[18:17]	Yewnyx	http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/09/daily-chart-8
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[18:33]	Fulvus	How does one calculate "racial resentment"? It says its based on 4 survery questions, what those questions are is very relevant.
[18:35]	Fulvus	I'm not saying Trump supporters aren't likely more racist than Hillary supporters, because they most likely are, but "racial resentment" is such a stupid and needlessly accusatory term when you consider that what that entails is left purposefully vague.
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[18:39]	Yewnyx	i mean
[18:40]	Yewnyx	it's not that stupid or needless
[18:41]	Yewnyx	http://www.electionstudies.org/studypages/2010_2012EGSS/2010_2012EGSS.htm
[18:41]	Yewnyx	also, do some basic research bro
[18:42]	Yewnyx	https://today.yougov.com/news/2012/01/23/racial-attitudes-remain-powerful-predictor-obama-v/
[18:42]	Yewnyx	it's not a term they just made up
[18:44]	Fulvus	Do you know what the questions are? If not, I think that article being obvious clickbait where the actual questions are purpsefully obfuscated does mean that at the very least I'm not putting any stock into what it says, because that would make me a fool.
[18:45]	Fulvus	Again, they don't define what that term MEANS. Do they tie in opposition to immigration? Affirmitive action? I need to see a firm explanation fo waht it entails, or else it's buzzword-tier and not worth caring about.
[18:45]	Yewnyx	man
[18:45]	Yewnyx	at some point
[18:45]	Yewnyx	i trust academia
[18:46]	Elara	to be honest, Yew, I broadly agree with you, but just saying "I trust academia" does strongly imply where you fall politically
[18:47]	Fulvus	Well, you shouldn't. All people have agendas, and if you go out of your way to read stuff that confirms your own biases (EVERYONE does that.) it's important to actually think critically about what exactly the basis for what you're reading is, and whethe ror not it's sound.
[18:47]	Yewnyx	you're joking but i am legit disgusted with this know-nothing anti-intellectual undercurrent that at least runs through america
[18:47]	Elara	oh, we've got it here too
[18:47]	Fulvus	"I have faith that they're right, and didn't look into it." is not a position I'm going to respect.
[18:48]	Yewnyx	me neither
[18:48]	Elara	the somewhat memorable "I think we've all heard enough from experts"
[18:48]	Yewnyx	because that's not what i said
[18:49]	Elara	there's a big difference between "there's a whole body of research that has developed and refined this set of concepts and tools, I'm just not an expert in them" and "I have blind trust in the high priests of academia"
[18:49]	Yewnyx	trust isn't the same as faith, and i literally preceded that with looking into it
[18:49]	Yewnyx	i said "at some point"
[18:49]	Yewnyx	i.e. I don't suddenly say "I don't understand this therefore it's bullshit"
[18:50]	Fulvus	I'll acknowledge that on some level I just assume everythign I hear is WRONG until proven otherwise, and I can get stubborn about it, but I still consider that a better point of view than the flipside. On that note, I'm not putting stock into that graph until I hear what Racial Resentment actually means.
[18:51]	Yewnyx	is it so hard to read the survey i linked
[18:51]	Yewnyx	jesus
[18:51]	Fulvus	I believe that Trump's supporters are more racist than Hillary's, but that doesn't mean I like the tone of that chart if the meanings are not spelled out in plain terms. It's the same deal as when people report that women make 78% of the money men do even when it's bogus.
[18:52]	Yewnyx	okay let's try this again
[18:52]	Yewnyx	click http://www.electionstudies.org/studypages/2010_2012EGSS/2010_2012EGSS.htm
[18:52]	Yewnyx	open it in your browser
[18:52]	Elara	uh, the pay gap isn't bogus. the specific figure of 78% is debatable, but the gap is real
[18:52]	Yewnyx	click any of the four quetionnaire PDFs linked
[18:53]	Yewnyx	ctrl-f "racial resentment"
[18:54]	Yewnyx	"I have faith that they're wrong, and didn't look into it." is not a position I'm going to respect.
[18:54]	Yewnyx	okay that was a bit flamey
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[18:55]	Yewnyx	i'm getting a bit heated
[18:55]	Fulvus	You sent me hundreds of pages of PDF's to sort through, it's kinda draconian to expect me to take a break for over 30 minutes to check through it all before I finish my thought.
[18:55]	Fulvus	Sorry.