Petar: what exactly are you trying to achieve by september when it comes to programming C++
Swete: idk
Swete: why
Petar: cause i just talked to my dad about it, and he was right about a couple things
Swete: I want to at least make a calculator that actually is like the windows one and not text based. but that would take a little longer i thin
Swete: brb
Swete: wait
Swete: eating, tell me when baxck
Petar: k
Swete: or just sayit now
Swete: and Ill read it after
Petar: we shouldnt start focusing on the gaming part before september comes because 2 months isn't enough time to grasp C++ to that extent that we can just write code off by heart enough to write a game with
Petar: he said it's a harder langauge in comparison to python and that grasping the basics of python would take maybe a month or so, and transferring those skills to learn the basics of c++ would only be like a few days to a week
Petar: whereas grasping the  basics of C++ right off the bat would take two months
Petar: so he was just curious as to what you/we were generally trying to achieve by the time school starts again
Swete: Anyway, let me read that, dont say anything bro
Swete: Anyway
Swete: I said what I was trying to achieve
Petar: but like
Petar: no projects in specific
Swete: I set my goals low so that Ill blast by them
Petar: like goals of what you want to learn
Swete: I want to learn like
Swete: i said
Swete: i pretty much just want to learn the BASICS of making programs with c++
Swete: I obviously dont think im going to make like, oblivion in a month
Petar: i know but
Petar: i just think it's better to start off by learning ABOUT programming and like how all the key elements work together and what exactly they do
Petar: that'd be much more useful than just making specific programs one after the other
Swete: Im not just making dozens of programs
Petar: i never implied that's what you were doing
Petar: im just saying like
Swete: Im mostly working on one of them, and then improving the code and stuff. Most of the time I just read though
Petar: instead of jumping into making calculators and password-programs, knowing about the stufft that causes is it  to work the way it does would be the most useful thing
Swete: LOL, all you need to know for making a calculator is like
Swete: BASIC math
Swete: im serious
Swete: the code for it is SO simple
Petar: i know
Swete: only a text based one though, like im doing
Petar: and im not saying any of this to you as if im saying what you're doing is pointless
Swete: I've only done console programs not like actually windows ones
Petar: i was just asking about future achievements
Swete: Mostly working towards making a program that actually uses the mouse and isnt just text based and stuff
Swete: yaw men
Swete: mean
Petar: all im saying is by september the most useful thing we could do is learn the basics of C++ and about programming in general, that way it becomes a lot easier for us to do what we want and understand what exactly it is we're doing
Petar: we can make little testing programs after learning something new and stuff
Swete: sorry crashed
Swete: anyway, Im mostly trying not to rush, and actually understand what im doing
Petar: even something like a fully-made test-based calculator is a good objective but we need to make a main achievement of learning the basics and nothing else really
Swete: y'know
Petar: ye
Swete: Oh
Swete: we should probably work on some oop and stuff I guess
Swete: could be usefull
Petar: oop?
Petar: but dont forget about what i said earlier
Swete: object oriented programming
Petar: oh
Swete: obviously not advanced stuff yet
Swete: just basic
Petar: but I definitely agree with him when he says learning Python = 1 month, transferring those skills to CSS = few-several days
Swete: if we take it slow and work hard we can make leif look like an idiot with our skills
Petar: whereas just learning C++ from scratch = 2 months
Petar: he's not necessarily saying we should stop learning C++ but he's saying it's a much more advanced language essentially
Swete: I know, but even if it takes a little longer, I honestly wouldnt mind
Swete: I got so bored with python, c++ makes it more fun
Petar: and therefore it should be a little easier to start with Python then transfer that knowledge to Python
Swete: therefore easier to learn
Petar: what's boring about python
Swete: idk
Swete: just sort of boring
Petar: you made a calculator then said WHAT DOES DO and switched to python, lol
Swete: no
Swete: thats not true
Swete: anyway
Swete: fine, you can learn python lul
Petar: i think learning with a partner is also good because you're there to check each other's mistakes and confirm what something does/what something means
Petar: so i think we should stick on the same language and seeing as how you can be pretty ignorant for something as small as this, i guess we could do C++ even though it's not smart starting off with a much more advanced/complex like C++
Swete: ok
Petar: but just the element of learning it with a partner makes it a little simpler i guess
Petar: but pretty much out of this, im saying like spend a day learning about one thing and getting a really good understand of it as opposed to moving onto the next as if you know all about it
Swete: I know\
Petar: so watch a tutorial, and if it mentions something you dont fully know like a certain class/string you can look it up
Petar: and do that kinda stuff
Swete: ok
Petar: and if we are gonna take this seriously we can do it in person as well
Petar: maybe even quiz each other, that kind of stuff
Swete: pretty much
(LATER ON)
Petar: why C++ ?
Swete: its the most used
Petar: not a negative question either, just asking
Petar: but is it most used in what you want to eventually use it for?
Swete: its like 3rd most behind java and c