X] del >>5036>>5067
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>>5034
So, what can I hold accountable to this episode? It's hard to say. Because I think a lot of what I have as a problem is more of stuff that should've been handled before this ep. I'm still a bit split on Cozy and the whole subversion of friendship, a lot of potential yet apparently they didn't even have a backstory for her, which just seems nuts to me considering how interesting of a concept she represented. Is that the episode's fault though? I mean, having too big of a villain story would have disrupted the final. Of any story to have the villains playing a fun roll of big baddies this is the one where it is most fitting. So it's perhaps something that should have been thought of long before. Another factor that is perhaps a stronger line of criticism is the season opener, which feels way too similar to this final. Perhaps even a more desperate situation than what they had faced here as Sombra actually was going around imposing mass mind control while here the populace for the most part still retained their anatomy and actually factored in the end. But is that something that I hold against the episode? Perhaps I can hold the fact that Twilight becoming demoralized and going off on her own only to be encouraged by her friends has been done. It almost feels kind of stupid for Twilight this season to be bemoaning the loss of the elements that they had already been removed once for the plot in season 4 and Twilight having a repeat of the elements where inside all along, something she learned in the second episode of the show and in the opener. I actually think I could muster a partial line of defense involving the fact that this is a very very scary situation and this is the moment that makes the most sense for Twily to be demoralized. Perhaps some writing on this end could be better but I'd say that this should be here and the opener should've been written a bit differently instead.

See what I mean? Spent hours thinking on this. I almost want to say it's flawed yet almost perfect...


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There was a lot of things I liked. I loved the mane6 fight scenes probably the most. The grand fight at the end was fun too. I loved Pinkie Pie controlling Discord's chaos magic. It was a fun moment with perhaps a bit of implications. I liked how they fit in all the cameos in the end fight... I don't know where to go.

Here is some scattershot observations;

1) I remember especially in the earlier days they tried to mostly explain away Pinkie's seemingly odd abilities. Cartoon gags were just that. She just hid things around ponyvile, etc. Yet even in Season 1 we were presented with an ability that was shown to have no explanation and Pinkie's cartoon gags had become increasingly acknowledged in plot. And Pinkie's strange abilities even in the Golden Age of Season 1 and 2 (using her party canon in fight with the changelings in a Canterlot Wedding) and the Silver Age of Season 4 (for example, her using her mane to drill underground in Bats!) went a bit beyond just a gag. I'd say that Pinkie having something more than just beyond jokes was already pretty close to canon early on and has become almost certainly canon with time. Could Pinkie controlling Discord's magic after having established how hard and dangerous this was be them saying that Pinkie has a bit of chaos magic? I'd say it's possible, as in you wouldn't be just running into headcanon territory.

2)...but one must remember that magic has been usually pretty inconsistent, especially in later seasons. I mean we have Cozy Glow being able to perfectly control magic as an alicorn in this same episode. It's strange to try to rationalize with how much trouble Twilight had with the massive boon of magic is season 4 finial. Yet, I could see some half decent attempts, but ultimately this was given just to give Cozy a boost to up her level of threat with the other villains. I'd really like to try to study the magic in the show because even if logic took a back seat at times they still tried to put implications for rules and there have been somethings that they have been weirdly consistent on (or so that I can recall) like with Teleportation and some strangeness I've noticed with the Alicorns that I'll hopefully get onto later.

3) They finally made the Pinkie and the Brain reference in show! (though it was a bit at an odd moment)

4)So many call backs! It was nice for them to fit little bits devoted to such things as 10 seconnds flat and Cherry Chimmychonnga or however you spell that... but there is one call back that was bigger than the rest for me...


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Donut Joe's... that last scene calling back all the way to season 1's final. I'm gonna have to partly take back what I said about an emotional punch, for this does have it for me, perhaps even bigger than the Last Problem (though it maybe in part because of that episode). It just calls back to a time when things were simpler for the show. I'm at a loss as to what to say here impart because from here on out my emotions go into a wild divergence in what is some of the strongest ambivalence I've ever felt. It just feels like that small simple world is shattered in a way. I don't like this scene, yet I love that it was here. I've been trying trying to split my emotion and see if there are any rational criticisms that I can muster and I can't. It's a beautiful scene. I'm not sure even if it's the scene itself that actually makes me so emotional with it. Part of it is from the obvious acknowledgment the show is ending though. There is a certain... pain with it all, but I'm not sure how to put it. Like I'm not sure it's the fact that it's ending on how it ended. I'll get more into that with the next and much harder review that will be The Last Problem. It's really strange as I feel a completeness and almost satisfaction as well there to and I do not what anypony to think my thoughts are purely negative. Maybe it's better to say that I love this scene but I don't enjoy it. Oh by the way, that scene is also my favorite scene... I just can't stand watching it!

7.5/10 This rating seems low doesn't it? Keep in mind that 7 for means satisfactory. It's just a compromise. This is based on the quality mixed with my enjoyment (hard to have fun for me with the stakes, so my fun levels on this are lower tier) yet in ways I adore this. I've wanted to give as high as an 8.7 to as low as a 6. I think I have settled to overall liking it but I've thought through several times and sometimes have radically different feel for things.


Anon 11/17/2019 (Sun) 00:06:33 [Preview] No.5039 [X] del >>5069>>5311>>5312
>>5036
Alright, two more.

5) I found the dynamic interesting with all the races separating. I remember that being a comon head canon early on where each of the races lived separately and just interacted/visited each other (Unicorns in Canterlot, Pegisi in Cloudsdale and Earth Ponies in POnyville). It strange after seeing all the stuff contradicting it to see a dynamic like that happen on screen. TBH, it almost feels wrong as, from a real world logic perspective, there would be those who'd still be completely tied to there communities. But even from the logic of the show you'd think some of the ones who were family would've stayed (we did see Sugarmac) but I wouldn't think Bon Bon and Lyra would have split either. This would've been better if they had said most, rather than all, of the unicorns and pegisi had left. This also sets up an interesting thought for other mixed families. Aw well, while there could've been a bit of more of nuance, they probably would've had the time to do more than a thrown away line or implication. Moderately irksome.

6) Did they do a good job with the set up? They at least had this implication with how the unicorns turned quickly at Crissy's suggestion that it was beneath them back in ep 17. There could have been more but it's I can find reasonable happening mostly offscreen with other plot points they had to tend to. This season has been pretty weird overall with its arc. We have some tiny background elements brought up more than once and actually somewhat matter (Like the fragments of chrissy's thrown) and others that seem slightly askew or DOA (What was the magic tree house for!?!?! Holo-Twi had a cameo...). It's honestly in the middle as I wouldn't call it awful but it isn't as smooth of an integration as Season 4 or 7.


Anon 11/17/2019 (Sun) 00:18:31 [Preview] No.5040 [X] del >>5048
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>They turned your show into Teen Titians Go!
Will see how it is. Though my expectations are at the highest it may have some interesting elements but still feel kind of bland/strange to at the lowest it being something that is utterly irredeemable and soulless. I'm wouldn't mind being surprised but I place my bets it being somewhere between those two.

>Unironic POLS for thoughts on the final I want to post later
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>>4853
pic related


Anon 11/17/2019 (Sun) 00:33:41 [Preview] No.5041 [X] del
>>5034
>a recent QnA by big jim (I think) said that Hasbro was the one who said Diamond Tara's story was through, which seems strange
Here it is.
https://www.equestriadaily.com/2019/09/cut-ideas-and-general-my-little-pony.html
Q: Did you ever have any ideas or pitches for a Silver Spoon focus episode?

A: Yup. An executive at Hasbro told us after we pitched some stuff for SS and DT, that they felt their story was “over”.


Anon 11/17/2019 (Sun) 22:28:59 [Preview] No.5045 [X] del >>5050 (you)>>5311>>5312
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>I think it was sometime last year.
then you could have probably left a random/spontaneous post here. It´s no wonder that you would go here considering that /endpone/ reached the first page by that point.

>in fact it was the topic common to both of those episodes that made that moment in the last episode so emotional for me, but The Last Crusade didn't really affect me. I think it's because Scootaloo's friends were with her the whole time, and they actively tried to stop the move. There wasn't a moment where Scootaloo felt that emptiness.
I have my reservations towards The Last Crusade but I can see the similarities between both episodes, that scene when all Scootaloo´s friends appeared felt like the CMC circle was coming to a close (even though the grown up episode happened later in the season). It tried to bring that feeling but Twilight´s one has more staying power because of the different circumstances. Even though that would be unfair, considering that the CMC are fillies and even with that factor, they have faced quite messed up situation in their path.

So yeah, I didn´t get that strong feeling either.

>didn't deal with having to move to the other side of the country well. We moved in the middle of a school holiday, so I didn't get to say goodbye to my friends, and once we got there I didn't make any new ones. Even more than a decade later, and now and adult, I'm still miserable about having moved.

>that moment where Twilight was alone in her empty library - I knew that feeling exactly, and it dug up a lot of old pain that I'd forgotten.Twilight has always been the pony I've identified with the most, but never moreso than then.

I am going to be honest, I didn´t expect (even though it´s on the nature of /endpone/) reading those words from your part in the first posts here. I understand pretty well that The Last Problem has shown those hard aspect of getting into a new phase and feeling helpless that everything will go sooner or later. It´s truly awful, challenging to accept and it might cause some irreversible changes.

I don´t know if I had mentioned before but there were a few fans out there who had anxiety from seeing this episode, causing an emotional trigger of losing someone or something that you cared for more years than expected. The famous 5 stages of grief could come into play and I read out there that those people needed genuine help. The finale was only a reminder or a medium to realize about their own lives and this is why this episode is really hard to review on its own: a lot of people can take really personal stories out of it.

I believe that the only other case that has caused this much of an impact could be Toy Story 3 but...as this show was an experience, it reaches more personal levels to anyone, hence why you feel like that.

I am fortunately too young but I am doomed at trying to avoid these situations, it will happen to me and anyone else.

If you don´t want to feel so bad, I don´t have almost any current friends from the school nor the secondary one (expect one or two that I met more outside of it than inside), I only had classmates that made my life really annoying. I went in reverse, the more I grew up, the more I appreciated my situation. Despite not moving at all from the town, I simply notice them but barely any interactions happen between those old mates and me.

Despite not moving away, I mostly go to the capital city and sometimes for quite long periods, I stay there all day long, only coming back at nights. I met really shitty "friends/mates" and now, I don´t even know about their existence nor I care at all.

So, I´ve discovered a better life these days,in spite of those people that I met in the past, not because of them. And let me tell you, having one or two good ones is much more valuable than having a gang of 10 people in the long run (even though it feels like I am describing the Sweet and Smoky episode here)


Anon 11/17/2019 (Sun) 23:11:47 [Preview] No.5046 [X] del >>5050 (you)
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>I am surprised that there aren't more detractors. I guess it was better received than I thought.
Twilight has a beautiful design in this episode and the alicornhood isn´t anything new for us. The episode was really well written, material for bringing emotive discussions around it and closes the series with gags and a little story that add the cherry on top of the series. The fanbase might come up with a few dramas back and forth but Twilicorn had its hype in 2013. It wouldn´t make sense to expose that regret at this point.

When you get past of the superficial,one analyzes the aspects that matter. The Last Problem ended this series wonderfully and as I see it, it deserves to be cherished.

>the use of the word "pandering" earlier, I think I've completely miscommunicated what I mean.
fan pandering is hard to explain. I will try to answer it in my own way.
In theory, this show was meant to have 65 episodes, meaning that MMC was the actual finale for this series. From that change of direction, it´s heavily implied (with good reasons) that Hasbro kept going just to milk the franchise for more years,hence the episode didn´t feel really rewarding for such a change at the time (now,alicorns after seeing Flurry Heart or Cozy Glow aren´t that big of a deal, but at that time,it was).

I would say that fan pandering is everything that wasn´t planned from the show.One could say Derpy,Slice of Life, the laser beam fights or getting to know more about the lore.

However, I consider that the pandering in general was more about continuing a series that was meant to end before yet its steps felt natural for its own universe and even getting feedback from its own additions: Derpy got a job in the mail office, the new species had their own slice of life eps and the epic fights became a standard.

It´s no longer about pandering to the fans because it´s accepted by the show itself so fans could run out of wishlists, changing them over time.It´s more like the show panders to its own self, creating a weird spontaneous timeline that joins every single element that has had an impact on its universe. This is shown in some finales (like the 4th or 5th ones)when the writers implied that it could have been the last season for the generation. Fortunately, there isn´t that uncertainty anymore.

>I think a different finale that actually satisfyingly closed the show, without any alicorn shenanigans or hat-pull problems or any of the baggage that came post-alicorn.
yeah. You can see that it wraps up all the past characters or gags that were shown in the past, so it´s not like the conflict comes out of nowhere like MMC did for "reasons". You cannot find anything controversial in The Last Problem, because it´s mundane and didn´t require strange writing decisions for closing it.Purely slice of life


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>I was actually enjoying MMC until the Celestia and Alicorn reveal bits
I knew about her getting wings (I joined in 2014 so I saw images of her with the wings before) and I was really disappointed in its setup.I expected something of a greater scale but nope, just songs and a random spell, so it felt more anticlimatic than controversial

>it would be really cool if there was a 4th season where it took place in this universe with the cutie marks messed up, and Twilight has to fix the world with her knowledge.
>a lot of the friendship issues has been resolved so having the world get wrecked accidentally by Twilight would re-introduce conflict.
you got it with that episode. However, not even the writers cared that much about it and a cutie mark problem is almost like filling in the blank for its resolution, considering that they haven´t been all that consistent.Like magic,I find their concept really hard to take seriously,considering that any writer will find a random plot device with them but also twisting their concept during that episode,simply because it serves for their convenience in those 22 minutes

>there's other reasons why I hate MMC
>sorry for not explaining my point better
don´t worry
and I can see that hate. It stacked up interesting elements and connected them in a really awkward manner and anyone can tell that the episode could have gone through very different directions with more layers of depth or genuine logic. But it was a musical episode with an important change (not so relevant after its hype) introduced in those short 22 minutes. The writing was rushed and the staff admitted it

The Last Problem really rewards the viewer and nothing that appears there comes out of nowhere. It´s built up from what we have seen and following a much less confusing formula. MMC tried to be really big and it felt disjointed while The Last Problem went into a simple direction for a really rewarding ending.


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>They turned your show into Teen Titians Go!
eh, I don´t care all that much. We´ll see how it goes but for now, fans know how to make that artstyle better than the promos. Gen 4 is over and ended up in October, we closed the book a month ago. Only the comics could bring something interesting occasionally based on the show but as for the main canon, the 4th gen rollercoaster isn´t working anymore, not even for Equestria Girls.

This is quite possibly a spin off to fill a toyline for Hasbro, milking the franchise until it runs dry. It´s a toy commercial at its core but damn, it felt really good to have one of a great quality like Friendship is Magic.

Really sad to see the capitalist interests prime more than the spirit but eh, the standards set for that are really low. I am not creating any dramas towards it because the big deal is over. It hasn´t aired yet but I know what to expect from how it looks.

I am aiming more at the comics for now or how the development might go for gen 5. Besides, MLP had a really terrible period before FiM: gen 3.5. Those times were truly dark even for a little girls cartoon.

>Unironic POLS for thoughts on the final I want to post later
well, that can be interesting to read.

>>5040
>Though my expectations are at the highest it may have some interesting elements but still feel kind of bland/strange to at the lowest it being something that is utterly irredeemable and soulless. I'm wouldn't mind being surprised but I place my bets it being somewhere between those two.
basically this.


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>>5001
>Wow, you've been here a bit longer than I thought. Cool.
It's a very good thread. I loved reading the reviews here after watching an episode. I'll probably save some of them to go along with future viewings of the show's later seasons.
>>5045
>I am going to be honest, I didn´t expect (even though it´s on the nature of /endpone/) reading those words from your part in the first posts here
I guess I didn't really think about that. Mainly I was feeling a lot of emotion from the episode still and wanted to share that in some way. I didn't really think too much about how it was some of my first posts here since I was used to posting on 8chan's /pone/, and to some extent on /mlp/ and ponychan. I don't have anyone who I can talk to about MLP, so I guess I just talked about how it affected me personally here. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to post about it on /mlp/, and I liked this thread, so I suppose that's why.
>And let me tell you, having one or two good ones is much more valuable than having a gang of 10 people in the long run
I only ever had 1 or 2 good friends to begin with, and spending time with more than 2 people at once is something I have difficulty navigating, and in such situations I typically find that I am silent and withdrawn. I think that the issue for me was that the 3 friends I used to have were all people I'd met because our parents knew each other and we'd spent time together since we were toddlers.
>>5046
>fan pandering is hard to explain. I will try to answer it in my own way.
You've written a very good response on fan-pandering. I was familiar with it, I was just using the word itself to refer to something else entirely, that is when parts of the episodes feel dumbed down for the younger audience.
>>5047
>you got it with that episode
Sorry for miscommunicating again, what I meant to say was it would be great to have an arc, like a season, from the plot of that episode rather than just cramming it into one episode.
>MMC tried to be really big and it felt disjointed while The Last Problem went into a simple direction for a really rewarding ending.
I think this summarises it perfectly.
I hope I didn't get anything wrong or use the wrong tone, I don't want to ruin the thead.


Anon 11/19/2019 (Tue) 09:37:28 [Preview] No.5051 [X] del >>5054>>5055
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>It's a very good thread. I loved reading the reviews here after watching an episode. I'll probably save some of them to go along with future viewings of the show's later seasons.
Wow, that's is probably the highest compliment one can give here. I'm glad someone else has found our reviews and chit chat meaningful. Whether it's by factoring our judgements or just finding the thread comfy.

>. I didn't really think too much about how it was some of my first posts here since I was used to posting on 8chan's /pone/, and to some extent on /mlp/ and ponychan.
Hey, a hint of the personal is part of what caused this board to last, so you weren't making a mistake in reflecting a little here.

> and in such situations I typically find that I am silent and withdrawn. I think that the issue for me was that the 3 friends I used to have were all people I'd met because our parents knew each other and we'd spent time together since we were toddlers.
Those bounds would be hard to simply replace. Ouch. Yeah, though it is to different circumstances as I have said I really feel ya here.

>I hope I didn't get anything wrong or use the wrong tone, I don't want to ruin the thead.
I'd say if you were shitposting about X without really offering any arguments, that be ruining the thread. Now? You are merely commenting some on the side and expressing a bit of your own thoughts. You sound almost how we felt back when this first started. There was a bit of fear and I remember being fearful of accidentally being misunderstood so I'd often write clarification. A fear of derailing the train off the tracks. Understandable as you both don't want to poison the well of what I guess would be described as a mix of a lounge of idle chitchat yet sometimes serious discussion and debate while also feeling unsure of messing up the vibe of what is mostly a correspondence of two anons. You haven't, though...

>I don't have anyone who I can talk to about MLP
If you feel like you'd be breaking a taboo here in this thread. I'd like to formally invite ya to the next thread I am planing to make devoted to post FiM run discussion thread where any and all episodes and such could be discussed scattershot. At the very least I'd be posting random reviews of random episodes after rewatches, and at most deep diving as try to categorize every magical feat in the show and develop a full model of canon


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something has alas has come up, so PoLS for now...


Anon 11/19/2019 (Tue) 23:15:29 [Preview] No.5053 [X] del >>5301 (you)
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>>5050 (you)
>I was feeling a lot of emotion from the episode still and wanted to share that in some way. I didn't really think too much about how it was some of my first posts here since I was used to posting on 8chan's /pone/, and to some extent on /mlp/ and ponychan.
wow, so you have exposed yourself before adapting your way of shitposting in those boards,...I am certainly speechless. I don´t know how to reply to this but it seems that this thread has pulled that trigger inside you for that review.

>I don't have anyone who I can talk to about MLP, so I guess I just talked about how it affected me personally here. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to post about it on /mlp/, and I liked this thread, so I suppose that's why.
/mlp/´s discussion thread for the episodes only last one single day, so if you miss that Saturday, then it´s done, the discussion is not located anywhere except between the shitposts, forcing yourself to find any place to discuss something. The discussion for the leaked episodes have had a more laid back tone here because we agreed to do the complete opposite of /mlp/: instead of rushing the thoughts like /mlp/ did with the leaks in August (watching the episodes once and never coming back), the board decided to discuss them at its own pace, hence why I haven´t posted mine about the finale yet (waiting for Bridgefag´s thoughts to come first). Not to mention that we have other ideas, projects or other things in our lives.

The tone feels calmer because no one needs this board nor it will become relevant for the fanbase,it´s an alternate project and we could come back to /mlp/ at anytime without any problem if it actually ends for whatever reason. You must have felt that as I read from your post.

>spending time with more than 2 people at once is something I have difficulty navigating, and in such situations I typically find that I am silent and withdrawn.
are you me? really? Because I have felt that way especially in my childhood and teenage years. These days I can handle this aspect better but still have effects of that behavior sometimes. If you are describing me, you are nailing it blindly.

>I think that the issue for me was that the 3 friends I used to have were all people I'd met because our parents knew each other and we'd spent time together since we were toddlers.
uff, you were used to having an inner circle among you three, implying that you might not have had interactions from outsiders or close connections to people out of your comfort zone. It´s no wonder that the slap that you would receive in the future would hurt more, most likely because of that mismatch. Now I get your context and I can see where that comes from (to an extent). Hopefully you recover from that lack of experience.

>You've written a very good response on fan-pandering. I was familiar with it
yeah and I´ve said that before in other posts. I could mentioned better examples or a better explanation but the concept of fan pandering is about as confusing as other aspects for the show. It´s not easy to figure out a consistent answer, keeping in mind that its concept is as dynamic as the weather for tomorrow. What could be fan pandering to you might be a disservice for others and without replying in relative terms,that´s my answer towards it. For gen 5 or future content,that vision can change though.


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>>5050 (you)
>I was just using the word itself to refer to something else entirely, that is when parts of the episodes feel dumbed down for the younger audience.
hhmmmmmm you are implying that the kids have been keeping up with the series when they could have seen no longer as trendy after 2015. I might need examples to discuss this but for the most part, I have seen pretty mature material for a series of this kind.For example, I am implying that you might be talking about Pinkie Pie by going utterly obnoxious or emotional or something dumb like AJ and Rainbow Dash arguing in Non Compete Clause. I know where you are trying to go with it but it´s something too unspecific to discuss without any clear target on the topic.

>I meant to say was it would be great to have an arc, like a season, from the plot of that episode rather than just cramming it into one episode.
ah so it was that. I agree with that, it felt completely underwhelming in general. It could have been a really special two parter like Larson wanted originally but those plans were for ending the series. So that wish from yours (and also mine) also collapses with a context of actually ending the series or continuing it. In hindsight,if we knew that it was staying for more years, it could have taken that interesting path and season 3 wouldn´t have ended up as a questionable period that is placed in the lowest position when one ranks the seasons.

>I don't want to ruin the thead.
your posts ruining this thread? Oh boy, what should we feel if spammers left shitposts all over the place? Get a heart attack?
M8, your posts can be perfectly integrated and become a part of it when you bring something worthy to discuss. In fact, I didn´t plan to compare The Last Problem with MMC (before watching the finale again) and I wouldn´t have mentioned it during my review. But now that I have that comparison in mind, I have collected a different perspective before approaching my thoughts towards it.

>>5051
>I'm glad someone else has found our reviews and chit chat meaningful. Whether it's by factoring our judgements or just finding the thread comfy.
same. Although one has to keep the hooves on the earth because this is done without further expectations. This thread is simply about two people consistently giving their thoughts on the episodes. It simply happens that the thread has lasted much longer than /mlp/ ones and this one can afford to have much more time coming up with the personal thoughts. Also, the length of these posts are twice as longer than the replies for /mlp/. That helps.

>a hint of the personal is part of what caused this board to last, so you weren't making a mistake in reflecting a little here.
I know why it´s risky to do that but after seeing the ice broken with the personal thread and other confessions posted from the two or three main users, it seems easier to put that mindset in practice, the comfy ambient encourages it.

>if you were shitposting about X without really offering any arguments, that be ruining the thread.
this.


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>>5051
>You sound almost how we felt back when this first started. There was a bit of fear and I remember being fearful of accidentally being misunderstood so I'd often write clarification.
clarifying things might sound redundant but when there is a chance to interpret the lines in an intended direction... it helps much more than one can imagine.

>I'd like to formally invite ya to the next thread I am planing to make devoted to post FiM run discussion thread where any and all episodes and such could be discussed scattershot. At the very least I'd be posting random reviews of random episodes after rewatches, and at most deep diving as try to categorize every magical feat in the show and develop a full model of canon
well, yeah another thread for a gen 4 discussion in hindsight can be made so the episodes that one wants to discuss become the spotlight or at least, carry the topic to a certain degree of impact.

I can´t promise if it will have more activity than this or not, but an option to have in the catalog for anyone to use it, it makes sense and I agree with that idea.


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Well, I have finally watched the finale+epilogue again and taking into account how long Bridgefag´s review is, I am commenting on these episodes based on his reflections and adding a little bit more from my part. Let´s see if I decide to post a full personal commentary in the end though.

So, here it comes: The Ending of the End (S9, E24+E25)

>>4893
>Discord was behind this the whole time?
yes and the first time that has also walked that far in a millennia (quite an achievement considering how accustomed he was at using his power for teleporting himself).

>At first I did not know how this made me feel.
who wouldn´t get confused after watching it for the first time? I had thought for a moment that Grogar was replaced for Discord because of the bell...turns out that the old chaotic draconequus has made a foolish move here.

>It was interesting because I saw a lot who liked everything else otherwise find this particular aspect somewhat questionable. Freaky enough around when Friemies premiered I saw someone suggest this as a theory but I immediately disregarded it as one of those crack pot fan theories.
>I dropped out of most speculation when the leak happened. I'd say it's understandable, as, minus the tiniest hint or two this came completely out of nowhere for most of us and our brains struggled to wrap around it.
well, I would have never thought of that at the time that it aired. But for some reason while walking in the street, I had a spontaneous thought in my mind that Grogar´s beard looked a lot like Discord´s. I should have taken that thought more seriously and raise my suspicions on that visual similarity (probably the most logical argument that one can establish this theory before this finale). Either way, it was really easy to dismiss that theory considering how much of a chess move is. However, MLP surprises fans of all ages and considering an episode like Twilight´s Seven that has aired in this season, I don´t find this plot twist all that outlandish. In fact, I take it as a reward for the long time viewer. If anyone complained about FiM being predictable, this should have shut a lot of mouths out there.

Probably that smile coming from him in the last scene of The Summer Setback could be a subtle gesture (and you had asked yourself if he was planning something else): >>4602

>I'd say I actually quite like this plot twist, and not for a stupid surface level "because I didn't see it coming!" reason. I think this fits much better with Discord's nature than some would first think. Discord is chaos.
yeah I agree. Others might find this controversial but I think that this move pushes the boundaries and takes a step further for the show´s standards. I wanted entertainment and I had no idea what to expect so I was pleasantly surprised at how far the series can go from a technical level of writing. I expected Grogar´s stealing the show as the final boss and becoming the impossible creature to redeem. I was partially correct in this conclusion...but it was wrongly raised, because he was redeemed 6 seasons ago.


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>>4893
>If he was so powerful, why was he so inactive in certain major plots and easily nerfed by Chrysalis' thrown? If he was so weak, than why did he seem like he was manipulating things behind the scenes at times and was brought back by Celestia to fight Tirek? This season finally made a choice and actually brought a pattern here that makes some sense. Discord underestimating and being outright dismissive of his foes is how he has been defeated before by Celestia and Luna, the Mane6 and Tirek.
I wouldn´t have considered that approach on his behavior but yeah, his theoretically questionable actions are established by a pattern in his mind. It has been repeated a few times in the series and that flaw (yet characteristic) has become as apparent as his decisions in Twilight´s Kingdom and the S2 and S4 premieres.

I will say one thing about his (original) purpose in the show just to add something here: Larson had said Discord´s main purpose was to make Twilight´s life more annoying or even impossible, becoming a huge troll whose entertainment is how Twilight can surpass his challenges and chaotic magic. He gradually lessens this regard of getting the situation out of hand over time when he interacts with other characters (Fluttershy,Spike,Big Mac...) but even when one thinks that his moves won´t have any grand scale consequences, he puts Twilight into a final test. Even if that test was well intended for guaranteeing that Twilight is a good ruler for Equestria, his flaw (even though it was perfected except for that bell they could reach) made things much worse than expected.

>This defeat doesn't feel like an arbitrary plot hole or Discord acting uncharacteristically stupid so much as a flaw he has had from the very start where he thinks he is in control only to find himself taken out by some unforeseen magical force that he discounted do to his arrogance and forgetting that he is still can be valuable to such forces.What better way for a Spirit of chaos than to lose control of his own chaotic plan? Arguably, it makes his chaotic nature stronger because chaos itself can't be controlled.
which is ironic because he should have been pretending all this time that even this unexpected problem was going to happen according to his plans. Although it makes sense to believe that because he says this: "You don´t get to do the final test in the first day of class" so it was bound to happen that Twilight would have received a little "prize" from him for this coronation.

>it fits with season 4 when many thought that he was helping Twilight Sparkle grow and learn in his own twisted way with Tirek (speaking of that, this season fits season 4 in several ways.I'm not saying you couldn't draw a line of criticism toward it, but it just fits in so many ways that are previously established. Regardless if it was intentional or not it, Discord this season actually felt woven together as oppose to having a new set of info that just makes it more confusing for us to figure out.
yeah, I thought about that finale as well because it follows almost the same formula, only that there weren´t any songs here.

>I can understand those who wanted Grogar to be his own big deal, but I actually think this was the better option. They would have had to give him his own motivation and backstory, setting him up in the final which would have cut from the main cast and probably robbed us from om good moments.
we would have needed extra time for that and things would have been different for dealing that theoretical villain.


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>>4894
>I am onto the topic of the true three main villains. Our expectations were subverted. Was it a good subversion though? That is where I am slightly mixed.
I might have considered that mixed reaction at first, in the sense that it might look like the villains were raised this time by pushing the reset button but I am not all that convinced of it being a low point for the episode. My biggest issue with this episode is this line that you have said that this feels like Hollywood. However, not because of the plot twist but because the plot itself is nothing new and certainly falls into a cliché of famous superhero movies. Like I said with the premiere, I don´t know if my mind has changed but ironically enough, the context behind the action was the most generic part of it. The finale didn´t feel as fresh as other ones even though I appreciate that they had to go through that route for making it epic. Why do I disagree here with you in the villains aspect?

>let's use friendship to destroy Equestria for all it was built up wasn't really brought fully into the picture in the final. It was just the reason they were working together. It was an element that was introduced only to trick us and in The Ending of The End, they just acted like generic evil for the sake of being evil villains for the most part.
ironically enough, you have answered by yourself my reply. Sure you can sense that it was written as generic ones like Hollywood does all the time but here is the catch, they failed because they didn´t put Grogar´s words into practice. Before testing Discord´s magic locked in the bell, Cozy Glow tried to encourage both Chrysalis and Tirek say positive things at each other...and it mostly failed.
The reason why they failed in their plans was because they claimed the power individually as soon as they got it, potentially betraying at each other if Equestria fell into their ownership. This is repeated several times in the finale (Cozy Glow becoming a superpowerful alicorn or almost using the bell just when Chrysalis and Tirek were looking at the prisoners, Chrysalis repeating the word "I" and "my" in scenes like the Windigos´ problem...) and this pays off with two odds for them: Dolores getting out of the cage (releasing everyone else there) and the unexpected Windigos having ridiculous ancient powers that cannot be overlooked.

They failed not only because of their physical defeat but also because they didn´t actually do this together as Grogar told them to do.

>It feels like the Hollywood version of subversion/plot twist: "See we implied it was this the whole time but it's really not!" It feels like their was potential for something more here with this dynamic they set up.
the dynamic is there, just that when the power is so easy to obtain, those who are obsessed with it become even blinder. They were together because of beating Twilight in an attempted coup but the differences outweigh the resemblances when their objective isn´t there. Grogar´s base served as a sample of what they would do without her. Just that their power was the standard one but as soon as they taste it, it´s prone to have more than a simple discussion between them.


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>>4894
>It was a dynamic partly explored in the season 8 final and it felt clever but could use some more work. There could have been a much more interesting personal conflict other than Twilight losing hope do to the situation being dim from sheer power of villeins and having no elements of harmony.
eeeyup, this is probably the lowest point in terms of writing here. We have seen that helplessness several times (the movie, Twilight´s Kingdom, Friendship Is Magic...) and the closest thing for getting a different ending with those setups was Shadow Play actually. This is where the plot falls into the same situations that we all know and one doesn´t need to predict its resolution.It´s become almost an inherent tradition. I do like a lot of parts that have happened during the action scenes despite using the same motivations though.

>More of an ideological or philosophical bend to it, like TS having doubts on what friendship is if it can be used for evil or something that I think would be easier to set up with what we had: Cozy Glow, Crystalis and Tirek having discovered the bounds of friendship but still being an evil threat that needs to be naturalized. Even if they couldn't go that far it felt like there could have been a little bit more.
you will have to see that in the comics (Swift Foot in the latest issue) or with other villains whose high stakes aren´t actually that high.Nonetheless,I cannot deny your good suggestion in this concept. The counterargument that I can find to your idea is that they made it clear that they only wanted to be better villains while they were singing their song in Frenemies.

>it does feel pretty reasonable that they formed a somewhat shaky alliance and it really did not go much beyond that.
they didn´t obey Grogar´s advice, they rebelled against him and his discourse.It seems that the little light they saw in Frenemies was ruined as soon as they perceived a huge power level in Grogar´s bell, much more after obtaining Discord´s powers (also the royal sisters´in the second part).

>I think too there is a point to be made with the nature of the fact that this was the final itself. They were going to try to squeeze as much in as possible. Would exploring such a theme draw too much time away from the main cast? This is the stronger line.
this is important as well. How would you write a finale of this kind with spicy elements such as powerful villains (including a "new" one) and making it as grand as possible without rushing the pacing too much? This could also apply to that conflict between the pony races, we would need extra time or deleted scenes in a DVD or a director´s cut in order to stack up everything at the expense of not airing in the time constraints. The finale was a huge deal and despite being my main complaint that this sort of falls into a generic motivation for Twilight, I understand why one would pick the safest option here.

>Anywhere to just have a giant battle and tons of fanservice in a checklist style format the final is probably the most justified. Putting too much of an overarching theme could've messed that intention up and this choice may not be best to view as a screw up on the writers but a conscious choice on the writers to do it like this. This is why I say I am only slightly conflicted. T
eeeeyup, basically this.

>hey still fit in some interesting stuff with the trio (Chrissy vs Dolores, Tirek's father). Even if it's a thematic element that I think should have been explored better I'm not sure how critical I can be on it
they put it genuinely so it´s a sign that they were aware of more potential than the one established. But again, this is like the map, they stopped expanding it after the 8th season and strengthen what´s been established instead of going further and beyond.


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>>4895
>Were they justified in turning them to stone? Yes. Each one of them was still a threat and they had previously tried to deal with before. I think this was directly done do to how so many fans hated how everypony was getting redeemed left and right and I think it's 100% fitting for Tirek and 80% fitting for Crissy (because a redeemed Chrissy would certainly be interesting and have a lot to work with with how much hatred she holds and how long she has been a foe)
especially those who didn´t want Chrysalis redeemed because they wouldn´t stand her changedling design, losing all the appeal for her fans (some promised to flip the table if the staff did that). Her destiny wasn´t only written because of the writers (keep in mind that the writers were somewhat lost at what to do with her for a while) so even if canonically it´s less justified than Tirek, the fans didn´t want that route so I suppose it counts as a form of fanservice here.

I won´t deny that the redemption route could have been interesting for her character but when her hypothetical design and its implications become more relevant for the consumers, then turning her into stone surely looks like a minor problem for their standards. Those who complain at the writers for turning her into a statue should have argued back in 2016 to her fans, not crying now all over it on Twitter or Derpibooru.

If someone wants to point when this all started and how her redemption rejected among the fans, you should look at this little fella (and his transformation) in pic related (who ironically got a couple of lines in the finale).

>Cozy Glow is still a bit of a moral question but I think that goes back to season 8 when they locked her up in tartarus. They could have had her reject friendship and redemption better in season 8 or a another momenet in season 9.
I would buy it to a very low percentage during season 8 but after seeing the finale, no fu*yay*ing way. Again, there are other villains for taking the route that you are thinking about but I am completely confident that Cozy Glow doesn´t fall into that category.

>They were fully justified in taking out a rough alicorn in that moment though.
oh thanks because there is no doubt about it at that point.

>We never really knew how she became evil and her full backstory and if these had been explored better we have better perspective and it would have felt more satisfying rather than the big question marks left over our heads with her.

>the incomplete exploration of the character and her ideology have caused some even so far as to view her as a martyr to a subverted truth on Equestria friendship is magic, but magic is power
we might never know it and if the show went into that route, guess what you obtain from there? Dolores,Tempest and Trixie. Despite not knowing her context, there is one but important difference from the rest here: when she is given the chance to explain her action in School Raze, she outright rejects it consciously and proudly of her getting into the Tantabus. This means that even if we could find a personal motivation that could justify that messed up mindset, she wouldn´t facilitate it at all, answering to herself that she has no problems at all in that topic. That problem cannot be deployed to the table so one could point out the root of it. Either that or the writers didn´t think of this part for her purpose as a character.


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>>4894
>>4895
so if you wanted to have a villain with some redeemable features, exploring a bit their backstory....if Dolores, Tempest or Trixie weren´t enough, take a look at this one and her recently released comic arc because while the finale might not be what you desired from the legion of Doom, you surely sound more you want to explore towards the direction of pic related. Nor sure if it has the best execution to offer but I suppose she serves as a references of what you are asking from own thoughts.

Anyway, I have a few more posts to reply from your review but I haven´t overlooked at anything from your reflections so far. I am leaving it right here tonight.


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>>5062
well, I am starting to type incorrectly and that surely shows in this one.

Anyway, have a good night /endpone/. Take care.


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>>4900
>Twilight Sparkle's storyline in this felt pretty cookie cutter. Not her ascension so much as the beats that were hit; we saw all of this in the season premiere. A hopeless situation, the fall/destruction of Canterlot, Twilight Sparkle freaking out. The Ending of The End in many ways just feels like a more epic version of The Beginning of The End, and both share a lot with season 4's final as well, along with to a lesser extent the premiere of that season (we don't have the elements now!).
and as I have said before, this my major complaint with the episode that I can extract out of it. It´s quite logical to take it but it doesn´t take a lot risks because it has been established before. The biggest I can be quite snide here because...are you describing the movie or season 4´s finale? Because Tirek didn´t blow up Canterlot in that finale yet Tempest conquered Canterlot in less than 5 minutes.

>while I have yet to fully judge the elements of harmony being taken out of the picture and Twilight facing reality on her own twice only to have rainbow friendship magic come save them at the end. It is something that I can draw critical lines at yet almost smile in amusement that it happened twice. I will say this though: if you'd ask me anywhere large amounts of fan service and a bonkers turn your brain off and just watch the homages and call backs, it is the final of FiM.
the lack of the elements doesn´t bother me at all. In fact, more than service that moral of friendship being the actual power and acknowledging that the elements were simply tools to expose it with more clarity for a certain period is what has made Twilight´s discourse stronger and so, setting up the final climax properly. Honestly,I appreciate that they didn´t go through an outlandish route at beating them and those who helped the mane 6 were characters that interacted with her and learned a few lessons as well.

>>5033
>I could go on a tangent on so many things! Positive, negative, theories etc. It just feels like I could run so long with this that I'm not sure where to start. I've decided just to make what could turn out to be a pretty rambling finish to this review and move on.
yeah, I am applying that idea as well, reviewing it as if it was like any other because otherwise, we would never end with this. I had asked myself how I would comment on this yet all that I reflect in the end are a combination of both spontaneous yet down to earth answers that I can offer while posting.


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>>5034
>my overall critical feel for this at this time is that it did nearly everything it had to do as a final, at a possible expense at a better written story.
sounds like a very good summary for it. It was serviceable, entertaining and rewarded the long time fan with references thrown over the course of the episode. It doesn´t reach that perfection nor innovation that one could ask for but one cannot have everything when the legacy of this series is in a critical point to judge in hindsight.

>Hasbro has final say on everything in the show, even if they are somewhat liberal with it they have intervened at various times, sometimes strangely (a recent QnA by big jim (I think) said that Hasbro was the one who said Diamond Tara's story was through, which seems strange). This is not a total defense of the crew conduct or to say that all of their writing mistakes are 100% just Hasbro meddling, but it's a factor that prevents me from blaming simply one person for something that I find questionable at least easily.
that´s a complicated question to deal with. Sure, /mlp/ or part of the fanbase could go really rampant towards Jim but he´s simply a visible face of the crew. One cannot shoot the messenger despite supervising the show and yeah, reading that answer about Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon was certainly surprising. It explains why they were left completely aside after the 5th season all of a sudden yet for some reason, Snails and Snips, while being almost irrelevant in the past, get the green light instead.

Either Hasbro decided that because of marketing reasons and there were other priorities or they were aware of the writing process and said that her arc wouldn´t pan out that well by going deeper into them. I don´t know and one could wait a very long time for getting an answer and the reasons behind this decision.

>even with above in mind, it seems like the last three seasons before Season 9 were setting up each for something long term then have to put it aside for something else.
FiM has managed to be consistent enough for evolving and moving forward but they followed a very fine line that as soon as they moved it a little bit, things could fall apart at any moment or needed more time to be fixed. It´s not only that but it´s a mix of trying to appeal an adult fanbase while placing a new product or two out there. There are a lot of drafts behind this process and gen 4 in reality, considering its confusing nature.....was an undefined series after all. You won´t see this all that often and the only guaranteed thing that you can expect from it are...more pony content. Now with gen 5, they have a clearer way to find a successful method but if Larson had to rewrite MMC back in season 3 for example, let alone the writers with a line that they crossed long ago yet have to find a meaningful new territory as if nothing happened.

So yeah, it´s understandable to believe that the series could have gone through very different paths and even hinted them a bit yet were completely overwritten for what aired next. It´s quite possible that the writers felt as clueless as the fans at some point.


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>>5034
>Dolores being the new character that the audience can relate to and does the adventuring in Season 6, yet her roll gradually got downgraded. Season 7 introduced a big lore set up and had the most cohesive and connected plot with some attempt to tie into the comics and such better, yet in Season 8, we have a school, in Season 9, the school is partly sidelined.
yeah, it feels like they get the spotlight for being fresh but as soon as they aren´t trendy for the series, it jumps onto something else. The comics or chapter books take a break from that practice and show you that they have potential. But keep in mind one thing, the show was like writing a Bible, all the basics. If it goes wrong in its core, then almost anything will come with that flaw. The complementary material doesn´t feel as risky because it doesn´t reach the establishment for more canon elements yet they show was the main product for everything else. I read somewhere that Confalone felt much better writing for EQG specials because the freedom for that material was insane in comparison to the process behind a FIM episode (so one could guess that there is more pressure at writing the main material).

>I think the blame gets scattered pretty far around and not all the story adjustments were handled poorly (Dolores's role reduction probably being the smoothest)
they simply did what they felt like doing in that way. I am not all that bothered as long as the episodes delivered can stand on their own. The potential choices that they could have taken...yeah, one could get a lot of disappointments if someone expected the show for what it isn´t.

>This episode had to be the end to all of it and try to include as many call backs to the mess of the story while focusing primary on the main core of characters. They had numerous callbacks, fit the school in, had Crissy fight Dolores, and even brought back the pillars for a bit part while having the story still primary centered on the mane6. Looking at it on an episode level I think they did what they needed to do.
and they didn´t do a bad job at all honestly. I am quite impressed that have been capable to combine everything naturally and integrate them as one single unit. That merit should hailed and worthy of my respect. They have managed to connect them and give them their time to shine a little bit in it.

I mean, look at pic related. They have achieved to set up an Avengers End Game scene with all of them here. Relying on the same formula sometimes brings a change or two: from a Dragon Ball Z laser beam mode to a full Marvel Universe in one single finale. Those who wanted action in MLP,anything else will feel all downhill from here because man, that was pure fanservice.


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>>5035
>I think a lot of what I have as a problem is more of stuff that should've been handled before this ep. I'm still a bit split on Cozy and the whole subversion of friendship, a lot of potential yet apparently they didn't even have a backstory for her, which just seems nuts to me considering how interesting of a concept she represented.
again if you are still split with Cozy, I can post the Feats of Friendship arc just for you and see if that´s what you wanted for her to end with another pony that shares a lot of similarities in the circumstances. I will go further with this in the comic thread if you want but I have downloaded the issues tonight, just in case .

>Is that the episode's fault though?
short answer: nope
slightly longer answer: it isn´t considering that the season was built up with a pretty calm ambient for its own ending. The arc wasn´t as tense nor promised something in the long term for it that could go beyond these villains. In fact, considering that Discord had controlled them for all this season, these three felt more like a challenge rather than an unexpected big deal that adds up more lore or world building.

>it's perhaps something that should have been thought of long before.
yeah. For taking a vastly different direction, we would have needed more showtime to justify it and make assumptions before getting the cherry on top of it. However, for this one the cherry was the actual cake and there weren´t any more lore layers to check out.

>Another factor that is perhaps a stronger line of criticism is the season opener, which feels way too similar to this final.Perhaps even a more desperate situation than what they had faced here as Sombra actually was going around imposing mass mind control while here the populace for the most part still retained their anatomy and actually factored in the end. But is that something that I hold against the episode?
I do hold it and this is the main reason why I cannot consider this finale as perfect even though it is superb at what it delivers in its established formula. This is more of a personal taste here. In the premiere, what bored me was the action while here, the action was really entertaining yet the direction behind it was so....by the book. As if the formula was there written and the writers only had to put the numbers in order to get the intended answer. I understand that lack of experimentation but I cannot avoid my criticism of this part.

>I can hold the fact that Twilight becoming demoralized and going off on her own only to be encouraged by her friends has been done.
>I could muster a partial line of defense involving the fact that this is a very very scary situation and this is the moment that makes the most sense for Twily to be demoralized. Perhaps some writing on this end could be better but I'd say that this should be here and the opener should've been written a bit differently instead.
perhaps it was because it´s her trait and what you would expect from her. But yeah, they had really impossible situations before and overcame them like nothing. Even worse, she fell in desperation far from home (also destroyed), without anyone familiar (at the time) to help her in the movie. But again, it´s that needed momentum that one needs for taking the necessary steps, getting more morale and confidence as soon as you see that you are not alone.

>See what I mean? Spent hours thinking on this. I almost want to say it's flawed yet almost perfect
it is and I agree on that as well. It was competently well made but I cannot give it the perfect rating despite getting tons of fun while watching it.


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>I loved Pinkie Pie controlling Discord's chaos magic. It was a fun moment with perhaps a bit of implications.
implications like pic related,right?

>I remember especially in the earlier days they tried to mostly explain away Pinkie's seemingly odd abilities. Cartoon gags were just that. She just hid things around ponyvile, etc. Yet even in Season 1 we were presented with an ability that was shown to have no explanation and Pinkie's cartoon gags had become increasingly acknowledged in plot.
>I'd say that Pinkie having something more than just beyond jokes was already pretty close to canon early on and has become almost certainly canon with time. Could Pinkie controlling Discord's magic after having established how hard and dangerous this was be them saying that Pinkie has a bit of chaos magic? I'd say it's possible, as in you wouldn't be just running into headcanon territory.
you have answered yourself and yeah, if we take the comics a little bit into consideration... I would say that your comment sounds legit. It was an odd ability and it seems that the "Don´t question Pinkie Pie" has become like her surprising ability rather than her behavior for being random. Equestria could say thanks that Fluttershy was under Discord´s radar....because if he had in mind joining in with Pinkie, ""interesting"" events would have happened to this timeline.

>one must remember that magic has been usually pretty inconsistent, especially in later seasons.
ufff, that aspect is certainly a taboo for me to deal with. Not a taboo in its means of fear but more like, I am feeling too lazy at establishing a proper solid theory to defend and hopefully, keep some sort of logic in all the generation. It does have some consistency at times but it´s ripped away and the hypothesis is broken as soon as the convenience for a random episode sacrifices its logic so the plot feels justified. Celestia suffered this hype in this topic and thankfully, she was left aside from this discussion of power levels in the end because goddamn, finding the logic behind magic in this franchise is worthy of a doctorate.

>we have Cozy Glow being able to perfectly control magic as an alicorn in this same episode. It's strange to try to rationalize with how much trouble Twilight had with the massive boon of magic is season 4 final.
>I could see some half decent attempts, but ultimately this was given just to give Cozy a boost to up her level of threat with the other villains.
look it´s so fucked up that I have to go for the writing process instead. Those struggles that Twilight had were meant to develop her character and take out a situation or two that would lead to meaningful interactions among her friends, not to mention that she could have been seen as a mary sue (and even without it, /mlp/ claimed that for a while) if we take into account that she is the main character of the series. Cozy Glow´s increase in the power level isn´t seen as anything relevant for changing the interactions among the villains.

I cannot reply this by taking the magic logic. I simply can´t offer a down to earth answer for this observation.

>I'd really like to try to study the magic in the show because even if logic took a back seat at times they still tried to put implications for rules and there have been somethings that they have been weirdly consistent on (or so that I can recall) like with Teleportation and some strangeness I've noticed with the Alicorns that I'll hopefully get onto later.
Have a good luck understanding it. No seriously, without being snide at all, I admire that someone attempts to understand it completely. That topic isn´t made for me nor I see that it gravitates around a margin of tolerance in its own logic. As I say, good luck with it but I don´t believe that this series is made to compete with ultra defined basic RPG elements like Dungeons and Dragons or games like Final Fantasy.

>It was nice for them to fit little bits devoted to such things as 10 seconnds flat and Cherry Chimmychonnga or however you spell that...
oh yeah, that was nice.


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>I found the dynamic interesting with all the races separating.
yeah and that setup surely fit for bringing back the Windigos, just like the story of Heart´s Warming Eve back in season 2. Reality surpasses fictional stories and this finale sure was clever at reincarnating it to this timeline.

>I remember that being a comon head canon early on where each of the races lived separately and just interacted/visited each other (Unicorns in Canterlot, Pegisi in Cloudsdale and Earth Ponies in POnyville). It strange after seeing all the stuff contradicting it to see a dynamic like that happen on screen.
considering the huge amount of friendship lessons that were spread out, I suppose that some reactions never change and prove that ponies still hold that racism. And one would say that it is towards the other species but it is among themselves as well. However, as soon as they gained a little bit of morale, that mindset was removed.

>it almost feels wrong as, from a real world logic perspective, there would be those who'd still be completely tied to there communities.
this proves that only Ponyville is the closest case of finding harmony between them. Again, this show was supposed to be a pinkish world that is free of problems and it seems like it accomplishes all the ingredients for it....yet as soon as you dig a little bit deeper, there´s a lot of messed up stuff behind its innocent cover. Who would have guessed that ponies actually don´t get along all that well despite getting the proper education to avoid it and not even the entire continent applies it?

>But even from the logic of the show you'd think some of the ones who were family would've stayed (we did see Sugarmac) but I wouldn't think Bon Bon and Lyra would have split either.
and where do they come from? Eeeeyup, Ponyville.The homeland of harmony....because thanks to the mane 6, they solidified this aspect more than anywhere else.

>This also sets up an interesting thought for other mixed families. Aw well, while there could've been a bit of more of nuance, they probably would've had the time to do more than a thrown away line or implication. Moderately irksome.
it´s a really flawed concept in their society that has a lot of potential to exploit and put more plot devices around the topic.

However, who were the exceptions to this rule, not only between derivative characteristics like a horn or a couple of wings, but having completely different bodies? Pic related. It sounds ironic that a few young students who are polar opposites on the surface get along with themselves better than ponies whose differences aren´t all that wide in comparison? An interesting topic to think about to say the least.

>Did they do a good job with the set up? They at least had this implication with how the unicorns turned quickly at Crissy's suggestion that it was beneath them back in ep 17. There could have been more but it's I can find reasonable happening mostly offscreen with other plot points they had to tend to.
>We have some tiny background elements brought up more than once and actually somewhat matter (Like the fragments of chrissy's thrown) and others that seem slightly askew or DOA (What was the magic tree house for!?!?! Holo-Twi had a cameo...). It's honestly in the middle as I wouldn't call it awful but it isn't as smooth of an integration as Season 4 or 7.
again, only two episodes+ the finale were dedicated to the villains, there´s not much time for showing everything and you are correct that the sudden change of logic feels weird but I suppose that it happened off screen so the ambient would bring more momentum to the climax and more motivations for bringing the action and a plot device to reunite, in the end, all of Equestria for one single reason: picking Twilight´s side so they would reestablish the order.


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>who were the exceptions to this rule, not only between derivative characteristics like a horn or a couple of wings, but having completely different bodies? Pic related.
and not only them because those fillies who were giving the discourse to the unicorns and pegasi...I might not have paid attention to the background but it seems that they actually paid attention to Twilight´s lessons at some point (I don´t know if they appeared in the school though)


>>5037
>Donut Joe's... that last scene calling back all the way to season 1's final.
The Best Night Ever. How many things have happened since then yet the episode acknowledged that such a little scene could actually take a break from everything. Not because the night was awful like it happened the first time, but more like a relief, only with the mane 6 in peace, as if time literally stopped for a moment.

Really charming yet it haunts me how meaningful a little scene can get a greater lasting power than it was originally intended for.

>this does have it for me, perhaps even bigger than the Last Problem (though it maybe in part because of that episode). It just calls back to a time when things were simpler for the show.I'm at a loss as to what to say here impart because from here on out my emotions go into a wild divergence in what is some of the strongest ambivalence I've ever felt.
those who have taken the full experience, riding on the ride all the time, it serves as a transitional point for The Last Problem. As soon as action ends, the feeling start with a really heavy weaponry that could crush more than a few fans out there.

>It just feels like that small simple world is shattered in a way. I don't like this scene, yet I love that it was here. I've been trying trying to split my emotion and see if there are any rational criticisms that I can muster and I can't. It's a beautiful scene.
it is and you have worded it better than me. I am absolutely amazed how such an irrelevant place that no one would have placed a bet on it, being forgotten since then, can become like an arrow hitting at your heart. It´s almost like a friend that you never knew that it was there.


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>I'm not sure even if it's the scene itself that actually makes me so emotional with it. Part of it is from the obvious acknowledgment the show is ending though. There is a certain... pain with it all, but I'm not sure how to put it. Like I'm not sure it's the fact that it's ending on how it ended.
>It's really strange as I feel a completeness and almost satisfaction as well there to and I do not what anypony to think my thoughts are purely negative. Maybe it's better to say that I love this scene but I don't enjoy it. Oh by the way, that scene is also my favorite scene... I just can't stand watching it!
it´s a real highlight in my eyes. Along with Grogar´s plot twist, this one was absolutely clever and the most unpredictable one to witness. Nobody counted on it yet how is it possible to feel all that much for a mundane place like this one? I suppose that after visiting all the world and putting it to a huge compromise, such a small compromising place like Donut Joe´s causes a huge contrast that impacts way more than it would normally do. All the implications that are carried and stuck in that place, the timeless factor is what brings to a fan to think about the long gone past while going back to the origins.

It can really bring a lot of emotions to the fans and this is why one should avoid watching this if that person is all that invested into the show. It rewards the loyal fan and the prize for it....are the nostalgic feelings brought from the past to this last scene in the two parter.

Thankfully it didn´t catch me in a depressive period but this and the Last Problem could have worked as fuel for it. This is why I tried to avoid thinking about it too much by replying here really late at night. It can really bring lots of sadness whenever puts genuine thoughts on it.

>7.5/10 This rating seems low doesn't it? Keep in mind that 7 for means satisfactory. It's just a compromise. This is based on the quality mixed with my enjoyment yet in ways I adore this. I've wanted to give as high as an 8.7 to as low as a 6.
>I've thought through several times and sometimes have radically different feel for things.
well, that´s fair. You´ve exposed your reasons for it and anyone can understand why you have arrived at this rating while also acknowledging your own confusions towards it. Facing a challenge like reviewing a final of a show you have invested so much time isn´t as easy as it sounds.


Anon 11/23/2019 (Sat) 02:15:50 [Preview] No.5072 [X] del >>5075
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phew lad, I have managed to reply everything that was posted in your review. It felt shorter (in terms of time) than I expected but I guess that not thinking too much about it certainly helped at going all for it.

I could have posted further thoughts that I could add for more replies related to this episode but I believe that I have given enough answers to your reflections for now.

I am leaving this right here tonight.


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>>5072
You more than have. With the added hurled of non native English speaker I think one is probably a bit tired. Take a rest.


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well, after writing a lot of posts in this board, one gets used to the habit real quick.

The biggest problem with that factor is that it takes up a little bit more of time than a native one. As long as all the points are dealt properly and readable for the users, the other aspects become secondary.

Even without approaching all the points that I could have exposed here, the length delivered is absurd this would explain why I was feeling somewhat apathetic before you posted everything. I perfectly knew that this would happen.

And of course, I am leaving a PoLS.Understandably so because the thread has ended up too packed to even continue rampantly with The Last Problem.


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okay, before I post on anything else....I would like to say a few words here because I have butterflies in my mind that I cannot get rid of them...

so,with all my respects, let me post this first and then, I´ll see if I get to the other replies


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The Last Problem and personal conclusions under anonymity of the 4th generation of MLP (2010-2019).

So, we have arrived at the the last station that this train can reach, it cannot go any further canonically speaking after October 12th of 2019. I suppose that a meaningful review should come from my words towards this episode...

but honestly, this episode concludes and compiles every character that Twilight and the mane 6 have encountered in all these years for Twilight´s celebration. Comparing it to Magical Mystery Cure, one can notice that this plot device doesn´t come up because of destiny nor outlandish motivations for setting it up. Everything was foreseen and it carried a problem: the celebration was an utter disaster....and that was totally fine because otherwise this generation wouldn´t have found any have found that charm of finding new problems to deal with (while also delivering a few moments of comedy). Every day is a challenge even when you expect that everything is tied.

Not to mention that the moral delivered here leaned towards a proper message of moving on but also, seeing your loved ones every now and then despite the routine and advancing professionally in your life. Luster Dawn implied for a while that their friendships were broken because of messing up that event but the mane 6 have faced way worse and after all, you cannot expect perfection even though the attempts for it are really appreciated.

Then we have a song that compiles shows what the rest of the characters are doing after a few years of Twilight´s coronation, especially focusing on Ponyville, the original place that (almost) started it all.

And the book closes the cycle, meaning that there will be no more canon events that the show can offer. It shows a final image of how much these characters have grown and look how Luster Dawn is looking for her own path after waving goodbye to Twilight in the sunset.

I haven´t written anything extraordinary here and there are emotional comments in this thread that express the feelings way more than this....


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But I have left a pretty cold review here, right? How are these words meant to express my appreciation towards a show that pushed me to move forward and a reason to stay here?

Well, first, you´ve got to ask yourselves: is MLP really that worthy to be remembered? What is the legacy that will leave after a few years or decades (if anyone cares at all by that point)? is this series worthy material for qualifying it as the series of the decade?

My answer is: NO. Not at all.

Despite all my appreciation and admiration towards it in the past, I´ve got to be critical here: this series (or franchise) was doomed from the start. None of us need this and the message that delivers here is nothing new nor needed for the human beings. It won´t help us to advance but end up as a cartoon for kids with morals that one should have learned in their childhoods.

How can a series of a cheesy world and a cheesy vision be taken as anything serious for the critical crowd? It cannot reach that state of respect, not to mention that the target has always remained the same as well as its spirit: a cheesy pinkish toy commercial aimed at little girls (between the 5 to 9 years old).

Thinking that this series will matter in the future for any outsider that hasn´t cared by this point is somewhat delusional. After all, the stigma has stayed there and the /mlp/ users were right: this was only driven by "autism",obviously not in the sense of the disease but meant to imply that all this time dedicated to this series is a waste of time and only an idiot would even dare to take it so seriously like this community has done for all this decade.

This lack of knowledge, this form of fanatism that has lead to several dramas, this awkward situation to explain to justify the actions and attention for this series, the shame and cringe that has been delivered (especially in the early years: 2010-14)....would anyone say that these events are worthy to be proud of?

One could imagine that in the future, this compilation of events could be remembered in the future as one of the lowest standards that society has arrived, because of silly spontaneous impulses and the pretentious feelings that a fan believes that takes part in a meaningful movement that could make history.....and most likely for the wrong reasons unfortunately...


Again, does this generation deserve to be remembered? Do you want this to happen and remind the future children an anecdotal shitshow? Do you?

...


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...

but in hindsight,everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
What do I mean here?

This generation doesn´t deserve to be remembered as simply the cringy community that wasted its own free time for this series.

At first, everyone would be really scared to admit that liking or having a passion towards this series would imply that one has to act in a retarded way all the time which clearly isn´t the case here.

MLP has always had that stigma of its aim, its innocence, its seemingly carefree spirit, a cheesy paradise that one would point at for anything that would come up to any mind as the maximum of those premises. It has remained in that state for more than 2 decades...

until 2010 happened. But where does this series shine?
Definitely not because of any appeal in any generic matter. Friendship Is Magic hasn´t done anything new at all nor will be put as a reference for almost anything in terms of action, writing, morals nor visuals.

In the action regard, it´s scarce and the anime fills this spot with much more frequency at appealing to their consumers. In terms of writing, the writers always change and it doesn´t encapsulate one vision in specific. In terms of morals, it gets inspiration from Disney and about 95% of the existent tropes or formula and the visuals are really simplistic and could have been executed with more expensive techniques or a complex artstyle.

Almost anything that I have said here sounds harsh, pessimistic and it doesn´t sound that I should praise this. Because I could sum up Friendship is Magic with two adjectives and leave it at there.

FiM is: FLAWED AND UNDEFINED


Anon 11/29/2019 (Fri) 22:46:10 [Preview] No.5121 [X] del >>5135
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It doesn´t stand out at anything in particular...and that´s absolutely fine because that´s where it shines the most.

Its vagueness, its uncertainty, its eclectic spirit, its capability to adapt itself for any new challenge...it overcomes that problem with such an ease yet one doesn´t know what could come next. And there you have one of the main lessons that one extracts from The Last Problem.

FiM cannot become the cringy series that appealed to idiots. One has to focus on the context behind it and this is where you begin to appreciate it genuinely.

The 4th generation has stayed undefined because at first, it was planned to have 65 episodes and end in the 3rd season. This series and even its creator admitted that it wasn´t supposed to reach this far. However, it was a lightning in a bottle. It appeared in an era back when the internet was sort of fresh but other communities were settled into it, an era in which memes didn´t grow stale and the transition of material for geeks was becoming normal for the rest of the world (especially in terms of videogames). Cartoons started strong in the 2000s but as the decade went on, the scarcity of good material from the main networks was really noticeable.

Perhaps, the most unique thing that this series can represent in hindsight is:the unexpected situations and the fanbase.

Well, the sad thing is that FiM is not responsible nor guilty for the context of existing back in those first 3 years. I have mentioned that this series doesn´t offer anything new and that these morals should have been learned back when we were all children. But Disney was proven right: adults are only grown up children...

What I mean here is that we should have seen this material before, we should have acknowledged lessons of this kind back in the day but it seems that their consumers have desired to look for more of it.

Friendship is Magic is a movement of its time, not a cartoon. Why?


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Well, the internet era has decided to abandon the written content to an exponent of lutheranism: learning from visuals and images and not by words. This premise exemplifies the existence of fandoms that take the base content, learn from it, embracing its content and then, dedicating their free time at going further with it. MLP arrived at a time when these communities existed and were already established. How did this fanbase even manage to happen and become a reality? We all know the story.

FiM did (almost) anything new in terms of traditional entertainment for the masses but we have to look at things in perspective: it showed well established standards, a world worthy for a RPG game, characters that over time become more unique and almost seems like they are living in their own world at a real time (ending up almost like a fictional Coronation Street). But also, that innocent "cheesy" part inherent to its name wasn´t all that cheesy in the end and their morals were digging deeper layers than the superficial ones that one would expect from species of this kind. The rainbows arise....as well as the problems and questionable choices in a theoretical pinkish world that we would dream of but isn´t all that perfect. This by itself, the constant problems, interactions, comical moments, the humble down to earth spirit, etc; has helped a lot to make a connection with the consumers. Nonetheless, the first appealing thing that makes everything possible is the simple yet so effective artstyle. Easy to draw, then it becomes easy to draw content of it as well. This explains the explosive amount of content that has surpassed almost any other popular fictional franchise that anyone can point out.

This show exemplifies its time, mixing its innocent optimistic yet undefined motifs (postmodernism) with traditional values that collide with a sense of realism.

So,one could say that it could be remembered as a show that has taken over the internet and showed the path for people who didn´t know better at that time and lead the internet to explode and gravitate around its appearance. It´s a show that has marked and defined the internet without having the intentions to reach that far. This phenomena should have not happened at all yet it did because any fan that has any interest towards it would say: "I like it, I want more of this".

And...


Anon 11/29/2019 (Fri) 23:32:32 [Preview] No.5123 [X] del >>5130
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... the show didn´t know what to do, hence my description of being undefined. How can you handle such a big wild audience that doesn´t actually know what it asks yet FiM has to deliver more of its own? All of this while taking it into account that those consumers were taking it too seriously for what it was.

This is where the show doesn´t simply becomes a simplistic entertainment but has to add more merits on its own. FiM got a voice in this decade because its fans were willing to listen to it after seeing how good it looked for them. That sense of serious business was transmitted to the show itself. One can notice the progression (yet organic) over the course of the seasons that the "fun" brought to this world didn´t come out of nowhere.

FiM has received a chance that didn´t expect but had the obligation to become your fictional companionship over the years,growing at the same time that you do, becoming a part of you and asking to you that you shouldn´t leave it behind. It managed to grow up, change without removing its core spirit and, teaching a lesson or two? But to whom? Not only for the little girls but to those who care about it in general, becoming like a loyal partner that has a message to deliver while also getting an almost infinite variety of situations and problems. It went from a problem of picking a friend for the Gala (The Ticket Master) to giving an optimistic take yet implied situation of actual divorces that happen in real life (Surf and Or Turf). That´s a stretch. The positiveness has stayed there but the standards have changed for its own self. It has embraced its conditions and broken barriers that weren´t meant to be applied to that world, yet it went further than those established limits. There is actually a tomorrow, something happens next.

The vagueness at pretending to go somewhere but doesn´t know where it should go exactly...is part of its charm. I said that it almost didn´t invent anything but this isn´t true. It managed to interact with its consumers and in the end, encouraging them openly to write their stories freely. There isn´t a wrong way to fantasize about them and I have exposed the other moral for The Last Problem: it closes the book of its ride....but the show tells that you have the freedom to do absolutely anything for writing the next one. As flawed as it might be, the show has gone through imperfect situations and this was proven with the finale. The coronation ended up as they didn´t expect....but that also applies to the show as well and your story and experiences with. I haven´t seen such a free will lesson of that kind despite knowing how messy it can get. Because this experience was shared with the others but it was also personal, as if this show represented a friend that you never knew it was there before having a slight interest in it despite its girlish looks that other people truly fear.

And I admire that. FiM has used that unique opportunity to give you a lesson, not for those children but also to those who want a relief and an undefined exciting experience. The 4th has been seen as an endless ride that has ended and one of the reasons why it might not be of any interest for outsiders is that they have sadly missed it. Those who have lived it will remember it fondly but those who didn´t have missed part of a weird crazy experience that one cannot regret at all.


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FiM won´t be put as the best series nor cartoon of the decade. My knowledge is way too limited and I realize that I haven´t consumed almost any other TV show from this decade for drawing comparisons. However, I can safely say this without any fear:

https://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/the-end-of-the-creator-driven-era-29614.html
When Amid Amidi wrote this article, it sparked the explosion of interest towards this show, looking for the laughs in its atrocity. However, we have found something else. While it´s true that Lauren Faust abandoned the project in 2011, the show managed to accomplish a very different thing. Nowadays, the article should have been named:

The end of the cheaply written toy commercials era in TV animation

Eeeeyup, Friendship is Magic won´t be remembered as the best cartoon or series of this decade because of its eclectic highly stigmatized spirit. Nonetheless, it has ruined the previous generations of MLP because of its quality that is bound to become more timeless than the rest because there was more effort put into this generation and that shows. Only by telling that it went from 65 episodes to more than 200, a spinoff, a movie and its entrance in the comic world, you can notice easily how well adjusted it was.

Not only it has ruined its own toy commercial spirit, having to justify its quality in order to sell merchandise to children, it has has ALSO RUINED (yes, ruined) any other toy commercial that can air in the future on the TV.

As soon as any series has the purpose to aim at little children only for selling toys to them in order to get away with its poor quality of writing and substance found its animation, any critic could come and point at Friendship is Magic as a reference for judging toy commercials.This means that the public will ask for quality as soon as anything cheap of this kind appears in the future. Those cheap animations cannot afford to apply that tactic and justifying the possible atrocities that could taken advantage of. Friendship is Magic has turned out to be an example of how far a toy commercial can get, how successful and relevant can become if one doesn´t aim so low all the time, getting something to say and explore out of its comfort zone.

The 4th gen has received praise because it has surprised everyone out there, so it cannot be written in the history of animation (if it does) as a laughable product. It managed to establish a world and its characters, expand itself and beyond over the course of the seasons, mature and looking at its own past, and close the book before overstaying its welcome. Again, this is worthy of my admiration.


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So, I´ve wanted to look pessimistic because it hasn´t removed all that stigma as for the current year but I must say that outsiders won´t get surprised at all if MLP appeals to old fans in a future generation. It has settled really valuable standards that can range lots of layers: from pure innocence to an unexploited depth (but has all the elements for that direction).

I won´t say that the fanbase stands out for being a worthy example to mention out there even though it has an exclusive appeal: it takes everything too seriously. And honestly,that brings a lot of fun. I cannot count how many times I have laughed along with the dramas or Youtube comments that get typed as soon as ponies appear randomly in the media. It still applies to this day and it also shows the insecurities that human beings have.I wonder if MLP has become a product of social engineering, not because of its content but more towards the looks of it and how superficial people judge it without knowing the deal.

Anyway, back to the reality. The Last Problem has fully accepted what FiM has become and has left a little smile towards the uncertain future. The show by itself was undefined and here we are. I would like to imply that Twilight has been reading the 4th gen book all this time and other future events happen after reading it.

The Last Problem might not make the cut for the best episode of the series but it is definitely a real highlight for this final season. A beautiful yet really simple story that we have seen. Perhaps the most emotional moments are brought by those finale notes of the intro in the last song and Twilight fearing of the future, possibly leaving her friends behind after all they have done together. But they aren´t only supported by themselves but also all the characters and species that we have known in the past. This book has canonized every single one of them for the mere fact of existing in this world.

This episode might cause a depression and not help at all to those who don´t control their emotions. Despite its comedy and ordinary spirit at messing up, those who have been invested in this generation, will truly feel personal connections of leaving this gen behind as well. Many stories from the fans can be sprung because of reaching this last chapter, the fortunate achievement of having lived the entirety of this experience.


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Now, I don´t like goodbyes. I don´t know with certainty how to end this with words so I will link a little hymn to celebrate it in my own way...

It feels like I have woken up from a dream and now, that dream is over despite not leaving its after-effects.

What else can I say? We are here, not all the fans have gone through the entirety of it (rest in peace to those who didn´t make it) and all in all, it has been a pleasure to be "autistic" enough to have an entertainment that no other franchise could have delivered, maybe not to the world itself, but to me and a few more who genuinely cherish it.High fives to you.

The 4th gen ride of MLP has finally ended, folks. Long live the 4th gen!


So long Friendship is Magic, so long...


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>>5118
My feelings on the Last Problem was more on the Last Problem itself and less so on the end of FiM, which I have compartmentalized as categories. I actually had a shortened review semi-typed. 2 to 3 posts. You post this raw burst of emotion... I think you put yours better than my burst of raw emotion earilier.

>>5119
>Well, first, you´ve got to ask yourselves: is MLP really that worthy to be remembered? What is the legacy that will leave after a few years or decades (if anyone cares at all by that point)? is this series worthy material for qualifying it as the series of the decade?
I'm not sure if the in total view of the show reflects your's in later posts or is completely opposed to it. It be too long to go into detail now. I will say this, FiM right now has no peers in my eyes to be judged against. It is it's own odd place. Not that it makes it better or worse, just different to the point of an apple's to oranges to me.

>>5120
FLAWED AND UNDEFINED
Yet what you go into with this point could be pretty similar to the point above.

>>5124
This is a very interesting take. Perhaps an elite one. I've seen various discus the show on it's own and sometimes including our fandom in various peer groups (one thing I have noticed is that a lot of people will say modern animation fandom, lower tier furry fandoms (sonic and near human animals), etc, but a lot of those groups see us an outgroup... something that probably be studied in /go/) but this is the show's direct legacy in the category it is in . I think this is a point worth exploring. I have much more to say to your replies, but...

>>5126
>Now, I don´t like goodbyes. I don´t know with certainty how to end this with words so I will link a little hymn to celebrate it in my own way...
That song is too melancholy to listen too do to news on my end right now IRL. This retrospective you have written derives a much longer reply than I can give at the moment.

I salute you L23 God bless and don't feel any pressure to reply right now.


Anon 11/30/2019 (Sat) 08:17:24 [Preview] No.5130 [X] del >>5135
>>5123
Reread everything and now its what you say here that I think stands out the most.


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>>5127
I didn´t expect that picture to show up. That´s really appreciated.

>My feelings on the Last Problem was more on the Last Problem itself and less so on the end of FiM, which I have compartmentalized as categories
yeah, I imagine what kind of review you may have prepared but before getting into your replies, I had a few thoughts floating in my mind that weren´t about the episode itself yet I had to connect them with it (so mixing the lessons from it with the reflections would feel more organic) and I feared that I would forget them because of other things.

>I actually had a shortened review semi-typed. 2 to 3 posts.
you can post it either way, this exercise was more like talking to myself loudly. Well, most of my posts here are like that but it´s been a while since...

>You post this raw burst of emotion... I think you put yours better than my burst of raw emotion earilier.
the personal thread and I am a real idiot for doing that and pretending that any of this matters. Being a clueless youngster is what it takes, showing a naked vision again. You know, reading the 2nd perspective of your verses >>5109 made me realize that the flaw of that narrator has always been there latent in my mind.

>I'm not sure if the in total view of the show reflects your's in later posts or is completely opposed to it.
it is opposed to it. The entirety of >>5119 and the review were intended to show coldness and pessimism to what would come later. The indifferent review and that post are meant to prevent myself from calling it the best cartoon of the decade, cutting the wings for those who wish it gained such title. So the standards cannot aim that high and one has to look at the show with a more down to earth league according to its nature. Those questions are meant to remove any slice of fanatism or delusional influence for this world.

>FiM right now has no peers in my eyes to be judged against. It is it's own odd place.
yeah, it is. That aspect and its own circumstances make it harder to judge and jump onto solid conclusions for it.

>Yet what you go into with this point could be pretty similar to the point above.
now, those adjectives aren´t the opposites here. I mention these words later on my reflections and integrate them that they are the nature of this show. They only prevent it from reaching perfection. The flaws come because of situations that could lead to some dubious choices, lessons or conflicts that aren´t perfect. Its perfection comes because of feeding itself from those little imperfect holes. The show is also undefined because those little holes turn out to have some integration in it,the fanbase has proved to have a bigger influence in it than any other cartoon would have admitted, the writers have been constantly changing from one season to another, the series hid the fact that it crossed the theoretical ending line in 2013 and that Hasbro orders for toys also mark a direction in its path.

Again, those words might sound negative (understandably so) but when you think about the rollercoaster of events, it has brought more varied emotions and uniqueness than getting a perfect series from the start.


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>>5127
>I've seen various discus the show on its own and sometimes including our fandom in various peer groups (one thing I have noticed is that a lot of people will say modern animation fandom, lower tier furry fandoms (sonic and near human animals), etc, but a lot of those groups see us an outgroup... something that probably be studied in /go/)
neither do some fans of this fanbase want to see themselves associated with fanbases like Sonic´s one (despite the possibility of liking both separately). I think that the stigma is applied both for outsiders and those modern animation groups even though the reasons differ. The former might aim towards the girlish looks while the fandoms have that stigma because of past activity on the internet and in the conventions (avatars of ponies, flooding media with them, compilations from the early years... you can insert several reasons here)

>this is the show's direct legacy in the category it is in . I think this is a point worth exploring.
as far as it comes to its nature, the toy commercial characteristic is the clearest one for me at establishing some reasonable comments on its legacy. Toy commercials were meant to be cheap and a fast food product that attempted to justify the existence of those toys. Having such a clear popular reference in this regard like FiM, the chances to get away with this movement have been spoilt by this 4th generation (even to itself). It will be interesting to witness if it actually manages to happen in the future.

>That song is too melancholy to listen too do to news on my end right now IRL. This retrospective you have written derives a much longer reply than I can give at the moment.
and funnily enough, that song isn´t the most melancholic one from the catalog that I have. There weren´t intentions of bringing a complete sadness but more like a bittersweet humble happiness of living long enough to have seen this series end. Of course, I couldn´t bring a random one that wouldn´t mean anything but more like a similar feeling that the episode delivered.

even though what must have happened IRL doesn´t sound any good and what´s worse is that I might get an idea of it. That´s haunting and little bit inconvenient to do this from my part. Sorry if it that became more painful than it was intended for

>God bless and don't feel any pressure to reply right now.
neither do you. In fact, I still have to reply to your GCR but I think that it deserves to get a proper focus and get fully immersed with it beforehand.

>>5130
you are probably right. From >>5121 onwards,the positiveness and the central points (besides the affirmative answer of not being the best series ever at all) actually start. The tone changes and so, reading these reflections become a little bit more pleasant for anyone who has any interest in reading them.


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>>5127
and as you have said to me, take your time and there´s no pressure at replying this. Not everything here is meant to be replied because again, that emotional burst comes as talking to myself that you are un/fortunate to read them and you wouldn´t see these thoughts anywhere else. I wouldn´t say this nor reach this level of expressing so clearly my inner thoughts in real life even.

See you in the undefined space at the end of the universe. Take care of yourselves.


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Thanks. We shall see what unfolds with the rest of stuff in terms of schedule in the coming couple of days. It is not death in the family, but a massive change that... would take awhile to explain but is still saddening


PoLS for now.


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>>5050 (you)
Hi. Not sure how to word this as in a way that doesn't sound awkward, but if you happen to wander on by here again I have a question I'd like to ask you. I'm not L23 or the other guy. Just a fellow lurker and even you ar an oldfag compared to me I don't want to waste your time but there is something in your words that struck me.


Anon 12/19/2019 (Thu) 09:56:18 [Preview] No.5226 [X] del >>5239 (you)>>5255 (you)>>5256 (you)
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>>5164
I've still been here, I just wasn't finding the time to make full replies since I have a full job again. What was your question?


Anon 12/23/2019 (Mon) 01:04:09 [Preview] No.5239 [X] del >>5255
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>>5164
You seem really eager to ask him a question, almost strangely so. It does feel almost a little strange yet I get the feel of having a burning question for an anon you bumped into once or saw in passing when it comes to mind. I am curious on what you have to ask.

>>5226 (you)
Howdy 5050 poster! if you don't mind me calling you by what L23 has dubbed you

> I just wasn't finding the time to make full replies since I have a full job again
Yeah I can understand that, especially with how big are replies are a lot of the time. Still, you are welcome to post anytime and there is a couple of threads in th future that I think would be easier to handle should they interest you Best of luck on the job and I hope it's more a blessing than a curse.


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>>5226 (you)
Give me a bit. Will have to come down from a wild holiday. Think you'll still be here after new years?

>>5239
I hope I don't come across as too strange. Also, when the time comes, would it be alright if I made a seperate thread just so I don't derail this?


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>>5255
>I hope I don't come across as too strange. Also, when the time comes, would it be alright if I made a seperate thread just so I don't derail this?
No problem.

>>5256
If this is a message I don't follow (cadence saw? Violation of NAP?). As a shitpost I must say you have an interesting style. For as badly drawn it is the animation is pretty smooth.


Anon 01/02/2020 (Thu) 15:37:10 [Preview] No.5283 [X] del >>5287
>>5255
>Think you'll still be here after new years?
Well it's after new years now, so I'd say yes.


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>>5283
Howdy 5050!


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>>5287
Meets and greets friend
>>5053
>I don´t know how to reply to this but it seems that this thread has pulled that trigger inside you for that review.
It definitely did. The reviews in this thread reminded me of how significant the show has been in my life, and I wanted to commemorate it's end somehow. Aside from that it's just a really good thread.
>/mlp/´s discussion thread for the episodes only last one single day, so if you miss that Saturday, then it´s done, the discussion is not located anywhere except between the shitposts, forcing yourself to find any place to discuss something.
Exactly, and I'm more used to the pace of smaller *chans to boot, so keeping up with a 4chan board is hard enough without trying to post on it too.
> The discussion for the leaked episodes have had a more laid back tone here because we agreed to do the complete opposite of /mlp/: instead of rushing the thoughts like /mlp/ did with the leaks in August (watching the episodes once and never coming back), the board decided to discuss them at its own pace, hence why I haven´t posted mine about the finale yet (waiting for Bridgefag´s thoughts to come first). Not to mention that we have other ideas, projects or other things in our lives.
I think that's why it's great, even if not a huge amount of people read it like /mlp/.
>are you me? really? Because I have felt that way especially in my childhood and teenage years. These days I can handle this aspect better but still have effects of that behavior sometimes. If you are describing me, you are nailing it blindly.
Was that alienation a factor in discovering MLP for you as well?
>Hopefully you recover from that lack of experience.
It's always a bit complicated figuring out personal failings since often you're not sure you'd even be the same person without them, but thanks.
>What could be fan pandering to you might be a disservice for others and without replying in relative terms,that´s my answer towards it. For gen 5 or future content,that vision can change though.
Fan service/pandering in gen 4 was a double-edged sword, I think. On the one hand, the fans generally like it and it gives an extra layer to the humor. On the other, it smothers that original, sincere and earnest approach the show had early on when it wasn't as self-aware. Though fan-pandering in the later seasons didn't completely ruin it, I think if they want gen 5 to be good they need to ensure there's no fan-pandering this time around, however.


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>>5301 (you)
so you are 5050...let´s reply to it:

>It definitely did. The reviews in this thread reminded me of how significant the show has been in my life, and I wanted to commemorate it's end somehow. Aside from that it's just a really good thread.
damn, well there aren´t expectations to cause such feelings like those. Sure some posts are written with a bare mindset and heartfelt in an sporadic way, just that I didn´t imagine that someone would reach this far and trigger such feelings for others. As for the show ending, I mean, who wouldn´t commemorate it? I didn´t know how to review it and it ended up more as an appreciation for FiM in general. Watching that episode (especially when it released for the first time) was hard and it´s food for feels without being sad in its core.


>I'm more used to the pace of smaller *chans to boot, so keeping up with a 4chan board is hard enough without trying to post on it too.
well, I´ve known /mlp/ since late 2014 and I must say that they are going pretty slow relatively speaking, at a rhythm of 10k posts, your thread could fall in less than two hours in its peaks of activity. Since 2016, the generals have been very easy to keep up and bump constantly. But yeah, in terms of show discussion, it´s mostly scarce and the threads dedicated to the show are either clickbait for annoying "insert X group of anons" or any excuse to complain about it.

8kun has come back so I guess that you have that medium as well but the /8pone/ community has to notice it and make a few efforts in order to stay active again. As for this place, thanks for saying that this is a good thread but keep in mind, these reviews have only come from a Spanish person whose vocabulary isn´t all that big and a Texan, both former lurkers. No magic whatsoever nor wizardry. Sometimes, we used additional points of discussion as an excuse to talk about something different and keep ourselves entertained but that´s it. If you like that, that´s great honestly.

>I think that's why it's great, even if not a huge amount of people read it like /mlp/.
we have been discussing a few times if /endpone/ should be like /mlp/ and the conclusion was that...if you have /mlp/ and want more of /mlp/, this board wouldn´t make much sense when the average fan would go for the faster board first. We accepted our circumstances, we decided to take our time, review the episodes with the rhythm that we could follow at that time and expanding the discussion of each episode before entering into the next one.

And I don´t know who has been reading this honestly nor I set up my mind for that too much. I know that you do because you have written it here, otherwise I wouldn´t know if someone else actually did. At the end of the day, this has turned out to work more as a personal public chat than anything else, not to mention that I expect lees than nothing because at anytime, this thread (and this goes for the board in general) could have become a huge mess of shitposts or spam, but it has received a few reviews worthy to discuss or think about for a while. So yeah, that was accomplished.


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>>5301 (you)
>Was that alienation a factor in discovering MLP for you as well?
well, I discovered MLP because during the summer of 2014, I was bored as hell and barely any friends to meet during that month (because they were on vacation) and I was looking for the old shows or something to entertain myself with. I could have ended up watching the Pokemon anime but as there were so many episodes to watch and I knew that protagonist suffered resets in his mind, I didn´t bother. After watching a Top 10 of kids shows that adults enjoy, I was astonished to see that MLP was there and I challenged to myself to survive the 4 seasons without becoming homo nor a public mess who unironically believes in fairy tales. So it was a challenge at first and then, after the 2nd and the 4th seasons, I began to enjoy it for what it was entirely.

As for the alienation of becoming silent and awkward socially, it´s mostly that I am an introvert that gets shamed and wants to get unnoticed most of the time, or at times, I don´t have anything to say in the conversations, I don´t usually lead them, I feel tired if I have to come up for ideas spontaneously during long periods. I am more of a supportive listener even though at times, I offer long talks and speaking a lot....in this board, it shows the latter case.

Was it a reason to discover MLP? Most likely yes, considering that an introvert does have more time for himself and my tastes were aimed towards video games and a few cartoons/movies, it doesn´t sound outlandish at all to end up with this series.


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>>5301 (you)
>It's always a bit complicated figuring out personal failings since often you're not sure you'd even be the same person without them, but thanks.
I guess that someone takes a lesson or becomes a different person because of that kind. Anyway,you are welcome.

>Fan service/pandering in gen 4 was a double-edged sword, I think.
very. The term changes constantly and it relies on desires that supposedly come from an "homogeneous" community when their views might not be shared or all that popular during a certain period (watch out, it doesn´t always stay consistent in those wishes). So how is the show pandering to anyone? I suppose that for example, making Derpy appear on the show more times could count but, at what point does she become an integrated part of it when her appearance feels no longer special to the fans?

>On the one hand, the fans generally like it and it gives an extra layer to the humor.
well, that works for quick gags, memes or a carefree background (almost secondary) character like Derpy but a part of FiM relies on comedy so those layers, like you say, serves as that extra layer as the cherry on top of the cake.

>On the other, it smothers that original, sincere and earnest approach the show had early on when it wasn't as self-aware.
yeah, like Pinkie rapping out of nowhere or going full meta with Fame and Misfortune. It feels somewhat corrupted or out of place. It truly depends on each case and how it flows among the rest of the elements for that episode.

>Though fan-pandering in the later seasons didn't completely ruin it, I think if they want gen 5 to be good they need to ensure there's no fan-pandering this time around, however.
I don´t know. I wouldn´t discard it considering that Hasbro knows the audience who actually watches it. The fan pandering has become more subtle or...a plot device if taken further (The Perfect Pear). When you integrate that gimmick, then you expect it and I applaud the series for getting away with those risks and then, going back with the same spirit all over again. But anyway, most fan-pandering has turned around the lore, the world or the characters. Frenemies was the ultimate fan pandering that one fan of villains could wish for. Cheese Sandwich in Pinkie Pride was a fan favorite but what if he came back for a second episode? The Last Laugh becomes less special the 2nd time Weird Al gets featured and the episode has to offer something else other than his presence and so, the slice of life spirit comes back in order to justify that desire. Just like Trixie coming back in season 6.

Fan pandering always requires specific examples (I would suggest to go for specific topics and then, digging them deeper for what they are for each case) and it´s damn hard to generalize it without finding holes in the statements (my own) but yeah, I feel that seasons 8 and 9 have slowed down that trend of showing fan pandering directly to your face and more relying on subtlety for introducing it (except maybe Twilight´s Seven but even that episode advanced the Twilight´s arc), not to mention that my thoughts about these seasons (at the time) are here.


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>>5301 (you)
> The reviews in this thread reminded me of how significant the show has been in my life, and I wanted to commemorate it's end somehow.
In a way that was the same for me as well (because when reviewing and comparing, it caused me to look back at how far the show came).

>Aside from that it's just a really good thread.
You know? Looking at it I agree. Keeping in mind that it is mostly a correspondence between two anons who have a limited experience in both analysis, reviewing and even grammar. A lot of ground was covered. Personal reflections, themes of the lessons, unironic lore analysis at times.

>Exactly, and I'm more used to the pace of smaller *chans to boot, so keeping up with a 4chan board is hard enough without trying to post on it too.
Me too. Though /mlp/ has slowed from it's prime, I sometimes after not visiting in a week have a hard time with keeping tabs on things well, I have become somewhat unused to IRL stuff

>Was that alienation a factor in discovering MLP for you as well?
Though this is to L23 I may relate to this in that my friend circle collapsed do to drama and FiM was the only thing running that I liked. Though saying that I just consume it is probably an understatement as I identify with it and it had an affect it played a huge part in saving certain aspects of myself that may have otherwise died in teenage/adulthood.

>Though fan-pandering in the later seasons didn't completely ruin it, I think if they want gen 5 to be good they need to ensure there's no fan-pandering this time around, however.
Depends on what you define as fan pandering. As a whole you could include any attempt to bring the show beyond it's limits as fan pandering. Some of the more complex plots and things with a slight adult edge can still maintain the tone of the show. That can be done wrong but I do not think on it's own is bad and they should aim for some hint of complexity or depth with themes. Than there is fan pandering in the sense of trying to write to the fandom's desires and expectations, this is okay in moderate dosages but when taken beyond can be feel offputting and wrong to the tone of the show. For example: The show puts in as many characters, shippings and call backs as possible that it almost feels like they aren't going with a plot as much as a checklist Slice of Life Though I did like it on it's own , Season 7's and to a lesser extent Season 6's final you could say have that feel. That I am in more agreement. Then finally there is meta jokes. I consider these to be my worst fear any franchise because a few are fun but often people get addicted to them and break immersion with snark and humor poking fun at how the plot usually works, and emotional moments. (Look the Princesses are finally helping. Friendship lasers! Bla bla bla you get it). Though MLP usually only flirted than cross the line for me. I'm in 100% agreement here in keeping that under a very tight rope.


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Index for the reviews and discussion posted in this thread (from-to)

The Beginning of the End: >>3918 - >>3956

Uprooted: >>3969 - >>3995

Twilight´s Seven: >>4012 - >>4035

The Point Of No Return: >>4036 - >>4050

Common Ground: >>4048 - >>4093

She´s All Yak: >>4111 - >>4112

Frenemies: >>4124 - >>4133

Sweet and Smoky: >>4187 - >>4263

Going To Seed: >>4220 - >>4262 + >>4270 + >>4281 - >>4285

Student Counsel: >>4247 - >>4263

Rainbow Roadtrip: >>4331 + >>4382 + >>4419 - >>4422 + >>4458 - >>4464

The Last Crusade: >>4287 - >>4294 + >>4432 - >>4437

Between Dusk and Dawn: >>4379 - >>4381 + >>4424 - >>4427 + >>4477


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Index for the reviews and discussion posted in this thread (from-to), part 2:

The Last Laugh: >>4482 - >>4521 + >>4526 - >>4532

2,4,6 Great: >>4503 + >>4523 - >>4538

A Trivial Pursuit: >>4554 - >>4578

The Summer Sun Setback: >>4587 - >>4619

She Talks to Angel: >>4687 - >>4693

Dragon Dropped: >>4694 - >>4704

A Horse Shoe In: >>4717 - >>4728

Daring Doubt: >>4718 - >>4731

Growing Up Is Hard To Do: >>4747 - >>4775

The Big Mac Question: >>4767 - >>4790

When the finale aired (reaction): >>4801 - >>4822

The Ending of the End: >>4893 - >>4920 + >>5033 - >>5039 + >>5057 - >>5071

The Last Problem: >>4900 - >>5001 + >>5045 - >>5054 + >>5118 - >>5135

































>>4578
>>4731


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Index for the reviews and discussion posted in this thread (from-to), part 2 (fixed):

The Last Laugh: >>4482 - >>4521 + >>4526 - >>4532

2,4,6 Great: >>4503 + >>4523 - >>4538

A Trivial Pursuit: >>4554 - >>4578

The Summer Sun Setback: >>4587 - >>4619

She Talks to Angel: >>4687 - >>4693

Dragon Dropped: >>4694 - >>4704

A Horse Shoe In: >>4717 - >>4728

Daring Doubt: >>4718 - >>4731

Growing Up Is Hard To Do: >>4747 - >>4775

The Big Mac Question: >>4767 - >>4790

When the finale aired (reaction): >>4801 - >>4822

The Ending of the End: >>4893 - >>4920 (you) + >>5033 - >>5039 + >>5057 (you) - >>5071 (you)

The Last Problem: >>4900 - >>5001 + >>5045 (you) - >>5054 (you) + >>5118 (you) - >>5135 (you)


Anon 01/09/2020 (Thu) 00:14:29 [Preview] No.5313 [X] del >>5322 (you)
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there we go, I had a little problem with the 2nd list but it´s got the presentation that I wanted.

Making an index for this thread is somewhat stupid but considering that this thread is reaching the bump limit and Endchan has no archives whatsoever , I wanted to leave everything clear for those who want to check what has been discussed over here, so this index would make things a little bit easier.

However, this thread was defined during the past decade, so this means that we are closing this book as well...


Anon 01/10/2020 (Fri) 23:43:18 [Preview] No.5322 [X] del >>5324 (you)>>5325 (you)>>5333 (you)
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>>5305
>yeah, like Pinkie rapping out of nowhere or going full meta with Fame and Misfortune. It feels somewhat corrupted or out of place. It truly depends on each case and how it flows among the rest of the elements for that episode.
Exactly. Though it may be wishful thinking to hope for a show to retain it's original style and feel over time, if the writers were less self-aware of the work they're contributing to and the way it's audience perceives it, you end up with something that, in my opinion, is a bit more immersive. The early show wasn't devoid of references and 4th wall breaking, but I think part of the original charm was that it was free to be it's own thing since nobody tended to pay much heed or mind to the earlier generations of the franchise, and as such it had essentially no expectations to live up to and no real fanbase to try and please. Again not to say that what came after was bad. I may be repeating things that have been said by others before a bit.
>>5307
>Keeping in mind that it is mostly a correspondence between two anons who have a limited experience in both analysis, reviewing and even grammar. A lot of ground was covered. Personal reflections, themes of the lessons, unironic lore analysis at times.
It's got more thought put into it than the vast majority of fan analysis, moreso I think since there's pretty much nobody else around to impress or split into factions, leaving just genuine love for the show.
>>5313
I've got the text of it all at least. We could set up a pastebin or something to preserve it.


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>>5322 (you)
>Though it may be wishful thinking to hope for a show to retain it's original style and feel over time
completely wishful thinking. Would the show even continue if it didn´t have that level of popularity back in the day? You can take that con as a curse of changing the time but keep in mind that the post s3 content might have been a bonus that shouldn´t have happened yet it did. Don´t simply stay with one side of that coin.

>if the writers were less self-aware of the work they're contributing to and the way it's audience perceives it, you end up with something that, in my opinion, is a bit more immersive.
well, this line is harder to discuss but I suppose that the immersion came because of a spirit that was originally intended from the ones who started the creation but over time, the newest writers don´t feel that original charm because they weren´t all that close to it. In fact, I am surprised that there hasn´t been a seasonal rot because of this lack of knowledge and original passion.

There have been immersive situations and free of "meme material" in the latest seasons as well but those events don´t simply happen around Ponyville all the time like those first years because of adding layers to the show that weren´t planned at all.

>The early show wasn't devoid of references and 4th wall breaking
tell that to Pinkie Pie, the most shining example of that. The show wasn´t free of those practices because even Faust was overwhelmed and noticed the huge unexpected reception that she got with FiM. This event by itself could lead them to change their minds at some point and change the aim somewhere else.

>I think part of the original charm was that it was free to be it's own thing since nobody tended to pay much heed or mind to the earlier generations of the franchise, and as such it had essentially no expectations to live up to and no real fanbase to try and please.
like any newborn creation, free of filth or corruption that stays innocent. I suppose that these are the reasons why /mlp/ (for the most part) praises the old seasons: comfyness and lack of contact with the real world. I understand why you have these thoughts. However, nothing stays pure forever, you are going to be influenced and change that innocent nature for something else sooner or later. /mlp/ spends a lot of time at discussing how comfy the early seasons were but I see no one appreciating its growth and adaptability to mature along with the fans. Reaching the top of its game is a hard task....but it´s EVEN harder to keep that level over the years by adding new layers or experimentation to its back.

>Again not to say that what came after was bad. I may be repeating things that have been said by others before a bit.
well, the cyclical discussions come and go. I repeat myself a lot of times as well but I suppose that...one true sign of revealing who you are discussing with (even by having Anon in the forefront) is by noticing the consistent opinions delivered over time.


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>It's got more thought put into it than the vast majority of fan analysis, moreso I think since there's pretty much nobody else around to impress or split into factions, leaving just genuine love for the show.
eeeyup, you´ve nailed the reasons why this has happened: no one is watching and so, you have no one to impress. Besides, I´ve already impressed /mlp/ in the past with the digits, why should I impress anyone with the reviews in an alt chan? It´s stupid.

>I've got the text of it all at least. We could set up a pastebin or something to preserve it.
well, look at that. I have a task to assign to you and it´s exactly what you have mentioned here. I think that Bridgefag did that before but considering that he is focused on other things right now, I lend this setup to you.


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>>5322 (you)
>Exactly. Though it may be wishful thinking to hope for a show to retain it's original style and feel over time, if the writers were less self-aware of the work they're contributing to and the way it's audience perceives it, you end up with something that, in my opinion, is a bit more immersive.
Agreed.

>moreso I think since there's pretty much nobody else around to impress or split into factions, leaving just genuine love for the show.
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>I've got the text of it all at least. We could set up a pastebin or something to preserve it.
Thanks 5050. Remember, you are 100% welcome and invited to postgen4general. I know you feel a bit awkward with disrupting us here but honestly you were another one on the ride of this thread with us, just for the most part silent. Besides, if you've know us since 2018 you've almost an oldfag by /endpone/ sortlifespan if not one. I know that IRL stuff can get in the way and you may not get to post as often but I do hope you stick around. I have really enjoyed talking to ya and wouldn't mind you posting along with us.

Also, this posts serves as a PoLS. I've been pretty busy with stuff. The good news is a lot of it is /pone/ related.