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- #verbatim: funny how that works
- LittleFuryThings: wait
- InSaiyan30101: verbatim do you think our country should be a multicultural society or will that be bd
- LittleFuryThings: what did he say
- LittleFuryThings: why was he banned
- Dubio ⚠: we already ate
- Dubio ⚠: are*\
- #verbatim: it is a multicultural society
- #verbatim: and that is not bad
- InSaiyan30101: why is it not bad
- #verbatim: LittleFuryThings he was either a troll or a flat earth believer
- #verbatim: take your pick
- #verbatim: because
- #verbatim: being a country that is not all white
- #verbatim: isn't a bad thing
- stuffburns: What does a "multicultural society" even mean
- Dubio ⚠: whites can have differnt cultures
- stuffburns: "white" isnt a culture either...
- cryolite: link to the thinkprogress source: https://thinkprogress.org/you-are-more-than-7-times-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-right-wing-extremist-than-by-muslim-terrorists-417f3c3461db
- #verbatim: it's usually brought up in the context
- #verbatim: of race
- InSaiyan30101: i'm not talking about race, only culture ie western, islamic, etc.
- stuffburns: I doubt that
- #verbatim: + multicultural = diversity which is++
- Jimmy Conan: Scary stuff
- chicomexicano: hi
- Dubio ⚠: sup ese
- stuffburns: Only in subcultures that are obsessed with the ephemeral idea of "race"
- Mkbw✪50: I like multiculturalism tbh
- Mkbw✪50: It helps me know more about others' customs
- Dubio ⚠: I like it in the context of food
- Mkbw✪50: ^
- @MFahim様: .j osu
- Mkbw✪50: If you think about culture
- Mkbw✪50: Music, food, sport
- stuffburns: I know a couple of anthropologists and they rarely mention race
- Mkbw✪50: Multiculturalism helps therse things
- stuffburns: Anyway, what did insaiyan mean by multicultural?
- #verbatim: stuffburns: I doubt that
- #verbatim: doubt what
- InSaiyan30101: fuck i don't even know myself lol. I was watching the Boston U debate and one Trump supporter argued against multiculturalism
- • #verbatim anthropology major
- #verbatim: i just said that
- InSaiyan30101: I know it wasn't in context of race however
- #verbatim: in the context of htis political campaign
- #verbatim: people usually say multiculturalism in the context of ethnicity
- stuffburns: Ah i am not thinking in terms of the election
- #verbatim: and nation of origin
- stuffburns: I just kind of jumped in
- #verbatim: and religion
- #verbatim: it is ok
- Trump me daddy: what are the arguments against multiculturalism?
- stuffburns: I can argue against globalization but i don't think that is the same thing
- Trump me daddy: Usually its nice to have a bunch of cultures learning from each other
- chicomexicano: can you help me with this pleas? --> Those are their shoes. Dont they belong to _? a) us b) them c) theirs d) they
- Trump me daddy: stuffburns globalization is nice when done correctly
- Trump me daddy: its not something that should be rushed into ofc
- stuffburns: Nah i think it is bad 100% of the time
- Trump me daddy: why?
- Dubio ⚠: chicomexicano b
- stuffburns: Because it makes the world more homogenous for one thing
- chicomexicano: than u :D
- Trump me daddy: it doesn't though
- stuffburns: It means people spend more resources building terrible systems because they arent in conflict
- Trump me daddy: though a little more homogenous would be nice
- Trump me daddy: meh
- Trump me daddy: access to more resources and global trade is good
- stuffburns: Nah
- Trump me daddy: I think we should take out all tariffs
- stuffburns: People just do the worst things with it
- Trump me daddy: let the free market run wild
- stuffburns: If one country is shitty in a non globalized world it is possible to ditch it for something very different (at least shitty in a very different way), in a globalized world there is no
- Koizumi Itsuki: people always do the worst things with everything
- Trump me daddy: I am talking economically
- stuffburns: escape
- Trump me daddy: access to products from other countries
- stuffburns: I dont consider additonal wealth to be a pro
- Trump me daddy: would be really nice
- Koizumi Itsuki: the politically incorrect truth is that race is a social construct but it also is pretty valid biologically
- #verbatim: uh
- stuffburns: Koizumi you just contradicted yourself
- Koizumi Itsuki: that triggers both leftists and "alt rightists"
- #verbatim: backup
- Koizumi Itsuki: nah I didn't
- #verbatim: race can be traced to certain biological traits
- #verbatim: but overall
- #verbatim: it is very minor one's
- stuffburns: I am probably in the minority when i say this but
- #verbatim: relative to the whole
- stuffburns: I think the world has plenty of wealth already
- #verbatim: which is why scientists usually classify race as a clade
- #verbatim: rather than a race
- #verbatim: er
- #verbatim: not biological traits
- Koizumi Itsuki: genetic traits
- #verbatim: biological similarities
- #verbatim: any "trait"
- #verbatim: is a social construct
- stuffburns: "race" has been defined differently at different points in history
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- Trump me daddy: I hate when nonbiologists have this discussion
- #verbatim: ^
- stuffburns: Yep
- #verbatim: let me put it in a clearer way
- #verbatim: the social aspect of race
- #verbatim: is significantly more important
- #verbatim: than the nearly nonexistant genetic element
- #verbatim: that does not manifest itself in a physical or mental capacity
- Koizumi Itsuki: more like
- stuffburns: Even within biology, what lines of demarcation actually matter is arbitrary without additional context
- Koizumi Itsuki: the nearly nonexistant social element is the important part
- Koizumi Itsuki: and the vast genetic differences
- #verbatim: no
- #verbatim: i said
- Koizumi Itsuki: don't really matter to anyone
- #verbatim: the differences
- #verbatim: are social
- stuffburns: vast genetic differences?
- stuffburns: Wut
- #verbatim: there are not vast genetic differenecs
- Koizumi Itsuki: yes there are, relatively
- stuffburns: I mean, you can define "vast" however you like i guess
- Koizumi Itsuki: a japanese person is going to be way more genetically related to other japanese people than to irish people
- Trump me daddy: what kind of genetic differences
- Koizumi Itsuki: mostly nonsense stuff
- stuffburns: But by most people's standards they are not vast lol
- Trump me daddy: are you referring to
- Trump me daddy: lmao
- #verbatim: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
- Trump me daddy: Koizumi Itsuki you are talking about ancestry lol
- Trump me daddy: and yea, no shit lol
- Koizumi Itsuki: I'm talking about the genetic basis for race
- #verbatim: stuffburns: But by most scientist's standards they are not vast lol
- #verbatim: corrected
- Koizumi Itsuki: which is what matters, scientifically
- Koizumi Itsuki: and doesn't correspond with the social definition of race
- #verbatim: adn i'm saying that, yes there is ancestry
- #verbatim: but
- #verbatim: ultimately
- Quark: see im curious on why people see difference as a bad thing
- #verbatim: social aspects shape racial traits
- stuffburns: Biology is arbitrary too though, at least in the sense of what counts as important
- #verbatim: and not genetics
- Quark: yes, each race is different
- Quark: but why is that bad>
- Koizumi Itsuki: no, genetics make a race
- #verbatim: it isn't Quark
- Koizumi Itsuki: social aspects are what dumb people think race is
- #verbatim: yes, and then social pressures
- ShadowZek: Complacency Quark
- #verbatim: have the real impact
- Quark: asians have small eyes, blacks are fast, white people hav blond hair, etc
- Koizumi Itsuki: "durp he gotta different skeeeen"
- Quark: nothign wrong with that
- ShadowZek: That's why people don't like difference/change
- #verbatim: Quark yes that is true
- #verbatim: the point is that
- cryolite: aren't humans one of the least genetically diverse large species on the planet
- Koizumi Itsuki: quark that's not really true
- Koizumi Itsuki: yes cryolite
- #verbatim: humans are extremely undiverse
- cryolite: there was a big population bottleneck 10000 years ago
- #verbatim: so when people point out racial characteristics
- #verbatim: they're really not that relevant in the grand scheme of things
- stuffburns: Koizumi, people used to consider someone with no "black" phenotype characteristics a "black" person if they had literally any traceable "black" ancestry
- #verbatim: and that most tendencies are social in origin
- cryolite: i guess humans are just exceptionally good at picking out the extremely few genetic differences modern humans have
- @dingram: ppl still do that stuffburns
- @dingram: !
- stuffburns: The point is, it is purely a social distinction
- stuffburns: Unless you define it specifically to be about genetics
- Koizumi Itsuki: stuffburns that's because they were obsessed
- Koizumi Itsuki: the social definition is somewhat due to chance as well
- Koizumi Itsuki: all "races" are themselves racially mixed
- Koizumi Itsuki: it's just that people are used to it
- Koizumi Itsuki: and they're mixed enough that it's hard to separate the intraracial components
- #verbatim: cryolite: i guess humans are just exceptionally good at picking out the extremely few genetic differences modern humans have
- #verbatim: more or less
- Koizumi Itsuki: more like
- Koizumi Itsuki: pigmentation is a huge difference
- Koizumi Itsuki: even though it's like 2 genes
- #verbatim: it's amazing whenever i hear evidence of potential imbreeding between different biological species in humanity's past
- Koizumi Itsuki: or 2 SNPs rather
- stuffburns: But even in biology the differences that "matter" is not something you can decide without qualifiers and context
- Machiavelli ⚾: hopefully one day everyone has babies that are so mixed we cant tell the difference
- #verbatim: Koizumi Itsuki it is in the context that it is
- #verbatim: assigned
- Machiavelli ⚾: therefore we can shut up about all this
- stuffburns: Well there are multiple ways to classify a species
- Koizumi Itsuki: well it's huge because we have eyes
- #verbatim: homo sapien sapien vs homo neanderthales
- Trump me daddy: Machiavelli there is a theory that the human species will eventually become that
- Trump me daddy: given enough time
- #verbatim: it's not however
- #verbatim: huge
- #verbatim: in the sense that
- Trump me daddy: might take a millennia or so
- #verbatim: random assholes said race = physical strength or mental strength
- Machiavelli ⚾: i heard about that theory
- stuffburns: You can do it by molecular data, by morphology, or by breeding capabilites
- #verbatim: considering how genetically similar everyone is
- stuffburns: Trump me daddy, that would require reproductively isolated populations
- Quark: i mea mixed babies are pretty cute anyways
- Quark: i want to marry outside of my race
- Trump me daddy: I think in order to be considered a different species, a certain percentage of genes in a species genome needs to be considered different
- Koizumi Itsuki: tbh I think we should genetically engineer people
- #verbatim: idk
- #verbatim: all it would mean is
- Trump me daddy: they did genomes for all the different "races"
- Trump me daddy: and found them to all be the same
- #verbatim: rich people have better kids
- #verbatim: and i'm not in the .1% so that doesn't benefit me
- #verbatim: so i won't vote for it
- Trump me daddy: so race is purely a social construct
- stuffburns: Genetic engineering is gonna be used to create a more obedient population
- Machiavelli ⚾: eugenics sucks
- Machiavelli ⚾: it has some fancy ideas ill give it thatr
- #verbatim: Trump me daddy race as described in popular culture is a social construct
- #verbatim: ancestry
- #verbatim: is not
- #verbatim: for example
- Koizumi Itsuki: I'll agree with that
- Trump me daddy: No I am saying race itself doesnt exist
- Koizumi Itsuki: if you take a white person and change 2 SNPs
- Trump me daddy: cause there is no genetic difference between the species
- Koizumi Itsuki: he won't look white
- Trump me daddy: or the races
- Koizumi Itsuki: but he'll still be racially european
- Koizumi Itsuki: on a genetic level
- Machiavelli ⚾: there is a genetic difference isnt there?
- Trump me daddy: nope
- stuffburns: You can say it "doesnt exist" but that really doesnt matter either way lol
- Trump me daddy: all the races have the same genes lol
- stuffburns: People are gonna draw the lines wherever the fuck they want
- Machiavelli ⚾: maybe i just dont know enough about what you mean by genes
- Koizumi Itsuki: that's not true Trump me daddy
- Trump me daddy: nope its true
- Koizumi Itsuki: sometimes different genes are present in different races
- Koizumi Itsuki: particularly between africans and eurasians
- Trump me daddy: look up human genome project
- Koizumi Itsuki: it's not true
- Koizumi Itsuki: it's probably true most of the time
- Machiavelli ⚾: anyway as far as imd concerned the difference in genes arent impactful or relevant
- Machiavelli ⚾: if there are any differences that is
- Trump me daddy: http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/
- stuffburns: Trump me daddy
- Candes: Daddy better make me choke
- Trump me daddy: "Exploration of the genome has shown that all humans, whatever their race, share the same set of genes"
- stuffburns: You are thinking of genes
- stuffburns: But the ALLELEs of genes are differet
- stuffburns: Alleles are like what version of a gene you have
- Machiavelli ⚾: lmfao "alleless"?
- Koizumi Itsuki: no
- stuffburns: Fuck
- Machiavelli ⚾: sounds like
- stuffburns: My spelling
- Koizumi Itsuki: genes themselves can be different
- Trump me daddy: but they arent Koizumi Itsuki
- Trump me daddy: lol
- Koizumi Itsuki: but that's probably < 1% of the time
- Koizumi Itsuki: yeah they are
- stuffburns: That is true, but the alleles are the main different
- Trump me daddy: yea stuffburns
- Koizumi Itsuki: just cause a popsci article aimed at 15 year olds says something
- Koizumi Itsuki: doesn't mean it's true
- Candes: Koizumi Itsuki, do you think of the Pritchard's mixed-membership model for population genetics?
- Koizumi Itsuki: what is it
- Koizumi Itsuki: no, I don't think of it afaik
- Trump me daddy: Koizumi Itsuki find me something that says otherwise
- Koizumi Itsuki: ok
- Candes: pritchardlab.stanford.edu/publications/pdfs/PritchardEtAl00.pdf
- Trump me daddy: because every article on the human genome says its true
- Koizumi Itsuki: https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs1050829
- Koizumi Itsuki: here you go Trump me daddy
- Koizumi Itsuki: next time stop reading children's literature
- Trump me daddy: and what is this supposed to tell me
- Koizumi Itsuki: that ur
- stuffburns: Oi, that is disrespectful to children's lit
- Koizumi Itsuki: WRONG
- Trump me daddy: do you know what an SNP is lol
- Koizumi Itsuki: ye do you
- Trump me daddy: literally the same gene
- Trump me daddy: but with a variation in it
- Trump me daddy: but its the same gene
- Candes: Koizumi Itsuki, read an actual academic paper rather than some bullshit meant to help bioinformatics students
- Koizumi Itsuki: Depending on genotype, an individual may possess one of two primary versions of the G6PD gene; type A and type B. Type A is predominantly found in people who have African ancestry.
- Koizumi Itsuki: wrong.
- Trump me daddy: still the same gene tho
- Trump me daddy: lmao
- Trump me daddy: which was stuffburns point
- Trump me daddy: its the allele thats different, not the gene
- Candes: oh wait
- Koizumi Itsuki: this is the gene that's different
- Trump me daddy: its not different though
- Koizumi Itsuki: do you even know what an allele is
- Candes: this website for personal genomics crap
- Candes: even more trash
- Candes: Koizumi Itsuki middlebrow trash confirmed
- stuffburns: Well the nucleotide is what is different and that is called an allele
- Trump me daddy: ^
- Trump me daddy: the gene itself is the same tho
- stuffburns: Kind of like how a different number of neutrons gives you an isotope
- Koizumi Itsuki: no it's not
- Koizumi Itsuki: the gene has two different versions
- stuffburns: Yes exactly
- stuffburns: The gene is basically a trait
- stuffburns: An allele is a specific variation of a trait
- Candes: Guys, how about instead of struggling to learn middle school science, you just embrace your stupidity and just roll around it in?
- Koizumi Itsuki: isn't that why we come to this room
- Trump me daddy: the human genome project found that all humans carry the same "traits", but their expression of the traits are slightly different
- Candes: Well, it's why you do
- Koizumi Itsuki: someone is triggered
- Trump me daddy: difference in expressions are the results of alleles lol
- Candes: the others need to learn
- stuffburns: Is candes snen?
- Machiavelli ⚾: also since when do genes have anything to do with middle school science
- Candes: No
- Candes: Koizumi Itsuki is Snen
- stuffburns: Hmm
- Koizumi Itsuki: snen doesn't get buttmad
- Mkbw✪50: As long as your spirit of resistance remains, you are not allowed to even believe that you have control of your own destiny. Welcome to Xianggang." - Youngspiration
- Koizumi Itsuki: he just PMs homosexual messages
- Mkbw✪50: = Hong Kong
- stuffburns: My middle school biology teacher insisted that his genetic similarity to his brother is why they both married women with the same name
- stuffburns: >_>
- Candes: Koizumi Itsuki, but you're Snen
- Machiavelli ⚾: i could never marry a woman with a name that is in any way related to my family
- Crimson Chin: What if you just picked a nickname for her?
- Candes: I could never marry a woman in general
- Candes: I hate women
- Quark: oh
- Quark: i see
- Candes: I grab them by their you know whats
- +wgma☁️ ³ ³: hands?
- Candes: I hate Bs but I love Ps
- stuffburns: Tongue?
- Koizumi Itsuki: bubble butts
- Candes: if you know what I mean
- Koizumi Itsuki: grab them by their bubble butts
- Candes: like one time the girls were leaving their stuff all over the kitchen
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