[02:25] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Hey wanna talk about hounds coming back to Marshals and making the place diverse and fun again?
[02:25] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Did you X out yet?
[02:26] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): the place neato and fun again*
[02:26] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): making the place neato and fun again* (aaaa)
[02:27] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): What do you mean? Hounds have always been welcomed to Marshal, we have a few of them, and Terenia is an admin in Marshal as well. It's up to the hound if they want to join or not. But I admit we don't have that many hounds, we have quite a few of EXPs, alot of pirates, and a number of unaffiliated
[02:27] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Thats neato tho allot of people don't want to because joining means you just get diddled by marshals inside and the way Sergei explained it he needed to 'take it up with command' if Hounds could return or not
[02:28] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Also, Highly encourage that one marshal who wants to be a spy to.. n.. not do it, not gonna spoil anything bu..but it really isn't going to work out.
[02:28] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Also Also, on the topic of Mayhem
[02:29] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Not gonna spoil that either buuut.. keep your eye on your chat with Beatrix fore a bit forwards.
[02:29] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): No one ever gets diddled in Marshal though o,o We have a very low sexuality in Marshal, everyone keeps it private, even Marshal
[02:29] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): *even Sergei
[02:29] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Diddled as in they kinda get bullied and called pieces of shit like a few hounds did even back when they where more present inside
[02:29] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): its kinda  factor to why so many left.
[02:30] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I spoke to Beatrix already about Mayhem
[02:30] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Yeeeee, Gonna assume she told you then.
[02:30] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): And equally told you its a big 'hush hush' thing
[02:30] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): since apparently? APPARENTLY.. I have a mongrel that Meta-games
[02:30] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and that pisses me the fuck off.
[02:30] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Kill him please.
[02:31] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): You never noticed Mayhem meta games? I mean that is fair, you never had to work against him
[02:31] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): He some how knew my agent was with Marshal despite being disguised and making no rolls
[02:31] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Kinda not been paying attention to him after he made that massive dick move of giving them the logs of Whacks panick attack and allowing it to be posted all publicaly in marshals chat
[02:32] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): And that point he was more or less just 'Not my concern'
[02:32] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): nor 'one of my worries'
[02:32] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I will trust you when I say this,
[02:32] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): To not say anything yeah?
[02:32] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Snek keeps secrets.
[02:33] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): tomorrow, I'm getting a number of my Marshals, we're going to step into Watering hole. And we're going to kill Tazer. but Beatrix wants me to tell everyone, she wants everyone to know she allowed this.
[02:33] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I mean yeah, if you don't the Howlers will come swinging again.
[02:33] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Probably level the bar ontop of you all.
[02:33] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): with Det charges and Napalm
[02:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Which works quite well, believe it or not.
[02:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): That.. sounded terribly like flexing
[02:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): SORRY..
[02:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): What i mean is
[02:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'Yeah, thats probably a good idea to prevent a metric FUCK TON of diplomatically issues'
[02:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): diplomatic*
[02:34] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Beatrix gave us permission, so I doubt howler intervention. Attack us anyway despite the permission I was given, I will break my promise.
[02:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I more mean, 'actually ensure people knew Beatrix allowed it'
[02:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Instead of not saying it at all and then playing it off as 'We went in there and kicked those stupid bad guys butts and we are big cool people because of that!'
[02:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Because trust me when i say this.
[02:35] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Then keep this scene private. If you want us to deal with his meta gamer, give us the peace.
[02:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): The hardest part of betraying someone isn't getting their forgiveness, its getting their trust again.
[02:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and currently you have Beatrix's trust, and thats a rare thing.
[02:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): And im not saying that lightly, Pirates had to work their asses off to no end to get on the drinking buddy level they currently are
[02:36] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I only want Tazer, nothing more.
[02:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): tho clearly Beatrix is so tired of Tazer
[02:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): that she's willing to trust you.
[02:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Thats a golden opportunity if i ever saw one
[02:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and Yeah i know you just want Tazer
[02:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): fuckin, Take him
[02:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): All im saying is make those present aware that 'Beatrix allowed us to do this'
[02:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Otherwise... yeah, Issues.
[02:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Issues and complications and long lasting head aches
[02:37] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Oh we plan to get him alone in the bar
[02:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I mean no-one really goes down there i think?
[02:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Place is so neony.
[02:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): its.. weird
[02:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): its not what you'd expect of the place
[02:38] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Yeah I thought the palce was part of Unercity for ND o.o
[02:38] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): If I made the bar for Watering hole it would be more... Wastelandly
[02:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I liked the old Watering hole :/
[02:38] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I'd make it look like casino becuase that's what your place is, but raidered the fuck up
[02:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): tha'd be neat
[02:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and Yes if its private thats good,
[02:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): thats fine
[02:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): im just saying 'tell your people, their down there because Beatrix allowed it'
[02:39] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Yeah we weren't going to blast him the fuck out in the middle of a cowd
[02:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Otherwise they'll get it stuck in their head that 'we can attack Junk town now!'
[02:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Or, something.
[02:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): i dunno
[02:40] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I told Beatrix I'd tell everyone she allowed it, that's a promise I'll keep
[02:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Then shit sssshoooould
[02:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): be fiiine
[02:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I hoooope..
[02:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): just wish you actually win because if he manages to win that fight..
[02:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): i... im going to actually be pretty upset
[02:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Mostly because im the one thats going to have to come down there and uncollar you.
[02:41] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): or maybe Xeno will
[02:41] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Xeno is nice.
[02:41] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Malric too
[02:41] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I understand that Francesca was thratening, but ICly keep in mind, she's been pursuing Tazer for a while now, she's seen his raped victims, she estimates he raped one of her operators,she doesn't want Hounds caught in the crossfire, but she wants Tazer dead.
[02:42] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Yeah, she pissed, thats understandable.
[02:42] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Thats why we're just saying 'Fuck it, this shit ain't worth the trouble'
[02:42] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): But at that time? Jör was occupied dealing with what he thought was a threat to Junk-Town
[02:42] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): It's impossible for Tazer to win at this point.
[02:43] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Because again, No snipers on that mountain is allowed forwards.
[02:43] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): actually to think of it
[02:43] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Nana wasn't really a target
[02:43] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): He feels safe, he believes we'll give up and he can trot back off. He's not expecting anyone to come into Watering hole
[02:43] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): the whole plan was to Down Talia, and take her with us to interrogate.
[02:43] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): However that kinda got.. scuffed when Nana tried to run off with Talia
[02:44] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Not to point back to that situation ofcourse because you where done with it but essentially that was the plan
[02:44] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'Down the Sniper, take sniper back to the Caverns to determine what to do with em'
[02:44] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): We just wanted to leave the place because by that point we were fed up with Mayhem
[02:45] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): However in the heated kerfuckle that happened i will admit i felt like everything was falling apart and i began worrying about the
[02:45] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): -long inhale-
[02:45] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Five hundred fucking thousand different rumors people have about Marshals lately.
[02:45] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'They want to have war with us'
[02:45] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'They work fore EIA'
[02:45] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'Their the wasteland police'
[02:45] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): And yet not a single people spoke to me
[02:45] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'They just wanna fuck criminals like the old scorpions'
[02:46] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Which is..
[02:46] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): a low blow
[02:46] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): don't think there are many ex scorpions left?
[02:46] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): at all..
[02:46] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Honestly we hate EIA
[02:46] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): EIA is the reason Scorpions rebranded into Marshal ICly
[02:46] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Whaaa..?
[02:46] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Wasn't it because Drexia..
[02:46] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): e..eeeh..
[02:46] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): n..not touching that one
[02:47] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I mean it's a long story!
[02:47] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): It's a long but fantastic story
[02:47] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I.. I don't wanna know what Drexia did
[02:47] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): i honestly think im better off not knowing
[02:47] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): all i know is that it was bad
[02:47] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I don't mind telling it, it's not THAT bad honestly
[02:47] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): But for some other time
[02:47] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Lets instead talk about why EIA made you rebrand
[02:48] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Well EIA didn't make us rebrand, it's their actions made us need to rebrand
[02:48] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): There is a 1 mil bounty out on cain by the way <.<
[02:48] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): j..just saying
[02:48] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Okay right now this is all IC information. OOC stuff about what Drexia did is a different story
[02:52] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): So during the fall of Dawn, EIA gave Scorpion nukes to blow the colony fuck up. But intel leaked and the entire unvierse learned that Scorpions had nukes, it went dark. Kasstra and Kaiju (former SSS 2iC) were working hard to bring all the SSS command members involved to System Alliance justice, during this time, SSS' DROPPED like fuck and it's reputation was RUINED. That's when HAWKE bought out SSS and the BHG, merged them, and rebraned SSS into Marshal. NOW only Kasstra knows what EIA did, but it was because of those nukes that ruined SSS. Basically what I'm saying, SSS and Marshal are the same company, just renamed.
[02:52] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Keh
[02:57] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): We also don't want to be wasteland police, that's Junk's territory, we don't want to govern the wastes, we just hide our stuff away from the colony. We're just afraid to chase our targets into the wastes, alot of Marshal is against rape, any man hunt against hounds is because of rape (honestly we've had more operators attack cops than hounds)  we just want to peace keep in the UC, that's our focus. We're not gonna fine or detain people. Start trouble? We'll beat you up. Rob or mug people? We'll beat you up. Rape? God help you. Just a hound standing around? We won't touch you, hell we'll say hi. Selling illegal stuff? You're good! But we're not going to CSEC levels of policing. We just want a purpose. We don't want to rely on other groups for activity or conflict, we want to stand on our own.
[02:58] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): (we're just not afraid to chase our targets
[03:01] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Never once have I believed in good guys vs bad guys. Just Opinion A vs Opinion B. And I'm ready to have this war with EXP, but I'm not gonna fight them because they're criminals, but because they against what we stand for.
[03:11] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): snek back
[03:11] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and while that is all good and fine Kasstra thats not the way people view it lately :/
[03:12] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Because if that is the case? GREAT, but currently it isn't what your faction is representing when they go out, the constant mocking and shit-talking of hounds IC'ly in the chat, Only hound bounties being hunted, (Or so it seems) and over all how very few Marshals ever come to Junk-town.
[03:13] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Its starting to feel like Cats and Hounds 2 electric boogaloo
[03:13] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'We're your friends we're your friends, Cease fire okey? HEY MARSHALS can you keep hounds out of the mine?, W-What? w-we never did sssuch a thing? thats probably miscommunication'
[03:14] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Except we're not.. 'there' yet on the scale of stupidity.
[03:14] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I understand this, we haven't had the chance to show our results, not much happens in the UC. But I'm surprised the extent of our presence in the wastes is just our base and PDI.
[03:14] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Also it's not true, we went after bounties for for hounds as well
[03:14] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'What it seemed like'
[03:14] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): We were ALL ready and prepared to do the mailtruck job but fucking GMs weren't around
[03:15] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): And fuckin Khoba doesn't leave the damn tower, I'm actually shocked you caught him
[03:15] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Because people put one and two together. ' Constantly talking negative of hounds in Comms chat?   Hunting hound bounties whenever they come out? ' MUST HATE HOUNDS
[03:15] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Khoba is a.. odd case
[03:15] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): We ambushed him at the Demon
[03:15] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): *Ignores bounties and attacks on CSEC*
[03:15] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): a massive OOC broke out
[03:15] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): he wanted us to negotiate to leave him be
[03:15] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and not touch him at all
[03:15] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Admins got involved and FORCED him back into a fight with us
[03:16] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): after allot happened
[03:16] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): And no i don't say 'Attack C-Sec yu fukin colonist lovers'
[03:17] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Im just saying ._. more or less, there is.. allot of focus on those bounties lately huh .,. yet.. not that much on the 500K bounty on Khoba, the 1Mil bounty on Cain, the 250K on Daisy and pretty sure a few others here and there.
[03:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 50K fore a hound?
[03:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): -Instant attention-
[03:18] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): 1mil against Cain? Do people under estimate Cain and his base hugging?
[03:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Trust me..
[03:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): we're painfully
[03:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): fucking
[03:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): aware
[03:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): We've been trying to get him the second he came back on sim
[03:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and since then we've kept trying
[03:18] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): So yeah, when we can't go after cain they should understand
[03:19] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): So when we go after a bum fuck hound, it's because they're an easier target that doesn't base hug
[03:20] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): And we working desperately to get Khoba
[03:22] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): People don't see our work, our thoughts, and judge us for it
[03:22] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): And honestly?
[03:22] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): That's fine
[03:22] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): This is what the PMC community is like
[03:27] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Which is a bit gat
[03:27] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): gay i mean
[03:27] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): But then again .,. Maybe it can be fixed, who knows
[03:27] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Jörs interested in fixing it, Sergei is Interested.
[03:28] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): the possibility is there.
[03:30] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Also wanna point out something fun
[03:31] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): according to Sergei, in Taylors opinion.. Criminals need to be changed because they are 'too hard to catch' and 'sit inside their base too much'
[03:32] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): All the while C-Sec seldom leavs the station at all, rarely ever .,. and those high priority targets we 'want' to catch never leave it at all
[03:32] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Yet, fore some reason, we who walk around the sim and just stand around Junk-Town in the open or take a stroll to interact we're.. sitting too much in our ba-
[03:32] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): If your wondering where im going with this just another example of why i seem making a notion to 'Good guys VS bad guys'
[03:33] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): seen making a notion*
[03:33] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Honestly the way Marshal would want to handle 'crime fighting' in the undercity is just like an irish pub. "Starting trouble? Oi fawk awff" Punch them around and lay their knocked out body over a bench.
[03:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Do so
[03:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): its neat
[03:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): tho i have a question
[03:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): if Marshal is meant to keep C-Sec out of the undercity
[03:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): why did they join a C-Sec officer offduty down there.
[03:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): on duty or off duty, i can't recall
[03:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'Vigilante' something
[03:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): To hunt Tazer?
[03:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Yeah sure thats fine
[03:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): but still :/ 'Keeping C-Sec out of the undercity'
[03:36] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Wasn't that one of the points marshals wanted to make?
[03:37] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I made an exception because they were after Tazer and they were willing to obey my orders, and made it clear to CSEC theya re not popular in the Undercity, we don't want UC to think we're associated with CSEC
[03:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Keh
[03:37] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): At this point Tazer had done alot of damage and we sympathized
[03:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Thats fair
[03:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Again, Keh
[03:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Surprised Tazer hasn't become a 'Marauder' with all said chaos hes made
[03:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): but then again he is also supposedly meta-gaming
[03:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): so i wouldn't be surprised if the Marauder warchief just turns a blind eye to his progress in ranks
[03:40] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I'm pretty sure everyone just never noticed. Working with someone is ALOT different than working against
[03:44] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Normally I would want to force a CSEC patrol out or even order. I also forced the officers to not wear any insignias
[04:11] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Snek has
[04:11] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): food
[04:11] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): this makes me happy
[04:11] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): RIGHT
[04:11] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I see shit getting fixed
[04:12] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Its just gonna take Vex or Jör talking a bit with Marshals
[04:12] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Hell.. fore the sake of humor
[04:12] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): What would happen if Jör just... showed up in the waiting room? just.. drinking coffee and eating some of those pretty looking cookies on the table.
[04:13] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): You think that would lead to any talks?
[04:15] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I'm positive it will
[04:15] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Do you remember,
[04:15] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): the difference between Kashima and Actaeon?
[04:15] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I am.
[04:16] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): You sure people aren't going to freak out randomly finding a Warchief walking around eating.. cookies?
[04:16] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and drinking coffee?
[04:18] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Kashima is actually our bigger company, alot of them are criminals, they're more quiet about their associations for obvious reasons. Actaeon is different, they're the people that want to do some good but not be with CSEC, yes they see hounds negatively, most of it is IC though. They have their opinions but they never go against my orders.
[04:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Wish i could see more of those people tho hey
[04:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Maybe i will
[04:18] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): got a good idea fore an outfit after all
[04:19] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I'm pretty sure you'll just get more people asking either who you or what you need
[04:20] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Not sure why people will be so intent learning who i am, Ill just say 'Hi im jör, or.. 'Hi Im Lore-Keeper''
[04:20] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I'm actually surprised you miss alot of our anti-cop talk lol
[04:20] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Never see any of it :/ ree ree
[04:20] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): But honestly? The core of it all?
[04:21] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): You know what we really are?
[04:21] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): We're pretty much anarchists.
[04:21] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Alot of our anarchy talk is anti-government
[04:22] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Neato, ill just have the Howlers come about too Perhaps
[04:22] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): We express alot of disdain towards EGOV
[04:23] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Although the talk agianst hounds more so started around when Beat and I fought. It really felt like hounds were trying to push around us and expect us to submit
[04:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): -Shrug-
[04:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Never had a say in that
[04:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): not my territory.
[04:34] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): My Territory is literally just 'Keep an eye on everyone, Hand-Pick and Hand-Train elite fighters, Keep Junk-Town safe'
[04:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): thats about it.
[04:35] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): well that and 'support Marauders' but there are very few Marauders lately.
[04:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I more feel like Beatrix did this because of the aforementioned 'view' i keep pointing to on how the Hounds view Marshals
[04:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Which.. i want to change
[04:37] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Because it isn't very productive .,.
[04:38] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): At the time, hounds had positive views on Marshal. If not, hounds are good at faking it.
[04:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): At a time yeah!
[04:38] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Then that sorta slid out
[04:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and now its.. f..fallen into a barrel
[04:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): t..thats also on fire
[04:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and it probably explodes every 20 minutes.
[04:39] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Like it didn't help that Beatrix was blaming Rui's destruction of Sanctum's base on us.
[04:39] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Marshal was feeling personally attacked and we haven't felt that way since Sanctum betrayed us
[04:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Didn't know that was a thing neither did i really look into it duo to one reason
[04:39] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'Massive. Red. Flags'
[04:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): From the get go
[04:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): When we rolled a above 20 on or attempt to learn what was happening inside
[04:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and we got the most sub-par information.. imaginable.
[04:40] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): We even got told numerous times before we investigated 'We could not figure it out, we can not investigate it, we can't learn what happened'
[04:41] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Which is a GIANT red flag fore 'Bullshit alert, their breaking the rules'
[04:41] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and as such i lost interest very quickly and just left sanctum to fade from the records of history
[04:41] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Like when that whole dirty bomb went off, Marshall went out of their way to reach out to Hounds, risk radiation, offer to clean radiation, and extract salvage from Sanctum's base, all without asking for anything, then Beatrix starts blaming us for the dirty bomb and basically we're seeing another Hextail.
[04:41] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): No idea what happened there.
[04:41] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): can only shrug really.
[04:42] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Tho hey, luckily you won't be dealing with Beatrix
[04:42] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): who wants to seemingly throw her weight around
[04:42] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): You'll deal with Snek.
[04:42] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Who is.. arguably the nicest of all the Warchiefs
[04:42] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and the most reasonable.
[04:43] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Which isn't me flexing or anything.
[04:43] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): its really just the.. sad truth
[04:44] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Pretty much Vex would have long since gone to War with EXP if she had endured the Horse shit Jör has put up with lately
[04:44] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Or she'd gone catatonic
[04:44] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): again.
[04:48] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Honestly at this point we're just aiming for Neutrality, because it feels like despite hounds not understanding our intentions they still act like they do, and after all this constant rape we've been dealing (which I know you've addressed) it's gonna be hard to ease into an alliance for both of us. Which is fine, for alliances you have EXP and Corsairs. Neutrality with hounds is the best for both of us.
[04:50] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I mean ofcourse
[04:50] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): there is going to be little attacks where and there
[04:50] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): a fuck up there
[04:50] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): a fuck up here
[04:50] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): a skirmish there
[04:50] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): a lil fight down there
[04:50] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): maybe a rape in the corner over there
[04:50] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): from both sides back and forth
[04:51] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): otherwise it just gets fucking boring doesn't it?
[04:51] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): And your 'supposed' to be Neutral in the get go anywat
[04:51] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): so thats neat
[04:51] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): What i mean is just if there is some fuckery?
[04:51] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Go talk to Jör.
[04:52] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): He'll probably tell you whats up
[04:52] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and what really happened
[04:52] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): But there is one thing I want made clear. Any attacks on hounds isn't anything personal. If we attack hounds it's purely for money. (except for Tazer now). Speaking to CSEC, even they understand when we attack CSEC, it's nothing personal and they don't take it personally
[04:52] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): LIke he did when Terenia came and asked 'Did you people Kidnap a marshal'
[04:52] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and Jör told her what actually happened.
[04:52] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Just like that
[04:52] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Problem resolved
[04:52] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): its that easy
[04:52] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Really wish i could skip downwards a line in SL..
[04:53] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): But yeah
[04:53] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): that exists.
[04:54] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Ill probably have Jör come around tomorrow and see whats up, mingle about a bit, test the waters.
[04:54] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): either way it gets Kasstra and Jör on a talking level which is neat
[04:56] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): The quickest way to our hearts right now? Be openly against rape, like have stands for it. We'd kill a colonist rapist just as happily as a wastelander rapist.
[04:58] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): And Jör can probably come about and say 'Hey yeah uuh.. we don't really mind but if it gets out of control its fair game'
[04:58] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): because really.. it is.
[04:58] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): and also again keep in mind
[04:58] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): '' People ask fore us to do it, and consent fully so ''
[04:58] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Because *MNH MUH FETISH*
[04:58] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): .... Fuck i'v lost count of the amount of times people have asked to be eaten by C-Sec..
[04:59] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Its even happening to my ffs!
[04:59] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): me*
[04:59] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Eaten by Beatrix*
[04:59] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): (Getting a bit sleepy)
[05:00] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Hell there was even a time people would ask if we could rape them
[05:00] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): only to then turn around and IC'ly call them a rapist and try to use it as grounds to kill their char.
[05:00] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Which was... r..really.. really ...
[05:01] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I don't know which word to use
[05:01] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): We're heavily against it, like don't even show a hint of support
[05:01] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Because turns out
[05:02] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I have people that have been exposed to rape in RL
[05:02] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): :c
[05:02] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): So I don't want them to think their intended outlet from RP is still being invaded by rape
[05:04] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): And dealing with rape has gotten so bad in RoE, some of us want to ban rape (IE keep it in IMs) from the sim. We're taking it slow. I'm collecting statements. But I want you to read what this person said  Consider their perspective as well. https://pastebin.com/3LCe1NQs
[05:05] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): UUuh...
[05:05] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Thats grim
[05:05] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): I more or less just view it like this
[05:05] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): 'Do as you want, if you do it and it becomes a problem? stop doing it'
[05:05] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): We shouldn't start to restrict fetishes.
[05:05] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): HOWEVER..
[05:06] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): this shit is getting excessive, Yes.
[05:06] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Thus its time to do something about it.
[05:06] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): We kinda hoped preventing Mongrels from taking dregs would cool it down tho hey that was clearly not the case.
[05:07] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I agree with you, fetishes are fetishes, what ever, I'm guilty of it as well.
[05:07] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): But with the people I'm around that have a strong disposition against it?
[05:07] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I feel I ahve to support them.
[05:08] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): Ditto
[05:08] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): So we'll try again
[05:08] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): to tone it down even more
[05:08] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): just know i can't exactly go up to mongrels and say
[05:08] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): I can't just tell them 'get over it' or 'it's not that big of a deal it's fantasy' because of what they went through, I just need to to let them to let them have this
[05:08] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): '' Don't do bad things ok? ''
[05:08] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): because their kinda excepted to all be little shitters running around causing chaos
[05:09] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): In Marshal perspective, we see that all rapists are coming from hounds, hound leadership just pretends it's not an issue. Yes they don't support it, but they're not taking action to stop it. In Marshal, we go out of way to stop rape.
[05:10] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): fair
[05:10] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): again, currently they've taken action tho
[05:10] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): tho clearly a third one is needed
[05:10] Pillowsalt (tyronwb): since leaving it in their hands isn't enough
[05:20] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): Also if you put out bounties on orders or csecs that aren't super high profile targets like Cain n'stuff, just mooks, we'd go after them.
[05:24] Blackjack (garinovitch.raviprakash): When criminals put up bounties it's always "BRING US THE HIGH COMMAND OFFICER OF COLSEC" but then Col-sec bounties are just "yeh this guy's been huggin us, pls get him for us."