#verbatim: funny how that works
LittleFuryThings: wait
InSaiyan30101: verbatim do you think our country should be a multicultural society or will that be bd
LittleFuryThings: what did he say
LittleFuryThings: why was he banned
Dubio ⚠: we already ate
Dubio ⚠: are*\
#verbatim: it is a multicultural society
#verbatim: and that is not bad
InSaiyan30101: why is it not bad
#verbatim: LittleFuryThings he was either a troll or a flat earth believer
#verbatim: take your pick
#verbatim: because
#verbatim: being a country that is not all white
#verbatim: isn't a bad thing
stuffburns: What does a "multicultural society" even mean
Dubio ⚠: whites can have differnt cultures
stuffburns: "white" isnt a culture either...
cryolite: link to the thinkprogress source: https://thinkprogress.org/you-are-more-than-7-times-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-right-wing-extremist-than-by-muslim-terrorists-417f3c3461db
#verbatim: it's usually brought up in the context
#verbatim: of race
InSaiyan30101: i'm not talking about race, only culture ie western, islamic, etc.
stuffburns: I doubt that
#verbatim: + multicultural = diversity which is++
Jimmy Conan: Scary stuff
chicomexicano: hi
Dubio ⚠: sup ese
stuffburns: Only in subcultures that are obsessed with the ephemeral idea of "race"
Mkbw✪50: I like multiculturalism tbh
Mkbw✪50: It helps me know more about others' customs
Dubio ⚠: I like it in the context of food
Mkbw✪50: ^
@MFahim様: .j osu
Mkbw✪50: If you think about culture
Mkbw✪50: Music, food, sport
stuffburns: I know a couple of anthropologists and they rarely mention race
Mkbw✪50: Multiculturalism helps therse things
stuffburns: Anyway, what did insaiyan mean by multicultural?
#verbatim: stuffburns: I doubt that
#verbatim: doubt what
InSaiyan30101: fuck i don't even know myself lol. I was watching the Boston U debate and one Trump supporter argued against multiculturalism
• #verbatim anthropology major
#verbatim: i just said that
InSaiyan30101: I know it wasn't in context of race however
#verbatim: in the context of htis political campaign
#verbatim: people usually say multiculturalism in the context of ethnicity
stuffburns: Ah i am not thinking in terms of the election
#verbatim: and nation of origin
stuffburns: I just kind of jumped in
#verbatim: and religion
#verbatim: it is ok
Trump me daddy: what are the arguments against multiculturalism?
stuffburns: I can argue against globalization but i don't think that is the same thing
Trump me daddy: Usually its nice to have a bunch of cultures learning from each other
chicomexicano: can you help me with this pleas? --> Those are their shoes. Dont they belong to _? a) us b) them c) theirs d) they
Trump me daddy: stuffburns globalization is nice when done correctly
Trump me daddy: its not something that should be rushed into ofc
stuffburns: Nah i think it is bad 100% of the time
Trump me daddy: why?
Dubio ⚠: chicomexicano b
stuffburns: Because it makes the world more homogenous for one thing
chicomexicano: than u :D
Trump me daddy: it doesn't though
stuffburns: It means people spend more resources building terrible systems because they arent in conflict
Trump me daddy: though a little more homogenous would be nice
Trump me daddy: meh
Trump me daddy: access to more resources and global trade is good
stuffburns: Nah
Trump me daddy: I think we should take out all tariffs
stuffburns: People just do the worst things with it
Trump me daddy: let the free market run wild
stuffburns: If one country is shitty in a non globalized world it is possible to ditch it for something very different (at least shitty in a very different way), in a globalized world there is no
Koizumi Itsuki: people always do the worst things with everything
Trump me daddy: I am talking economically
stuffburns: escape
Trump me daddy: access to products from other countries
stuffburns: I dont consider additonal wealth to be a pro
Trump me daddy: would be really nice
Koizumi Itsuki: the politically incorrect truth is that race is a social construct but it also is pretty valid biologically
#verbatim: uh
stuffburns: Koizumi you just contradicted yourself
Koizumi Itsuki: that triggers both leftists and "alt rightists"
#verbatim: backup
Koizumi Itsuki: nah I didn't
#verbatim: race can be traced to certain biological traits
#verbatim: but overall
#verbatim: it is very minor one's
stuffburns: I am probably in the minority when i say this but
#verbatim: relative to the whole
stuffburns: I think the world has plenty of wealth already
#verbatim: which is why scientists usually classify race as a clade
#verbatim: rather than a race
#verbatim: er
#verbatim: not biological traits
Koizumi Itsuki: genetic traits
#verbatim: biological similarities
#verbatim: any "trait"
#verbatim: is a social construct
stuffburns: "race" has been defined differently at different points in history
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Trump me daddy: I hate when nonbiologists have this discussion
#verbatim: ^
stuffburns: Yep
#verbatim: let me put it in a clearer way
#verbatim: the social aspect of race
#verbatim: is significantly more important
#verbatim: than the nearly nonexistant genetic element
#verbatim: that does not manifest itself in a physical or mental capacity
Koizumi Itsuki: more like
stuffburns: Even within biology, what lines of demarcation actually matter is arbitrary without additional context
Koizumi Itsuki: the nearly nonexistant social element is the important part
Koizumi Itsuki: and the vast genetic differences
#verbatim: no
#verbatim: i said
Koizumi Itsuki: don't really matter to anyone
#verbatim: the differences
#verbatim: are social
stuffburns: vast genetic differences?
stuffburns: Wut
#verbatim: there are not vast genetic differenecs
Koizumi Itsuki: yes there are, relatively
stuffburns: I mean, you can define "vast" however you like i guess
Koizumi Itsuki: a japanese person is going to be way more genetically related to other japanese people than to irish people
Trump me daddy: what kind of genetic differences
Koizumi Itsuki: mostly nonsense stuff
stuffburns: But by most people's standards they are not vast lol
Trump me daddy: are you referring to
Trump me daddy: lmao
#verbatim: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
Trump me daddy: Koizumi Itsuki you are talking about ancestry lol
Trump me daddy: and yea, no shit lol
Koizumi Itsuki: I'm talking about the genetic basis for race
#verbatim: stuffburns: But by most scientist's standards they are not vast lol
#verbatim: corrected
Koizumi Itsuki: which is what matters, scientifically
Koizumi Itsuki: and doesn't correspond with the social definition of race
#verbatim: adn i'm saying that, yes there is ancestry
#verbatim: but
#verbatim: ultimately
Quark: see im curious on why people see difference as a bad thing
#verbatim: social aspects shape racial traits
stuffburns: Biology is arbitrary too though, at least in the sense of what counts as important
#verbatim: and not genetics
Quark: yes, each race is different
Quark: but why is that bad>
Koizumi Itsuki: no, genetics make a race
#verbatim: it isn't Quark
Koizumi Itsuki: social aspects are what dumb people think race is
#verbatim: yes, and then social pressures
ShadowZek: Complacency Quark
#verbatim: have the real impact
Quark: asians have small eyes, blacks are fast, white people hav blond hair, etc
Koizumi Itsuki: "durp he gotta different skeeeen"
Quark: nothign wrong with that
ShadowZek: That's why people don't like difference/change
#verbatim: Quark yes that is true
#verbatim: the point is that
cryolite: aren't humans one of the least genetically diverse large species on the planet
Koizumi Itsuki: quark that's not really true
Koizumi Itsuki: yes cryolite
#verbatim: humans are extremely undiverse
cryolite: there was a big population bottleneck 10000 years ago
#verbatim: so when people point out racial characteristics
#verbatim: they're really not that relevant in the grand scheme of things
stuffburns: Koizumi, people used to consider someone with no "black" phenotype characteristics a "black" person if they had literally any traceable "black" ancestry
#verbatim: and that most tendencies are social in origin
cryolite: i guess humans are just exceptionally good at picking out the extremely few genetic differences modern humans have
@dingram: ppl still do that stuffburns
@dingram: !
stuffburns: The point is, it is purely a social distinction
stuffburns: Unless you define it specifically to be about genetics
Koizumi Itsuki: stuffburns that's because they were obsessed
Koizumi Itsuki: the social definition is somewhat due to chance as well
Koizumi Itsuki: all "races" are themselves racially mixed
Koizumi Itsuki: it's just that people are used to it
Koizumi Itsuki: and they're mixed enough that it's hard to separate the intraracial components
#verbatim: cryolite: i guess humans are just exceptionally good at picking out the extremely few genetic differences modern humans have
#verbatim: more or less
Koizumi Itsuki: more like
Koizumi Itsuki: pigmentation is a huge difference
Koizumi Itsuki: even though it's like 2 genes
#verbatim: it's amazing whenever i hear evidence of potential imbreeding between different biological species in humanity's past
Koizumi Itsuki: or 2 SNPs rather
stuffburns: But even in biology the differences that "matter" is not something you can decide without qualifiers and context
Machiavelli ⚾: hopefully one day everyone has babies that are so mixed we cant tell the difference
#verbatim: Koizumi Itsuki it is in the context that it is
#verbatim: assigned
Machiavelli ⚾: therefore we can shut up about all this
stuffburns: Well there are multiple ways to classify a species
Koizumi Itsuki: well it's huge because we have eyes
#verbatim: homo sapien sapien vs homo neanderthales
Trump me daddy: Machiavelli there is a theory that the human species will eventually become that
Trump me daddy: given enough time
#verbatim: it's not however
#verbatim: huge
#verbatim: in the sense that
Trump me daddy: might take a millennia or so
#verbatim: random assholes said race = physical strength or mental strength
Machiavelli ⚾: i heard about that theory
stuffburns: You can do it by molecular data, by morphology, or by breeding capabilites
#verbatim: considering how genetically similar everyone is
stuffburns: Trump me daddy, that would require reproductively isolated populations
Quark: i mea mixed babies are pretty cute anyways
Quark: i want to marry outside of my race
Trump me daddy: I think in order to be considered a different species, a certain percentage of genes in a species genome needs to be considered different
Koizumi Itsuki: tbh I think we should genetically engineer people
#verbatim: idk
#verbatim: all it would mean is
Trump me daddy: they did genomes for all the different "races"
Trump me daddy: and found them to all be the same
#verbatim: rich people have better kids
#verbatim: and i'm not in the .1% so that doesn't benefit me
#verbatim: so i won't vote for it
Trump me daddy: so race is purely a social construct
stuffburns: Genetic engineering is gonna be used to create a more obedient population
Machiavelli ⚾: eugenics sucks
Machiavelli ⚾: it has some fancy ideas ill give it thatr
#verbatim: Trump me daddy race as described in popular culture is a social construct
#verbatim: ancestry
#verbatim: is not
#verbatim: for example
Koizumi Itsuki: I'll agree with that
Trump me daddy: No I am saying race itself doesnt exist
Koizumi Itsuki: if you take a white person and change 2 SNPs
Trump me daddy: cause there is no genetic difference between the species
Koizumi Itsuki: he won't look white
Trump me daddy: or the races
Koizumi Itsuki: but he'll still be racially european
Koizumi Itsuki: on a genetic level
Machiavelli ⚾: there is a genetic difference isnt there?
Trump me daddy: nope
stuffburns: You can say it "doesnt exist" but that really doesnt matter either way lol
Trump me daddy: all the races have the same genes lol
stuffburns: People are gonna draw the lines wherever the fuck they want
Machiavelli ⚾: maybe i just dont know enough about what you mean by genes
Koizumi Itsuki: that's not true Trump me daddy
Trump me daddy: nope its true
Koizumi Itsuki: sometimes different genes are present in different races
Koizumi Itsuki: particularly between africans and eurasians
Trump me daddy: look up human genome project
Koizumi Itsuki: it's not true
Koizumi Itsuki: it's probably true most of the time
Machiavelli ⚾: anyway as far as imd concerned the difference in genes arent impactful or relevant
Machiavelli ⚾: if there are any differences that is
Trump me daddy: http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/
stuffburns: Trump me daddy
Candes: Daddy better make me choke
Trump me daddy: "Exploration of the genome has shown that all humans, whatever their race, share the same set of genes"
stuffburns: You are thinking of genes
stuffburns: But the ALLELEs of genes are differet
stuffburns: Alleles are like what version of a gene you have
Machiavelli ⚾: lmfao "alleless"?
Koizumi Itsuki: no
stuffburns: Fuck
Machiavelli ⚾: sounds like
stuffburns: My spelling
Koizumi Itsuki: genes themselves can be different
Trump me daddy: but they arent Koizumi Itsuki
Trump me daddy: lol
Koizumi Itsuki: but that's probably < 1% of the time
Koizumi Itsuki: yeah they are
stuffburns: That is true, but the alleles are the main different
Trump me daddy: yea stuffburns
Koizumi Itsuki: just cause a popsci article aimed at 15 year olds says something
Koizumi Itsuki: doesn't mean it's true
Candes: Koizumi Itsuki, do you think of the Pritchard's mixed-membership model for population genetics?
Koizumi Itsuki: what is it
Koizumi Itsuki: no, I don't think of it afaik
Trump me daddy: Koizumi Itsuki find me something that says otherwise
Koizumi Itsuki: ok
Candes: pritchardlab.stanford.edu/publications/pdfs/PritchardEtAl00.pdf
Trump me daddy: because every article on the human genome says its true
Koizumi Itsuki: https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs1050829
Koizumi Itsuki: here you go Trump me daddy
Koizumi Itsuki: next time stop reading children's literature
Trump me daddy: and what is this supposed to tell me
Koizumi Itsuki: that ur
stuffburns: Oi, that is disrespectful to children's lit
Koizumi Itsuki: WRONG
Trump me daddy: do you know what an SNP is lol
Koizumi Itsuki: ye do you
Trump me daddy: literally the same gene
Trump me daddy: but with a variation in it
Trump me daddy: but its the same gene
Candes: Koizumi Itsuki, read an actual academic paper rather than some bullshit meant to help bioinformatics students
Koizumi Itsuki: Depending on genotype, an individual may possess one of two primary versions of the G6PD gene; type A and type B. Type A is predominantly found in people who have African ancestry.
Koizumi Itsuki: wrong.
Trump me daddy: still the same gene tho
Trump me daddy: lmao
Trump me daddy: which was stuffburns point
Trump me daddy: its the allele thats different, not the gene
Candes: oh wait
Koizumi Itsuki: this is the gene that's different
Trump me daddy: its not different though
Koizumi Itsuki: do you even know what an allele is
Candes: this website for personal genomics crap
Candes: even more trash
Candes: Koizumi Itsuki middlebrow trash confirmed
stuffburns: Well the nucleotide is what is different and that is called an allele
Trump me daddy: ^
Trump me daddy: the gene itself is the same tho
stuffburns: Kind of like how a different number of neutrons gives you an isotope
Koizumi Itsuki: no it's not
Koizumi Itsuki: the gene has two different versions
stuffburns: Yes exactly
stuffburns: The gene is basically a trait
stuffburns: An allele is a specific variation of a trait
Candes: Guys, how about instead of struggling to learn middle school science, you just embrace your stupidity and just roll around it in?
Koizumi Itsuki: isn't that why we come to this room
Trump me daddy: the human genome project found that all humans carry the same "traits", but their expression of the traits are slightly different
Candes: Well, it's why you do
Koizumi Itsuki: someone is triggered
Trump me daddy: difference in expressions are the results of alleles lol
Candes: the others need to learn
stuffburns: Is candes snen?
Machiavelli ⚾: also since when do genes have anything to do with middle school science
Candes: No
Candes: Koizumi Itsuki is Snen
stuffburns: Hmm
Koizumi Itsuki: snen doesn't get buttmad
Mkbw✪50: As long as your spirit of resistance remains, you are not allowed to even believe that you have control of your own destiny. Welcome to Xianggang." - Youngspiration
Koizumi Itsuki: he just PMs homosexual messages
Mkbw✪50: = Hong Kong
stuffburns: My middle school biology teacher insisted that his genetic similarity to his brother is why they both married women with the same name
stuffburns: >_>
Candes: Koizumi Itsuki, but you're Snen
Machiavelli ⚾: i could never marry a woman with a name that is in any way related to my family
Crimson Chin: What if you just picked a nickname for her?
Candes: I could never marry a woman in general
Candes: I hate women
Quark: oh
Quark: i see
Candes: I grab them by their you know whats
+wgma☁️ ³ ³: hands?
Candes: I hate Bs but I love Ps
stuffburns: Tongue?
Koizumi Itsuki: bubble butts
Candes: if you know what I mean
Koizumi Itsuki: grab them by their bubble butts
Candes: like one time the girls were leaving their stuff all over the kitchen