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- from /hhg/ Helluva Hotel general #703
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- Ultra controversial opinion incoming: I think Ms. Mayberry is infinitely more sympathetic than Angel Dust
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- Meh. I kind of think they're both examples of Charlie's talk of (people who are literally damned for committing one or more unforgiveable sins still) "having something good deep down inside". Angel Dust is an example of slow, drawn out despair and anger gradually ruining someone until it peaks, in his case with a substance abuse-related death. He was probably as nice as any other kid when he was little, but once he realized
- >He was gy
- >Everyone around him hated gays and people that he otherwise would have trusted and admired would loath him if they actually knew him
- he probably got a lot angrier, a lot less trusting, a lot more hostile, and a lot more prone to altering his brain chemistry toward favorable conditions with outside help, ultimately culminating in the actively callous, violent, indifferent, deceitful, oversxed jackass we all love for some reason. He's a slow burn
- Mayberry on the other hand is, admittedly only by her own description (read: biased), the victim of an undeserved spike of injustice that intruded on her otherwise perfect life. She "was a good person her whole life", she loved kids, her students loved her back, no indication that she was unfaithful to her husband, but he cheated on her and when she found out she abruptly snapped and committed a homicide, then felt enough guilt and self-hatred for the crime to immediately kill herself afterward. She's more of a flash in the pan.
- Charlie somehow has faith that Angel still has good in him, I'm sure she'd offer Mayberry the same invitation if they crossed paths.
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- >admittedly only by her own description (read: biased)
- How do we know the events of Addict or the comic aren't biased then, using your logic?
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- >Addict
- Perspective is mostly limited to Angel and Cherri, so we're getting their takes on the situation for sure. They also put a neon sign in the background that read "It was all a dream" for a few frames, so its possible that the events presented in Addict are nothing more than the duo's own little revenge fantasy. When 666 news discusses the turf war, Sir Pentious is described as a "noted kingpin", implying some degree of recognized power, while Cherri is a "self-described spunky powerhouse", implying that she's mostly bluster without much to show for it. I doubt she actually firebombed a club owned by a major overlord out of existence, but she'd probably like to, and Angel would probably like to leave that "fkin pompous shthead" and his crappy empire to burn because he's a douchebg rpist, but if any of that actually happened the pilot's opening wouldn't have featured a shot of Valentino's phone in the midst of a text conversation about Angel still doing Val's legwork. When your rpe vctim calls his buddy up and the two of them get all dolled up and btchslap you with a metric ton of explosives, you don't just send them a nasty text message later on asking them when they're going to pony up for their half of that pizza.
- >Prequel Comic
- Seems to be a fly-on-the-wall perspective on a crappy day in Angel's crppy afterlife to me, nothing about it says the events didn't happen as presented
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- The only thing from 'Addict' I would take at face value is the epilogue portion after the credits.
- The crux being it at least seems Angel is willing to give 'redemption' a fair chance, though that may be less wanting to get into Heaven and more trying to regain some control over his life.
- If I recall the music video also sets up some kind of similar negative relationship between Cheri and some other third party individual (which seems more implied to be a relative than a stranger). Though we don't have much to work with in regards to that.
- I do agree that the majority of the contents of the music video comes across more as wish fulfilment then something that actually occurred, at least at the time of the pilot.
- Angel and Cheri blowing up a major property belonging to his pimp/boss/whatever is likely going to destroy their professional relationship, and not be shrugged off as a minor inconvenience.
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- I think you could probably take the bits where Cherri is trying to comfort Angel while he's in the midst of an episode at face value too, along with the implication that Cherri has some kind of unhappy past with that new demon you get a quick look at like you said. Other than that, I agree that I think it's more of a characterization thing and not so much a plot shit thing.
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