mac^^^ the factionalist (Mueller investigation)

12:37:37 PM+SimdThe GOP is the primary enemy of the USA.
12:38:00 PM+mac^^^Democrats are the primary enemy of the USA
12:38:05 PM+Simdmac^^^: Why?
12:38:18 PM+mac^^^simd they want to destroy the economy
12:38:20 PM+SimdGive me your 1-3 top reasons, and I'll do the same.
12:38:34 PM+mac^^^sieg heil
12:38:37 PM+Simdmac^^^: What is the primary way the Democrats would like to destroy the economy?
12:38:52 PM+mac^^^simd by raising taxes
12:39:01 PM+Simdmac^^^: Why does raising taxes destroy the economy?
12:39:08 PM+mac^^^by having more regulation than necessary
12:39:11 PM+mac^^^by discouraging oil production
12:39:14 PM+Simdmac^^^: Are you aware the USA has some of the lowest taxes of Western nations?
12:39:24 PM+mac^^^simd raising taxes reduces incentives
12:39:53 PM+mac^^^simd have it your way, just stay off my Roth IRA, ok?
12:40:00 PM+SimdWhat is my way?
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12:40:05 PM+SimdI haven't yet explicated a position.
12:40:10 PM+mac^^^your way is higher taxes
12:40:12 PM+farits not higher taxes on the rich.  its higher tax rates on the first 200k-500k dollars earned, and higher tax rates on dollars over 500k earned.  everyone pas same taxes on first 10k dollars they earn.  everyone pays same tax rate on first 10k-40k dollars they earn.  etc.
12:40:14 PM+SimdHow do you know?
12:40:26 PM+mac^^^willpa as long as its lighter than air
12:40:26 PM+SimdI haven't yet staked out that position.
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12:40:36 PM+Simdhttp://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes-compare-internationally
12:40:43 PM+Simd"Total US tax revenue equaled 26 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), well below the 34 percent average for developed countries (figure 1)."
12:41:02 PM+SimdThe US has a very, very, very low tax rate compared to Western nations.
12:41:25 PM+SimdThere is only one Western nation with a lower tax rate: Ireland.
12:41:40 PM+SimdBut you feel the way forward is to go lower, because otherwise we'll reduce incentives.
12:41:50 PM+mac^^^simd I'd not want to be part of the other western nations
12:42:09 PM+Simdmac^^^: Do you agree other nations act like experiments tests different variations in policy?
12:42:25 PM+SimdAnd the fact that the economies of other nations isn't "destroyed", with higher taxes, is evidence against your claim?
12:42:45 PM+farSimd; that sounds like its not taking state income taxes into account
12:42:57 PM+mac^^^simd I want minimum government
12:43:11 PM+Simdmac^^^: That is a different, but related claim
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12:43:29 PM+SimdI have provided data that indicates your claim that higher tax rates will destroy the economy is probably false
12:43:40 PM+faryou have to compare state and federal income taxes in US to country and whatever the EU taxes are called for EU
12:43:41 PM* mac^^^ has his head hurt by that baby grand which was dropped
12:44:00 PM+farEU member countries are more analogous to US states
12:44:33 PM+Simdfar: State taxes are mentioned in that article
12:44:38 PM+farin fact everything would probably work better if we were 50 countries in a union
12:44:42 PM+SimdProperty Taxes: Property taxes provided almost twice as large a share of US tax revenue—10 percent in 2015—than the OECD average of 6 percent. Almost all revenue from taxes on property in the United States is collected by state and local governments.
12:44:59 PM+Simd"Most consumption tax revenue in the United States is collected by state and local governments."
12:45:15 PM+mac^^^simd property taxes are the most evil tax
12:45:19 PM+Simdmac^^^: For the record, you provide no citations in defense of your position
12:45:28 PM+Simdmac^^^: Now, I will offer a reason in defense of my claim
12:45:32 PM+mac^^^simd well EXCUSE me
12:45:46 PM* mac^^^ DOES have a record however
12:45:46 PM+farok if thats taking state income tax into account then 26% does sound low
12:45:48 PM+SimdJames Madison, primary author of the US Constitution, in Federalist 10, claims that factionalism is the primary enemy of the republic
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12:46:33 PM+Simd"By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community."
12:46:34 PM+farif the rich were shouldering the tax burden it would be closer to 50%
12:46:35 PM* mac^^^ would not mind if the USA broke up as long as the part he is in has the most freedom and lowest tax burden
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12:46:58 PM+Simdmac^^^: The current version of the GOP is perhaps the purest form of a faction in the history of the USA
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12:47:19 PM+SimdThere is major discussion among senior members of the GOP as to whether Mueller should be allowed to continue his investigation
12:47:21 PM+mac^^^simd I'm not quite sure what "faction" means
12:47:29 PM+SimdThe Senate and House investigations into Trump are virtually dead
12:47:51 PM+SimdYou have, in the open, chairs of committees using their committees for blatantly partisan reasons
12:47:57 PM+mac^^^simd Mueller is just a waste of taxpayer money, nothing of significance will come of it
12:48:22 PM+Simdmac^^^: I gave you the definition of faction from Madison
12:48:27 PM+mac^^^best that could happen is some drunk driver have headon collision with Mueller
12:48:34 PM+SimdWhy?
12:48:40 PM+farpartisan reasons
12:48:47 PM+SimdAgreed, far.
12:48:54 PM+SimdI'm curious what deceptive reason he gives.
12:49:09 PM+mac^^^simd i read that post you did by Madison and my interpretation is its the same as democracy
12:49:15 PM+fari doubt he can be bothered to think of one.  just go my team.
12:49:57 PM+Simdmac^^^: I will repost this conversation everytime a major figure of the GOP or Trump administration is indicted or pleads guilty as a result of Mueller's investigation
12:50:00 PM+RickNRollhttp://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/former-ksdk-reporter-and-ferguson-spokesman-jeff...
12:50:05 PM+SimdThis will help keep you accountable for your claims
12:50:15 PM+SimdWe should have the next sometime in January
12:50:25 PM+mac^^^simd just as long as Trump stays president :)
12:50:33 PM+Simdmac^^^: Did you notice you haven't yet given a reason
12:50:42 PM+SimdFor why Mueller should be hit by a drunk driver
12:50:42 PM+mac^^^simd reason for what
12:50:47 PM+SimdBut you have responded to later posts
12:50:49 PM+SimdI noticed
12:50:52 PM+mac^^^oh that, because I hate Mueller
12:50:55 PM+SimdWhy?
12:51:12 PM+mac^^^because he wants to destroy Trump and I hate people who want to destroy Trump
12:51:26 PM+SimdWhat if Trump was worthy of being destroyed?
12:51:37 PM+SimdWould it then become ethical to destroy Trump?
12:51:41 PM+mac^^^simd well that would be your opinion and not mine
12:51:48 PM+SimdNo, it's a question
12:51:56 PM+SimdExploring your worldview and value system
12:51:59 PM+mac^^^ok, its a question I don't care about
12:52:08 PM+Simdmac^^^: Is anybody worthy of being destroyed
12:52:20 PM+SimdBesides Mueller
12:52:29 PM+muellerti"I hate people who offend my god emperor!"
12:52:30 PM+SimdOkay, I will disengage from this conversation
12:52:32 PM+mac^^^simd yeah, NK leader