#documentation text dump Mid Jan - Early Feb

RingRush - 01/12/2016
you can skip the cs around w1 in japes with an instrument (run forward and crouch slide into it) [2 frame window?](edited)
hipstur - 01/12/2016
neat
XavierR221 - 01/12/2016
Can I have the 101% VC Route? I'm going to start speedrun this soon, since I finally have time on my hands 😃
Connor75 - 01/12/2016
all my routes are at the bottom of this http://pastebin.com/zzHXCe2C
Pastebin
DK64 101% FAQ (Wii U VC) - Pastebin.com

EmoArbiter - 01/12/2016
For future reference ask in a different channel. This one is for documenting new tricks and such
January 13, 2016
Connor75 - 01/13/2016
I just completed a 101% run using the exact route I always do, except I collected the Mill GB as Chunky instead of DK. Both of the special credits played.
2dos - 01/13/2016
can you confirm that it says 6/5 GBs for chunky and 4/5 GBs for DK on the IL page?
Connor75 - 01/13/2016
I can when the credits end
ok i confirmed Chunky has 6 and DK has 4
2dos - 01/13/2016
neat, thanks
January 14, 2016
Isotarge - 01/14/2016
Earlier today I mentioned that blueprints are different actor types, I should add that each Kong's kasplat is also a different actor type.
Dogadon uses one actor type for both fights
Same with Armydillo
The boss keys share one actor type
Except possibly key 8, which doesn't appear in the normal actor/object system
markusman64ds 🐵 - 01/14/2016
Theoretical key 6 from japes then?
Isotarge - 01/14/2016
Wouldn't surprise me, but grabbing armydillo in Japes just causes a weird infinite death cutscene
In most bosses that's a quick kill
Dogadon 1, 2, mj, army 2
theballaam96 - 01/14/2016
Is it possible to wrong key grab from bosses which don't have 2 fights (eg. Key 7 in Pufftoss)?(edited)
Adam Whitmore - 01/14/2016
i tried so hard trying to find a quick kill for mad jack
Isotarge - 01/14/2016
I haven't found a way to grab pufftoss yet
ShadowLinky - 01/14/2016
Just push him off the pillar
Ez
Isotarge - 01/14/2016
Or more specifically, I haven't found a way to leave the boat
Adam Whitmore - 01/14/2016
is there a way to go OOB
theballaam96 - 01/14/2016
I presume you could if you lagged the game enough and you were going at full speed
Adam Whitmore - 01/14/2016
grab pufftoss on the surface of the water
markusman64ds 🐵 - 01/14/2016
Removeboat.lua
DigitalVortex - 01/14/2016
@Isotarge If you're simply looking to test, can you spawn in a GB? You'd fall out after grabbing it
Isotarge - 01/14/2016
Yep it's certainly a good method to test this but unfortunately I can't spawn stuff yet
DigitalVortex - 01/14/2016
Picking up the key doesn't make you leave the ship right?
markusman64ds 🐵 - 01/14/2016
No i dont think
DigitalVortex - 01/14/2016
an alternative, can you change the animation to the banana grabbing animation? Maybe he can fall out of the ship that way
markusman64ds 🐵 - 01/14/2016
Maybe
January 15, 2016
RingRush - 01/15/2016
you can land and play the instrument after flying through the totem for the third time in aztec. The vulture cage opens but the vulture just sits there
RingRush - 01/15/2016
if you flip the cam through the wall then take out your fairy camera in the corner by diddy's kasplat (where his 3 coins are) you can get the frowny/smily for the back fairy, although it usually isn't spawned
GloriousLiar - 01/15/2016
in japes i'm assuming?
Bismuth - 01/15/2016
yes in japes
January 16, 2016
Znernicus - 01/16/2016
I just found an accidental GB dance skip/deathwarp while practicing
in Tiny's 5DC room after you kill all the enemies you can jump into the pit just where the GB spawns and you can get it while you are deathwarping back to the start of the room
should be faster since it skips the entire GB moving the center cutscene as well?
but obviously risky for RTA
Connor75 - 01/16/2016
Ringrush already did that
But would cool to see a set up for RTA
Znernicus - 01/16/2016
glad to hear the TAS got it
RingRush - 01/16/2016
idk if I mentioned this before but over half of bblast shots have 2 frames to be frame perfect (since the early frame doesn't hit the very edge of the cannon it loses a frame later)
January 18, 2016
RingRush - 01/18/2016
theres an infinite fall in the pre-minecart area in japes
according to script hawk the floor here is -1,676,424.25
Adam Whitmore - 01/18/2016
we know theres an infinite fall in japes
RingRush - 01/18/2016
for reference you fall 10 every visual frame
in the minecart area not outside
Adam Whitmore - 01/18/2016
oh ive seen that before
you can crash your game right there(edited)
GloriousLiar - 01/18/2016
there's a random drop below snide's in caves that will cause you to void
RingRush - 01/18/2016
you have full control over the minecart that you ride into diddy's minecart ride, including jumping, leaning, and reversing the camera
January 19, 2016
Bismuth - 01/19/2016
If you're like me and sometimes Chunky won't swim to the GB during the cutscene in Tiny Temple, use this backup to get the GB http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/v/36316135
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Bismuth9

Connor75 - 01/19/2016
Im not 100% sure, but I think I remember that wall being too thick for VC to swim through (Like the ships in galleon)
hipstur - 01/19/2016
i just tested what bismuth posted
so long as you STVW near the bottom of the water, you can still get the GB
in the klap trap room, SVTW in the corner can clip, the rest appears to be like galleon ship where you're unable to clip
oh looks like i was wrong you don't need lowest height you can do it just like the bismuth vid
January 21, 2016
Tiffanyjane - 01/21/2016
In Kutout if you collect the key and gain control then STVW you'll be switched to the next Kong  even though the barrel isn't there
Tiffanyjane - 01/21/2016
As far as I've seen, we are unable to MMM off of the "Alternate ISG" that I stumbled upon.
Adam Whitmore - 01/21/2016
what if you can make key 7 to not spawn an STVW walls out what will happen
January 22, 2016
Tiffanyjane - 01/22/2016
...so kill the boss and get no key but gain control? It shouldn't be any different than gaining control + picking up the key...
January 23, 2016
Tiffanyjane - 01/23/2016
if you pause exit before the rareware coin touches you, it won't save into your inventory
Adam Whitmore - 01/23/2016
that happens to 2dos before
GloriousLiar - 01/23/2016
i assume he means in cranky's not jetpac adam
Adam Whitmore - 01/23/2016
thats what i meant
wait never mind
Tiffanyjane - 01/23/2016
sorry, yeah I meant inside of Cranky's not in the Jetpac minigame
January 24, 2016
Tiffanyjane - 01/24/2016
You'll take damage if you use Shockwave beneath a Zinger
Connor75 - 01/24/2016
The face puzzles of Chunky and DK start in the same position every time
Tiffanyjane - 01/24/2016
(Likely known) pausing after completing the bonus barrel at the end of Fungi/Caves Bblast will cause the GB not to spawn
Connor75 - 01/24/2016
Its possible to make K. Rool slip 4 times in Lanky Phase, but the phase doesnt end and K. Rool continues to run around even faster
markusman64ds 🐵 - 01/24/2016
Contrary to popular belief, the voice actor for Donkey Kong in the Donkey Kong Country cartoon, Richard Yearwood, did not do the singing in most episodes. DK's singing was mostly done by the singer Sterling Jarvis.
RingRush - 01/24/2016
ledge clips are not uniform across a ledge: some places are clippable and some aren't, or some are easier to clip than others. Learn where to do them before dismissing them
Znernicus - 01/24/2016
In lanky's igloo room, you can make a high jump from the single banana just below the higher baboon balloon pad. Counterintuitively, he will only grab the ledge if his back is facing it at the peak of the jump
Mouse - 01/24/2016
(meme documentation) there is a terrible cutscene if you go up to japes bblast pad without the move -__-
Adam Whitmore - 01/24/2016
the cutscene that shows you where cranky is in japes
Mouse - 01/24/2016
yeh
GloriousLiar - 01/24/2016
if you time a jump at the right moment after skidding you can do what i like to call a "skid jump" retaining ground properties in the air
Kiwikiller67 - 01/24/2016
http://www.twitch.tv/kiwikiller67/v/37330555 this happened to me yesterday. I had never seen this before. Not sure if anyone else has
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Kiwikiller67

Outlaw - 01/24/2016
dude
sick dance skip set up
Kiwikiller67 - 01/24/2016
yeah lol
Znernicus - 01/24/2016
i've seen a similar dance skip happen where it landed more on the metal steps area
Adam Whitmore - 01/24/2016
ive seen ringrush done that
Kiwikiller67 - 01/24/2016
I've seen the dance skip before, i've just never seen the banana clip in so much
theballaam96 - 01/24/2016
2dos did it on the metal grate once http://www.twitch.tv/2dos/c/4159311
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2dos

Do we know why it happens though, and if we can manipulate the position of the GB drop like what they do in BK?
GloriousLiar - 01/24/2016
it's dependent on where you're standing and what direction you're facing
DigitalVortex - 01/24/2016
So, my guess is that it has to do with the frame of the fall animation you're on. http://i.divtx.in/vlc_2016-01-24_10-58-39.jpg Frame 1 of banana grab, frame 1 of falling + Banana Grab(edited)
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http://i.divtx.in

Frame 2 of falling: http://i.divtx.in/vlc_2016-01-24_10-59-15.jpg
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http://i.divtx.in

DigitalVortex - 01/24/2016
Of course, this could also be how the grate is possibly registered as a floor in the same way that you get a cutscene skip with diddy in factory and simian spring, possibly?
RingRush - 01/24/2016
1. banana spawn is based off of your position and the direction the camera is facing, not where you are facing
2. almost certainly you have a frame there where you are over the floor before grabbing the GB, probably because you are coming from the side, possibly because of small gaps in the grate floor
DigitalVortex - 01/24/2016
I mean, you can see from the SS that 2dos was right over that hole, so it's possible. I guess an idea would be to test different locations and see if you can grab it with a skip over anotherhole without falling possibly
Ill do some testing now, see what i can get
DigitalVortex - 01/24/2016
There's an invisible slope on the edge of the area that you can slide down. Possibly it's that "pushing" that causes you to skip the dance
RingRush - 01/24/2016
why is it just not the height thing?
there are gbs all over the game you skip with the height thing that seem like they are over land, like lanky's gb in 5di
GloriousLiar - 01/24/2016
and the pipe gb coming from below
in factory
RingRush - 01/24/2016
yeah gb hitboxes extend out a bit and if you touch the hitbox while over height you get the skip
DigitalVortex - 01/24/2016
Im not saying it's not. Im just providing alternative solutions in the case that it isn't
Bismuth - 01/24/2016
this is the fastest kutout strat but has a 25% chance http://www.twitch.tv/bismuth9/v/37439465
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Bismuth9

Outlaw - 01/24/2016
If you detrans while holding the apple and enter a loading zone you softlock
RingRush - 01/24/2016
mentioned this before but reminder to not mash  for the first hit of k rool because there are some frames you go over him
Outlaw - 01/24/2016
Putting this here cause just came ot my attention most people might not know this: In order to pass rocketbarrel to another kong you must tag outside of tag barrel range. Rocketbarrel will only stay active on that kong so long as you do not go within range of that tag barrel and of course will deactivate by landing, going through a detrans trigger, ect.
Znernicus - 01/24/2016
unless you tag while still in the barrel animation, then you can pass it to another kong right? I might need to double check this
RingRush - 01/24/2016
yup
and yeah, you don't need to necessarily tag out of range (you usually can't), but you need to fly out of range in the few seconds before you become invisible
January 25, 2016
GloriousLiar - 01/25/2016
posting this here because I didn't see kondi post it  http://www.twitch.tv/konditioner/v/37470058
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Konditioner

tiny temple gb without killing enemies
Tiffanyjane - 01/25/2016
Regularly attacking K. Rool in DK Phase makes DK Bounce off of K. Rool. You gain invicibility frames during this knockback as well as a small duration after landing.
RingRush - 01/25/2016
if you try to moontail in the k rool fight it is always as if you have no crystals/shockwave, which is not surprising since shockwave is disabled
RingRush - 01/25/2016
fast run is frame perfect in diddy's phase
Bismuth - 01/25/2016
I pause exited on the first frame that there was any sound at all upon touching a pearl and it saved - this means pause exit on last pearl is at the very least 2 frames
January 26, 2016
Konditioner - 01/26/2016
I didn't post it since it was already known. RR's LOTAD does it from the other side iirc
GloriousLiar - 01/26/2016
yeah but if it's a setup for RTA then it belongs here
RingRush - 01/26/2016
Moveless GB #145: DK can do a series of moonkicks up to the top of the candles in diddy's upper 5dt, lighting them. DIddy can come in after to pick up the GB
January 28, 2016
RingRush - 01/28/2016
if you void out on round 12 of k rool you trigger the "K Rool won unanimously you suck" cs upon entering the fight next
enter k rools shoe right at a timeout....when leaving you'll get the cranky cutscene, then the k rool shaking you out of his shoe cutscene, then a replay of the time over cutscene, then the round will start over and it will still be round 4
Follow ups to test: do this on round 12 ; do this on hit 4(edited)
okay, no matter what hit you do it on, you'll be in "Shoe 1" when you enter
if you saw the lines I just deleted they are redacted I'm dumb and have a cheat on
okay, on round 12 what actually happens is you go in the foot as normal, then upon leaving you get the kick shake, then the "K rool win lmao" cs, then you are kicked out of the fight
RingRush - 01/28/2016
iso is there a way to turn up lag
tiny's shoes are just ridiculous
a script to just arbitrarily boost lag would make things look less stupid
DigitalVortex - 01/28/2016
his scripthawk stuff has a thing for it
Isotarge - 01/28/2016
All DK's lag fix does is tweak the speed boost given by lag, it doesn't actually make the game lag any more or any less
I can only really do that in BK/BT rn
Cfox7 - 01/28/2016
i used to have a setup for consistently skipping the gb cs. I'll have to look into that fall skip. That seems similar to lanky cs skip in his igloo
January 29, 2016
RingRush - 01/29/2016
k rool's toes aren't actually in a fixed pattern...some of them actually change based on your movements
hipstur - 01/29/2016
is that what some of call 'desyncing the toes'
January 30, 2016
RingRush - 01/30/2016
if you reset to skip instrument cses you have to watch candy try to seduce you the next time you enter
Bismuth - 01/30/2016
if you reset to skip the CS on the first time you buy an instrument
later visits won't trigger the CS again I'm 99.9% sure
RingRush - 01/30/2016
then why did it happen in the lotad
I watch the candy first time cs twice
Bismuth - 01/30/2016
because you reset on the first visit
if you reset on any other visit you won't get the first visit again
RingRush - 01/30/2016
oh right
you said "first time you buy an instrument"
EmoArbiter - 01/30/2016
Not a new trick or anything but here's a little cleaner way to get to Chunky's 5DT in NLE Aztec 2 http://www.twitch.tv/emoarbiter/v/38585124
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EmoArbiter

EmoArbiter - 01/30/2016
dying within some window of completing 100m in DK Arcade will kill you and not complete the stage
Znernicus - 01/30/2016
number game can be done with 33 remaining 😛 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuZfOuhOTIU
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Znernicus
33proof


February 1, 2016
2dos - 02/01/2016
When you have a restore point stored in the VC menu, you lose 0.5 seconds compared to not having one https://twitter.com/SigNaKong/status/693955607276093444
SigNa@SigNaKong
If you have a load restore point, you lose 0.5s when you open vc menu https://t.co/mWLvG86bHz
hipstur - 02/01/2016
if you play your guitar during the tower cutscene while on top of the tower, the tower will rise but you will stay in the same spot and not rise with it
you'll just be under the tower, i was curious and decided to try it on a bad run
not a good idea
Cfox7 - 02/01/2016
Factory lobby instrument GB quick grab setup http://www.twitch.tv/cfox7/v/39640535
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Cfox7

Japes lobby instrument quick grab http://www.twitch.tv/cfox7/v/39641352
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Cfox7

DK Isles Chunky instrument quick grab http://www.twitch.tv/cfox7/v/39641713
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Cfox7

@Kiwikiller67
Kiwikiller67 - 02/01/2016
thanks cfox
DigitalVortex - 02/01/2016
I don't have VC to test, but would the dance skip be faster or slower?
Kiwikiller67 - 02/01/2016
interrupting the cutscene should be faster for VC as a lot of these dance skips take a while to set up
a dance skip could be faster for the factory one
highly doubtful for chunky's
Cfox7 - 02/01/2016
i set them all up really slow in the videos
they can be done really quick
Znernicus - 02/01/2016
if you're going to use a setup would it make more sense for it to get the GB placement that allows for the dance skip?
still good to know the angle for the quick land
February 2, 2016
Kiwikiller67 - 02/02/2016
setting up the drop for chunky's isles saves 2 seconds if you get the instant grab over not getting it
and znern it shortens the oh banana cutscene, it's usually better to just take the guaranteed time save
especially with all of these walls apart from factory not being flat
Znernicus - 02/02/2016
yea i think the practical option is to get the quick grab
also I didn't know chunky isles had a quick grab setup, that's neat
Kiwikiller67 - 02/02/2016
http://www.twitch.tv/kiwikiller67/v/39683631 Fastest way I timed to do the void for NLE. It's faster to do this than walk out on VC.
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Kiwikiller67

RingRush - 02/02/2016
in probably 95% of cases its faster to get a dance skip than a cutscene interrupt
on n64
maybe a bit less on vc
but some of them are surprising, like DK's cabin in forest its faster to barrel jump and dodge the gb and dance skip afterwards (NOT saying this is practical)
theballaam96 - 02/02/2016
Shooting the final target in Chunky's Cannon Game in Galleon after the time expires will produce the sound confirming a hit; yet will not spawn the GB
Bismuth - 02/02/2016
having the giant kosha cutscene play while you are in rocketbarrel will not clear it - it will play again the next time, forcing you to watch it twice(edited)
Tiffanyjane - 02/02/2016
The Kremlings by Candy/Cranky in Factory can go through the boxes and the platforms nearby
Exchord - 02/02/2016
if anyone feels like improving a minecart record, reminder that 87 coins is possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg92hRh01vE
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Exchord
Fungi Forest Minecart 86/87 Coins


at first I thought 86 was the max because the game crashes if you walk towards the first coin
but then I found out you can bring a tag barrel into the course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NAIKIySdsU(edited)
dk can moonkick up the incline at 5:47 (I don't remember if it required lag), go all the way back to the start and get in the minecart to collect the coin, then skip all the cutscenes with R to avoid intro story
alternatively, you can enter the water in the first lever room (you can actually swim there by lowering your oob height), go to the end of the course, get the coins behind the junction and swim back up to the minecart
Adam Whitmore - 02/02/2016
i wonder if VC doesn't crash when you touch the gate i think it will probably crash
February 3, 2016
Adam Whitmore - 02/03/2016
or the first coin, or the kremilin on the minecart
RingRush - 02/03/2016
you can skip the beanstalk cutscene by playing the instrument while z sliding into it
the beanstalk never spawns, but you can play your instrument on the pad to fly up and get it anyways (the instrument pad isn't there if you don't have bean)(edited)
if you mistime by a bit you'll just play your instrument during the cs and not lose any time, so even though it is a tight window it is worth going for(edited)
hipstur - 02/03/2016
wait what
Isotarge - 02/03/2016
Hot new STVW findings: http://pastebin.com/uJHCYmvu(edited)
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STVW Theory - Pastebin.com

hipstur - 02/03/2016
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Bismuth - 02/03/2016
Steel Keg Clip to DK's Mill GB as Chunky https://youtu.be/EyrS51XeOaA
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Bismuth
Steel Keg Clip to DK's Mill GB as Chunky


by the way this doesn't mean you don't have to carry the first keg over, it's just that I had already done that when I started recording so one light was already flashing when I entered the room
February 5, 2016
Mouse - 02/05/2016
someone should look into a keg dupe setup. it would save a nice chunk of time if it's simple
RingRush - 02/05/2016
perfect moonwalking has 3.4 speed (running forwards has 3.5 speed)
February 6, 2016
Kiwikiller67 - 02/06/2016
http://www.twitch.tv/kiwikiller67/v/41150868 DK can clip with a moonkick in the painting room in japes. completely useless but cool
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Kiwikiller67

GloriousLiar - 02/06/2016
adam, can you please stop with the "i've done that before"
if you've done it before, document it
otherwise, keep stuff like that out of the documentation channel
Adam Whitmore - 02/06/2016
did you know that troff n scoff room doesn't have a celing(edited)
February 7, 2016
Mouse - 02/07/2016
i've done that before
GloriousLiar - 02/07/2016
Mouse >.> cmon
GloriousLiar - 02/07/2016
if you clip the corner of the trough in dk barn you can end up in shallow fake water
February 8, 2016
Znernicus - 02/08/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72PBpFtG02o
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Znernicus
Galleon lighthouse clip


Isotarge - 02/08/2016
Nice clip and nice sneaky deinterlacing test
Znernicus - 02/08/2016
hah yea I tried out your recommended setting
and happened to find a trick that i hadn't seen before
RingRush - 02/08/2016
is it a softlock leaving
or a trap
or a non-issue
Znernicus - 02/08/2016
watch to find out
(aka non issue)
but its funny why
Tiffanyjane - 02/08/2016
wow that's neat
Adam Whitmore - 02/08/2016
this kinda reminds me of cauldron keep early in BT
is that clip gonna be useful probably not(edited)
RingRush - 02/08/2016
I'm thinking it would be useful tas
but the biggest problem is how long it takes to leave
which messes up an already really tight ship cycle
Znernicus - 02/08/2016
you can grab it quicker than I showed
the biggest issue with the trick is how hard it is to land in the doorway
February 9, 2016
GloriousLiar - 02/09/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSOAnglN9x8
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GloriousLiar
Beetle Race Oddities


almost a new beetle race skip but fake banana
Mouse - 02/09/2016
Your hitbox is off during instrument playing and camera snaps
RingRush - 02/09/2016
more skippable moves for 101?: play an instrument on a pad and then mash switch (with tbs stored) after the instrument is done and you can play pads with the wrong kong(edited)
I playeds sax in japes lobby, switched lanky and go tthe gb to spawn....I had trombone don't know if that mattered